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George Cleveland September 29th, 2004 01:30 AM

BWO Pattern
 
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/034852.jpg


The above fly, my version of the Fuzzball (#22 in the picture) , is
the fly I expect I'll use most on my last day on the River this year
(tomorrow). A truly simple tie.

Tail (optional)- Couple strands micro fibbets, hackle fibers or zelon.

Body- Olive thread or Olive Uni-Stretch

Wing- Dun Snowshoe Hare


Tie in the tails. Wrap body. Tie in with a couple thread wraps a tuft
of grey snowshoe hare foot fur with tips just reaching the start of
the hook bend. Then double the remainder of the tuft back over the the
body and the wing. Tie down and finish head. Trim the doubled over
wing to the same length as the bottom part of the wing (i.e. to the
start of the hook bend.) Soak with Watershed or similiar over night or
just dope it up with floatant on stream and go fishing. Works dry but
can be retrieved back "damp".

g.c.

Gary M September 29th, 2004 02:25 AM

BWO Pattern
 
George Cleveland wrote:
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/034852.jpg


The above fly, my version of the Fuzzball (#22 in the picture) , is
the fly I expect I'll use most on my last day on the River this year
(tomorrow). A truly simple tie.

Tail (optional)- Couple strands micro fibbets, hackle fibers or zelon.

Body- Olive thread or Olive Uni-Stretch

Wing- Dun Snowshoe Hare



George that looks like very productive pattern, but I am wondering why
you relate it to BWO family? It certainly could not be due to the blue
wings ;).

Joel Axelrad September 29th, 2004 02:38 AM

BWO Pattern
 
George,
Report you success or the other for your last day this season. I wish I was in
Wisc. tomarrow and Thurs.
Have a great one!

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**

George Cleveland September 29th, 2004 04:33 AM

BWO Pattern
 
On 29 Sep 2004 01:38:09 GMT, (Joel Axelrad) wrote:

George,
Report you success or the other for your last day this season. I wish I was in
Wisc. tomarrow and Thurs.
Have a great one!

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**

Thanks Joel. I will, although it may have to wait until Thursday. I
just found out my brother, who lives in Gloucester U.K., will be by
tomorrow evening and we will probably be lifting a few pints. So if I
*do* post something tomorrow night please just ignore it as I will be
too drunk to know what I'm typing.


tht

g.c.

George Cleveland September 29th, 2004 04:33 AM

BWO Pattern
 
On 29 Sep 2004 01:38:09 GMT, (Joel Axelrad) wrote:

George,
Report you success or the other for your last day this season. I wish I was in
Wisc. tomarrow and Thurs.
Have a great one!

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**

Thanks Joel. I will, although it may have to wait until Thursday. I
just found out my brother, who lives in Gloucester U.K., will be by
tomorrow evening and we will probably be lifting a few pints. So if I
*do* post something tomorrow night please just ignore it as I will be
too drunk to know what I'm typing.


tht

g.c.

George Cleveland September 29th, 2004 02:20 PM

BWO Pattern
 
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:12:16 -0700, "bruiser"
wrote:

George,

I fish a ton with a similar pattern - except I use Moose hair for the tail
and make the wing a little smaller and denser. Willi showed me the pattern
and it morphed a little at my vise. It's really effective in fast and slow
water and that's the best thing about that fly - and it's easy to spot on
the water.

bruce h

I think a "regulation" Fuzzball does have a denser wing but I've found
it to be overkill in most of the water I fish. It really is the only
dry fly style I've needed to match the smaller mayflies and caddis
(#20 and smaller) this year.


g.c.

George Cleveland September 29th, 2004 02:20 PM

BWO Pattern
 
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:12:16 -0700, "bruiser"
wrote:

George,

I fish a ton with a similar pattern - except I use Moose hair for the tail
and make the wing a little smaller and denser. Willi showed me the pattern
and it morphed a little at my vise. It's really effective in fast and slow
water and that's the best thing about that fly - and it's easy to spot on
the water.

bruce h

I think a "regulation" Fuzzball does have a denser wing but I've found
it to be overkill in most of the water I fish. It really is the only
dry fly style I've needed to match the smaller mayflies and caddis
(#20 and smaller) this year.


g.c.

Willi & Sue September 29th, 2004 02:52 PM

BWO Pattern
 
Gary M wrote:

George Cleveland wrote:

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/034852.jpg


The above fly, my version of the Fuzzball (#22 in the picture) , is
the fly I expect I'll use most on my last day on the River this year
(tomorrow). A truly simple tie.

Tail (optional)- Couple strands micro fibbets, hackle fibers or zelon.

Body- Olive thread or Olive Uni-Stretch

Wing- Dun Snowshoe Hare



George that looks like very productive pattern, but I am wondering why
you relate it to BWO family? It certainly could not be due to the blue
wings ;).



BWO's (at least out West) aren't a "family" in the scientific sense.
There are many different insects that are referred to as Blue Winged
Olives. They vary in size (usually small), color and other
characteristics. Many BWO's aren't blue or olive. To my eyes, most are
varied shades of gray.

In my part of Colorado, they range from a size 18 down to about a 26. I
have lots of effective patterns for the insects that are 18 and 20 but
when the natural insect gets below a 20, the effectiveness of the many
patterns I've tried goes way down. When the 18's are hatching, I can
fish the same fly and go from one rising fish to the next, sometimes
getting takes from each fish I present to. As the size of the natural
drops, patterns seem to become less effective (or the difficulty in
presenting them well goes up).

There's a very tiny one hatching right now on my home river. I can
generally get a fish out of each pod of feeding fish. It doesn't seem to
matter what pattern I'm using, I can even use a fly that's a couple sizes
too big. After the first fish is taken, it seems that the fish become
alerted. Although they continue to readily feed on naturals, I can see
frequents turns of fish to look at my fly that end in refusals when they
get about 6 inches to a foot away. After a single fish refuses a given fly,
they usually just ignore it in the future, not even turning to look at it
when it passes. A fly change will provoke renewed interest and with
about one out of four fly changes, resulting in a take. Then back to
ignoring.

Part of the problem, I know, is presentation. The fish are fairly hefty
and I don't like going below 6X. 7 or 8X would make for a better
presentation and result in more takes. However my experience is that
when trout are rising to tiny Mayflies or midges, of all the patterns
I've used, none are as effective as the patterns we use to represent
larger insects. Although a given pattern will take an occasional fish,
it's unusual to find a pattern that most of the feeding fish will take.
I think that when our patterns go below a size twenty, the materials we
use are
too "gross" for a good representation. Our saving grace when fishing the
small stuff, is that the trout have to eat ALOT of the insects to get a
meal and with some many feedings, the chances that they'll make a
mistake goes up.

Willi

















Willi & Sue September 29th, 2004 02:52 PM

BWO Pattern
 
Gary M wrote:

George Cleveland wrote:

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/034852.jpg


The above fly, my version of the Fuzzball (#22 in the picture) , is
the fly I expect I'll use most on my last day on the River this year
(tomorrow). A truly simple tie.

Tail (optional)- Couple strands micro fibbets, hackle fibers or zelon.

Body- Olive thread or Olive Uni-Stretch

Wing- Dun Snowshoe Hare



George that looks like very productive pattern, but I am wondering why
you relate it to BWO family? It certainly could not be due to the blue
wings ;).



BWO's (at least out West) aren't a "family" in the scientific sense.
There are many different insects that are referred to as Blue Winged
Olives. They vary in size (usually small), color and other
characteristics. Many BWO's aren't blue or olive. To my eyes, most are
varied shades of gray.

In my part of Colorado, they range from a size 18 down to about a 26. I
have lots of effective patterns for the insects that are 18 and 20 but
when the natural insect gets below a 20, the effectiveness of the many
patterns I've tried goes way down. When the 18's are hatching, I can
fish the same fly and go from one rising fish to the next, sometimes
getting takes from each fish I present to. As the size of the natural
drops, patterns seem to become less effective (or the difficulty in
presenting them well goes up).

There's a very tiny one hatching right now on my home river. I can
generally get a fish out of each pod of feeding fish. It doesn't seem to
matter what pattern I'm using, I can even use a fly that's a couple sizes
too big. After the first fish is taken, it seems that the fish become
alerted. Although they continue to readily feed on naturals, I can see
frequents turns of fish to look at my fly that end in refusals when they
get about 6 inches to a foot away. After a single fish refuses a given fly,
they usually just ignore it in the future, not even turning to look at it
when it passes. A fly change will provoke renewed interest and with
about one out of four fly changes, resulting in a take. Then back to
ignoring.

Part of the problem, I know, is presentation. The fish are fairly hefty
and I don't like going below 6X. 7 or 8X would make for a better
presentation and result in more takes. However my experience is that
when trout are rising to tiny Mayflies or midges, of all the patterns
I've used, none are as effective as the patterns we use to represent
larger insects. Although a given pattern will take an occasional fish,
it's unusual to find a pattern that most of the feeding fish will take.
I think that when our patterns go below a size twenty, the materials we
use are
too "gross" for a good representation. Our saving grace when fishing the
small stuff, is that the trout have to eat ALOT of the insects to get a
meal and with some many feedings, the chances that they'll make a
mistake goes up.

Willi

















bruiser September 29th, 2004 03:12 PM

BWO Pattern
 
George,

I fish a ton with a similar pattern - except I use Moose hair for the tail
and make the wing a little smaller and denser. Willi showed me the pattern
and it morphed a little at my vise. It's really effective in fast and slow
water and that's the best thing about that fly - and it's easy to spot on
the water.

bruce h



bruiser September 29th, 2004 03:12 PM

BWO Pattern
 
George,

I fish a ton with a similar pattern - except I use Moose hair for the tail
and make the wing a little smaller and denser. Willi showed me the pattern
and it morphed a little at my vise. It's really effective in fast and slow
water and that's the best thing about that fly - and it's easy to spot on
the water.

bruce h



Willi & Sue September 29th, 2004 03:13 PM

BWO Pattern
 
bruiser wrote:
George,

I fish a ton with a similar pattern - except I use Moose hair for the tail
and make the wing a little smaller and denser. Willi showed me the pattern
and it morphed a little at my vise. It's really effective in fast and slow
water and that's the best thing about that fly - and it's easy to spot on
the water.

bruce h



Why do you use moose hair for the tail instead of fibbets?

Willi


GaryM September 29th, 2004 04:03 PM

BWO Pattern
 
Willi & Sue wrote in
:

BWO's (at least out West) aren't a "family" in the scientific
sense. There are many different insects that are referred to as
Blue Winged Olives. They vary in size (usually small), color and
other characteristics. Many BWO's aren't blue or olive. To my
eyes, most are varied shades of gray.

snipped interesting stuff

Good info Willi. Local rivers here in the Northeast do exhibit the
same variety in size for Olives, but they do all have blue to slate
colored wings and are all olive, at least on the bottom of the
abdomen (trico duns also have olive bodies making the BWO a good
choice early in the hatch before the fish focus on the spinner fall).

There are large olives in the Spring and smaller varieties as the
season progress. The waters I fish don't see the pods of feeders you
refer to, but when there is a decent hatch going it will usually be
the choice pattern over all else on the water. Cloudy days in Vermont
about this time of year are wonderful for both olive and caddis
hatches and one of my favorite times to fish. The scenery is not too
shabby either!

George Cleveland September 30th, 2004 06:12 AM

BWO Pattern
 
On 29 Sep 2004 01:38:09 GMT, (Joel Axelrad) wrote:

George,
Report you success or the other for your last day this season. I wish I was in
Wisc. tomarrow and Thurs.
Have a great one!

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**


Hubris is usually punished, ainna?

The Fuzzball did take a few tiny fish during the early morning BWO
emergence but after that waned so did any success with my little harey
footed flies. I did catch a few decent fish. All on Pass Lakes. Here's
one of them.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035027.jpg

I fished the afternoon with a friend. He took a few on small
streamers. This was his best, a nice clean female.


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035028.jpg


While I didn't have many fish to show for my 7 hours on the water I
did get to spend time outside on what would have to be considered a
perfect Fall day. And after all, the River will still be there next
year. Hopefully so will I.

g.c.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035032.jpg



Willi & Sue September 30th, 2004 03:58 PM

BWO Pattern
 
George Cleveland wrote:


The Fuzzball did take a few tiny fish during the early morning BWO
emergence but after that waned so did any success with my little harey
footed flies. I did catch a few decent fish. All on Pass Lakes. Here's
one of them.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035027.jpg

I fished the afternoon with a friend. He took a few on small
streamers. This was his best, a nice clean female.


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035028.jpg


While I didn't have many fish to show for my 7 hours on the water I
did get to spend time outside on what would have to be considered a
perfect Fall day. And after all, the River will still be there next
year. Hopefully so will I.

g.c.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035032.jpg



Pretty fish. Too bad all your streams close so early. Brookies and Fall
seem to go together. Although Brookies are always a colorful fish, in
Fall they seem to glow.

Willi




Willi & Sue September 30th, 2004 03:58 PM

BWO Pattern
 
George Cleveland wrote:


The Fuzzball did take a few tiny fish during the early morning BWO
emergence but after that waned so did any success with my little harey
footed flies. I did catch a few decent fish. All on Pass Lakes. Here's
one of them.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035027.jpg

I fished the afternoon with a friend. He took a few on small
streamers. This was his best, a nice clean female.


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035028.jpg


While I didn't have many fish to show for my 7 hours on the water I
did get to spend time outside on what would have to be considered a
perfect Fall day. And after all, the River will still be there next
year. Hopefully so will I.

g.c.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035032.jpg



Pretty fish. Too bad all your streams close so early. Brookies and Fall
seem to go together. Although Brookies are always a colorful fish, in
Fall they seem to glow.

Willi




William Claspy September 30th, 2004 08:40 PM

BWO Pattern
 
On 9/30/04 1:12 AM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

snip

I fished the afternoon with a friend. He took a few on small
streamers. This was his best, a nice clean female.


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/035028.jpg

Mmmmmm, brookies....

Very nice, George!

Bill


bruiser October 2nd, 2004 07:57 PM

BWO Pattern
 

"Willi & Sue" wrote in message


Why do you use moose hair for the tail instead of
fibbets?


I like the way they look and float I guess, and usually just use four (two
on each side) to make a tail. Some moose hair has really pretty thin tips.
And I prefer natural materials ;-)

bruce h



George Cleveland October 3rd, 2004 02:08 AM

BWO Pattern
 
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:57:15 -0700, "bruiser"
wrote:


"Willi & Sue" wrote in message


Why do you use moose hair for the tail instead of
fibbets?



And I prefer natural materials ;-)

bruce h



As good a reason as any other.


g.c.

Willi & Sue October 3rd, 2004 01:33 PM

BWO Pattern
 
bruiser wrote:
"Willi & Sue" wrote in message


Why do you use moose hair for the tail instead of
fibbets?



And I prefer natural materials ;-)



Yeah, that's what threw me!

Willi





bruiser October 4th, 2004 02:54 PM

BWO Pattern
 
As soon as they start making artificial moose hair, I'll be all over it.

And I forgot to tell you that I wrap the abdomen with pink flashabou :-)

bruce h



bruiser October 4th, 2004 02:54 PM

BWO Pattern
 
As soon as they start making artificial moose hair, I'll be all over it.

And I forgot to tell you that I wrap the abdomen with pink flashabou :-)

bruce h




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