First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Well it was a long time coming . . .

Stuck here in Sudbury over the weekend with precious little to do
after the completion of the server upgrade. So yesterday, I wet a
line at the Vermillion river hoping for whatever. Two little bass and
one humungous strike that damn near pulled the rod out of my hands (a
northern no doubt). While fishing, I keep thinking about the
waterfall that's about 400 yards upstream. But lazy ass me stays at
the easy access and flogs away.

So now it's Sunday and with no forethought or planning, it's off to
the waterfall. Now, if I'd been a smart man, I would've been tying
clousers Saturday evening instead of watching the Roughies smack
around the Alouettes (I know at least one ROFFian whose heart was
gladdened by the thrashing). Equivalent in the No-Fun-League to
Buffalo whomping the Patsies.

Anyway, here I am at the waterfall, having done the bushwacking and
the rock outcrop crawling thing needed to get there, with no food, no
drink, few flies, one rod, one line, and a bit of tippet. I could've
taken the Loop Blue 7116 plus the rest of the gear, including most
importantly, my Rio BigBoy shooting heads. But nooooo, so little
faith had I in the outcome, that I've done nothing to prepare myself
for a positive one. This country is beautiful at this time of year
and I lambaste myself for leaving the camera behind. Note that I
don't regret the omission in the event of a fish.

From a distance, the waterfall appears to empty straight out past the
rocky point I had planned as using as my casting platform, but it
turns out that the current sweeps directly at the base of the point,
then turns into the main stem of the river. Crap! It means I'm
casting almost directly upstream, then allowing the fly to swing and
hope I don't snag up on the point. The Loop would be way better than
the St. Croix Jim Clouser 8 wt. as I'd have the reach to keep the fly
away from bank plus I could reach the slow water on the far side.

It's the most perfect looking pickerel water -- clear but tannin
stained, deep, rocky, cold, and well fed by the waterfall. I haven't
caught a pickerel in over 20 years and never on the fly. What to use?
On goes a striped bass clouser. (Fitting, a clouser fly for the
Clouser rod.) Flog, flog, flog -- learn the currents, find out the
hard way where the snags are, continually unknot the running line on
the Teeny 200. This is damn near hopeless and I'm really ****ing and
moaning about not having the Loop with me. The wind is a bitch,
blowing from my left (OK) or behind me (not OK) and at times my
backcast gets collapsed. Other times it's blowing almost straight at
me and I'm sidearming under it. Still, I'm getting decent distance
and the fly is getting down and fishing.

Snag, snag, snag. Deep water but I'm still hanging up. I've had to
straighten out the point on the hook, the dumbell eyes are now swept
back, like the wings on a jet, from all the rocks it's been pulled
across. With each hangup it get's more bedraggled. This is my only
white and yellow fly and I husband it jealously. ****, another snag
-- hell no -- it's moving! It's not fighting like a bass, it's not
thrashing like a pike -- good weight and lots of smallish vibrations
rather than big shakes. Could it be? After a minute or so, up it
comes and the unmistakeable head of a pickerel surfaces, about 20" and
around 2.5 pounds. Reach down and slip the hook with the forceps and
off he swims.

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .

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(Peter Charles) wrote:
Well it was a long time coming . . .

... but lots of fun to read about ...

Sounds like a great trip Peter, the big water and the solitude are
great, but a nice walleye is icing on the cake.

Chas
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Peter Charles wrote:

Well it was a long time coming . . .
snip

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .

Congrats. Excellent report. So what do you folks call pickerel?

JR

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Peter Charles wrote:

Well it was a long time coming . . .
snip

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .

Congrats. Excellent report. So what do you folks call pickerel?

JR

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JR writes:

So what do you folks call pickerel?

This is what I have come to understand is a pickerel - since early childhood.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fish/inf...es/cpk/cpk.htm

And this is a walleye:
http://www.cleanafish.com/cleanawalleye.html

They do not resemble each other one bit. A pickerel does have some resemblance
to a northern pike.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

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Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**

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On 04 Oct 2004 00:48:17 GMT, (Joel Axelrad) wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**


As I child in MN, I learned to call them Walleyed Pike. But at that
time MN was darn near to feeling like part of Canada as far as hunting
and fishing were concerned.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

JR wrote:

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.

(I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 06:28:59 +0200, JR wrote:

Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR

Northern Pike?

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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From: rw

Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.

I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)

Consider youself called. According to A.J. McClane's Fishermen's Encyclopedia,
the Chain Pickerel is found from Eastern Canada through the Lake Ontario
drainage sothward, east of the Appalachians to Florida, and also in the
Mississipi Valley, as far south as Texas.

IIRC, in Canuckistan they are sometimes called "jacks".


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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rw wrote in message om...
JR wrote:

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.

(I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)

Close, Esox niger (chain pickerel) and Esox americanus vermiculatus
(grass pickerel) barely make Canada with their northern ranges. Of
course, we call them chain pike and grass pike -- what else?

Peter

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rw wrote in message om...
JR wrote:

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.

(I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)

Close, Esox niger (chain pickerel) and Esox americanus vermiculatus
(grass pickerel) barely make Canada with their northern ranges. Of
course, we call them chain pike and grass pike -- what else?

Peter

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Peter Charles wrote:

Well it was a long time coming . . .
After a minute or so, up it
comes and the unmistakeable head of a pickerel surfaces, about 20" and
around 2.5 pounds. Reach down and slip the hook with the forceps and
off he swims.

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .


That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.

Willi

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

JR wrote in message ...
Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR

And before I get jumped on, the etymology of pickerel is "little
pike". :)

Some Canadian fishing writers have made it clear that our usage of
pickerel is incorrect, but still, it is part of our fishing history.
We have numerous place names with "Pickerel" in them, in reference to
Stizostedion vitreum, not Esox variants. "Walleyed pike" was probably
the original term, with walleyed meaning bulging eyes, so "walleye"
also stems from an incorrect identification. You took the front half
of "walleyed pike" and we took the back half of the name. Who's
correct? The French-Canadian term of "doré" at least has no
misinformation in it. More and more Canadian fishing TV personalities
and writers are adopting "walleye" along with calling everything on
the end of one's line, a "bait". The usage of pickerel as meaning
walleye, has largely disappeared in Southern Ontario but here in
Northern Ontario, only the visiting Yankees call it a walleye.

And since I'm still in Northern Ontario at this moment . . . . it's a
PICKEREL!!! :)))

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

JR wrote in message ...
Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR

And before I get jumped on, the etymology of pickerel is "little
pike". :)

Some Canadian fishing writers have made it clear that our usage of
pickerel is incorrect, but still, it is part of our fishing history.
We have numerous place names with "Pickerel" in them, in reference to
Stizostedion vitreum, not Esox variants. "Walleyed pike" was probably
the original term, with walleyed meaning bulging eyes, so "walleye"
also stems from an incorrect identification. You took the front half
of "walleyed pike" and we took the back half of the name. Who's
correct? The French-Canadian term of "doré" at least has no
misinformation in it. More and more Canadian fishing TV personalities
and writers are adopting "walleye" along with calling everything on
the end of one's line, a "bait". The usage of pickerel as meaning
walleye, has largely disappeared in Southern Ontario but here in
Northern Ontario, only the visiting Yankees call it a walleye.

And since I'm still in Northern Ontario at this moment . . . . it's a
PICKEREL!!! :)))

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

JR wrote in message ...
Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR

And before I get jumped on, the etymology of pickerel is "little
pike". :)

Some Canadian fishing writers have made it clear that our usage of
pickerel is incorrect, but still, it is part of our fishing history.
We have numerous place names with "Pickerel" in them, in reference to
Stizostedion vitreum, not Esox variants. "Walleyed pike" was probably
the original term, with walleyed meaning bulging eyes, so "walleye"
also stems from an incorrect identification. You took the front half
of "walleyed pike" and we took the back half of the name. Who's
correct? The French-Canadian term of "doré" at least has no
misinformation in it. More and more Canadian fishing TV personalities
and writers are adopting "walleye" along with calling everything on
the end of one's line, a "bait". The usage of pickerel as meaning
walleye, has largely disappeared in Southern Ontario but here in
Northern Ontario, only the visiting Yankees call it a walleye.

And since I'm still in Northern Ontario at this moment . . . . it's a
PICKEREL!!! :)))

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

George wrote:Consider youself called. According to A.J. McClane's Fishermen's
Encyclopedia,
the Chain Pickerel is found from Eastern Canada through the Lake Ontario
drainage sothward, east of the Appalachians to Florida, and also in the
Mississipi Valley, as far south as Texas.

IIRC, in Canuckistan they are sometimes called "jacks".


George Adams

Where I grew up in East Texas they were called jackfish.

Big Dale

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Willi & Sue wrote in message ...
Peter Charles wrote:

Well it was a long time coming . . .
After a minute or so, up it
comes and the unmistakeable head of a pickerel surfaces, about 20" and
around 2.5 pounds. Reach down and slip the hook with the forceps and
off he swims.

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .


That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.

Willi



Tell me about it, as I released the fish, all I could think of was,
"There goes lunch." If I had had a frypan and the fixin's with me,
that boy would've been fried.

BTW, I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Willi & Sue wrote in message ...
Peter Charles wrote:

Well it was a long time coming . . .
After a minute or so, up it
comes and the unmistakeable head of a pickerel surfaces, about 20" and
around 2.5 pounds. Reach down and slip the hook with the forceps and
off he swims.

Felt like a kid with his first bluegill . . . .


That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.

Willi



Tell me about it, as I released the fish, all I could think of was,
"There goes lunch." If I had had a frypan and the fixin's with me,
that boy would've been fried.

BTW, I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Peter Charles wrote:
snip
I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

That's the fun of it, isn't it - figuring out what works and doesn't? I had an
interesting time at the "secret spot" yesterday. After switching between quite a
few flies during a BWO hatch, I was casting to a pod of trout and all of them
would look at what I was casting, but wouldn't take. Then I started casting the
same fly (#22 Griffith's Gnat) to individual trout and gave them each three or
four good looks. Still no takers. Then I spotted a decent sized trout a little
closer to me by itself. The first cast gained a lot more interest than the pod
had shown, and the second produced the hook up. What that fish saw that the
others did not, I'll never know. I'd like to think it was a much smarter fish.
:)

Fun side story: When I arrived there at 9:00, the sun had yet to hit the water.
There was a guy from Boston there standing on the bank and looking at the water.
When I asked how he was doing, he told me there were *no* fish in a tone of
total disgust. I said my eyes weren't that great and I'd have to get a closer
look (knowing they just finished the autumn stocking), to which he replied he
had better-than-great vision and I could just take his word for it, as he
wandered back to his car mumbling. I saw at least a dozen fish within my first
few minutes, and dozens more after the first rays of sun hit the water. By 10:00
the fish were actively feeding just below the surface, and by 11:00 there was
active feeding at the surface on a nice hatch. The moral: If you're going to
travel several hours to fish, at least fish for a few hours before you claim
"the grapes are sour." But never *EVER* fish at the secret spot, because those
fish only reveal themselves to a chosen few. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

From: "Tim J."

But never *EVER* fish at the secret spot, because those
fish only reveal themselves to a chosen few. ;-)

And we know who they are.bseg

BTW, I didn't tell you yesterday, but the invasion may have begun. Saturday I
encountered a lovely lady from South Carolina fishing in, *gasp*, the secret
spot. How long will it take for the word to spread north and those rascals from
tons will be underfoot. At first, I thought that Laurie, ( the aforementioned
lovely lady), was indeed from tons, but when I realized she wasn't speaking in
lower case, I knew I was mistaken. G


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

Peter Charles wrote:

Tell me about it, as I released the fish, all I could think of was,
"There goes lunch." If I had had a frypan and the fixin's with me,
that boy would've been fried.

BTW, I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

Sounds like the action of a jig, the number one walleye lure I used when
I was growing up. The important (and difficult) thing is getting the
fly down to the bottom. IMO, that's what makes them so difficult to
catch on flies. Most of the year they're at depths that can't
effectively be fished with conventional fly tackle. (I'm speaking of
lakes here, I've never fished for them in a stream or river).

Willi

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:31:35 GMT, "Tim J."
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:
snip
I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

That's the fun of it, isn't it - figuring out what works and doesn't? I had an
interesting time at the "secret spot" yesterday. After switching between quite a
few flies during a BWO hatch, I was casting to a pod of trout and all of them
would look at what I was casting, but wouldn't take. Then I started casting the
same fly (#22 Griffith's Gnat) to individual trout and gave them each three or
four good looks. Still no takers. Then I spotted a decent sized trout a little
closer to me by itself. The first cast gained a lot more interest than the pod
had shown, and the second produced the hook up. What that fish saw that the
others did not, I'll never know. I'd like to think it was a much smarter fish.
:)

Nah, that ain't it.
The fly wasn't dragging that time, 'cuz you didn't have to cast as far.

hth

/daytripper (a free r.o.f.f diagnostic service ;-)

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:31:35 GMT, "Tim J."
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:
snip
I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

That's the fun of it, isn't it - figuring out what works and doesn't? I had an
interesting time at the "secret spot" yesterday. After switching between quite a
few flies during a BWO hatch, I was casting to a pod of trout and all of them
would look at what I was casting, but wouldn't take. Then I started casting the
same fly (#22 Griffith's Gnat) to individual trout and gave them each three or
four good looks. Still no takers. Then I spotted a decent sized trout a little
closer to me by itself. The first cast gained a lot more interest than the pod
had shown, and the second produced the hook up. What that fish saw that the
others did not, I'll never know. I'd like to think it was a much smarter fish.
:)

Nah, that ain't it.
The fly wasn't dragging that time, 'cuz you didn't have to cast as far.

hth

/daytripper (a free r.o.f.f diagnostic service ;-)

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Peter Charles wrote:
JR wrote in message ...

Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

Yes, all that's clear. The question was, if Canadians call walleye
pickerel, what do they call pickerel?

JR


And before I get jumped on, the etymology of pickerel is "little
pike". :)

Some Canadian fishing writers have made it clear that our usage of
pickerel is incorrect, but still, it is part of our fishing history.
We have numerous place names with "Pickerel" in them, in reference to
Stizostedion vitreum, not Esox variants. "Walleyed pike" was probably
the original term, with walleyed meaning bulging eyes,

I always thought the name wall from the white glow (wall eye) that a
Walleye's eyes get when you look at them from certain angles.

Willi

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

chain pickerel are frequently called "jack" in eastern nc...

George Adams wrote:

From: rw


Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.


I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)


Consider youself called. According to A.J. McClane's Fishermen's Encyclopedia,
the Chain Pickerel is found from Eastern Canada through the Lake Ontario
drainage sothward, east of the Appalachians to Florida, and also in the
Mississipi Valley, as far south as Texas.

IIRC, in Canuckistan they are sometimes called "jacks".

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

chain pickerel are frequently called "jack" in eastern nc...

George Adams wrote:

From: rw


Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.


I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)


Consider youself called. According to A.J. McClane's Fishermen's Encyclopedia,
the Chain Pickerel is found from Eastern Canada through the Lake Ontario
drainage sothward, east of the Appalachians to Florida, and also in the
Mississipi Valley, as far south as Texas.

IIRC, in Canuckistan they are sometimes called "jacks".

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

George Adams wrote:
From: rw


Pickerel are a southern fish. They don't range into Canada. Therefore,
the Canuckistanis have no name for them.


I'm pretty sure someone's going to call me on this.) :-)


Consider youself called. According to A.J. McClane's Fishermen's Encyclopedia,
the Chain Pickerel is found from Eastern Canada through the Lake Ontario
drainage sothward, east of the Appalachians to Florida, and also in the
Mississipi Valley, as far south as Texas.

IIRC, in Canuckistan they are sometimes called "jacks".

Nope, you don't recall correctly. Jack is just another name commonly
used for northern pike. When I was a kid in Saskatchewan, just about
everyone I knew who fished called pike jacks. Now that I am older, I
call them hammer handles, slough sharks, and snot rockets.

The small pike (pickerel) do make it into Canada, but only in very
southern regions. I would say their distribution is southern, but that
perspective may not be shared by someone from Florida. One species does
occur in the Atlantic provinces. They are not terribly abundant, and I
don't think they are in any demand as a sport fish in Canada. They do
have a variety of common names, such as grass pickerel, grass pike, mud
pike, etc., but these aren't used a whole lot since they are not a very
common sports fish.

Canadian know full well that walleye (the big perch) are not really a
member of the pike family, we just don't really give a **** and keep
calling them pickerel anyway.

Tim Lysyk

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daytripper wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:31:35 GMT, "Tim J."
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:
snip
I'm getting a sneaky hunch that PNW winter steelheading
techniques may be the ticket for these fish -- with the addition of
pulsing the swing to impart a rise and fall to the fly. Next time I
go back, it'll be with the Loop and a set of shooting heads.

That's the fun of it, isn't it - figuring out what works and
doesn't? I had an interesting time at the "secret spot" yesterday.
After switching between quite a few flies during a BWO hatch, I was
casting to a pod of trout and all of them would look at what I was
casting, but wouldn't take. Then I started casting the same fly (#22
Griffith's Gnat) to individual trout and gave them each three or
four good looks. Still no takers. Then I spotted a decent sized
trout a little closer to me by itself. The first cast gained a lot
more interest than the pod had shown, and the second produced the
hook up. What that fish saw that the others did not, I'll never
know. I'd like to think it was a much smarter fish. :)

Nah, that ain't it.
The fly wasn't dragging that time, 'cuz you didn't have to cast as
far.

I *am* much better with just the leader in the water.

/daytripper (a free r.o.f.f diagnostic service ;-)

Well, you get what you pay for, eh? :)
--
TL,
Tim
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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...

That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.


Lake resident Walleyes are usually a pretty tough target for a fly
fisherman, Stream resident Walleyes one the other hand, are actually pretty
easy in some places. On the Fox river in the Chicago far western suburbs,
I've caught them on an elk hair caddis, but most of the ones I have caught
have been dredging streamers in search of brown trout.

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

From: Tim Lysyk

Now that I am older, I
call them hammer handles, slough sharks, and snot rockets.

"Snot rockets?" ROFL



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

George Adams wrote:
From: "Tim J."

But never *EVER* fish at the secret spot, because those
fish only reveal themselves to a chosen few. ;-)

And we know who they are.bseg

What? You named the fish?

BTW, I didn't tell you yesterday, but the invasion may have begun.
Saturday I encountered a lovely lady from South Carolina fishing in,
*gasp*, the secret spot. How long will it take for the word to spread
north and those rascals from tons will be underfoot. At first, I
thought that Laurie, ( the aforementioned lovely lady), was indeed
from tons, but when I realized she wasn't speaking in lower case, I
knew I was mistaken. G

Here's the real test: Did she ping you? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2004, Joel Axelrad wrote:

Only the nutty Canadians call Walleye -
Pickerel.
A Walleye is a giant member of the perch family.
A Pickerel is a mini member of the Pike family.

There are plenty of references to the "walleyed pike" in older American
fishing literature.
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Peter Charles wrote:

The usage of pickerel as meaning
walleye, has largely disappeared in Southern Ontario but here in
Northern Ontario, only the visiting Yankees call it a walleye.

The charter boat captains on Erie still call it pickerel.

Mu
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From: "Tim J."


What? You named the fish?

The big one is "Herman".

At first, I
thought that Laurie, ( the aforementioned lovely lady), was indeed
from tons, but when I realized she wasn't speaking in lower case, I
knew I was mistaken. G

Here's the real test: Did she ping you? ;-)

No, and I didn't ping her, although the thought crossed my mind. {;-)


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

From: "Tim J."


What? You named the fish?

The big one is "Herman".

At first, I
thought that Laurie, ( the aforementioned lovely lady), was indeed
from tons, but when I realized she wasn't speaking in lower case, I
knew I was mistaken. G

Here's the real test: Did she ping you? ;-)

No, and I didn't ping her, although the thought crossed my mind. {;-)


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

First pickerel on the fly (walleye for youse 'mericuns)
 

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:26:39 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...

That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.


Lake resident Walleyes are usually a pretty tough target for a fly
fisherman, Stream resident Walleyes one the other hand, are actually pretty
easy in some places. On the Fox river in the Chicago far western suburbs,
I've caught them on an elk hair caddis, but most of the ones I have caught
have been dredging streamers in search of brown trout.


I catch them fairly frequently in the Wisconsin R. near my house. The
first one I ever hooked was such an exciting fighter that I honestly
tought I had hooked a glob of green algae instead. By the way that was
a nice fish, Peter. Its hard to catch a fish near my place that
exceeds the 14" minimum size limit. Anything bigger gets et by the
locals as soon as it cracks the legal barrier and I'm sure more than
one 13" fish gets a little chiropractic stretching done to it before
it goes on the stringer.


g.c.

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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:26:39 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...

That was a GREAT eating fish you released. Walleyes are usually a pretty
tough target for fly fishermen.


Lake resident Walleyes are usually a pretty tough target for a fly
fisherman, Stream resident Walleyes one the other hand, are actually pretty
easy in some places. On the Fox river in the Chicago far western suburbs,
I've caught them on an elk hair caddis, but most of the ones I have caught
have been dredging streamers in search of brown trout.


I catch them fairly frequently in the Wisconsin R. near my house. The
first one I ever hooked was such an exciting fighter that I honestly
tought I had hooked a glob of green algae instead. By the way that was
a nice fish, Peter. Its hard to catch a fish near my place that
exceeds the 14" minimum size limit. Anything bigger gets et by the
locals as soon as it cracks the legal barrier and I'm sure more than
one 13" fish gets a little chiropractic stretching done to it before
it goes on the stringer.


g.c.