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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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On Nov 9, 12:08 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Man sagt auch schleppen................... Ist wohl nicht sonderlich
bekannt in Amerika, aber fast jeder hier benutzt es.

Nur um es klarzustellen.........

As you yourself have pointed out on several occasions, the bulk of the
readers and writers in r.o.f.f. are American. It should come as no
surprise
that we communicate in American English.

In discussing "Trailing"

He essentially said "one sometimes uses the term dragging, it not
particularly well known (our used) in America but almost everyone here
(europe) uses it.

I see. Does he say anything about why he thinks this is germane?

Just to clear things up."

Once again, clarity is likely to have profoundly little effect on all of
this......but thanks, anyway. :)

Wayne

I prefer the Umqua parachute hopper myself

Never tried that one. I used to use a foam bodied variation of the Letort.
Fast and easy to tie, and it worked well enough, but esthetically lacking.
These days I don't bother with a lot of different patterns. Pretty much
stick to the bullet head.

Wolfgang

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:34:07 +0100, MC wrote:

Sorry about the e-mail. G-mail is acting up and I had to use another
account, was incorrectly set up.

Yeah. RW uses the same excuse. d;o)

Newbie Question: What hopper pattern?
 

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:08:37 -0800, Wayne Knight
wrote:

On Nov 9, 12:08 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Man sagt auch schleppen................... Ist wohl nicht sonderlich
bekannt in Amerika, aber fast jeder hier benutzt es.

Nur um es klarzustellen.........

As you yourself have pointed out on several occasions, the bulk of the
readers and writers in r.o.f.f. are American. It should come as no surprise
that we communicate in American English.

In discussing "Trailing"

He essentially said "one sometimes uses the term dragging, it not
particularly well known (our used) in America but almost everyone here
(europe) uses it.

Just to clear things up."

Wayne

I prefer the Umqua parachute hopper myself

He also said this: "One may troll with flies, ( actually, the correct
term is still "trailing"),"

The correct term is "trolling".

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"Mike" wrote in message
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On 9 Nov, 20:09, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"MC" wrote in message

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Wolfgang wrote:

You thought right, but the fly in the link is not a Joe´s Hopper,

Ah! My mistake. I thought the label up near the top of the
page.....the
one that says, "Joe's Hopper".....referred to the fly pictured on that
page, the fly that looks just like the Joe's Hoppers I used to to
tie.....and use.....quite successfully.

it is
a variation with a chenille or wool body.

Oh dear, outfoxed again!

Wolfgang
who confesses to despair at ever figuring out what folks think they gain
from pretending to believe that they fool anyone.

Some things are quite frustrating.

Ain't it the truth?

I can´t figure out why people might
prefer humble bull**** to simple facts.

But you have no trouble at all pretending to believe they prefer pompous
bull**** (and outright lies) to either. Go figure.

It says "India" on many car tyres, but they don´t all come from there.

Profundity, thy name is mikie.

Wolfgang

The only way to know what or why the might prefer something is to ask
them, or attempt to discover it from what they write.

All these thousands of years of philosophizing.......and it took till now
for someone to think of that. Ain't it a wonderment? Ain't you?

Of course, that
presupposes that they even know what they prefer and why, and that
they are capable of expressing it, or even understanding the question,
sadly not often the case with some here.

So it seems.

You calling me a liar does not make it so.

No, but your lies do.

I don´t pretend to believe anything.

Thus leading one to the inescapable conclusion that you believe the things
you write here. Learning can lead to dismal results, ainna?

Pompous or otherwise, which incidentally is mostly in the mind of the
reader, especially in this medium, facts are facts, and bull**** is
bull****.

Well, as the sole proprietor of facts, this leaves you in a position that
most people wouldn't find such a miserable burden. Makes you wonder, don't
it?

Quite apart from anything else, it really is quite funny when you,
Fortenberry, or a couple of others, hold forth on pomposity,
especially in the pompous manner to which you are apparently
accustomed.

Doesn't bother me much. I have it from an unimpeachable source that
pomposity is mostly in the mind of the reader.

Wolfgang

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On Nov 9, 2:43 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:08:37 -0800, Wayne Knight


The correct term is ....


The correct term for you is whatever you use and the correct term for
Mr. Connor is whatever term he uses. More often I've heard the term
trolling used but I've also heard the term trailing used. I never
heard the term drag used except when recovery teams would drag the
bottom to find property and bodies. At the end of the day what does
it matter other than a reason to post a bunch of posts excerbating an
already bad situation? I always thought Mike's use of "fly dressing"
instead of fly tying was kind of holier than thou until I had more
exposure to some European tiers, both in person and via correspondence
and they all use the term dressing instead of tying. I've started
many a time to challenge him on it and in the end I am glad I didn't
because my cultural experiences took it in a way that it was not being
intended.

That we all fish different waters, often have different preferences-
including the posting of trip reports, and use different terms does
not make one "right", just different. Drop the hard-ons for a moment
and think about the cultural and life experience variances. It's
really hard to discuss the merits of the message when the messenger is
going to be eviserated first. Calling a person mistaken and calling a
person a liar is basically saying the person is wrong and they may be,
but which would you rather be called?

My 1/10th of Ken's 20 cents worth.

But then again, Wolfgang used a foam bodied hopper imitation and I'd
rather aplogize on Roff than use a foam bodied trout fly. And I'd
rather fish live bait than use any chenile on a dry fly. g

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On 9 Nov, 22:50, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Nov 9, 2:43 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:08:37 -0800, Wayne Knight

The correct term is ....

The correct term for you is whatever you use and the correct term for
Mr. Connor is whatever term he uses. More often I've heard the term
trolling used but I've also heard the term trailing used. I never
heard the term drag used except when recovery teams would drag the
bottom to find property and bodies. At the end of the day what does
it matter other than a reason to post a bunch of posts excerbating an
already bad situation? I always thought Mike's use of "fly dressing"
instead of fly tying was kind of holier than thou until I had more
exposure to some European tiers, both in person and via correspondence
and they all use the term dressing instead of tying. I've started
many a time to challenge him on it and in the end I am glad I didn't
because my cultural experiences took it in a way that it was not being
intended.

That we all fish different waters, often have different preferences-
including the posting of trip reports, and use different terms does
not make one "right", just different. Drop the hard-ons for a moment
and think about the cultural and life experience variances. It's
really hard to discuss the merits of the message when the messenger is
going to be eviserated first. Calling a person mistaken and calling a
person a liar is basically saying the person is wrong and they may be,
but which would you rather be called?

My 1/10th of Ken's 20 cents worth.

But then again, Wolfgang used a foam bodied hopper imitation and I'd
rather aplogize on Roff than use a foam bodied trout fly. And I'd
rather fish live bait than use any chenile on a dry fly. g

At one time, people differentiated between "trolling and
trailing" ( Some still do) in that trolling required weight on the
line. Trailing did not.

However that may be, nice to hear a balanced point of view.

I do like some foam flies a lot, but I agree with you on the
chenille! :)

TL
MC

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:23:54 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Quite apart from anything else, it really is quite funny when you,
Fortenberry, or a couple of others, hold forth on pomposity,
especially in the pompous manner to which you are apparently
accustomed.

Mike, afaik, no one except you tells another person that the fly he
has been successful with is "no good". Nor does anyone correct
someone's use of a valid word, "trolling".

You are a pompous, arrogant ass, and your posts prove it time and time
again. "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

LaCourse

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:50:46 -0800, Wayne Knight
wrote:

That we all fish different waters, often have different preferences-
including the posting of trip reports, and use different terms does
not make one "right", just different. Drop the hard-ons for a moment
and think about the cultural and life experience variances. It's
really hard to discuss the merits of the message when the messenger is
going to be eviserated first. Calling a person mistaken and calling a
person a liar is basically saying the person is wrong and they may be,
but which would you rather be called?

I can appreciate that, Wayne. However if I was to tell you that you
were using an incorrect word to describe an action, I believe you
would find fault with it. We, in the U.S., call it trolling.
"Trailing" is NOT the correct word as far as Americans are concerned.
To tell someone that trolling is the wrong word is simply being
arrogant.

I called Willi a liar because it was not the truth. I should have
called him incorrect. My bad and I will apologize to him.

Dave

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On 9 Nov, 23:22, Dave LaCourse wrote:

I called Willi a liar because it was not the truth. I should have
called him incorrect. My bad and I will apologize to him.

Dave

You lied LaCourse, and you are still lying. The crap you write is also
incredibly childish and boring.

MC

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:24:19 -0500, jeff
wrote:


"trail": [def. #14] - "to fish by trailing a line from a moving boat;
troll."


I stand corrected on the dictionary fact. It is, however, not called
trailing in the U.S. And I believe you know that.

Dave



i have always called and known it as trolling...don't know if everybody
in the u.s. calls it the same, but that may be true. still, i had no
difficulty accepting "trailing" as accurate, nor did i have a visceral
response to the statement as made by its author. i suspect there may be
an interesting etymology lesson behind the words.

jeff