is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Eric Winkleman wrote:
A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.

HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Eric Winkleman wrote:
A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.

It is not "news" that Shrub is a disaster for the environment
and for sportsmen. But thanks for your opinion, Richard Windsor
Dean III, or his manservant Raoul, will be along shortly to
issue the requisite newbie insults. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Eric Winkleman writes:

Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Eric Winkleman writes:

Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Eric Winkleman writes:

Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.


So how is the mighty pirate these days? Long time no chat. :)

Now to Bush, TU, and cold water fisheries. TU has never seen a resource
development project they don't like! The recent plead for money
campaign states that 40% of all waterways in America don't hold fish.
40%! Do you believe these numbers? It's sensationalism at it's finest.
If people would learn to actually study the facts and quit relying on
op-ed pieces from TU or any other source, we might stand a better chance
at really understanding the issues. Bush hasn't been the best from an
environmental standpoint, but he hasn't been the worst.

To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue. I've
personally never seen so many waterways in the west in such fine shape.
Oh wait. The drought has caused problems with many rivers, but that
isn't a result of any current policies implemented by Bush. We should
be excited, as a nation, that the riverways continue to improve every
year.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

"Eric Winkleman" wrote

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't have that
permission... ) fly shop owner and very active conservationist in trout
stream protection, "Besides sending a check to the right groups, what can I
do, as an individual, to help protect this area's trout streams and
ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."



Says a lot to me, in one of the most Republican states there is, and from
people that have no visible history of partisanship in their efforts to
protect some great fisheries, but do have good access to knowledge of the
sneaky changes being made in policies that affect all public lands.


brought my own soapbox, as there is apparently a shortage around here ? G

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

"Eric Winkleman" wrote

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't have that
permission... ) fly shop owner and very active conservationist in trout
stream protection, "Besides sending a check to the right groups, what can I
do, as an individual, to help protect this area's trout streams and
ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."



Says a lot to me, in one of the most Republican states there is, and from
people that have no visible history of partisanship in their efforts to
protect some great fisheries, but do have good access to knowledge of the
sneaky changes being made in policies that affect all public lands.


brought my own soapbox, as there is apparently a shortage around here ? G

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Larry L wrote:
"Eric Winkleman" wrote

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Says a lot to me, in one of the most Republican states there is,

There - that seals it! If you come to Massachusetts and a fine
upstanding Republican (I happen to know one or two if you're interested)
tells you things, does that carry more weight 'cause they're in one of
the most Democrat states?

and
from people that have no visible history of partisanship in their
efforts to protect some great fisheries, but do have good access to
knowledge of the sneaky changes being made in policies that affect
all public lands.

.. . . and couldn't POSSIBLY have a political leaning one way or the
other, right?

brought my own soapbox, as there is apparently a shortage around here
? G

Hell, if everyone keeps bringing their own, the shortage is rather moot,
eh? I propose a "soapbox max limit" for roff.
--
TL,
Tim
(maybe a max limit of zero would be appropriate)
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Larry L wrote:
"Eric Winkleman" wrote

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Says a lot to me, in one of the most Republican states there is,

There - that seals it! If you come to Massachusetts and a fine
upstanding Republican (I happen to know one or two if you're interested)
tells you things, does that carry more weight 'cause they're in one of
the most Democrat states?

and
from people that have no visible history of partisanship in their
efforts to protect some great fisheries, but do have good access to
knowledge of the sneaky changes being made in policies that affect
all public lands.

.. . . and couldn't POSSIBLY have a political leaning one way or the
other, right?

brought my own soapbox, as there is apparently a shortage around here
? G

Hell, if everyone keeps bringing their own, the shortage is rather moot,
eh? I propose a "soapbox max limit" for roff.
--
TL,
Tim
(maybe a max limit of zero would be appropriate)
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

"Tim J." wrote

both good points, you can be surrounded by idiots without being one, and
it's possible, maybe necessary, to hide one's thoughts if business is at
risk ( Warren would never shop there again if he knew who I'm talking about
:-), but it surprised the hell out of me, at the time

looks like I carted that damn soapbox around to little effect, I have to
admit the post proved nothing

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected. :)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected. :)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.

Willi

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.

Willi

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

bouncer wrote:

To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue. I've
personally never seen so many waterways in the west in such fine shape.
Oh wait. The drought has caused problems with many rivers, but that
isn't a result of any current policies implemented by Bush. We should
be excited, as a nation, that the riverways continue to improve every
year.

That is flat wrong. It depends, of course, on what waterways you've seen
and for how long you've seen them. For example, the Bush administration
fighting efforts to restore the salmon and steelhead runs in the Pacific
Northwest. Their court-ordered draft federal salmon plan rewrite is a
joke. Fortunately, it's getting lots of opposition from Congress,
fishing communities, tribes, businesses, and the press.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

bouncer wrote:

Eric Winkleman writes:


Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.



So how is the mighty pirate these days? Long time no chat. :)

Haven't heard from you either!

Bush hasn't been the best from an
environmental standpoint, but he hasn't been the worst.

Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.


To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue.

I think you're the one that needs to research Bush's and his Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton's record on environment protection as a
whole (ie look at their attempts to repeal and weaken the Clean
Water Act and the Clean Air Act) as well as their free market approach
to OUR National lands (ie the ONLY value our National lands have are
the money that they can generate).

Willi

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

bouncer wrote:

Eric Winkleman writes:


Apparently Trout Unlimited says

TU sux.



So how is the mighty pirate these days? Long time no chat. :)

Haven't heard from you either!

Bush hasn't been the best from an
environmental standpoint, but he hasn't been the worst.

Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.


To the original poster. Do your homework on this issue.

I think you're the one that needs to research Bush's and his Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton's record on environment protection as a
whole (ie look at their attempts to repeal and weaken the Clean
Water Act and the Clean Air Act) as well as their free market approach
to OUR National lands (ie the ONLY value our National lands have are
the money that they can generate).

Willi

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

bouncer wrote:

Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance.

I agree with this and want to see continued improvement. The biggest
part of the improvement in our fisheries in my lifetime was do to the
establishment of the Clean Water Act. Before it was instituted, the
rivers and streams in Illinois where I grew up were literally sewers in
many cases. Do some research on Bush's position on The Clean Water Act
and what he's tried to do to weaken and/or repeal it.

Willi

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:29 -0600, bouncer
wrote:


This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected. :)

Now *there's* an excellent example of people who read op-ed pieces and take
the info verbatim...

/daytripper (real nice work there ;-)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:29 -0600, bouncer
wrote:


This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my
opinion.

This summer I asked a well known ( I'd like to say who, but don't
have that permission... ) fly shop owner and very active
conservationist in trout stream protection, "Besides sending a check
to the right groups, what can I do, as an individual, to help protect
this area's trout streams and ecology."

Without hesitation the answer came, "Work to get Bush out of office."

Well, if one person in a fly shop said it then it MUST be true. ;-)

Perhaps he is talking about Craig Matthews and Blue Ribbon Flies? Craig
is a great guy and has a terrific shop. I could probably go into 50
other shops in Montana and Idaho and find the same type of response. I
can't blame most of these guys. They need to preserve the cold water
fisheries for their shops to survive. They read op-ed pieces that
indicate Bush is Satan and they take the info verbatim. Ask most shop
owners about the history of the watersheds they support and most won't
have a clue about the state of the fishery in the early 1900's. The
fact that the fisheries are in better shape and continue to improve has
little significance on their stance. Of course they might change their
minds after Kerry taxes the **** out of him if he is elected. :)

Now *there's* an excellent example of people who read op-ed pieces and take
the info verbatim...

/daytripper (real nice work there ;-)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:52 -0600, Willi & Sue
wrote:


Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.

Absolutely correct - he isn't. But he isn't an enemy of them, either.
Last I checked, it isn't in the job description, and the same document
provides for no right(s) as to folks being able to fish on public
waters. The fact that it is available is much like a driver's license,
a hunting license, etc. - a privilege.

TC,
R

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:52 -0600, Willi & Sue
wrote:


Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.

Absolutely correct - he isn't. But he isn't an enemy of them, either.
Last I checked, it isn't in the job description, and the same document
provides for no right(s) as to folks being able to fish on public
waters. The fact that it is available is much like a driver's license,
a hunting license, etc. - a privilege.

TC,
R

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:50:06 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:52 -0600, Willi & Sue
wrote:


Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.

Absolutely correct - he isn't. But he isn't an enemy of them, either.
Last I checked, it isn't in the job description, and the same document
provides for no right(s) as to folks being able to fish on public
waters. The fact that it is available is much like a driver's license,
a hunting license, etc. - a privilege.

TC,
R


http://www.johnkerry.com/communities...lofrights.html


And while we're on the subject.


http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote...=166434&page=4


I think we should send all the Swift Boat Vets for Truth jars of
Metamucil since they are obviously full of ****.



g.c.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Any fly-angler who gets unduly upset about an innapropriately placed bush
would be better advised to take up golf.

TL
MC

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

I think you're the one that needs to research Bush's and his Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton's record on environment protection as a
whole (ie look at their attempts to repeal and weaken the Clean
Water Act and the Clean Air Act) as well as their free market approach
to OUR National lands (ie the ONLY value our National lands have are
the money that they can generate).


Good to see you Willi.

I'm not going to defend Bush, Kerry or Barney on enviornmental issues.
I just want people to research the facts from all sites, including the
EPA, FS, BLM, and state health department issues. Take a look at the
discharge and remediation laws associated with many sites that are so
called un-friendly to the environment.

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

Fly Rod & Reel magazine published an article on Bush's environmental
record by Ted Williams, the environmental writer, in an issue about
six months ago. It's the issue with Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf on
the cover.

The current issue of Fly Fisherman magazine has an article on Bush's
environmental record by Ralph Cutter, who with his wife runs a fly
fishing school in California.

vince

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

In article ,
wrote:


You're still voting for Bush though, right? :-)

Warren, I m sure you are correct in that, RW would never go back
on the great compromise worked out at the clave to end political
disagreement on Roff.
Tho when do you start your " Sensitivity classes" as that was the
other half of the bargain?

MT

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.


Yeah, but this is ROFF!

--riverman
(now, what was the question??)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:

Eric Winkleman wrote:

A buddy of mine and I were talking and he was telling me Bush was more
of a " dig your own bass pond on your ranch" kind of guy, and not a
guy concerned with coldwater fisheries.

Apparently Trout Unlimited says the same thing. Also I have noticed
that Bush has had very unfriendly moves on part of the national
forests , western cutthroat and the rare bull trout.

This is pretty unsettling news, just thought I would voice my opinion.


HEY! We have enough of the regulars here stirring up this kind of
political bull****, and we're running low on soapboxes. ;-)


It does seem like the guy might be a troll but it also seems to me that
a candidate's stance on the environment, especially as it pertains to
fisheries, couldn't be more on topic for a fishing group.


Yeah, but this is ROFF!

--riverman
(now, what was the question??)

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On 15 Oct 2004 15:23:43 -0700, (katie star)
wrote:

wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:52 -0600, Willi & Sue
wrote:


Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.

Absolutely correct - he isn't. But he isn't an enemy of them, either.
Last I checked, it isn't in the job description, and the same document
provides for no right(s) as to folks being able to fish on public
waters. The fact that it is available is much like a driver's license,
a hunting license, etc. - a privilege.

Bush isnt a enemy? You are very ignorant.

Yeah, but I'm younger, ric...oh, screw it - why don't you just call
"gcameron" and make an appointment to go **** a goat...

is Bush anti- fly fishing?
 

On 15 Oct 2004 15:23:43 -0700, (katie star)
wrote:

wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:52 -0600, Willi & Sue
wrote:


Bush is NOT a friend of our fisheries.

Absolutely correct - he isn't. But he isn't an enemy of them, either.
Last I checked, it isn't in the job description, and the same document
provides for no right(s) as to folks being able to fish on public
waters. The fact that it is available is much like a driver's license,
a hunting license, etc. - a privilege.

Bush isnt a enemy? You are very ignorant.

Yeah, but I'm younger, ric...oh, screw it - why don't you just call
"gcameron" and make an appointment to go **** a goat...