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Mike[_6_] August 14th, 2007 05:36 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 1:35 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

You wouldnŽt know good advice even if it was pounded into you with a
fence post. I already outlived one mean spirited egocentric old
******* on here, who also died ignorant, and IŽm sure IŽll have no
trouble outliving another one. IŽll still be catching plenty of fish,
dressing new flies, and learning something new about fishing when
there is nothing left of you but a bad smell in the ether. Enjoy your
silly ranting you old fool, every second you waste on it only brings
you closer to the inevitable....

The sooner the better.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en


Mike[_6_] August 14th, 2007 05:38 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 2:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:1187060911.465928.19530
@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

How to fish better into a wind etc


I guess yo have some reading between the lines skills, because this was
nowhere in his post.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


QUOTE
Sometimes I was frustrated this year trying to fish on
windy days with my rig, but maybe it was me and not the equipment.
UNQUOTE

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en


Mike[_6_] August 14th, 2007 06:59 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 6:38 pm, Mike wrote:


Mr.FortenberryŽs advice was adequate for a complete beginner. ( With
money) But the gentleman in question is not a beginner, he has fished
for a year, caught plenty of fish, and desires to extend his knowledge
and capabilities. He has already noticed some limitations in his
equipment, and perhaps in his technique, and he mentioned that he is
on a tight budget.

There is no point in telling him to go and buy an expensive fly line,
because it wont solve his problems. neither will a new rod.It will
just cost him money, not improve his situation, and he wont learn
anything as a result.

This might be OK if he was shooting fish in a barrel in Labrador, or
somewhere else where one only has to dangle any old gear in the water,
and immediately catches fish. But doubtless the fishing where he is,
is not quite as easy as all that, and requires some thought and
application.

If he wants to be like 99.9% of all the others, who think they can
"BUY" fish by using expensive gear, then by all means let him do so.
However, somebody who goes to the trouble of asking intelligent
questions, deserves intelligent answers, and not just the stock quotes
used by hidebound reprobates at every possible opportunity, and
generally conceived to be "good advice".

It is as simple as that.

The advice I gave will immediately solve two of the problems he
mentioned, and also save him wasting money, which automatically solves
a third.

Which advice he takes, or whether he takes it at all, is up to him,
and not dependent on what various ranters have to say about it.

That Mr LaCourse gets his knickers severely twisted about all
this,must doubtless be attributed to his advancing age.

Should anybody wish advice from me about fishing matters,or merely
wish to discuss it, without the attendant nonsense here, then my
website and forum are listed below.

If anybody wants advice on knickers, homos, nappies, shooting fish in
a barrel, expensive fly-lines, and other related or non.related
miscellanea, then you have a group of self declared experts here, who
are to be commended for their zeal in bringing such matters to your
attention. I am sure it will help your fishing a lot!

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en



[email protected] August 14th, 2007 07:13 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:24 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On Aug 14, 2:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:1187060911.465928.19530
@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

How to fish better into a wind etc


I guess yo have some reading between the lines skills, because this was
nowhere in his post.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


QUOTE
Sometimes I was frustrated this year trying to fish on
windy days with my rig, but maybe it was me and not the equipment.
UNQUOTE

Um, well, actually, all the OP _asked_ was "What would you recommend
that I consider for a 2nd fly rod/reel that is a step up from the KPOC,
but still affordable (something around $300)?" and "Also, what size
rod/reel would you think I should go with?" He may well have wanted
fishing lessons, Santa's address, a rather potent Harvey Wallbanger, a
large tray of canapes - I would doubt he wanted vol au vent, what with
the wind, the restoration of the French monarchy, and a pony he could
call "Fernando" because he is an ABBA fan, but he didn't _ask_ for any
of those.

So, OP...do you want a drink and a nosh while sitting on a pony with a
French king? If so, don't worry - it's only August, you've got plenty
of time to find Santa's addy and dash off a note...

HTH,
R

Ken Fortenberry[_2_] August 14th, 2007 07:18 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
Mike wrote to Dave LaCourse:

You wouldnŽt know good advice even if it was pounded into you with a
fence post. ...


The only performance advantage to be had with a shooting head
on a 6wt is distance which is of little value to a central
Illinois bass fisherman. In all the areas of performance that
matter in this case, short distance casting, accuracy, ability
to turn over big flies in a wind, a shooting head is lacking.
You posted bad advice, monumentally bad advice, and even the
author of the link you provided says so in no uncertain terms.
So you might want to try a little of that fence post therapy
on yourself.

I already outlived one mean spirited egocentric old
******* on here, who also died ignorant, and IŽm sure IŽll have no
trouble outliving another one. IŽll still be catching plenty of fish,
dressing new flies, and learning something new about fishing when
there is nothing left of you but a bad smell in the ether. Enjoy your
silly ranting you old fool, every second you waste on it only brings
you closer to the inevitable....

The sooner the better.


All that vitriol and death-wish bitterness cannot be good for
you. It's fly fishing for cryin' out loud. When you get to the
point of wishing good people like Dave LaCourse dead it's time
to step away from the keyboard and take another of your rests.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang August 14th, 2007 07:29 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 

"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...

Your problem appears to be that you donŽt know what a head is,
or what it may be used for.


Words that should be writ large over the gates of Usenet.

Wolfgang



Mike[_6_] August 14th, 2007 08:03 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 8:13 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:24 -0700, Mike
wrote:



On Aug 14, 2:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:1187060911.465928.19530
@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:


How to fish better into a wind etc


I guess yo have some reading between the lines skills, because this was
nowhere in his post.


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


QUOTE
Sometimes I was frustrated this year trying to fish on
windy days with my rig, but maybe it was me and not the equipment.
UNQUOTE


Um, well, actually, all the OP _asked_ was "What would you recommend
that I consider for a 2nd fly rod/reel that is a step up from the KPOC,
but still affordable (something around $300)?" and "Also, what size
rod/reel would you think I should go with?" He may well have wanted
fishing lessons, Santa's address, a rather potent Harvey Wallbanger, a
large tray of canapes - I would doubt he wanted vol au vent, what with
the wind, the restoration of the French monarchy, and a pony he could
call "Fernando" because he is an ABBA fan, but he didn't _ask_ for any
of those.

So, OP...do you want a drink and a nosh while sitting on a pony with a
French king? If so, don't worry - it's only August, you've got plenty
of time to find Santa's addy and dash off a note...

HTH,
R


You really ought to read the posts properly. Especially before you
give advice. You are obviously not even aware of what the guy was
asking.

But I donŽt suppose it would make any difference if you had, your
speciality appears to be the production of aimless and boring
gibberish, and generally being a nasty piece of work.

CanŽt help you with a pony,you poor deprived diddums, but how about
some info on Polar bears? Just so you know not to climb on the wrong
animal

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...lar__bear.html
--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en


Mike[_6_] August 14th, 2007 08:07 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 8:18 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote to Dave LaCourse:



You wouldnŽt know good advice even if it was pounded into you with a
fence post. ...


The only performance advantage to be had with a shooting head
on a 6wt is distance which is of little value to a central
Illinois bass fisherman. In all the areas of performance that
matter in this case, short distance casting, accuracy, ability
to turn over big flies in a wind, a shooting head is lacking.
You posted bad advice, monumentally bad advice, and even the
author of the link you provided says so in no uncertain terms.
So you might want to try a little of that fence post therapy
on yourself.



--
Ken Fortenberry


So you keep saying, still wrong.

You are attempting to advise me about the use of vitriol? You really
are a pathetic totally inadequate asshole.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en


Dave LaCourse August 14th, 2007 08:08 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:36:03 -0700, Mike
wrote:

You wouldnŽt know good advice even if it was pounded into you with a
fence post. I already outlived one mean spirited egocentric old
******* on here, who also died ignorant, and IŽm sure IŽll have no
trouble outliving another one. IŽll still be catching plenty of fish,
dressing new flies, and learning something new about fishing when
there is nothing left of you but a bad smell in the ether. Enjoy your
silly ranting you old fool, every second you waste on it only brings
you closer to the inevitable....

The sooner the better.


Gee, Mike. You seem so bitter. Why are you so bitter? Is your life
so miserable that you have to come on the ng and call people vile
names?

If that's the case, fire away. I've been called lots of things, and I
no longer have a thin skin.

And, Mike, you really shouldn't talk badly about the dead. It isn't
very cool. It tells me and others *mountains* about your character.
As far as wishing me dead, well, you are the first one that has wished
that. I certainly hope there are no others. One sick puppy is more
than enough in my life.

Dave

PS: Three posts ago didn't you say you weren't going to answer my
posts?








BJ Conner August 14th, 2007 08:16 PM

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 
On Aug 14, 9:36 am, Mike wrote:
On Aug 14, 1:35 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

You wouldnŽt know good advice even if it was pounded into you with a
fence post. I already outlived one mean spirited egocentric old
******* on here, who also died ignorant, and IŽm sure IŽll have no
trouble outliving another one. IŽll still be catching plenty of fish,
dressing new flies, and learning something new about fishing when
there is nothing left of you but a bad smell in the ether. Enjoy your
silly ranting you old fool, every second you waste on it only brings
you closer to the inevitable....

The sooner the better.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en


Time and the vitriol from your keyboard are proving George to be a
wise man. Any and all of his characterizations of yourself have been
born out to be quite accurate. Your petty childish tirades are proving
he knew of what he spoke. Perhaps you'll get smarter when your dead
but I don't hold out any hope. BTW he could cast AND he caught fish.



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