"MichaelM" wrote in message
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Willi is right; you can't do this with a #5 rod/line. I moved up from a
#3
8footer with 444 DT to a 8'3" #4 very recently. I continued to use my 7x
(2.2lb b.s.) tippet with the slightly heavier rod and line combo, and
broke
off when striking into first decent fish. This was at a fish 60 feet
away,
and very fresh in my memory as it was just 2 days ago; could have been
fish
of the season and all that... :-). With my old #3 outfit, the striking
action would probably have not snapped the leader. Ah well, c'est la vie
as
they say over there..


Not all rods are created equal, and if your new rod is *faster* than the
three weight, I would hazard a guess that it was not being a four weight
that caused it.

Willi wrote:

I'll do it, but I'm waiting for RW to send me his photos.

I can't email them because of my goddamn ISP, which sucks the donkey's
big you-know-what. I suppose I could snailmail a CD.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Willi wrote:

Your experiment isn't worth a **** because it doesn't reflect real life
conditions.

When's the last time you caught a big fish that applied steady pressure?

Are you claiming it's impossible to land a large trout on 6x or 7x? I
know a few people that haunt Silver Creek who would have a good laugh at
that.

If you're so confident about the strength of 6X, you use it when we go
to Alaska and I'll use the 2X. We'll both use a 5 weight rod and we'll
see how the landing goes.

I sincerely doubt that we'll run into conditions in Alaska that require
6x. I might not even bring my 5 weight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw I just did an experiment. I tied on 6x tippet (can't find any 7x
rw at the moment) and tried to break it with my 5wt rod (a Sage
rw SP). This is Rio Powerflex tippet rated at 3.4lb test. I couldn't
rw break it by putting a bend in the rod about as far as I dared to
rw go. That says to me that I can put as much steady pressure on a
rw fish with 6x as I can with anything else.

Try the same thing, but keep the angle of the rod smaller (in a
fishing situation, keep the tip lower). This is the (right) way to put
more pressure on a big fish.

See also Pictures 3 and 4 in

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ldy/ldy042505.html

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

GaryM wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in
:


1/4" sisal, and *that* nearly broke. I was told I should have been
using 6-7X on the water I was fishing, but I didn't and probably
missed the big fish because of it.

I am surprise George, Stan and yourself have been quiet in this thread
knowing what you know of th4e Y-Pool .... the only reason I own 8x.

I don't own 8X. Even using 7X is a stretch for me.
--
TL,
Tim
(Then again, I don't catch many fish at the Y-pool)
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:42:03 -0600, Willi wrote:

rw wrote:

I just did an experiment. I tied on 6x tippet (can't find any 7x at the
moment) and tried to break it with my 5wt rod (a Sage SP). This is Rio
Powerflex tippet rated at 3.4lb test.

I couldn't break it by putting a bend in the rod about as far as I dared
to go.

That says to me that I can put as much steady pressure on a fish
with 6x as I can with anything else.

And this says to me that you don't know as much about science and math
and bull**** as I thought you did...

Now it's true that 6x or 7x will break more easily if it's subjected to
shocks, like if you strike too hard, or if the fish jumps and you don't
lower the rod, or if you grab the tippet while landing it, or if it gets
hung up on something, or if you let the line and rod straighten out when
the fish makes a run. Also, the knots have to be tied very well and the
material has to be free of nicks and abrasions. It does require more
skill (or luck) to hook and play and land a large fish on light tippet,
but when it comes to steady pressure on the fish it makes no difference
at all.


Your experiment isn't worth a **** because it doesn't reflect real life
conditions.

Actually, the "experiment" is valid, it simply doesn't show what Steve
wants it to, thinks it does, or claims it does, and it certainly says
nothing whatsoever about thisX tippet versus thatX tippet. Heck,
given the third paragraph, above, I'm not sure he isn't just trolling...
I figured the phrase "or if you merely look at it wrong..." was coming
at any moment...

TC,
R

MichaelM wrote:
Maybe the heavier line itself has something to do with it too?

IMO, It shouldn't

"rw" wrote in message
m...
MichaelM wrote:

Willi is right; you can't do this with a #5 rod/line. I moved up from a
#3
8footer with 444 DT to a 8'3" #4 very recently. I continued to use my 7x
(2.2lb b.s.) tippet with the slightly heavier rod and line combo, and
broke
off when striking into first decent fish.

Breaking off on the strike is a common mistake with light tippet. That
was your fault. Once you have the fish hooked, though, you have a decent
chance of landing it.


Hi RW, I know it was my fault, and I'm still annoyed with myself about it.
The point I was trying to make is that my strike was about the same as I
normally do with my old 3 weight. Moving up to the 4 weight has shown me
that I must be a bit more gentle on the strike using the same tippet. I
also find that the heavier line is not so forgiving in cracking off flies in
trees and vegetation on the backcast. The old 3 weight would quite often
just hang up, allowing me to retrieve the fly and leader intact. The 4
weight line has too much momentum / rod too much power for the tippet,
whereas the 3 weight just about stayed within the limits of the 7x tippet.

About 3 weeks ago I was fishing with my 3 weight and had the wrong tippets
in my bag. I had forgotten to bring my usual 7x (2.2lb b.s.), but instead
had some 8x (1.9 lb b.s.) I was cursing myself for this, as it meant that I
couldn't fish any areas with weed in it. Most stretches of my water have a
lot of rannunculus in at the moment, but I did find a good weedless stretch
and successfully hooked and landed a 2 lb brownie with the light tippet. I
was quite pleased with this, but won't be wanting to repeat the exercise too
soon!

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...

"MichaelM" wrote in message
...


Willi is right; you can't do this with a #5 rod/line. I moved up from a
#3
8footer with 444 DT to a 8'3" #4 very recently. I continued to use my 7x
(2.2lb b.s.) tippet with the slightly heavier rod and line combo, and
broke
off when striking into first decent fish. This was at a fish 60 feet
away,
and very fresh in my memory as it was just 2 days ago; could have been
fish
of the season and all that... :-). With my old #3 outfit, the striking
action would probably have not snapped the leader. Ah well, c'est la
vie
as
they say over there..


Not all rods are created equal, and if your new rod is *faster* than the
three weight, I would hazard a guess that it was not being a four weight
that caused it.



Maybe the heavier line itself has something to do with it too?

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Willi wrote:

Your experiment isn't worth a **** because it doesn't reflect real life
conditions.

When's the last time you caught a big fish that applied steady pressure?

Are you claiming it's impossible to land a large trout on 6x or 7x? I
know a few people that haunt Silver Creek who would have a good laugh at
that.

Hi RW, last year, my best fish was a 5lb 3 oz trout landed on a 8 footer 3
weight using 7x tippet. I had little difficulty with landing this fish,
except when the brute went near any weeds, then I pulled my socks up
somewhat!. The biggest difficulty in landing the fish was the current flow,
and getting the fish near to the net. It took 40 minutes to net this fish
because at times, the fish just went where it wanted to go. I killed the
fish as I do most of the ones I catch, and so do not cause unnecessary
sufferance to the fish (if that makes sense...). I am allowed to take home
two fish a day, and generally fish the water with that in mind.