bearsbuddy wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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i don't like studded shoes in nc streams. too much dry rock face jumping,
climbing, etc...studs make it more difficult. stick with felts.
jeff


You've probably forgotten, but the guy who extended his hand to you,
climbin' up and over many of them big 'ol rocks on the stretch of Uppers to
the Falls, was wearin' studded boots!

Mark



i do recall...but you also carried enough weight in your backpack to
cause those boots to sink into the rockface. i noted your skidding on
the rock a couple of times too. the worst fall i've ever had, one which
broke a bone in my elbow, was on our trip on upper that day we tried to
reach the falls...i was on a relatively dry, sloping rockface and i was
wearing my studded chotas. i suspect i'm as agile as chuck, but not as
nimble or strong as you, hence my recommendation.

jeff

"Jeff Miller" wrote

So I'd probably be OK with a handful of para Adams and Royal Wulffs?
In my short time ff'ing for trout, those have been my most productive
flies.

for the most part, and for the best fishing, the hiking will be in and
along the stream...not on a trail beside the stream... those flies will
work well, but take some ehc also.

by early june, a nymph pattern that imitates stoneflies, and big ones at
that, is much more productive than anything on top, imho. best i have ever
done on hazel after mid may was by fishing a #12 prince with one split shot.
in terms of dries, big yellow humpies.



wet wade...but, it's always nice to have waders along when you want to
stay dry or bumpass down a ridge bank.


So it would be worth my while to make room for them in my luggage?


i'd take them along just in case. i prefer wet wading. feels freer,
cleaner, simpler. but, when you want to be dry, well, the waders are nice
to have.

perfect time for waist high breathables.



where is the place located?



snowbird and buffalo are on the south side of lake santeetlah and
robbinsville...about a 15-20 minute drive to robbinsville, 40-45 minutes
to bryson city, which is northwest of robbinsville and on the east edge of
fontana lake. depending on the streams you intend to focus on, your
location will have some importance as far as convenience and travel time.
stecoah is midway between robbinsville and bryson city, and the home of
tootie's. i'll let wayno introduce the program on tootie's, though it's a
bit more cosmopolitan nowadays than his stories will represent. you'll
have to drive 30 minutes for most streams if you stay in stecoah.

stecoah is the most centrally located site, and if you are going to
spend most of the time on the fontana drainage, the best idea. close to
tooties for breakfast and bryson city for dinner. otoh, if you choose to
favor the snowbird/west buffalo waters, robbinsville is to be preferred.
it's probably more like 45-50 mins from stecoah to streamside at the
"junction" on big snowbird.

yfitons
wayno

bearsbuddy wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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i don't like studded shoes in nc streams. too much dry rock face jumping,
climbing, etc...studs make it more difficult. stick with felts.
jeff


You've probably forgotten, but the guy who extended his hand to you,
climbin' up and over many of them big 'ol rocks on the stretch of Uppers to
the Falls, was wearin' studded boots!

Mark


btw... might be up your way in mid-march...wanna try the greentown to
the falls thing again?

jeff

Wayne Harrison wrote:



by early june, a nymph pattern that imitates stoneflies, and big ones at
that, is much more productive than anything on top, imho. best i have ever
done on hazel after mid may was by fishing a #12 prince with one split shot.
in terms of dries, big yellow humpies.

well fuk wayno, if we're gonna send the boy over to the darkside,
there's the rapala and ultra-light spinnin rig too! g



it's probably more like 45-50 mins from stecoah to streamside at the
"junction" on big snowbird.


i guess i'm remembering pj driving times? :)

btw, he indicated last night his interest in going to penns again. good
work!! i'm gonna try to find my way to east licking creek this
year...it's supposed to be a freestoner in a state park or forest area
not too far from penns. might be fun.

jeff

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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btw... might be up your way in mid-march...wanna try the greentown to the
falls thing again?

jeff

Not only so I want to try, but I hope we are able to fish the end
stretch--last two miles of
gi-normous pools--as well! Bring your rock huggers, as we may be slip
slidin' away!

I look forward to the experience again. Please don't back out, as I can't
get anyone else to fish with me. Wally, said something about fishin' in the
morn, but I forgot that there is a football game tomorrow.

Mark

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:29:53 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:

But still the best place for fatback and grits for breakfast on that side of
the hill

They do make a good breakfast, but their wine list is equestrian at best.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com/ - photo galleries
http://www.chocphoto.com/roff

Charlie Choc wrote of Tootie's:

They do make a good breakfast, but their wine list is equestrian at best.

Best breakfast I ever ate in Graham County, I ate at Tootie's.
Of course, if I had been served the same breakfast in Urbana
I'd have called the Health Department and a trial lawyer, in
that order. ;-)

First breakfast I had there the waitress put the check on the
table and PJ picked it up, so I threw down a tip. Apparently
picking up the check has a different meaning in North Cackalacky
than it does in the civilized world because when I got outside
and thanked him for breakfast PJ looked at me funny and said I
didn't buy *your* breakfast. Oops. Went back inside did the math
and paid while Wayno snatched the tip off the table, explaining
that the waitress would most surely misinterpret such a large
tip as something untoward.

Any more I spend my meal money in Swain County.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:53:40 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

if I had been served the same breakfast in Urbana
I'd have called the Health Department and a trial lawyer, in
that order. ;-)

Doesn't sound like Churbana is much of a place to eat.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com/ - photo galleries
http://www.chocphoto.com/roff

Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
if I had been served the same breakfast in Urbana
I'd have called the Health Department and a trial lawyer, in
that order. ;-)

Doesn't sound like Churbana is much of a place to eat.

Sadly, that is true. We have a couple of places that will do
in a pinch, but for a town of 100,000 Champaign-Urbana really
sucks for good restaurants. Thank god Chicago is just up the
road.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Jeff Miller wrote:
JR wrote:
Wayne Knight wrote:
Conan the Librarian wrote:
I've been thinking about just
.....Chotas with felt and removeable studs.
great boots, you will be happy with them
......... It appears that a good
part of the surface area of the sole is taken up by those little
plastic(?) cleat bases:
That can't be good.

no problems...in nc or montana or wisconsin or michigan anyway.

OK then. Even without checking a geology text for the
representativeness of the NC/MT/WI/MI (and SJ, NM) rocks, I guess I'm
sold.....

JR (sorry about semi-hijacking your thread, Chuck)