Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

Why don't you run a semi-scientific test? Go to Wal-mart and buy national
brands that are available elsewhere. Then get the prices of the SAME item
at you other grocery. It has been my experience that the only thing that
you can buy cheaper at you local grocery are the come on items , and about
50% of the fruit & vegies. Wal-Mart definitely does not do a good job on
the fruit and vegies.
Since our Wal-Mart started, we treat our local groceries the way we used to
deal with the 7-11...for convenience, or its not worth the drive for a few
items. We find very few items cheaper than at Wal-Mart, and we shop there a
lot for everythig except outerwear clothing. Being retired, we pay
attention to our pennies, and we generally know where they are going.

If you have only been there twice, I think that you might get a surprise!

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Tim J." wrote in message
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Don't you think the public deserves some of the blame for the slaughter?
If the
shopping public had decided they were willing to support locally owned
and
operated businesses regardless of price, the Wal-marts and Home Depots
would
have dissolved rather than the local guy.

The funny thing is that the prices at WM are NOT always cheaper. But, the
advertising has lulled the sheep into a deep sleep. To add to the
hypnosis,
many Wal Mart stores don't post unit pricing stickers on everything. In my
only two trips to the WM grocery department, I noticed that about half the
items didn't have unit prices displayed, or any price at all. After
checking
out, I found that about 1/3 of the items were priced the same or above
what
the nearby supermarket charged. I never went back. WM *expects* you to
blindly believe. Only fools do that.




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Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Tim J." wrote in message
news:pCwic.14213$YP5.1053449@attbi_s02...

Don't you think the public deserves some of the blame for the slaughter?
If the
shopping public had decided they were willing to support locally owned
and
operated businesses regardless of price, the Wal-marts and Home Depots
would
have dissolved rather than the local guy.

The funny thing is that the prices at WM are NOT always cheaper. But, the
advertising has lulled the sheep into a deep sleep. To add to the
hypnosis,
many Wal Mart stores don't post unit pricing stickers on everything. In my
only two trips to the WM grocery department, I noticed that about half the
items didn't have unit prices displayed, or any price at all. After
checking
out, I found that about 1/3 of the items were priced the same or above
what
the nearby supermarket charged. I never went back. WM *expects* you to
blindly believe. Only fools do that.

Stated in simplest terms, none of what you say about what you did is true.
You are (as you have already amply demonstrated on several occasions here)
simply a pathological liar. Why is that?

Wolfgang

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...


Stated in simplest terms, none of what you say about what you did is true.
You are (as you have already amply demonstrated on several occasions here)
simply a pathological liar. Why is that?

Actually, professor, it's all true. Further, I've spent the last 12 years of
my life in the grocery industry, so I actually have a thorough understanding
of why it's possible in many markets. How about you? What insights do YOU
have into the intricacies of the food business, other than your imagination?

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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True, but a very large proportion of the population
clearly prefers to buy at Walmart, Best Buy, McDonalds,
BassPro, Barnes & Noble, etc, and our grand suburban/exurban
culture promotes them.

Imagine the changes when the gasoline runs out.

That doesn't happen if you watch the gauge carefully and refuel as
necessary.

Wolfgang

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
What the hell are you talking about??? How did you get from my comment on
store comparisons, to "prejudiced" and "stupid"??? Explain exactly what
you
read into my post, please.

In the unfortunate event that you stick around here for a while, even a
halfwit like yourself will eventually realize that Mike is perfectly capable
of answering for himself but, as he is probably asleep right now and you are
doubtless impatient for an answer to your question, please allow me to give
you a synopsis of what Mike is likely to say.......albeit somewhat more
diplomatically.

What Mike read into your post is almost certainly exactly what you put
there. To whit, you are prejudiced, abysmally stupid and (though I'm sure
Mike is much too polite to say so in a public forum read by adolescent
westerners) a pathological liar.

Does that help? :)

Wolfgang

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
What the hell are you talking about??? How did you get from my comment
on
store comparisons, to "prejudiced" and "stupid"??? Explain exactly what
you
read into my post, please.

In the unfortunate event that you stick around here for a while, even a
halfwit like yourself will eventually realize that Mike is perfectly
capable
of answering for himself but, as he is probably asleep right now and you
are
doubtless impatient for an answer to your question, please allow me to
give
you a synopsis of what Mike is likely to say.......albeit somewhat more
diplomatically.

What Mike read into your post is almost certainly exactly what you put
there. To whit, you are prejudiced, abysmally stupid and (though I'm sure
Mike is much too polite to say so in a public forum read by adolescent
westerners) a pathological liar.

Does that help? :)

Wolfgang

The count so far: Two who cannot explain their responses. Let's give you
another shot. A newspaper runs comparisons of grocery prices for a local
market. They do this 7 or 8 times in 3 years. They never include Wal Mart.

From this comment, you conclude that I am stupid, and a liar. Be as specific
as your inebriation will permit in explaining your conclusions.

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...


Stated in simplest terms, none of what you say about what you did is
true.
You are (as you have already amply demonstrated on several occasions
here)
simply a pathological liar. Why is that?

Actually, professor, it's all true.

Thank you, but you haven't answered the question.

Further, I've spent the last 12 years of
my life in the grocery industry,

Mercy! Crime fighting is nowhere near as demanding as it once was. Who'da
thunk it?

so I actually have a thorough understanding
of why it's possible in many markets. How about you?

Well, not to toot my own horn or anything but, like most here, I too have a
thorough understanding of why the grocery industry is possible in many
markets. Um........actually, I don't consider that much of an
accomplishment.

What insights do YOU
have into the intricacies of the food business, other than your
imagination?

Hm.......so, you believe that the readers of this newsgroup are going to
mistake vapid maundering about the evils of Wal-Mart for expertise in the
intricacies of the food business, and you think I'VE got an imagination?

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
What the hell are you talking about??? How did you get from my comment
on
store comparisons, to "prejudiced" and "stupid"??? Explain exactly
what
you
read into my post, please.

In the unfortunate event that you stick around here for a while, even a
halfwit like yourself will eventually realize that Mike is perfectly
capable
of answering for himself but, as he is probably asleep right now and you
are
doubtless impatient for an answer to your question, please allow me to
give
you a synopsis of what Mike is likely to say.......albeit somewhat more
diplomatically.

What Mike read into your post is almost certainly exactly what you put
there. To whit, you are prejudiced, abysmally stupid and (though I'm
sure
Mike is much too polite to say so in a public forum read by adolescent
westerners) a pathological liar.

Does that help? :)

Wolfgang

The count so far: Two who cannot explain their responses.

Existential radishes; aromatic syzygy tatami, wot?

Let's give you another shot.

Thank you, no, the hives have cleared up.

A newspaper runs comparisons of grocery prices for a local
market.

Mm hm.

They do this 7 or 8 times in 3 years.

I see.

They never include Wal Mart.

Ah! Indeed. Yes.

From this comment, you conclude that I am stupid, and a liar.

Well, no, that actually happened quite a while before this last message.

Be as specific
as your inebriation will permit in explaining your conclusions.

Um..........about what?

Wolfgang
does anyone else get that vague sense that this isn't going anywhere in a
big hurry? :(

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm still waiting, Wolfgang.

O.k. Thanks. We appreciate it. Really.

How much volume per month does Del Monte require of a customer before 2%,
5%
and 10% discounts kick in?

A leader? Too and a half?

Does Ocean Spray average a customer's volume over quarterly periods, in
case
the grocery chain doesn't make its monthly volume goals?

Don't know about Ocean Spray, but uncle Guido averages a customer's volume
over a couple of acres if he doesn't make his monthly goals........if you
know what I mean.

What kind of leverage does a chain have if the manufacturer doesn't offer
discounts sufficient to compete with Wal Mart?

Hah! Trick question! Chain ain't worth **** as a lever! Hell, EVERYBODY
knows that!

How does a grocery chain continue to buy goods at discounted rates when
such
rates are not being offered by a manufacturer at the moment in that
region?

They buy overstock from Sam's Club.

How do these factors allow a local chain to clean Wal Mart's clock without
even breathing heavy?

Discounts on camel hair brushes and carbon tetrachloride?

Which two major grocery wholesalers consolidated in the past year,
creating
the ability to actually buy more than most manufacturers can produce?

Orvis and Quik-E-Mart.

Name 5 grocery store chains which used to buy directly from manufacturers,
but which now buy from one wholesaler which, in a matter of 18 months, has
become a behemoth on the East Coast, and dwarfs the volume of Wal Mart in
dry groceries?

Sleezy
Gimlet
Groin
Thyroid
Tom Thumb

Did I win? :)

Wolfgang
o.k., so, who wants to bet some shiny new nickels on just how long this git
will last?

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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simply a pathological liar. Why is that?

Actually, professor, it's all true.

Thank you, but you haven't answered the question.

Point out my lies, and I'll answer your question.



Well, not to toot my own horn or anything but, like most here, I too have
a
thorough understanding of why the grocery industry is possible in many
markets. Um........actually, I don't consider that much of an
accomplishment.

What business are you in, in why shouldn't THAT business grow to meet
demand?