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Jeff Miller wrote:

seems to me your test here is narrowly-focused on utility. what works
best.

Yep. That's my test.

knowing you in passing though, i believe you to have an
appreciation of art. bamboo rods surely ain't mystical, but their
history and creation does give them a "soulful" quality for anyone who
appreciates individual craftsmanship - and i think you do.

I've acknowledged that.

it's not a
crock to esteem and value such things, or even to prefer to utilize
them. it may be a "crock" if one pegs the value only on utility...
but, if that were the case, you'd be chunkin a wal-mart spinning rod
into silver creek wouldn't you?

No, I wouldn't. I prefer flyfishing, and in fact flyfishing is the
superior method in places like Silver Creek. (BTW, I'm leaving for
Silver Creek this morning.) I just don't like to handicap myself with
inferior equipment, and I'm not into antiques or replicas of antiques.
If someone else is, that's fine with me, but they aren't going to
convince me that their obsolete antiques and faux antiques are better.

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Tom Littleton wrote:

JR writes:

Ha ha ha! I have broken WAY more graphite rods than cane. Also, when
I've broken a cane rod, I have always known why (put a bit too much
shoulder to a fish; caught the tip on a branch at the moment of netting,
etc.). I have never had a cane rod snap for no apparent reason,


I'm not picking on JR, as others have made similar sets of remarks...but, I am
really confused. In roughly 30 years of fly fishing, with an assortment of
rods, I have broken exactly two. One, I closed a garage door on and the other I
stepped on in a drunken moment in a boat. Never, in the course of being on a
stream, has any rod ever broken on me. I don't understand how or why one
should.

Same here. I've broken two rods (actually, the same rod, twice), both by
accident and not in the course of fishing.

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Jeff Miller wrote:

once, my dad, us marine corps master/gunnery sargeant robert l. miller,
ordered me to sweep out the garage. he gave me an old kitchen broom to
do the job. when he left me in the garage, i immediately discarded the
old broom and located the huge push broom my grandfather used in his
sweeping and i then used it. sgt miller, on his return, angrily chided
me for "always looking for the easy way". i hated him and his comment
then, thinking it a "crock"...but, you know, he mighta had a point.

Did he make you clean latrines with a toothbrush, too?

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uh...the ptsd is only now subsiding almost 15 years after his death.
i'm counseled not to resurrect the repressed memories or to discuss such
matters outside the padded room g, but, if you've read pat conroy...
well, it was sorta like that without the thoughtful or intelligent part
(on both our parts).

rw wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:

once, my dad, us marine corps master/gunnery sargeant robert l.
miller, ordered me to sweep out the garage. he gave me an old kitchen
broom to do the job. when he left me in the garage, i immediately
discarded the old broom and located the huge push broom my grandfather
used in his sweeping and i then used it. sgt miller, on his return,
angrily chided me for "always looking for the easy way". i hated him
and his comment then, thinking it a "crock"...but, you know, he mighta
had a point.


Did he make you clean latrines with a toothbrush, too?

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
g.com...


...The difference between flyfishing and tennis (or at least one
difference) is that performance is not only measurable, but unavoidably
obvious...


Stupid. Just plain stupid. The difference is that fly fishing isn't
about winning.......well, not for most of us anyway.

I was talking about performance of the equipment, stupid.


But of course. And this is why your life's ambition of being a winner is
forever doomed.

Someone (I don't know who -- you'll have to Google it) once said
(paraphrasing) that the mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain
two opposed concepts at the same time.

That was Lennie Richardson, April 8, 2004.......and he was speaking of
me......and I didn't have to Google it......I've got it hanging on the wall
next to me as I type this......suitably framed......and notarized.

You failed.

Talk to Lennie. :)

Flyfishing isn't about winning. Tennis is. That's why I pointed out the
DIFFERENCE. Equipment makes a DIFFERENCE in tennis (you win or you lose),
and the difference is obvious.

Well, that's pretty funny. I doubt many people here will be shocked or
surprised that you haven't got any idea of what you are GOING to say......or
that you are equally clueless about what you are SAYING......but most would
probably have guessed that, with documentary evidence before you, you would
at least have a vague idea of what you DID say.

Draw your own conclusions.

Looks to me like I already have.

I prefer to use equipment that performs well, requires little maintenance,
and is economical.

I'm sure even Kennie won't mind my speaking for all of ROFF in declaring
that you have our permission to do so.

If someone wants to delude themselves about the mystical, soulful
superiority of their bamboo flyrod, that they recently dropped a
wheelbarrow of bucks on, and that they love to fondle in the firelight
below the mantle holding their other antiques, that's fine with me, but
it's a crock.


Ah, well, you see, a very wise man once said that an intelligent person can
sometimes hold to two or more antithetical propositions at the same time.
For example, one could simultaneously recognize that one material might in
some way be technically superior to another for the construction of a
particular implement, prefer, nevertheless, the supposedly inferior material
for personal reasons, be extremely dubious about the existence of what
theologians are pleased to refer to as a "soul", AND without contravening
natural law or good sense be perfectly justified in thinking of the use of
the allegedly inferior instrument as a soul-satisfying experience.

We've been over this before, Stevie.......as long as you cleave unto those
Dawkins comic books, you WILL be subject to the same crippling deficiency as
their author......an absolute and crippling lack of imagination.

Wolfgang

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
m...

Wolfgang wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
g.com...


...The difference between flyfishing and tennis (or at least one
difference) is that performance is not only measurable, but unavoidably
obvious...


Stupid. Just plain stupid. The difference is that fly fishing isn't
about winning.......well, not for most of us anyway.

I was talking about performance of the equipment, stupid.


But of course. And this is why your life's ambition of being a winner is
forever doomed.

Someone (I don't know who -- you'll have to Google it) once said
(paraphrasing) that the mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain
two opposed concepts at the same time.

That was Lennie Richardson, April 8, 2004.......and he was speaking of
me......and I didn't have to Google it......I've got it hanging on the wall
next to me as I type this......suitably framed......and notarized.

You failed.

Talk to Lennie. :)

Flyfishing isn't about winning. Tennis is. That's why I pointed out the
DIFFERENCE. Equipment makes a DIFFERENCE in tennis (you win or you lose),
and the difference is obvious.

Well, that's pretty funny. I doubt many people here will be shocked or
surprised that you haven't got any idea of what you are GOING to say......or
that you are equally clueless about what you are SAYING......but most would
probably have guessed that, with documentary evidence before you, you would
at least have a vague idea of what you DID say.

Draw your own conclusions.

Looks to me like I already have.

I prefer to use equipment that performs well, requires little maintenance,
and is economical.

I'm sure even Kennie won't mind my speaking for all of ROFF in declaring
that you have our permission to do so.

If someone wants to delude themselves about the mystical, soulful
superiority of their bamboo flyrod, that they recently dropped a
wheelbarrow of bucks on, and that they love to fondle in the firelight
below the mantle holding their other antiques, that's fine with me, but
it's a crock.


Ah, well, you see, a very wise man once said that an intelligent person can
sometimes hold to two or more antithetical propositions at the same time.
For example, one could simultaneously recognize that one material might in
some way be technically superior to another for the construction of a
particular implement, prefer, nevertheless, the supposedly inferior material
for personal reasons, be extremely dubious about the existence of what
theologians are pleased to refer to as a "soul", AND without contravening
natural law or good sense be perfectly justified in thinking of the use of
the allegedly inferior instrument as a soul-satisfying experience.

We've been over this before, Stevie.......as long as you cleave unto those
Dawkins comic books, you WILL be subject to the same crippling deficiency as
their author......an absolute and crippling lack of imagination.

Wolfgang

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
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Stupid. Just plain stupid. The difference is that fly fishing isn't
about
winning.......well, not for most of us anyway.

Bull****, he who dies with the most toys.... Mr Knight is well ahead of
most of the pack.

Nah, that's LIFE. I was just talking about fishing.

Wolfgang
who knows it ain't the same thing.......well, not quite, anyway.

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
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Bull****, he who dies with the most toys.... Mr Knight is well ahead of
most of the pack.

I don't know about being ahead of most of the pack, but it's not about going
to the casket with the most toys.

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
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Bull****, he who dies with the most toys.... Mr Knight is well ahead of
most of the pack.

I don't know about being ahead of most of the pack, but it's not about
going
to the casket with the most toys.


I prefer "He who dies having enjoyed his toys the most, wins."

--riverman
(..regardless of how many toys he has had.)

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From: rw

I'm not picking on JR, as others have made similar sets of remarks...but, I
am
really confused. In roughly 30 years of fly fishing, with an assortment of
rods, I have broken exactly two.

rods, I have broken exactly two. One, I closed a garage door on and the
other I
stepped on in a drunken moment in a boat. Never, in the course of being on
a
stream, has any rod ever broken on me. I don't understand how or why one
should.

Same here. I've broken two rods (actually, the same rod, twice), both by
accident and not in the course of fishing.

Me too. Been fishing a long, long, time, and have only broken two rods, (last
one in 1975), both by carelessness.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller