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rw October 18th, 2004 04:12 AM

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It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like
many cliches, it contains an element of truth.

I was privileged to observe one of the masters of fly fishing
presentation, ROFF's own Dave LaCourse, demonstrating his subtle
knowledge on the famous Kiddie Hole of the San Juan River in New Mexico.
Dave was gracious enough, in his characteristic, self effacing manner,
to allow me to capture one photograph that clearly shows two major
no-nos of presentation. Please examine the photo carefully:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/****heel.jpg

The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has
flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never
allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod.
Doing so will inevitably result in the loss of a football, within five
seconds of hookup at most. Dave would have hooked up with a football on
the very next cast, but he was fishing the Kiddie Hole, which is known
for it's quantity of beat up fish, and not it's quality, footballwise.

The second major no-no, which might not be immediately obvious to a
newbie flyfishing tyro, is that you should not twist your flyline into a
grotesque snarl. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how Dave managed
to do this. Perhaps he was preparing for a left-handed snake-roll spey cast.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 04:25 AM

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:12:25 -0600, rw
wrote:

It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like
many cliches, it contains an element of truth.

I was privileged to observe one of the masters of fly fishing
presentation, ROFF's own Dave LaCourse, demonstrating his subtle
knowledge on the famous Kiddie Hole of the San Juan River in New Mexico.
Dave was gracious enough, in his characteristic, self effacing manner,
to allow me to capture one photograph that clearly shows two major
no-nos of presentation. Please examine the photo carefully:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/****heel.jpg

The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has
flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never
allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod.
Doing so will inevitably result in the loss of a football, within five
seconds of hookup at most. Dave would have hooked up with a football on
the very next cast, but he was fishing the Kiddie Hole, which is known
for it's quantity of beat up fish, and not it's quality, footballwise.

The second major no-no, which might not be immediately obvious to a
newbie flyfishing tyro, is that you should not twist your flyline into a
grotesque snarl. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how Dave managed
to do this. Perhaps he was preparing for a left-handed snake-roll spey cast.


Well, all I can say is that he doesn't look all that fat...what, is he
smarter, richer, better-looking, and doesn't suffer from penis envy?

And for the record - archive it, print it out, and write it your diary -
I'd out-fish, out-think, out-smart, out-****, out-drink, out-wiseass,
and out-just-about-everything-else-I'd-desire-to-outdo-you on my WORST
day, and I know folks that are better fishers/casters than you or I will
ever hope to be, but they aren't pompous Hemingwannabes, and they'd be
the first to acknowledge they've had train wrecks that makes this single
picture of Dave look like the poster for how to cast.

But by all means, hang yer silly, narrow ass out a little further over
the edge...and note to Warren - you really had to ask why I give the ol'
Mayor of Ketchum, Jr, a hard time here on ROFF?

HTH,
R
....and really, man, surely in Idaho there's a 12-step program for those
with a potato-snorting problem...

rw October 18th, 2004 04:43 AM

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wrote:

Well, all I can say is that he doesn't look all that fat...what, is he
smarter, richer, better-looking, and doesn't suffer from penis envy?

And for the record - archive it, print it out, and write it your diary -
I'd out-fish, out-think, out-smart, out-****, out-drink, out-wiseass,
and out-just-about-everything-else-I'd-desire-to-outdo-you on my WORST
day, and I know folks that are better fishers/casters than you or I will
ever hope to be, but they aren't pompous Hemingwannabes, and they'd be
the first to acknowledge they've had train wrecks that makes this single
picture of Dave look like the poster for how to cast.

But by all means, hang yer silly, narrow ass out a little further over
the edge...and note to Warren - you really had to ask why I give the ol'
Mayor of Ketchum, Jr, a hard time here on ROFF?

HTH,
R
...and really, man, surely in Idaho there's a 12-step program for those
with a potato-snorting problem...


Believe it or not, Dickie-Poo, I appreciate the sentiment.

BTW, he's really fat. He's fat in a way that transcends mere weight. You
must understand that.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 04:47 AM

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:43:10 -0600, rw
wrote:

wrote:

Well, all I can say is that he doesn't look all that fat...what, is he
smarter, richer, better-looking, and doesn't suffer from penis envy?

And for the record - archive it, print it out, and write it your diary -
I'd out-fish, out-think, out-smart, out-****, out-drink, out-wiseass,
and out-just-about-everything-else-I'd-desire-to-outdo-you on my WORST
day, and I know folks that are better fishers/casters than you or I will
ever hope to be, but they aren't pompous Hemingwannabes, and they'd be
the first to acknowledge they've had train wrecks that makes this single
picture of Dave look like the poster for how to cast.

But by all means, hang yer silly, narrow ass out a little further over
the edge...and note to Warren - you really had to ask why I give the ol'
Mayor of Ketchum, Jr, a hard time here on ROFF?

HTH,
R
...and really, man, surely in Idaho there's a 12-step program for those
with a potato-snorting problem...


Believe it or not, Dickie-Poo, I appreciate the sentiment.


Well, then, if that has even a grain of seriousness, be a man, admit you
****ed up, apologize and mean it, and get on down the road.

HTH - really
R, er, Dickie-Poo...

BTW, he's really fat. He's fat in a way that transcends mere weight. You
must understand that.


Nope, sorry, but then again, at this point, I'm not really interested in
trying to do so...


Russell D. October 18th, 2004 05:42 AM

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rw wrote:


The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has
flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never
allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod.


I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod.
It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world
does not seem to help. ;-(

Russell

riverman October 18th, 2004 09:37 AM

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"Russell D." wrote in message
...
rw wrote:


The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who has
flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should never
allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of the rod.


I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod. It
just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the world does
not seem to help. ;-(


Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.

The only thing I hate worse than that is when the line flips over the
tiptpop in such a way that it makes it look like I somehow miraculously
unstrung the top guide, wrapped the line around the tip, then restrung it.

Hey, we're all human, some of us more so.

--riverman



Big Dale October 18th, 2004 10:42 AM

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Riverman wrote:Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on
the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.

The only thing I hate worse than that is when the line flips over the
tiptpop in such a way that it makes it look like I somehow miraculously
unstrung the top guide, wrapped the line around the tip, then restrung it.

Hey, we're all human, some of us more so.

--riverman

I thought that was normal. That has been happening to me for over 5 decades
now.

Big Dale



Tim J. October 18th, 2004 11:48 AM

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Russell D. wrote:
rw wrote:

The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who
has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should
never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of
the rod.


I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod.
It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the
world does not seem to help. ;-(


Exactly. Anyone who *hasn't* ended up with this mess from time to time isn't fly
fishing.

How deep are you digging this hole, Steve?
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Tim J. October 18th, 2004 11:48 AM

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Russell D. wrote:
rw wrote:

The first no-no, which should be immediately obvious to anyone who
has flyfished more than once in his or her life, is that you should
never allow the flyline to wrap itself around the butt section of
the rod.


I never *allow* my fly line to wrap around the butt section of my rod.
It just goes ahead and does it sometimes. All the scolding in the
world does not seem to help. ;-(


Exactly. Anyone who *hasn't* ended up with this mess from time to time isn't fly
fishing.

How deep are you digging this hole, Steve?
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



JR October 18th, 2004 12:11 PM

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Tom Littleton wrote:
...... Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert
pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or
wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks.


As chance would have it, I checked Traver's Trout Magic out of the Bend
public library yesterday and read again last night (talking about a
fishing buddy with whom he had nothing in common outside the realm of
fishing, but about fishing had exactly the same ideas):

In saying this I don't mean to imply that our way is the only way, or the
better way, or the more virtuous way, or the flower-strewn way to
catching more fish or having more fun. Not even faintly. All I am trying
to say is that we curious fisherfolk fish for many things in many ways;
that we quickly spot any kindred souls, and that this mutual shock of
recognition forms a powerful, forgiving bond even if in other areas we
may be poles apart.

"Forgiving bond." I like that.

JR


JR October 18th, 2004 12:11 PM

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Tom Littleton wrote:
...... Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert
pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or
wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks.


As chance would have it, I checked Traver's Trout Magic out of the Bend
public library yesterday and read again last night (talking about a
fishing buddy with whom he had nothing in common outside the realm of
fishing, but about fishing had exactly the same ideas):

In saying this I don't mean to imply that our way is the only way, or the
better way, or the more virtuous way, or the flower-strewn way to
catching more fish or having more fun. Not even faintly. All I am trying
to say is that we curious fisherfolk fish for many things in many ways;
that we quickly spot any kindred souls, and that this mutual shock of
recognition forms a powerful, forgiving bond even if in other areas we
may be poles apart.

"Forgiving bond." I like that.

JR


Tom Littleton October 18th, 2004 12:40 PM

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First, allow me to note that the photo of Dave is a pleasant one, albeit not a
Lefty Kreh moment, but a photo of a man enjoying himself astream. Steve would
seem to think that this photo enlightens on some level regarding ability/skill,
but I have no clue why it should. Let me meet the angler here, or anywhere, who
doesn't have some less-than-graceful moments....
As for this entire, tacky discourse regarding Dave, Warren, the San Juan, etc,
I still see no reason for it. As wayno puts it more eloquently, none of us is
on the verge of perfection, so why cast stones? As for Warren, it was
positively great to see him at Penn's, and for Dave to help make it possible. I
am sorry for any hardship upon Warren, but he is young and will make out just
fine in the long run, and I doubt his
"bitching" about finances was all THAT serious. As for Steve repeating it, and
making these attacks on LaCourse, it would seem we have yet another volunteer
in the "I'll prove myself to be a real dick" club on ROFF. The San Juan would
seem typical of a lot of tailwaters, but I haven't fished it so cannot venture
an opinion. Still, dissecting how newcomers fish it at first is far from
enlightening....one would think that if Steve B is an expert, he would share
the expertise, or at least gracefully allow others to learn in their own
fashion. Once again, we are treated on ROFF to another so-called expert
pompously criticizing how others choose to ENJOY LIFE!! There is no right, or
wrong, way to flyfish....the **** just isn't that serious, folks.
Tom

Scott Seidman October 18th, 2004 01:14 PM

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rw wrote in news:41733145$0$28254
:

It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like
many cliches, it contains an element of truth.


Let's see. Dave was fishing, and enjoying the water. You were snapping a
photo with mean-spirited intentions. Who are those thousand words about?

Scott

Scott Seidman October 18th, 2004 01:14 PM

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rw wrote in news:41733145$0$28254
:

It's a cliche to say that a picture is worth a thousand words, but like
many cliches, it contains an element of truth.


Let's see. Dave was fishing, and enjoying the water. You were snapping a
photo with mean-spirited intentions. Who are those thousand words about?

Scott

Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 01:24 PM

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I'm guilty as charged. Had my line wrapped around the butt. Hate it when that
happens, but it's better than having it wrap around the tip. d;o(

What is *really* bad is when I fish naked - I've done it at penns a few times -
and the fly line wraps around my little dick. I mean, *that* is a sight to
behold. Makes ya wanna give up the sport. Makes ya wanna run into the woods
screaming all the way. Makes ya wanna sit down on the river bank and cry
"Mama".





Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 01:24 PM

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I'm guilty as charged. Had my line wrapped around the butt. Hate it when that
happens, but it's better than having it wrap around the tip. d;o(

What is *really* bad is when I fish naked - I've done it at penns a few times -
and the fly line wraps around my little dick. I mean, *that* is a sight to
behold. Makes ya wanna give up the sport. Makes ya wanna run into the woods
screaming all the way. Makes ya wanna sit down on the river bank and cry
"Mama".





Willi & Sue October 18th, 2004 02:28 PM

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riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.

Willi







Willi & Sue October 18th, 2004 02:28 PM

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riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.

Willi







Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 03:11 PM

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Willi writes:

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting.


Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a
picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at
the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble
with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to
cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering
"Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I
know what the truth is.






Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 03:11 PM

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Willi writes:

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting.


Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a
picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at
the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble
with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to
cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering
"Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I
know what the truth is.






John Hightower October 18th, 2004 03:41 PM

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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and

it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the

cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the

line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big

wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.

Willi



I must be ultra talented then! I can manage to not only get the line
wrapped around the butt on a cast , I can usually, simultaneously get a
section of line to flip aver the rod between the first guide and the cork
and then pull up tight, snagging on the hook-keeper. Periodiacally I can
also do a line wrap around the ankle during the same cast- this however is
much more difficult to control and should not be attempted by the casual
observer.

jh



John Hightower October 18th, 2004 03:41 PM

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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and

it
flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the

cast.
I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not stand a
change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the

line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big

wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.

Willi



I must be ultra talented then! I can manage to not only get the line
wrapped around the butt on a cast , I can usually, simultaneously get a
section of line to flip aver the rod between the first guide and the cork
and then pull up tight, snagging on the hook-keeper. Periodiacally I can
also do a line wrap around the ankle during the same cast- this however is
much more difficult to control and should not be attempted by the casual
observer.

jh



riverman October 18th, 2004 03:43 PM

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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and
it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the
cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not
stand a change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the
line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big
wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.


'Any' as is "any"? g
You're right about letting ago. For example, if he had just stripped in a
lot of line, then raised his tip up (like to change flies, as stated in the
other thread), then lowered it and the line was crossed over beneath his
hand, and he hadn't made his first false cast to straighten it out. Been
there, done that. The real question, however, is is he wearing a wire?

--riverman



riverman October 18th, 2004 03:43 PM

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"Willi & Sue" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:



Ditto here. I hate it when it happens, but its inevitably on the last
forward motion of a cast, when I drop the last little piece of line and
it flips over the handle and loops over the reel, totally messing up the
cast. I pray a fish doesn't hit the fly exactly then, as I would not
stand a change of saving my tippet.


I understand the sentiment I have chronic problems with tangles in the
line
that's been stripped off the reel and when I go to shoot the line, a big
wad
of line halts at the first guide.

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting. Which isn't to say that I haven't done that one too from time to
time. I usually discover it when I can't get any distance on my cast.


'Any' as is "any"? g
You're right about letting ago. For example, if he had just stripped in a
lot of line, then raised his tip up (like to change flies, as stated in the
other thread), then lowered it and the line was crossed over beneath his
hand, and he hadn't made his first false cast to straighten it out. Been
there, done that. The real question, however, is is he wearing a wire?

--riverman



[email protected] October 18th, 2004 03:54 PM

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On 18 Oct 2004 14:11:44 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

Willi writes:

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting.


Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a
picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at
the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble
with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to
cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering
"Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I
know what the truth is.

Now, wait a minute...that water looks like about 6-8" of glass, and...on second
thought, nevermind - how's about just letting this thing die a quick death? I
can foresee a lot of unintended consequences to this thread that have nothing
whatsoever to do with you and Steve. If you guys just have to trash each other
personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends, Metamucil,
Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar.

TC and HTH,
R

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 03:54 PM

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On 18 Oct 2004 14:11:44 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

Willi writes:

However, I don't think the type of twist Dave has around his rod could
happen during the cast unless he lets go of the rod at some point while
casting.


Willi, I wasn't casting. I was stumbling. rw told me to turn around for a
picture. I did. I did not have a good foot hold. As I remember, it was at
the tail of the Kiddie Pool/Hole. I was trying to cross over and had trouble
with slippery rocks (what's new). But, I was not casting or attempting to
cast. I was trying to regain my balance while Barnard was behind me hollering
"Turn around, Dave." No biggie. Barnard can have his fun with the picture. I
know what the truth is.

Now, wait a minute...that water looks like about 6-8" of glass, and...on second
thought, nevermind - how's about just letting this thing die a quick death? I
can foresee a lot of unintended consequences to this thread that have nothing
whatsoever to do with you and Steve. If you guys just have to trash each other
personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends, Metamucil,
Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar.

TC and HTH,
R

Peter Charles October 18th, 2004 04:00 PM

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Y'know Stephen, I usually can't be bothered with ROFF ****ing
contests, but this post of yours is truly pathetic. Did you seriously
think it would rally people to your cause -- whatever it is?
Everybody does this sort of thing, unless of course, they spend all
their days fishing behind the keyboard of a computer.

Peter Charles October 18th, 2004 04:00 PM

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Y'know Stephen, I usually can't be bothered with ROFF ****ing
contests, but this post of yours is truly pathetic. Did you seriously
think it would rally people to your cause -- whatever it is?
Everybody does this sort of thing, unless of course, they spend all
their days fishing behind the keyboard of a computer.

Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 04:04 PM

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Richard writes:

giant snip

If you guys just have to trash each other
personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends,
Metamucil,
Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar.


Works for me.






Dave LaCourse October 18th, 2004 04:04 PM

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Richard writes:

giant snip

If you guys just have to trash each other
personally, why not go after each other's need for prunes, Depends,
Metamucil,
Viagra (well, the theoretical need for Viagra, anyway), or similar.


Works for me.






[email protected] October 18th, 2004 04:16 PM

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:47:00 GMT, wrote:



Believe it or not, Dickie-Poo, I appreciate the sentiment.


Well, then, if that has even a grain of seriousness, be a man, admit you
****ed up, apologize and mean it, and get on down the road.


To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other topics.
Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as affecting
future 'claves, off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience
about casting, etc.

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 04:16 PM

presentation -- a tutorial
 
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:47:00 GMT, wrote:



Believe it or not, Dickie-Poo, I appreciate the sentiment.


Well, then, if that has even a grain of seriousness, be a man, admit you
****ed up, apologize and mean it, and get on down the road.


To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other topics.
Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as affecting
future 'claves, off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience
about casting, etc.

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 05:20 PM

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"Tim J." wrote in message news:qcNcd.490749$8_6.183085@attbi_s04...

How deep are you digging this hole, Steve?


I do believe the boy is trying to reach Asia.

Wayne

Man is sucks having to use google for this at work, no telling what's
transpired in the past eight hours on this baby!

[email protected] October 18th, 2004 05:20 PM

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"Tim J." wrote in message news:qcNcd.490749$8_6.183085@attbi_s04...

How deep are you digging this hole, Steve?


I do believe the boy is trying to reach Asia.

Wayne

Man is sucks having to use google for this at work, no telling what's
transpired in the past eight hours on this baby!

Frank Reid October 18th, 2004 06:37 PM

presentation -- a tutorial
 
You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my
rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught
a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while
shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel
guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while
getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit
my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any
thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is
a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the
narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch.
I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal
wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF
and put in some off-water practice hours!


Thank you for that hallucinatory moment.
--
Frank Reid
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Frank Reid October 18th, 2004 06:37 PM

presentation -- a tutorial
 
You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my
rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught
a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while
shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel
guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while
getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit
my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any
thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is
a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the
narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch.
I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal
wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF
and put in some off-water practice hours!


Thank you for that hallucinatory moment.
--
Frank Reid
Reverse Email to reply


Tom Nakashima October 18th, 2004 06:40 PM

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my
rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught
a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while
shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel
guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while
getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit
my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any
thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is
a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the
narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch.
I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal
wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF
and put in some off-water practice hours!

Jon.



-tom












Tom Nakashima October 18th, 2004 06:40 PM

presentation -- a tutorial
 
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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
You guys are a bunch of inept clumsy dorks! It's amazing you
even catch any fish. I've NEVER looped my flyline around my
rod, had a tangle hit the first guide when shooting line, caught
a loop around a canoe paddle handle, stood on my line while
shooting it, caught my sandal's strap end, hooked my gravel
guard buckle, hooked a bush on the _last_ false cast while
getting that last 5' of needed line out, hooked myself, hit
my wife with flying split shot, had a "wind" knot, or any
thing else you guys can imagine up. No, every cast I throw is
a thing of beauty and grace, I can thread a fly into the
narrowest of openings or under the lowest overhanging branch.
I'll pull my 3wt out in a 20 knot breeze and throw a #8 royal
wulff 70ft as straight as an arrow. Y'all need to lay off ROFF
and put in some off-water practice hours!

Jon.



-tom












Wayne Harrison October 18th, 2004 06:51 PM

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wrote

To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other
topics.
Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as
affecting
future 'claves,


you got *that* right.

off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience
about casting, etc.


obroff: that's "self-conscious", you illiterate tejan buffoon!!! ;)

yfitons
wayno



Wayne Harrison October 18th, 2004 06:51 PM

presentation -- a tutorial
 

wrote

To clarify, what I mean by "get on down the road" is move on to other
topics.
Again, this one has some probable unintended consequences, such as
affecting
future 'claves,


you got *that* right.

off-ROFF emailings, making novices even more self-conscience
about casting, etc.


obroff: that's "self-conscious", you illiterate tejan buffoon!!! ;)

yfitons
wayno




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