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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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Sorry to respond to my own post but just noticed that my 3rd cite, the one
from OSU, was a table in HTML so of course it got all jumbled up when
converted to plain text. The part I was trying to point out listed the
difference in odor of crushed twigs, with Ponderosa shown as having an odor
described as "resinous, of orange or tangerine rind ", while that of
Jeffery pine is described as "not easy to
describe, vanilla, pineapple, apple"

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR

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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:
Sorry to respond to my own post ...

What the hell, if you and Steve are going to do dueling
His Loony Mikeness impersonations by posting web site cites
you may as well go all the way and post responses to your
responses to your responses ...

;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:30:36 GMT, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:


"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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Sorry to respond to my own post but just noticed that my 3rd cite, the one
from OSU, was a table in HTML so of course it got all jumbled up when
converted to plain text. The part I was trying to point out listed the
difference in odor of crushed twigs, with Ponderosa shown as having an odor
described as "resinous, of orange or tangerine rind ",

AHA!! I always thought those Cartwright boys were a little faggy...I
mean, four cattlemen, no wives, and potpourri around the ranch...sorta
like La Cage meets Rodeo Suite, music by Van Cliburn, a Tommy Tune
production...

So, OK, probably not the point, but still...
R

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Bob Weinberger wrote:

"rw" wrote

This is too funny. You certainly are quite the expert.

Well much as I hate to get into trading URL cites to make a point ....

http://trees.stanford.edu/ENCYC/PINjeff.htm
"The bark is constructed in flakes shaped like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle
which, unlike ponderosa pine, smell like vanilla when freshly broken off."

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gervaisb...ld/webpage.htm
"Ponderosa pine and Jeffrey pine can be found together in extensive forests.
These trees are very similar in morphology. However, the Jeffrey can be
easily distinguished from the ponderosa by its aromatic bark, which is
described as smelling like vanilla or butterscotch."

..... etc., etc., etc.

I wish you two would cut this out. Can't describe how depressed
I'm getting over the notion that the ability to use Google
*doesn't* substitute for decades of study and experience......

- JR

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Russell D. wrote:
Larry L wrote:
It's supposed to be near 90 here by Sunday ... yuck

far worse is that it's 34 in Ashton as I type but forecast to reach
mid 60's this weekend,

whoa, Whoa, WHOA !!!

we don't need or want a super quick runoff of this years excellent
snowpack such as happened a couple years ago ...


be cool

.... think cool

It snowed a half inch here in Spanish Fork, UT yesterday. This winter
has about caused me to lose faith in global warming.

Russell

Who would like to get his garden going.

FWIW, the high temperature yesterday was 81 F. The high today was about
70 - at midnight. On my way home from work this afternoon it was snowing
hard enough to affect visibility. This Utah weather can be wack sometimes.

I'm packing up the fam and going to Disneyland tomorrow morning. My
brother says it has been in the 90's down there. Yuck. I almost prefer
the snow.

Russell

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"JR" wrote in message
...
Bob Weinberger wrote:

"rw" wrote

This is too funny. You certainly are quite the expert.

Well much as I hate to get into trading URL cites to make a point ....

http://trees.stanford.edu/ENCYC/PINjeff.htm
"The bark is constructed in flakes shaped like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle
which, unlike ponderosa pine, smell like vanilla when freshly broken
off."

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gervaisb...ld/webpage.htm
"Ponderosa pine and Jeffrey pine can be found together in extensive
forests. These trees are very similar in morphology. However, the
Jeffrey can be easily distinguished from the ponderosa by its aromatic
bark, which is described as smelling like vanilla or butterscotch."

..... etc., etc., etc.

I wish you two would cut this out. Can't describe how depressed
I'm getting over the notion that the ability to use Google
*doesn't* substitute for decades of study and experience......

- JR

OK now that it should be clear, to everyone(with the possible exception of
rw) who read the exchange of posts on the topic, that Jeffery pine is the
best answer to the question "Which CA pine tree has bark that smells like a
vanilla?", I will make an admission :
I have encountered maybe as many as 100 old growth Ponderosa pine (in areas
well outside the range of Jeffery pine) that had a distinct "vanilla" smell
to them - nowhere near as strong as is found in any Jeffery pine, but
never-the-less a definate vanilla-like smell. Of course thats ~ 100 out of
hundreds of thousands (if not millions)over my many years working in the
forest that I have either cut down, measured bark thickness of, hand
measured the diameter of, blazed to mark a property line, limbed, increment
cored, scaled as logs, sectioned for taper or volume studies, bucked to
clear a road, followed through the sawmill for recovery and utilization
studies, pruned for future log grade improvement, put signs on, examined
for insect attack, or otherwise had close contact with. I don't count the
very few that I encountered during the short time I worked in Jeffery pine
range in California and Nevada, because Jeffery can occaisionally hybridize
with Ponderosa (fairly rare, but it has been documented) also, unless I was
working around serpentine soils, I had little need, from a management
standpoint, to care whether I was dealing with Jeffery or Ponderosa, so
paid little heed to which I was handling. Most of those ~ 100 were in NE
Oregon because thats where I've spent most of my forestry career, but I've
also encountered them in Montana, Colorado, Washington and Idaho. Almost
without exception those encounters were in very hot weather when even the
very low levels (relative to those in Jeffery pine) of n-heptane (the source
of the odor), that occasionally is found in Ponderosa, would be fairly
noticeable because of how easily that substance volitizes.


Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR

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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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"JR" wrote in message
...
Bob Weinberger wrote:

"rw" wrote

This is too funny. You certainly are quite the expert.

Well much as I hate to get into trading URL cites to make a point ....

http://trees.stanford.edu/ENCYC/PINjeff.htm
"The bark is constructed in flakes shaped like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle
which, unlike ponderosa pine, smell like vanilla when freshly broken
off."

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gervaisb...ld/webpage.htm
"Ponderosa pine and Jeffrey pine can be found together in extensive
forests. These trees are very similar in morphology. However, the
Jeffrey can be easily distinguished from the ponderosa by its aromatic
bark, which is described as smelling like vanilla or butterscotch."

..... etc., etc., etc.

I wish you two would cut this out. Can't describe how depressed
I'm getting over the notion that the ability to use Google
*doesn't* substitute for decades of study and experience......

- JR

OK now that it should be clear, to everyone(with the possible exception of
rw) who read the exchange of posts on the topic, that Jeffery pine is the
best answer to the question "Which CA pine tree has bark that smells like
a vanilla?", I will make an admission :
I have encountered maybe as many as 100 old growth Ponderosa pine (in
areas well outside the range of Jeffery pine) that had a distinct
"vanilla" smell to them - nowhere near as strong as is found in any
Jeffery pine, but never-the-less a definate vanilla-like smell. Of course
thats ~ 100 out of hundreds of thousands (if not millions)over my many
years working in the forest that I have either cut down, measured bark
thickness of, hand measured the diameter of, blazed to mark a property
line, limbed, increment cored, scaled as logs, sectioned for taper or
volume studies, bucked to clear a road, followed through the sawmill for
recovery and utilization studies, pruned for future log grade
improvement, put signs on, examined for insect attack, or otherwise had
close contact with. I don't count the very few that I encountered during
the short time I worked in Jeffery pine range in California and Nevada,
because Jeffery can occaisionally hybridize with Ponderosa (fairly rare,
but it has been documented) also, unless I was working around serpentine
soils, I had little need, from a management standpoint, to care whether I
was dealing with Jeffery or Ponderosa, so paid little heed to which I was
handling. Most of those ~ 100 were in NE Oregon because thats where I've
spent most of my forestry career, but I've also encountered them in
Montana, Colorado, Washington and Idaho. Almost without exception those
encounters were in very hot weather when even the very low levels
(relative to those in Jeffery pine) of n-heptane (the source of the odor),
that occasionally is found in Ponderosa, would be fairly noticeable
because of how easily that substance volitizes.

That's it? That's all ya got?

Well, kennie......and dicklet.......blew you out of the water with their
razor wit alone, let alone their vast experience with.......um......stuff or
something. And stevie is progressing nicely in his mastery of google
fumbling 101.

Work harder.

Wolfgang