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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
I've seen really ****-poor behavior from father-son "teams."

That's for sure. Some of the most disturbing behavior I've seen while
fishing is some asshole father teaching his son to be an asshole just
like dad.

Joe F.




When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner right
into our float bucket.

Scott

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:

When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?


That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead of
just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year olds) from
being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.

Scott

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Scott Seidman wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om:


Scott Seidman wrote:


When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?



That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead of
just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year olds) from
being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.


Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi

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Willi wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om:


Scott Seidman wrote:


When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?



That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead
of just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year
olds) from being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.


Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi




Yes. I have one such creek within 45 minutes of me. Parts are stocked,
but there are impenetrable barriers between stocked and unstocked
sections. Part of this wild section is catch and release, artificials
only. Believe it or not, a wild part with almost no access is three
fish, any size, any method during trout season, C and R artificials only
outside of trout season. This sections regs are a compromise, after the
DEC had 3 fish any size any method 12 months put up there.

There's a trib to this creek that is also unstocked with pretty
restrictive regs.

As an aside, NY is starting a two fish limit for fish over 12". This is
interesting, because the real motivation (though some in the DEC deny
this) is to try to keep two year old stockies in the water a little
longer. It's a little funny how they're managing for stockies.

Scott

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"Willi" wrote in message
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Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.


Yes there are. Each state is different but I can speak to WI, MI, GA, MO,
and NC as each having differing regs based on stream categories. But
stocking is a widespread practice as you have read. One of the many
reasons, and there are some good ones, is that many marginal streams need to
be stocked to "keep them off of the good streams"

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Willi

Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi


there are hundreds of miles of wild trout water in north carolina,
wherein no stocking takes place. in fact, there are several streams in my
own knowledge which contain wild fish and are not managed or regulated at
all. it's like they are "under the radar".

yfitons
wayno

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:23:38 -0700, Willi wrote:

Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

GA has some trout streams that are not stocked (although they were
originally stocked 40 years ago or so). The ones I know of are
artificial only and have mostly wild brown and rainbow. One also has a
16" size limit.
--
Charlie...

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote

own knowledge which contain wild fish and are not managed or regulated at
all. it's like they are "under the radar".



many of the places I visit in Cali-screwedup have wild populations in
streams that are stocked

it seems that the stockers go near the bridges and don't live long enough to
get that far from them. If you walk a ways you start to take wild fish,
walk further and you start take decent sized wild fish ... in streams with
general regs. My knees and ankles have gotten so painful, I don't visit
these places much ... hurts too damn much :-(( .... but they are still
there, and not that hard to find

sometimes ( not often) I think 'special regs' work against the fishery. I
remember when only the Conservancy on Silver Creek was C&R, most of the rest
2 fish 16 " min, I think. The Conservancy would be elbow to elbow, the
graphite hatch extremely heavy, Sages and Scotts flapping everywhere , but
down in the non-C&R water you'd have the place to yourself, true local
FFers, and maybe once in a long while, but rarely, a guy looking for dinner.

nothing seems to increase fishing pressure as much as 'special regs,' I
recently mentioned to a fly shop owning buddy that a certain local spot has
hatches good enough that with FF only C&R regs the fish might get big enough
and smart enough to make it really great .. his reply?. " I hope it never
happens, you wouldn't be able to find a place to park because of all the Bay
Area guys that would be there if the regs were changed." .... he has a point

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"Larry L" wrote

sometimes ( not often) I think 'special regs' work against the fishery.
I
remember when only the Conservancy on Silver Creek was C&R, most of the
rest
2 fish 16 " min, I think. The Conservancy would be elbow to elbow, the
graphite hatch extremely heavy, Sages and Scotts flapping everywhere , but
down in the non-C&R water you'd have the place to yourself, true local
FFers, and maybe once in a long while, but rarely, a guy looking for
dinner.


doh, forgot a sentence ... this one:

Now, the area that used to provide solitude is as crowded as the Conservancy
AND it's a trend that started the very year the regs changed to C&R down in
the willows, too

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Larry L wrote:

Now, the area that used to provide solitude is as crowded as the Conservancy
AND it's a trend that started the very year the regs changed to C&R down in
the willows, too

I've had some great days in the Willows in late October and November
when I've seen maybe two other fishermen. There's even some dry-fly
action, and the nymphing and streamer fishing is better than in the
summer. I suppose the fish are hungrier and they aren't pounded and
spooked all day long.

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