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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Apr 16, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work.

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
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Idiot

Goat-plagiarist.

HTH,
R

Dave

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On Apr 16, 9:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work.

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
R

Moron.

g.

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On Apr 18, 9:57*am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work..

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

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Idiot

Goat-plagiarist.

HTH,
R


Imbecile.

g.

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On Apr 18, 9:11*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...

1. I am not wealthy. I am not a farmer; I am a farm-groupie.

does this entail hanging around farmers and trying to get their attentions?

Sustaining and growing

the productivity and income flows from an ag or forest based "family
fortune" is not a walk in the park. Without some love for the land,
respect for the natural processes and people who make it happen, and a
willingness to work, a family cannot hold onto these kinds of assets

over the generations.

I think you're somewhat overdramatizing here, at least in my experience.

Well, yeah.....but there's also generalizing, romanticizing,
aggrandizing, self-congratulating.

No argument with the rest of your premise, however.

Yep. That's all true....sometimes.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

giles.
who has known some farmers....and found them to be generally much like
folks.

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On Apr 18, 7:11*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...

1. I am not wealthy. I am not a farmer; I am a farm-groupie.

does this entail hanging around farmers and trying to get their attentions?

Sustaining and growing

the productivity and income flows from an ag or forest based "family
fortune" is not a walk in the park. Without some love for the land,
respect for the natural processes and people who make it happen, and a
willingness to work, a family cannot hold onto these kinds of assets

over the generations.

I think you're somewhat over-dramatizing here, at least in my experience.
No argument with the rest of your premise, however.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

No. But it means things like wasting time reading thru a few hundred
used tractor ads. Thinking you need to know how to change the blades
on a swather. Feeding if someone is coming back late. Its about having
a laugh at yourself and still doing stuff you want to do during the
only life each of us are given. Its Geezer Power.

Which part of that land loving- understanding- work stuff, that I
stated is in YHO most over dramatized? What's your opinion on the same
subject?

Dave
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:

On Apr 18, 9:57*am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work.

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Idiot

Goat-plagiarist.

HTH,
R


Imbecile.

g.

Unimaginative.

R

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On Apr 18, 7:57*am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work..

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Idiot

Goat-plagiarist.

HTH,
R





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Rote non-learner.

Dave

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On Apr 18, 6:28*pm, Giles wrote:
On Apr 18, 9:11*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:





"DaveS" wrote in message

...

1. I am not wealthy. I am not a farmer; I am a farm-groupie.

does this entail hanging around farmers and trying to get their attentions?

Sustaining and growing

the productivity and income flows from an ag or forest based "family
fortune" is not a walk in the park. Without some love for the land,
respect for the natural processes and people who make it happen, and a
willingness to work, a family cannot hold onto these kinds of assets

over the generations.

I think you're somewhat overdramatizing here, at least in my experience..

Well, yeah.....but there's also generalizing, romanticizing,
aggrandizing, self-congratulating.

No argument with the rest of your premise, however.

Yep. *That's all true....sometimes.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

giles.
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I am not so sure. I think awareness of the natural world is pretty low
in much of the USA pop. Like that old First Nations song said, "
Tomorrow the Sun could rise in the West and many would not notice." Or
something like that. Here, even in the PNW folk disconnect - and for
months a year go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. In the
consulting biz, especially on-the-road, I was often still working at
10pm, What a waste. Spring was a blink, a minute later it was October
time for a crammed "summer" break. Weather had almost no impact except
for the occasional flight delay, "Oh, is it snowing?" Neat. You going
to eat those peanuts?" (Another 4 hours in the air, late taxi, catch
the last boat, home by when?)

From what I can see farmers could not do what they do without a high
sensitivity to the weather, at a level of detail that normal "folk"
just do not require. Big diffs I think.

Dave
Who had a 12 year old girl farm kid explain to me that the reason they
were baling at 2am nite before was because the moisture level of those
little leaves on the cut alfalfa was just right so they would not
flake off and therefore reduce the protein assay. Too moist or a
little rain before the bales get picked up (700 lb per) and they can
combust. So I think farm kids may be tons different too. Did you get
my mailing address?

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On Apr 18, 11:27*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Apr 18, 9:57*am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:50*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Just speaking in generalities, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Me too. Look I do know the significance of diffs between what you
start with. Ive been involuntarily hungry as a kid and half my friends
were dead before 25, and Ive slept in a ditch hitching across this
great country of ours. My only points are that from what I can see
managing a significant chunk of land takes some smarts and is real
work, AND that the day to day decisions made by such managers are of
major environmental import, and when it is your own land and you want
intergenerational sustainability, these decisions tend toward
conservation. If that's what RD does, it is hard and challenging work.

Dave

Well, I've never slept in a ditch while hitchhiking...or for any other reason.
And FWIW, I'm much more than a handsome stud on a tractor - geez, don't hate me
because I'm beautiful...

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Idiot

Goat-plagiarist.

HTH,
R

Imbecile.
g.

Unimaginative.

R

Moron.

g.

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On Apr 18, 9:03*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:11*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


I think you're somewhat over-dramatizing here, at least in my experience.
No argument with the rest of your premise, however.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

No. But it means things like wasting time reading thru a few hundred
used tractor ads. Thinking you need to know how to change the blades
on a swather. Feeding if someone is coming back late. Its about having
a laugh at yourself and still doing stuff you want to do during the
only life each of us are given. Its Geezer Power.

Sounds like the sort of stuff folks do.

Which part of that land loving- understanding- work stuff, that I
stated is in YHO most over dramatized?

I'll give that a shot.

Land loving: yeah, I'd love to have a couple of thousand acres valued
at a few thousand dollars per. Until the developers move in and it
goes at a couple of hundred thousand per.

Understanding: no group in the history of the planet has destroyed
more land than farmers.....not even grazers. Of course, that's
ancient history, right? Uh uh. Going on to this day. Well, yeah, in
biafrastan or some such godforsaken ********, right? You should'a
been here in southeast Curdistan two weeks ago after a few
unseasonably warm days with heavy winds out of the south. Millions of
tons of topsoil put on a rather spectacular show as it flew by. And
this isn't a particularly benighted or dry part of this enlightened
country.

Work: been there. Good stuff if it's something you like. Otherwise
it kinda sucks large.

What's your opinion on the same
subject?

I think life as we know it would end pretty quickly without the guys
who do oil changes.

Dave
This is NOT a test.

It's the real thing.....in the back of your mind....what you're hoping
to find.....

This is NOT a test

Nevertheless, how are we doing?

This is NOT a test

Have you noticed that the people with whom you share a vocation, an
avocation, and/or genes tend to be preternaturally noble?

Coincidence is the great fundamental organizing principle of the
universe.....ainna?

giles