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It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like
many cliches, it contains an element of truth. I was privileged to observe one of the masters of fly fishing presentation, ROFF's own Dave LaCourse, demonstrating his subtle knowledge on the famous Kiddie Hole of the San Juan River in New Mexico. Dave was gracious enough, in his characteristic, self effacing manner, to allow me to capture one photograph that clearly shows two major no-nos of presentation. Please examine the photo carefully: http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/****heel.jpg The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. Doing so will inevitably result in the loss of a football, within five seconds of hookup at most. Dave would have hooked up with a football on the very next cast, but he was fishing the Kiddie Hole, which is known for it's quantity of beat up fish, and not it's quality, footballwise. The second major no-no, which might not be immediately obvious to a newbie flyfishing tyro, is that you should not twist your flyline into a grotesque snarl. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how Dave managed to do this. Perhaps he was preparing for a left-handed snake-roll spey cast. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:12:25 -0600, rw
wrote: It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like many cliches, it contains an element of truth. I was privileged to observe one of the masters of fly fishing presentation, ROFF's own Dave LaCourse, demonstrating his subtle knowledge on the famous Kiddie Hole of the San Juan River in New Mexico. Dave was gracious enough, in his characteristic, self effacing manner, to allow me to capture one photograph that clearly shows two major no-nos of presentation. Please examine the photo carefully: http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/****heel.jpg The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. Doing so will inevitably result in the loss of a football, within five seconds of hookup at most. Dave would have hooked up with a football on the very next cast, but he was fishing the Kiddie Hole, which is known for it's quantity of beat up fish, and not it's quality, footballwise. The second major no-no, which might not be immediately obvious to a newbie flyfishing tyro, is that you should not twist your flyline into a grotesque snarl. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how Dave managed to do this. Perhaps he was preparing for a left-handed snake-roll spey cast. Well, all I can say is that he doesn't look all that fat...what, is he smarter, richer, better-looking, and doesn't suffer from penis envy? And for the record - archive it, print it out, and write it your diary - I'd out-fish, out-think, out-smart, out-****, out-drink, out-wiseass, and out-just-about-everything-else-I'd-desire-to-outdo-you on my WORST day, and I know folks that are better fishers/casters than you or I will ever hope to be, but they aren't pompous Hemingwannabes, and they'd be the first to acknowledge they've had train wrecks that makes this single picture of Dave look like the poster for how to cast. But by all means, hang yer silly, narrow ass out a little further over the edge...and note to Warren - you really had to ask why I give the ol' Mayor of Ketchum, Jr, a hard time here on ROFF? HTH, R ....and really, man, surely in Idaho there's a 12-step program for those with a potato-snorting problem... |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:43:10 -0600, rw
wrote: wrote: Well, all I can say is that he doesn't look all that fat...what, is he smarter, richer, better-looking, and doesn't suffer from penis envy? And for the record - archive it, print it out, and write it your diary - I'd out-fish, out-think, out-smart, out-****, out-drink, out-wiseass, and out-just-about-everything-else-I'd-desire-to-outdo-you on my WORST day, and I know folks that are better fishers/casters than you or I will ever hope to be, but they aren't pompous Hemingwannabes, and they'd be the first to acknowledge they've had train wrecks that makes this single picture of Dave look like the poster for how to cast. But by all means, hang yer silly, narrow ass out a little further over the edge...and note to Warren - you really had to ask why I give the ol' Mayor of Ketchum, Jr, a hard time here on ROFF? HTH, R ...and really, man, surely in Idaho there's a 12-step program for those with a potato-snorting problem... Believe it or not, Dickie-Poo, I appreciate the sentiment. Well, then, if that has even a grain of seriousness, be a man, admit you ****ed up, apologize and mean it, and get on down the road. HTH - really R, er, Dickie-Poo... BTW, he's really fat. He's fat in a way that transcends mere weight. You must understand that. Nope, sorry, but then again, at this point, I'm not really interested in trying to do so... |
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rw wrote:
The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod. It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world does not seem to help. ;-( Russell |
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"Russell D." wrote in message ... rw wrote: The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod. It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world does not seem to help. ;-( Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. The only thing I hate worse than that is when the line flips over the tiptpop in such a way that it makes it look like I somehow miraculously unstrung the top guide, wrapped the line around the tip, then restrung it. Hey, we're all human, some of us more so. --riverman |
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Riverman wrote:Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on
the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. The only thing I hate worse than that is when the line flips over the tiptpop in such a way that it makes it look like I somehow miraculously unstrung the top guide, wrapped the line around the tip, then restrung it. Hey, we're all human, some of us more so. --riverman I thought that was normal. That has been happening to me for over 5 decades now. Big Dale |
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Russell D. wrote:
rw wrote: The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod. It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world does not seem to help. ;-( Exactly. Anyone who *hasn't* ended up with this mess from time to time isn't fly fishing. How deep are you digging this hole, Steve? -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Russell D. wrote:
rw wrote: The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod. I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod. It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world does not seem to help. ;-( Exactly. Anyone who *hasn't* ended up with this mess from time to time isn't fly fishing. How deep are you digging this hole, Steve? -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
...... Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks. As chance would have it, I checked Traver's Trout Magic out of the Bend public library yesterday and read again last night (talking about a fishing buddy with whom he had nothing in common outside the realm of fishing, but about fishing had exactly the same ideas): In saying this I don't mean to imply that our way is the only way, or the better way, or the more virtuous way, or the flower-strewn way to catching more fish or having more fun. Not even faintly. All I am trying to say is that we curious fisherfolk fish for many things in many ways; that we quickly spot any kindred souls, and that this mutual shock of recognition forms a powerful, forgiving bond even if in other areas we may be poles apart. "Forgiving bond." I like that. JR |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
...... Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks. As chance would have it, I checked Traver's Trout Magic out of the Bend public library yesterday and read again last night (talking about a fishing buddy with whom he had nothing in common outside the realm of fishing, but about fishing had exactly the same ideas): In saying this I don't mean to imply that our way is the only way, or the better way, or the more virtuous way, or the flower-strewn way to catching more fish or having more fun. Not even faintly. All I am trying to say is that we curious fisherfolk fish for many things in many ways; that we quickly spot any kindred souls, and that this mutual shock of recognition forms a powerful, forgiving bond even if in other areas we may be poles apart. "Forgiving bond." I like that. JR |
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First, allow me to note that the photo of Dave is a pleasant one, albeit not a
Lefty Kreh moment, but a photo of a man enjoying himself astream. Steve would seem to think that this photo enlightens on some level regarding ability/skill, but I have no clue why it should. Let me meet the angler here, or anywhere, who doesn't have some less-than-graceful moments.... As for this entire, tacky discourse regarding Dave, Warren, the San Juan, etc, I still see no reason for it. As wayno puts it more eloquently, none of us is on the verge of perfection, so why cast stones? As for Warren, it was positively great to see him at Penn's, and for Dave to help make it possible. I am sorry for any hardship upon Warren, but he is young and will make out just fine in the long run, and I doubt his "bitching" about finances was all THAT serious. As for Steve repeating it, and making these attacks on LaCourse, it would seem we have yet another volunteer in the "I'll prove myself to be a real dick" club on ROFF. The San Juan would seem typical of a lot of tailwaters, but I haven't fished it so cannot venture an opinion. Still, dissecting how newcomers fish it at first is far from enlightening....one would think that if Steve B is an expert, he would share the expertise, or at least gracefully allow others to learn in their own fashion. Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks. Tom |
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rw wrote in news:41733145$0$28254
: It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like many cliches, it contains an element of truth. Let's see. Dave was fishing, and enjoying the water. You were snapping a photo with mean-spirited intentions. Who are those thousand words about? Scott |
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rw wrote in news:41733145$0$28254
: It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like many cliches, it contains an element of truth. Let's see. Dave was fishing, and enjoying the water. You were snapping a photo with mean-spirited intentions. Who are those thousand words about? Scott |
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I'm guilty as charged. Had my line wrapped around the butt. Hate it when that
happens, but it's better than having it wrap around the tip. d;o( What is *really* bad is when I fish naked - I've done it at penns a few times - and the fly line wraps around my little dick. I mean, *that* is a sight to behold. Makes ya wanna give up the sport. Makes ya wanna run into the woods screaming all the way. Makes ya wanna sit down on the river bank and cry "Mama". |
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I'm guilty as charged. Had my line wrapped around the butt. Hate it when that
happens, but it's better than having it wrap around the tip. d;o( What is *really* bad is when I fish naked - I've done it at penns a few times - and the fly line wraps around my little dick. I mean, *that* is a sight to behold. Makes ya wanna give up the sport. Makes ya wanna run into the woods screaming all the way. Makes ya wanna sit down on the river bank and cry "Mama". |
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riverman wrote:
Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad of line halts at the first guide. However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast. Willi |
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Willi writes:
However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering "Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I know what the truth is. |
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Willi writes:
However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering "Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I know what the truth is. |
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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message ... riverman wrote: Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad of line halts at the first guide. However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast. Willi I must be ultra talented then! I can manage to not only get the line wrapped around the butt on a cast , I can usually, simultaneously get a section of line to flip aver the rod between the first guide and the cork and then pull up tight, snagging on the hook-keeper. Periodiacally I can also do a line wrap around the ankle during the same cast- this however is much more difficult to control and should not be attempted by the casual observer. jh |
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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message ... riverman wrote: Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad of line halts at the first guide. However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast. Willi I must be ultra talented then! I can manage to not only get the line wrapped around the butt on a cast , I can usually, simultaneously get a section of line to flip aver the rod between the first guide and the cork and then pull up tight, snagging on the hook-keeper. Periodiacally I can also do a line wrap around the ankle during the same cast- this however is much more difficult to control and should not be attempted by the casual observer. jh |
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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message ... riverman wrote: Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad of line halts at the first guide. However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast. 'Any' as is "any"? g You're right about letting ago. For example, if he had just stripped in a lot of line, then raised his tip up (like to change flies, as stated in the other thread), then lowered it and the line was crossed over beneath his hand, and he hadn't made his first false cast to straighten it out. Been there, done that. The real question, however, is is he wearing a wire? --riverman |
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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message ... riverman wrote: Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a change of saving my tippet. I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad of line halts at the first guide. However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast. 'Any' as is "any"? g You're right about letting ago. For example, if he had just stripped in a lot of line, then raised his tip up (like to change flies, as stated in the other thread), then lowered it and the line was crossed over beneath his hand, and he hadn't made his first false cast to straighten it out. Been there, done that. The real question, however, is is he wearing a wire? --riverman |
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Y'know Stephen, I usually can't be bothered with ROFF ****ing
contests, but this post of yours is truly pathetic. Did you seriously think it would rally people to your cause -- whatever it is? Everybody does this sort of thing, unless of course, they spend all their days fishing behind the keyboard of a computer. |
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Y'know Stephen, I usually can't be bothered with ROFF ****ing
contests, but this post of yours is truly pathetic. Did you seriously think it would rally people to your cause -- whatever it is? Everybody does this sort of thing, unless of course, they spend all their days fishing behind the keyboard of a computer. |
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Richard writes:
giant snip If you guys just have to trash each other personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends, Metamucil, Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar. Works for me. |
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Richard writes:
giant snip If you guys just have to trash each other personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends, Metamucil, Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar. Works for me. |
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"Tim J." wrote in message news:qcNcd.490749$8_6.183085@attbi_s04...
How deep are you digging this hole, Steve? I do believe the boy is trying to reach Asia. Wayne Man is sucks having to use google for this at work, no telling what's transpired in the past eight hours on this baby! |
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"Tim J." wrote in message news:qcNcd.490749$8_6.183085@attbi_s04...
How deep are you digging this hole, Steve? I do believe the boy is trying to reach Asia. Wayne Man is sucks having to use google for this at work, no telling what's transpired in the past eight hours on this baby! |
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You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch. I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF and put in some off-water practice hours! Thank you for that hallucinatory moment. -- Frank Reid Reverse Email to reply |
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You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch. I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF and put in some off-water practice hours! Thank you for that hallucinatory moment. -- Frank Reid Reverse Email to reply |
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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message ... You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch. I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF and put in some off-water practice hours! Jon. -tom |
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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message ... You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch. I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF and put in some off-water practice hours! Jon. -tom |
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wrote To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other topics. Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as affecting future 'claves, you got *that* right. off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience about casting, etc. obroff: that's "self-conscious", you illiterate tejan buffoon!!! ;) yfitons wayno |
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wrote To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other topics. Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as affecting future 'claves, you got *that* right. off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience about casting, etc. obroff: that's "self-conscious", you illiterate tejan buffoon!!! ;) yfitons wayno |
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