Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing and
trapping.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation is looking into the merits of the
case to determine what action to pursue.



The case alleges that the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife has
issued sporting licenses to convicted felons. To avoid future instances,
the plaintiffs are asking Judge Susan Reisner of the Superior Court of New
Jersey to suspend all hunting, fishing and trapping licenses until a
background check system for all license buyers is put into place.



"This is the most outrageous and blatant attack on sportsmen's rights that
we have seen in our 25-year history," said Bud Pidgeon, U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation president. "To besmirch the reputation of sportsmen by
linking us to felons is unconscionable. Sportsmen are America's greatest
conservationists, paying literally billions each year to fund fish and
wildlife programs across the country."



It is illegal in New Jersey for any convicted felon to possess or purchase a
weapon, Pidgeon said. Criminal background checks would unnecessarily delay
the issuance of a sporting license. The lawsuit even asks that fishing
license purchases require background checks.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation protects and defends America's
wildlife conservation programs and the pursuits - hunting, fishing and
trapping - that generate the money to pay for them. The U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation is responsible for public education, legal defense and
research. Its mission is accomplished through several distinct programs
coordinated to provide the most complete defense capability possible. For
more information about the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation and its
work, call (614) 888-4868 or visit its website, www.ussportsmen.org.


--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

The case alleges that the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife has
issued sporting licenses to convicted felons. To avoid future instances,
the plaintiffs are asking Judge Susan Reisner of the Superior Court of
New Jersey to suspend all hunting, fishing and trapping licenses until a
background check system for all license buyers is put into place

Aarrgghh! Liberals...these people obviously have no clue whatsoever.

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

I usually buy a multi year license and mine expires at the end of 2004. I may
try to extend it another three years but they maybe puzzled by my request. One
time i read where some biologist was advocating that fishing licenses be issued
by lottery and that was why i thought it was a good idea to buy a multi year
license.
This type of suit may also be a good reason to do it.
I take it that these anti-hunters are also anti-anglers too.

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

KEW!
"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
et...
Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing and
trapping.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation is looking into the merits of the
case to determine what action to pursue.



The case alleges that the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife has
issued sporting licenses to convicted felons. To avoid future instances,
the plaintiffs are asking Judge Susan Reisner of the Superior Court of New
Jersey to suspend all hunting, fishing and trapping licenses until a
background check system for all license buyers is put into place.



"This is the most outrageous and blatant attack on sportsmen's rights that
we have seen in our 25-year history," said Bud Pidgeon, U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation president. "To besmirch the reputation of sportsmen
by
linking us to felons is unconscionable. Sportsmen are America's greatest
conservationists, paying literally billions each year to fund fish and
wildlife programs across the country."



It is illegal in New Jersey for any convicted felon to possess or purchase
a
weapon, Pidgeon said. Criminal background checks would unnecessarily
delay
the issuance of a sporting license. The lawsuit even asks that fishing
license purchases require background checks.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation protects and defends America's
wildlife conservation programs and the pursuits - hunting, fishing and
trapping - that generate the money to pay for them. The U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation is responsible for public education, legal defense and
research. Its mission is accomplished through several distinct programs
coordinated to provide the most complete defense capability possible. For
more information about the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation and its
work, call (614) 888-4868 or visit its website, www.ussportsmen.org.


--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

A lot of us don't live there!
"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
et...
Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing and
trapping.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation is looking into the merits of the
case to determine what action to pursue.



The case alleges that the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife has
issued sporting licenses to convicted felons. To avoid future instances,
the plaintiffs are asking Judge Susan Reisner of the Superior Court of New
Jersey to suspend all hunting, fishing and trapping licenses until a
background check system for all license buyers is put into place.



"This is the most outrageous and blatant attack on sportsmen's rights that
we have seen in our 25-year history," said Bud Pidgeon, U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation president. "To besmirch the reputation of sportsmen
by
linking us to felons is unconscionable. Sportsmen are America's greatest
conservationists, paying literally billions each year to fund fish and
wildlife programs across the country."



It is illegal in New Jersey for any convicted felon to possess or purchase
a
weapon, Pidgeon said. Criminal background checks would unnecessarily
delay
the issuance of a sporting license. The lawsuit even asks that fishing
license purchases require background checks.



The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation protects and defends America's
wildlife conservation programs and the pursuits - hunting, fishing and
trapping - that generate the money to pay for them. The U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation is responsible for public education, legal defense and
research. Its mission is accomplished through several distinct programs
coordinated to provide the most complete defense capability possible. For
more information about the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation and its
work, call (614) 888-4868 or visit its website, www.ussportsmen.org.


--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0600, "Peter" slick@ golden.net wrote:

A lot of us don't live there!
"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
. net...
Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing and
snip

RantMode

For goodness sake, don't sound so apathetic about it! If something
like this happens in the most densely populated state in the US, how
long do you think it will take for "the Anti's" to target the other
49? Chances are that a good chunk of YOUR state's Wallop-Bureau funds
would end up paying for the resources needed to do investigative
background checks on people applying for fishing/hunting/trapping
licenses where YOU live. If there is one thing that the activists have
going in their favor, it is the fact that many (if not most)
outdoorsmen have a very disimpassioned stance unless something is
going to affect them directly (hence MY passionate outburst).

/RantMode

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*

Harry J aka Thundercat

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*


So do we Harry, so do we.

--
Jerry Barton
www.jerrys-world.com
"Thundercat" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0600, "Peter" slick@ golden.net wrote:

A lot of us don't live there!
"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
. net...
Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing
and
snip

RantMode

For goodness sake, don't sound so apathetic about it! If something
like this happens in the most densely populated state in the US, how
long do you think it will take for "the Anti's" to target the other
49? Chances are that a good chunk of YOUR state's Wallop-Bureau funds
would end up paying for the resources needed to do investigative
background checks on people applying for fishing/hunting/trapping
licenses where YOU live. If there is one thing that the activists have
going in their favor, it is the fact that many (if not most)
outdoorsmen have a very disimpassioned stance unless something is
going to affect them directly (hence MY passionate outburst).

/RantMode

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*

Harry J aka Thundercat

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

Amen Harry.
That previous poster is an example of why as a group we outdoors enthusiasts
are the most ineffective group compared to our numbers of all "special
interest" groups. Joe Z.

"Thundercat" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0600, "Peter" slick@ golden.net wrote:

snip
For goodness sake, don't sound so apathetic about it! If something
like this happens in the most densely populated state in the US, how
long do you think it will take for "the Anti's" to target the other
49? Chances are that a good chunk of YOUR state's Wallop-Bureau funds
would end up paying for the resources needed to do investigative
background checks on people applying for fishing/hunting/trapping
licenses where YOU live. If there is one thing that the activists have
going in their favor, it is the fact that many (if not most)
outdoorsmen have a very disimpassioned stance unless something is
going to affect them directly (hence MY passionate outburst).

/RantMode

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*

Harry J aka Thundercat

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

Well I guess this means more people are moving to the Poconos!!
You know that place, where you can walk into any WAL MART and buy a
fishing/hunting license and recieve it immediately. You don't even have to
**** in a cup or give them finger prints.

If you think that this case is gonna hold any water your insane, the NJ
govt. gets way too much money from license sales to limit or even delay the
purchase because some asswipe (is that a word?) has a hardon for the
distruction of our constitutional rights.

First I would like to see the pile of cases that they have, pending and old,
where the convicted felon killed his fishing partner with a jig and pig. I
almost took Randy's head off with a buzz bait but I have never been
convicted of anything more than telling fish lies.

It is up to the federal govt. to keep weapon sales limited to the good, law
abiding people of this country, then if a convicted felon wants to throw his
hard earned cash away on a hunting license then so be it. Thats just a few
more trash can liners that we don't have to pay for.

Anyway, It's snowing here and it sucks. I want to fish in a T-shirt.

Good fishing,

Dave V

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

We can change that ... Please people get involved. I do not live in NJ ...
I do not hunt there nor fish there ... but an animal rights victory there
will embolden them to make attempts elswhere. They are attempting to block
the constitutional amendment in PA right now ... I am sure there is some
level of anti activity in everyone's state ... hell, even in Alaska antis
are campaigning against the Girl Scouts for trapping. IN ALASKA!!

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net


"Joe" wrote in message
...
Amen Harry.
That previous poster is an example of why as a group we outdoors
enthusiasts
are the most ineffective group compared to our numbers of all "special
interest" groups. Joe Z.

"Thundercat" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0600, "Peter" slick@ golden.net wrote:

snip
For goodness sake, don't sound so apathetic about it! If something
like this happens in the most densely populated state in the US, how
long do you think it will take for "the Anti's" to target the other
49? Chances are that a good chunk of YOUR state's Wallop-Bureau funds
would end up paying for the resources needed to do investigative
background checks on people applying for fishing/hunting/trapping
licenses where YOU live. If there is one thing that the activists have
going in their favor, it is the fact that many (if not most)
outdoorsmen have a very disimpassioned stance unless something is
going to affect them directly (hence MY passionate outburst).

/RantMode

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*

Harry J aka Thundercat

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

"dvito" wrote in message ...
Well I guess this means more people are moving to the Poconos!!
You know that place, where you can walk into any WAL MART and buy a
fishing/hunting license and recieve it immediately. You don't even have to
**** in a cup or give them finger prints.

***This is the way that it should be. But there's movements all around the country to change that.
Let's face it, the outdoor way of life is under attack from groups that believe their way of living
is superior and is the way EVERYONE should live. So unless you want to take up bowling or golf, you
need to take these attacks seriously.


If you think that this case is gonna hold any water your insane, the NJ
govt. gets way too much money from license sales to limit or even delay the
purchase because some asswipe (is that a word?) has a hardon for the
distruction of our constitutional rights.

***The people of Wisconsin thought there was no way that the Federal Court System was going to
uphold the old Indian Treaties dating back to the mid 1800's either. These treaties entitled the
local Native American population to hunt and fish for sustenance. We now have a reduced bag limit
and size limits on walleyes here in the northern third of the state because a Federal Judge in
Chicago decided that the Native Americans have a greater need for the fish than sportsmen do. So,
every spring during the walleye spawning season, they crank up their floodlights, launch their boats
and proceed to take over 25,000 spawning walleyes! This is done during a time period when the
fishing season is normally closed to sportfishing. We were told that the gamefish season was closed
to protect the spawning fish. Now, the state tells us that this spearfishing take is not damaging
the fishery, yet we still cannot fish for anything but perch and bluegills in most waters from
mid-March to the first Saturday in May. And, we're allowed to take 3 walleyes (one over 14", two
under) when we used to be able to take five over 15". You think this had an impact on license
sales? I know it did and I also know that many resorts and baitshops went belly up because the
fishermen were going someplace else. Don't think that your state can be affected? Wisconsin sold
more fishing licenses than every other state than Florida, yet it happened here. Once an ANTI group
gets the ear of a federal judge, anything can happen. I'd be watching this very closely and voicing
opposition as much as possible.


First I would like to see the pile of cases that they have, pending and old,
where the convicted felon killed his fishing partner with a jig and pig. I
almost took Randy's head off with a buzz bait but I have never been
convicted of anything more than telling fish lies.

***Rational thought has no bearing on what a federal judge orders. Believe me on that. Witness the
spring spearing for "sustenance", when the casinos are pulling in millions weekly!


It is up to the federal govt. to keep weapon sales limited to the good, law
abiding people of this country, then if a convicted felon wants to throw his
hard earned cash away on a hunting license then so be it. Thats just a few
more trash can liners that we don't have to pay for.

***Not wanting to sound paranoid or like some conspiracy theory wacko, but I don't trust the federal
government to do much of anything sensible. It seems like anytime a group doesn't get the decision
they want, they keep trying until they find a judge that thinks like they do. And don't think that
personal feelings and opinions don't enter into a judge's decision. In this day of "political
correctitude", how many judges (especially elected ones) are going to admit that they hunt or fish?
Not many if they want to get re-elected.

Anyway, It's snowing here and it sucks. I want to fish in a T-shirt.

***You and me both.
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

If you think that this case is gonna hold any water your insane, the NJ
govt. gets way too much money from license sales to limit or even delay the
purchase

You must not be paying attention to what judges are doing to our "rights" in
the US right now. All it takes is a couple of flakey liberal judges and it
will be required! The elected government can't do anything about it, and the
people surely can't. That is why the dimocrats in the senate are trying so
hard to block conservative judges - they know judges control the US now.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

Sounds like NJ has as many nuts as CA :-)





I fish therefore I lie

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:40:04 GMT, Thundercat
sent into the ether:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0600, "Peter" slick@ golden.net wrote:

A lot of us don't live there!
"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
.net...
Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey



(Columbus) - Anti-hunters today filed a lawsuit against the New Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection to suspend all hunting, fishing and
snip

RantMode

For goodness sake, don't sound so apathetic about it! If something
like this happens in the most densely populated state in the US, how
long do you think it will take for "the Anti's" to target the other
49? Chances are that a good chunk of YOUR state's Wallop-Bureau funds
would end up paying for the resources needed to do investigative
background checks on people applying for fishing/hunting/trapping
licenses where YOU live. If there is one thing that the activists have
going in their favor, it is the fact that many (if not most)
outdoorsmen have a very disimpassioned stance unless something is
going to affect them directly (hence MY passionate outburst).

/RantMode

I hope nothing ever comes of this. *sigh*

Harry J aka Thundercat

I agree 100% Harry!!!

Remove the x for e-mail reply
www.outdoorfrontiers.com

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So it is no more fishing and you have to take up bowling, golf or bochi ball.
Do those sports have newsgroups..rotflmao?. Seriously i wouldn't normally say
**** if my mouth was full of it. If it was happening here i would sure as hell
would say **** and a lot more too. I don't hunt but anti types shut down the
spring bear hunt here....so anything can happen. I also notice there is a lot
more bears around here too...like 20 yards away from my fishing camp...torn up
and overturned logs. They don't like you to shoot a problem bear,,your suppose
to hire someone to relocate it. If you do shoot it...report it or the CO's will
be after you as sure as ****.

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

you should have been convicted for smacking me in the face with that
buzzbait in the dark on that stinkin weed filled lake at 5:00 a.m.
"dvito" wrote in message
...
Well I guess this means more people are moving to the Poconos!!
You know that place, where you can walk into any WAL MART and buy a
fishing/hunting license and recieve it immediately. You don't even have to
**** in a cup or give them finger prints.

If you think that this case is gonna hold any water your insane, the NJ
govt. gets way too much money from license sales to limit or even delay
the
purchase because some asswipe (is that a word?) has a hardon for the
distruction of our constitutional rights.

First I would like to see the pile of cases that they have, pending and
old,
where the convicted felon killed his fishing partner with a jig and pig. I
almost took Randy's head off with a buzz bait but I have never been
convicted of anything more than telling fish lies.

It is up to the federal govt. to keep weapon sales limited to the good,
law
abiding people of this country, then if a convicted felon wants to throw
his
hard earned cash away on a hunting license then so be it. Thats just a few
more trash can liners that we don't have to pay for.

Anyway, It's snowing here and it sucks. I want to fish in a T-shirt.

Good fishing,

Dave V

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

Ok so who are these felons that were issued a license. unpaid traffic
tickets, unpaid taxes, disoderly conduct? If they want to ensure that this
does not happen make it a requirment that you get a stamp of some sort from
the local law enforcement office. Chances are that the guy who is running
from the law or convicted for murder or child molestation will not want to
go and get the stamp. J.M.T.C
"Gone Angling" wrote in message
...
So it is no more fishing and you have to take up bowling, golf or bochi
ball.
Do those sports have newsgroups..rotflmao?. Seriously i wouldn't normally
say
**** if my mouth was full of it. If it was happening here i would sure as
hell
would say **** and a lot more too. I don't hunt but anti types shut down
the
spring bear hunt here....so anything can happen. I also notice there is a
lot
more bears around here too...like 20 yards away from my fishing
camp...torn up
and overturned logs. They don't like you to shoot a problem bear,,your
suppose
to hire someone to relocate it. If you do shoot it...report it or the CO's
will
be after you as sure as ****.

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

you should have been convicted for smacking me in the face with that
buzzbait in the dark on that stinkin weed filled lake at 5:00 a.m.

Nothing says love to your partner like a bait upside the head. ;-)

Brad Coovert, 2003 Angler of the Year, Greenfield Bassmasters
Please visit our sponsors:
http://www.geocities.com/greenfieldb...ponsorPage.htm

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If they want to ensure that this
does not happen make it a requirment that you get a stamp of some sort from
the local law enforcement office.

I disagree - that is like the silly background check for buying a gun. NO way
millions of fishermen should have to do that just so a few felons can be
stopped from buying a license. And even if you stop them from buying a license,
what is to keep them from hunting or fishing without one.

That is not the goals of the group supporting this anyway. They just want to do
anything they can to make it harder to hunt or fish.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
 

James, as Editor of Outdooors magazine, can you follow up to the group
on the facts of this suit? Perhaps a docket number or an on-line link.
Perhaps the date the suit was filed and a possible date for court
hearings?

Is there an opportunity for any friend of the court briefs (sorry I
don't know the law in NJ).

We have a few lawyers who lurk here......but now that the
knee-jerk-and-oh-my-god-how-dare-they emotions are out of the way, what
are the facts here?

Thanks

Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Suit Filed to End All Hunting, Fishing and Trapping

In New Jersey

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