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Tim J. wrote:
typed:
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The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me
why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be
disliked by everybody, but please feel free.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd
come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruins our roff would be
suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself
should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they
would fear you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 21 Mar 2007 11:30:54 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 21, 7:17 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:

SNiPPED
3) Spend more time learning how to stalk the fish, select the right fly, and
present the fly to the fish. The rest will take care of itself.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid
unthinking dumbos who can´t cast, and know virtually nothing about
their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish.

You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that
95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant
as this lot.

MC


Rude, dude.

His advice was excellent for those who just want to go out, have a
good day, and catch a few fish. It may not have been up to the
standards of an expert / guide, but most fishermen never will be that
and shouldn't be bothered by the fact. While it may have been out of
place a bit in the thread ideal of the long cast, it was not out of
place in the newsgroup.
--

r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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On Mar 21, 8:20 pm, Tim Lysyk wrote:
wrote:

Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid
unthinking dumbos who can´t cast, and know virtually nothing about
their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish.

You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that
95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant
as this lot.

MC

I thought Tim J.'s advice was pretty good for a newbie. Your comments,
on the other hand, are just plain insulting, not to mention being
pompous and gross over-generalizations. How would you have any idea
what the fishing success rate of anyone from this newsgroup would be?

Tim Lysyk

My comments were intended to be insulting. Why not? Everybody else is
doing it, and I didn´t start it. You lot, with very few exceptions,
are a bunch of totally gutless arseholes. You allow ****bags like
Fortenberry and Dickie boy to behave in the most outrageous manner
without a single word of protest, ruining every single thread,
regardless of content, with their poisonous garbage. You only join in
a thread at all when it has deteriorated into a slagging match, and
then you slag people who are attempting to give serious advice and
instruction, which you are obviously too stupid to grasp, assuming you
were even interested in the first place, which seems unlikely.

Apart from Joe F. Wayne Knight, and a very minor contribution from Tom
Littleton, all other contributions to this thread have been slag offs
or personal insults. This is nearly always the case, because you are
simply a bunch of ignorant ill-mannered swine, who obviously know very
little about fly-fishing. If your only advice to a newbie is to go to
a fly-shop and invest in useless bling, then you are an idiot, and
your advice is worthless.

As it happens I do have a theory on the fishing success rate of a
number of the "contributrors" to this newsgroup. Anglers are gentleman
who have manners and respect for others, I suspect I would find a
correlation between the behaviour of the ****bags on here, and their
success rate.

So sonny boy, **** off and play with someone else, I have had enough
stupidity and ignorance for the nonce.

MC

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On Mar 21, 8:29 pm, Cyli wrote:
On 21 Mar 2007 11:30:54 -0700, wrote:



On Mar 21, 7:17 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:

SNiPPED
3) Spend more time learning how to stalk the fish, select the right fly, and
present the fly to the fish. The rest will take care of itself.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid
unthinking dumbos who can´t cast, and know virtually nothing about
their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish.

You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that
95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant
as this lot.

MC

Rude, dude.

His advice was excellent for those who just want to go out, have a
good day, and catch a few fish. It may not have been up to the
standards of an expert / guide, but most fishermen never will be that
and shouldn't be bothered by the fact. While it may have been out of
place a bit in the thread ideal of the long cast, it was not out of
place in the newsgroup.
--

r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

This is supposed to be a fly-fishing group, with not a few self-
declared experts. People who take the trouble to ask a question here,
presumably expect qualified advice, otherwise they would just go to
their local fly-shop, plonk down their plastic, and buy the
apparently obligatory bling to begin with.

All that happens here is that a couple of dumbos mouth a few stupid
platitudes, and then the whole lot deteriorates into a slagging match.

This is why none of the newbies stay here, and also why many of the
old guard have also departed.

My posts were on topic, correct, and certainly among the best and most
knowledgeable advice you will get anywhere. I have no need to be
modest, I just have to be right. All it got me was a load of insults
and other foolishness.

Not a single one of the so called "experts" here can disprove a single
statement I made, and neither can anybody else, for the simple reason
that they are all correct. All these arseholes do, is start silly
slagging matches, for whatever weird reasons they may have. None of it
has anything to do with fly-fishing.

I was not rude or ill-mannered until I was severely provoked, quite
intentionally, by stupid ignorant swine.

Now you and a couple of others are slagging me. Do me a favour will
you, save it for those who need it.

MC

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It further occurred to me, that you might find this of interest, apart
from anything else it will doubtless annoy those who need annoying,
who will of course swear they never read it, and that it was rubbish
anyway;

http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69

MC

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typed:
On Mar 21, 7:17 pm, "Tim J."
wrote:

SNiPPED
3) Spend more time learning how to stalk the fish, select the right
fly, and present the fly to the fish. The rest will take care of
itself.

Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid
unthinking dumbos who can´t cast, and know virtually nothing about
their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish.

I know enough to catch a few fish now and again, and I'm not in any hurry to
set records. My fishing partners will tell you my approach is less than
technical, but they'll also tell you I get a kick out of just being outdoors
and on the water. My advice has nothing to do with being unthinking. I've
given it a lot of thought, in fact, and can only surmise from reading your
posts that becoming an expert caster will lead only to becoming a bitter,
pompous fool who has lost his love of fishing, only deals with
technicalities, and will lambaste anyone who doesn't bow to his superior
knowledge. If being a stupid unthinking dumbo (can I get me a shirt?) leaves
me in a state where I can retain the joy of fishing, so be it.

You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that
95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant
as this lot.

No, Mike. That's not the answer to your question. Five percent is a
satisfactory number for me. If I catch more or less than that on a
particular day, that's satisfactory, too. You obviously fish to reach
perfection. I fish to relax and enjoy myself. I realize these are not
mutually exclusive goals, but not everyone, especially newcomers to the
sport, care about catching more fish. I learn more every year from the fine
roff fishing partners in my area, but I'm not in a hurry to learn everything
all at once. What fun would that be?
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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wrote in message
Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid
unthinking dumbos who can´t cast, and know virtually nothing about
their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish.

You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that
95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant
as this lot.

I realize that's an emotional generalization born out of the bull**** that
goes on here; but as one of the 95% who fail consistently, I can assure you
that it is not due to lack of understanding of the physics of casting or the
mechanics of my equipment. I understand all of that perfectly well; what I
lack is the magic.

In fact, other than understanding some of the basic principles of timing and
balancing the line, leader, tippet, and fly, I don't believe in-depth
knowledge of the equipment is for ****. For me, the pure joy of flyfishing
is being able to forget the mechanics, yet still have that line seem to defy
gravity before gently laying the fly into the pool in front of me. For me,
it's more feeling than technique, whichis good, because my technique sucks
95% of the time.

My best analogy is equally hard to explain. Juggling. The mechanics
couldn't be simpler to understand; but understanding is not enough. And, I
can tell you that as long as your brain is trying to analyze where your
hands need to be when, you can't do it. You just need to feel it, not
understand it. You don't learn a new trick until you stop trying to figure
it out. When it works, it's a thing of beauty; f*ck the physics. You don't
need to be a physicist. You worry about that, you'll miss all the fun. I
feel the same about flyfishing.

I'll go one example farther and mention a difference between me and my
fishing buddy. He's a fine caster, despite being an artist. An artist, for
god's sake. He wouldn't know tension, momentum, or how many grains in a
shooting head if you smacked him in the head with it; and he casts
beautifully, yet different from me. Why? Because he isn't constantly
analyzing the motion of the line or measuring the force in the rod while he
casts, he's just doing it. He catches a lot of fish.

Joe F.

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Ken Fortenberry typed:
Tim J. wrote:
typed:
snip
The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me
why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and
be disliked by everybody, but please feel free.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If
you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruins our roff
would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like
yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And
then they would fear you.

I suppose this means I get to kiss the ring. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj