On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:14:24 -0500, "Joe Haubenreich" joe at
secretweaponlures.com wrote:

I know that Rodney has an abrasive side to him. Several of us here do, too.
And I know that some of the people ridiculing Rodney in this string has been
personally offended in the past and so have a personal axe to grind with
him. Others just express distaste for his attitude. Well, we have a right to
express opinions related to bass fishing, bass tackle, boats, etc. on this
group, and I guess we can stretch it to opinions about bass tackle
manufacturers.... but by now the point has been made repeatedly. The
repetitious Rodney-bashing going on here is getting tiresome.

It appears to me that Rodney has been offering some reasonable, thoughtful,
coherent responses here, especially lately. What do you say we cut him some
slack?

There aren't many fishing tackle manufacturers on this group. Lots of us
hold firm opinions about bass promoters, manufacturers, and pros. From what
I've leaned over the past four or five years, it's clear to me that some of
those opinions are unfounded. On the other hand, some of the things Rodney
has said have been right on target. If you're interested in gaining insights
into the innovation, design, and manufacturing side of the industry, you
might want to pay attention to what Rodney has of value to share and
overlook the traits that you find personally distasteful.

Joe...although I'm sure you have the right intentions with your
post...I'm equally positive that you're sending out the wrong message.
(bc, IMO, you are reinforcing his bad conduct...while admonishing guys
who hae been snake-bit by this guy).

Like you, I bit my tongue and ignored this snake when he first
posted on the group. However, I made a mistake. I shouldn't have as
its these kinds of snakes that are hurting not only the fishing
industry but also the future of fishing. We're not talking about
"grumpy old men" abrasiveness here...we're talking about a snake who
has viciously attacked each and every person on this usergroup and
some very individually...all while spamming this group with his
snakeoil products.

Yes, he might have something useful to add to this group (as I've
heard that some peeps out west eat snakes and find em' mighty tasty).
However, the problem is that he has repeatedly proven that he's not
worth what might be waiting behind inside his curtain #3.

If this was a moderated group...Rodney would've been booted a
long time ago for his conduct. (and if he said to us in person what
he's said online...I suspect that he'd probably end up buried in some
river swampland somewhere). But because this is an unmoderated
group...Rodney continues to spam us with his crap and insult us every
single chance he gets...for the most part...without recourse...except
for a few brave souls who are doing the jobs we also should be doing.

Frankly, we should apologize to the rest of the community here
for not getting involved earlier to help gut this snake. And we
should be thankful to those guys who had the courage to finally speak
up and just telll it like it is regarding him. And we should let
anyone "that this guy mentions" (ie. Bill Dance, etc.) who we run
across know about his conduct. Q: "Hey, you wouldn't happen to know a
guy name Rodney Long?" A: "Ehhhh...yea...the snakeoil bungee cord
guy...:"

Or we can all start by sending an email to Bill Dance at
and tell ol' Bill that Rodney is using his
name right and left regarding these "snakeoil" products and then send
him a sample "Rodney" post. I'd send a similar one to the guys at Mojo
Lures too. You can see their contact info at:
http://www.mojolures.com/comp_pro.php 100-1 these guys don't want to
have nothing to do with someone who spams fishermen and treats
fishermen like Rodney does. Why? Because they know that he's poison
for whatever they are selling! This future of fishing demands that
we don't sit on our asses and let snakeoil salesman ruin the sport for
us...

Lastly, I have no ill will toward Rodney at all. When I first
saw his posts on the group, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and
figured he was just a sick, crazy old man (ya know the kind). If
there is something wrong with him that causes him to be so hateful to
this group and to whoever else he communicates with...I sincerely hope
he finds the answer to that problem. In the meantime, the best thing
Rodney could do for his products or any other product...is to not say
a freaking word about em'...

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Favorite Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosiertradingpost.com/FishingTackle
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

In all due respect Dwayne... look at the subject of this thread, it was
started by Warren out of the blue. Nothing or noone here asked him to share
this information, so what was his intent?

I agree with everything else that you've said, but there is always the
Kill-File option, and to the best of my knowledge... most newsreaders have
it.

I know for a fact that the good guys at Mojo Lures would be happy to hear
about this, or at least they sure acted like it the last time I e-mail them.
I was actually promised that Mr. Long would "never use his mouth, or fingers
again to discredit [their] company again." I'm sure that Bill Dance would be
glad to know this is going on too. Why don't you take this to them?


"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
...


Joe...although I'm sure you have the right intentions with your
post...I'm equally positive that you're sending out the wrong message.
(bc, IMO, you are reinforcing his bad conduct...while admonishing guys
who hae been snake-bit by this guy).

Like you, I bit my tongue and ignored this snake when he first
posted on the group. However, I made a mistake. I shouldn't have as
its these kinds of snakes that are hurting not only the fishing
industry but also the future of fishing. We're not talking about
"grumpy old men" abrasiveness here...we're talking about a snake who
has viciously attacked each and every person on this usergroup and
some very individually...all while spamming this group with his
snakeoil products.

Yes, he might have something useful to add to this group (as I've
heard that some peeps out west eat snakes and find em' mighty tasty).
However, the problem is that he has repeatedly proven that he's not
worth what might be waiting behind inside his curtain #3.

If this was a moderated group...Rodney would've been booted a
long time ago for his conduct. (and if he said to us in person what
he's said online...I suspect that he'd probably end up buried in some
river swampland somewhere). But because this is an unmoderated
group...Rodney continues to spam us with his crap and insult us every
single chance he gets...for the most part...without recourse...except
for a few brave souls who are doing the jobs we also should be doing.

Frankly, we should apologize to the rest of the community here
for not getting involved earlier to help gut this snake. And we
should be thankful to those guys who had the courage to finally speak
up and just telll it like it is regarding him. And we should let
anyone "that this guy mentions" (ie. Bill Dance, etc.) who we run
across know about his conduct. Q: "Hey, you wouldn't happen to know a
guy name Rodney Long?" A: "Ehhhh...yea...the snakeoil bungee cord
guy...:"

Or we can all start by sending an email to Bill Dance at
and tell ol' Bill that Rodney is using his
name right and left regarding these "snakeoil" products and then send
him a sample "Rodney" post. I'd send a similar one to the guys at Mojo
Lures too. You can see their contact info at:
http://www.mojolures.com/comp_pro.php 100-1 these guys don't want to
have nothing to do with someone who spams fishermen and treats
fishermen like Rodney does. Why? Because they know that he's poison
for whatever they are selling! This future of fishing demands that
we don't sit on our asses and let snakeoil salesman ruin the sport for
us...

Lastly, I have no ill will toward Rodney at all. When I first
saw his posts on the group, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and
figured he was just a sick, crazy old man (ya know the kind). If
there is something wrong with him that causes him to be so hateful to
this group and to whoever else he communicates with...I sincerely hope
he finds the answer to that problem. In the meantime, the best thing
Rodney could do for his products or any other product...is to not say
a freaking word about em'...

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Favorite Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosiertradingpost.com/FishingTackle
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

"gobassn" wrote in message
...
No way. You've gotta fish my water, for my bass. In my boat. You've
never
been beaten, right?

Warren

I think he should take you up on this Warren. I mean, afterall, he has
invented a handful of gadgets that should revolutionize all types of fishing
so surely he can afford it by now...with all the pros and CEOs he has wowed,
cross-country travel should be the least of his operating expenses this
year. I mean with the vanity and name dropping coming from him, here at ROFB
alone, I am surprised he is still even arguing here when he should be
getting a head shot done for this year's Forbes list...

I simply can't wait to see how the fishing annals hold up his inventions,
and how they stack up to the Bream Buster (cane pole replacement) and the
Pocket Fisherman (tote sack sized be-all replacement for all rods and
reels).... ;-p

--
http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:
So you're declining my challenge, correct?

Warren

No way

You can fly or drive down here anytime , and I will give you 4 hours of
fishing, or should I say instructions,, it will be very worth your time
as
you will start winning a lot more tournaments


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
David Norton wrote:
It amazes me that you guys keep feeding this guy! I sit here day after
day
convinced Rodney could not sell sno-cones in hell. There is an old
saying,
" It is better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove
all
doubt" Another is " If the shoe fits wear it!"


In other words someone could blast your day job and how you do it on
this news group and you would never respond or defend yourself ?

Yes Rodney, but how many people do you know that sit around and get all
worked up because people don't buy the propoganda about how *good* they are
at their day job? Especially when it is them telling everyone how good at
their day job they are? (In other words, you're going to need a better
metaphor, better grammar and spell checkers too) So keep on bragging about
how good you are at your "day job" and you will likely continue to catch
flack over it.

It's not your stuff most have a problem with as best I can tell, it is your
relative (more like absolute) lack of anything resembling humility. Name and
title dropping are not attractive, and most people who do it are, for the
most part, considered quite vain and are usually taken with grain of salt at
best. This is the bed you have made for yourself here, don't blame Warren or
anyone else for it...I mean there is a twist on the old adage that goes
like: Those who can, do. Those who can't, brag about how good they are...

Self confidence is one thing, a superiority complex is quite another.


I spend hundreds of hours working and testing my tackle, when some one
tells the "world" that it's all B.S. without even testing it,, yes I get
mad as hell. I could care less what he personally thinks about my stuff,
but acting as some kind of expert, and then bashing it

At one point on this group I offered "free" stuff
Warren came on here and told everyone that sent for it was a fool.

What the hell was he "afraid" of ? He was afraid that he would loose his
credibility.

I'm not here trying to sell anything, I'm here trying to inform people
of new ways to fish, more productive ways, ways that no one on here
knows how to do, and that is the big killer for Warren, he can't figure
out how my stuff works, and if he has not used it it and approves it,
then no one on the board should use it.

I could easily explain "How" I use these rigs to catch fish, but way
back when I was trying to do that, I was called a spammer. I was
forbidden by the elite few here from discussing catching fish with them,
as each time I did I was spamming. I have found out it is "who" you are,
not what your pushing, that is important to this group.

It's OK to flame anyone here, but don't let them defend themselves
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Dwayne E. Cooper wrote:
snip
Frankly, we should apologize to the rest of the community here
for not getting involved earlier to help gut this snake.
snip
Lastly, I have no ill will toward Rodney at all.

Man, I'd sure hate to hear what you have to say about
someone you *do* have ill will towards.

--
Ken Fortenberry

With respect Joe, what are you trying to say? If BS was a tin whistle,
that's a whole brass band. Marketing is OK on this group now? That' all his
sanctimonious post are!
--
S

SimRacer writes:

snip ...surely he can afford it by now...cross-country travel should
be the least of his operating expenses...

Rodney,

Why don't you put a pencil to airfare from Rooster-Poot, Arkansas (or
wherever you're from) to Rhinelander, WI.

Late August if I remember correctly.

Touch down in Chicago or Milwaukee and I can drive the rest of the way
or, if this is too friendly and freaky for ya, airfare to either and you
pick up (the cost of) a rental car.

The ball's in your court.

Shawn

Charles B. Summers wrote:
In all due respect Dwayne... look at the subject of this thread, it was
started by Warren out of the blue. Nothing or noone here asked him to share
this information, so what was his intent?

I agree with everything else that you've said, but there is always the
Kill-File option, and to the best of my knowledge... most newsreaders have
it.

I know for a fact that the good guys at Mojo Lures would be happy to hear
about this, or at least they sure acted like it the last time I e-mail them.
I was actually promised that Mr. Long would "never use his mouth, or fingers
again to discredit [their] company again." I'm sure that Bill Dance would be
glad to know this is going on too. Why don't you take this to them?


What have I said to discredit Bill,, let's see
Bill loves the Boomerang, that he told Hank Parker I taught him how to
fish (he just thought he knew how until he used the Boomerang) these
were his words, sure some of it was lounge and cheek, but he was acting
serious. That he has done shows using it, that he is quoted all over the
place singing it's praises. He even has his picture on the package, All
of this is true so what else have I said that discredited him

What have I said about Mojo? they make and sell the products I invent.

That their owner thinks the wiggle rig is the greatest thing he has ever
used fishing, or ever seen used

Ok what's the beef

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Dwayne E. Cooper wrote:

Or we can all start by sending an email to Bill Dance at
and tell ol' Bill that Rodney is using his
name right and left regarding these "snakeoil" products

Dwayne, Bill's picture was on the Boomerang rig, go to my web site and
you will see Bill all over it, all with his permission of course, you
can even see him fishing it, so "your" calling Bill a snake oil salesman ?


and then send
him a sample "Rodney" post. I'd send a similar one to the guys at Mojo
Lures too. You can see their contact info at:
http://www.mojolures.com/comp_pro.php 100-1 these guys don't want to
have nothing to do with someone who spams fishermen and treats
fishermen like Rodney does.

I'm not, have not, spamed according the rules set forth of new groups,
You need to look up those rules


Dwain when I am attacked I used to respond with equal force, but never
more than equal, Yes Dwain, you and another, sent them "part" of a
thread, trying to cost me my contracts, I sent it "all" to them, once my
post were "not" taken out of context, Mojo understood my responses


Mojo sells three of my products, all the ones you call snake oil, so now
your calling Mojo, snake oil salesmen ?

Well that's OK I guess, they know they're not, they stand behind what
they sell, including my inventions

That's why you never see major manufacturers on this news, or any other
news group.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

This is absolutely rediculous....you have a beef with Rodney, I have no
problem with that, but to get other people involved, like writing to
manufacturers and "pros", about what is posted here is pure CRAP! Get
over it!

JK