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In article 2fFDb.74$OH.35@fe10, says...

I doubt that the Ohio or many other such rivers ran clear
very often, if ever.

well, on 9/11/01, or shortly thereafter, it was running a beautiful
blue/green where i crossed
it, somewhere in southeastern ohio. so, i figured it couldn't have been
worse without any
farm drainage and industrial contamination.
but hell, what do i know...
yfitons
wayno



Well, 45 odd years ago, the section of the Missouri river in North
Dakota was known as the "Big Muddy," and was populated with strange
prehistoric looking fish like the pallid sturgeon, paddlefish, and
burbot. Nowadays, thanks to Garrison Dam, the River is cold and
clear, and there are trout and salmon (pretty damn big ones, too.)
A lot of people consider that an improvement, but the sturgeon
aren't doing too well under current management.

Speaking of which, I was railing a few weeks ago about the Bush
administration summarily firing the staff of scientists who had
been working for years on a new river management plan for the
Missouri. Well, Dubya's handpicked successors have determined,
after a good two weeks' study, that the Corps of Engineers should
carry on as usual, and could create spawning habitat for sturgeon
and sandbars for the endangered piping plover to nest on with
bulldozers.

Kevin

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
Willi asks:
Tom, who's in charge of the weather this year?

I am(see prior post). I can't leave it up to Makela any more!
Tom

Speaking of The Finn, where the hell is he hiding?

Danl

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In article 3wFDb.19014$OJ.17610@edtnps84,
says...

One of the neat thigs about living on this side of the Rockies is that
we get Chinook winds from the coast that warm the area up.


Yeah, the Chinooks come in over the mountains in Montana, too, and
make it about as far as the Montana-North Dakota border, where they
stop as if they hit a brick wall. Here, most of our winter weather
comes straight down from the Arctic. If I were in charge, the
canucks could ship all their beef down here if they wanted, as long
as they kept those damn Alberta Clippers at home.

Kevin

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pipe is made of some kind of greenish-gray stone that I've never seen in
NC.

Could be a soapstone variety. I've seen a few pipes made from that.

I believe that Wolfgang is correct and that the Catlinite quarry is
controlled by Native Americans.

I once purchased a piece to carve a turtle effigy pipe. Interesting stone
to work with. Takes on a wonderful patinae with age.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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can you imagine what a rush it would be to go back in time, and see the
clarity of those rivers--the ohio, a quarter of a mile wide, and clear as a
brook trout stream--and consider the awesome silence between nowadays st.
louis to, say, asheville, north carolina?
what will the next two hundred years bring? blade runner?
yfitons
wayno

I'll loan you my copy of Lewis and Clarks's Journals.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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Greg Pavlov:
From reading a good number of early accounts over the
years I had the impression that Mississippi rivers
like the Ohio, with long low gradients, usually ran
cloudy or downright muddy, but maybe not.

My understanding has always been that the Mississippi, above the confluence
with the Missouri was a relatively clear stream except in times of high
water. The Missouri has always been known for carrying large quantities of
silt and was a most difficult river to navigate before the Corps of
Engineers began damming and channeling. If you fly over the St. Charles MO
area today you can see the two rivers retain their identities down stream
until the relative clarity of the Mississippi vanishes around St. Louis.

I've never flown over Cairo IL that I recall so can't comment upon what
kind of silt and mud load the Ohio adds to the stream.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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Tim Lysyk wrote:

Wimp. Forecast is calling for about 5 - 7 degrees C, (40 - 45 F),
parially sunny. Plenty warm enough for fly fishing the Crow.

Must be a Chinook, eh? So that means that the wind only be blowing
about 70 mph, no?


Chuck Vance

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:43 -0500, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


well, on 9/11/01, or shortly thereafter, it was running a beautiful
blue/green where i crossed
it, somewhere in southeastern ohio. so, i figured it couldn't have been
worse without any farm drainage and industrial contamination.
but hell, what do i know...


Oh, you do a good job of sounding like you know
plenty, but that may be a lawyer trait :-)

let me say again, in case there is some misunderstanding: where i
crossed the ohio, it was not muddy. it was not as clear as a trout stream.
but it was far more clear than muddy. its color was between blue and green,
with more of the former than the latter.
now, if you think the above description would be different if i didn't
have a law degree, you have some issues that i need to address.

yfitons
wayno

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Conan The Librarian wrote:
Tim Lysyk wrote:

Wimp. Forecast is calling for about 5 - 7 degrees C, (40 - 45 F),
parially sunny. Plenty warm enough for fly fishing the Crow.


Must be a Chinook, eh? So that means that the wind only be blowing
about 70 mph, no?


Chuck Vance


You got the 70 right, only it was about 70 kilometers per hour. Nice
thing was, we were able to get out of it where the river flows through
the canyons. I had a good day. Caught one rainbow, about 16". Pretty fish.

Tim Lysyk

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Wayne Harrison wrote:

let me say again, in case there is some misunderstanding: where i
crossed the ohio, it was not muddy. ...

You waxed poetic about the days of yore when the mighty Ohio was as
clear as a brookie stream. In the days of yore, before the mighty
Ohio was channeled, dammed, ditched by bulldozed levees and enclosed
in friggin' concrete, the mighty Ohio ran muddy as hell most of the
time and supported a vast network of marshes, swamps and other
yukky, muddy places that were just damn fine for all sorts of birds
and trees and other living things but not so damn fine for farmers
and the folks who want to run big ass barges of coal up and down
its length.

You wax poetic for something that never existed and you glorify
something that is anathema to many of us.

HTH

--
Ken Fortenberry