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How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies
you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... --riverman |
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"riverman" wrote in
: How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? More and more tinkering ... probably 80% now ... though usually fiddling with a "standard". The last few seasons caddis have drawn most interest: colour variations to the standard range LaFontaine Emergent Pupa (LaFEP) and CDC & Elk (try one with 2 strands of pearl crystal flash for a short tail). The latest being a flurry of hectivity around the LaFEP tied with a Snowshoe Rabbit foot wing. Started fiddling with them late last season we could finally get the foot downunder. Field testing is fun and the flys work. Invention? Naaah ... just variations on a theme. I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. Having fun'n cathin' is what it's all about and to start out the standards are great because they fulfil their role in the catchin' part admirably. Variety is the spice of life though! For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... "I'm modifying them for local conditions, dearest". (the conditions being the contents of your tying kit ... but don't tell her that ... unless it will work in your favour ;-) Often the pics in books (or on websites) are the tiers interpretation anyway. For example, in scanning Australian Fly Patterns - Peter Coulson, we find half a dozen pics and patterns for the Tom Jones by various fishermen. These ties bear little resemblance to the original. The same comment can be passed for some true classics listed in the book the Alexandra being one. Steve (yet to swim those streamers ...) |
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"riverman" wrote in
: How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? More and more tinkering ... probably 80% now ... though usually fiddling with a "standard". The last few seasons caddis have drawn most interest: colour variations to the standard range LaFontaine Emergent Pupa (LaFEP) and CDC & Elk (try one with 2 strands of pearl crystal flash for a short tail). The latest being a flurry of hectivity around the LaFEP tied with a Snowshoe Rabbit foot wing. Started fiddling with them late last season we could finally get the foot downunder. Field testing is fun and the flys work. Invention? Naaah ... just variations on a theme. I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. Having fun'n cathin' is what it's all about and to start out the standards are great because they fulfil their role in the catchin' part admirably. Variety is the spice of life though! For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... "I'm modifying them for local conditions, dearest". (the conditions being the contents of your tying kit ... but don't tell her that ... unless it will work in your favour ;-) Often the pics in books (or on websites) are the tiers interpretation anyway. For example, in scanning Australian Fly Patterns - Peter Coulson, we find half a dozen pics and patterns for the Tom Jones by various fishermen. These ties bear little resemblance to the original. The same comment can be passed for some true classics listed in the book the Alexandra being one. Steve (yet to swim those streamers ...) |
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"riverman" wrote in message ...
How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? ....for me, essentially 100% of the time inventing. I'm too old too busy too lazy and too affluent to spend any more time tying WoollyBuggers Royal Wulffs or bead head nymphs. I only tie what I can't buy at the local store. For me, buying standards is a great luxury: it means I can spend *all* my fly tying time having fun. |
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"riverman" wrote in message ...
How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? ....for me, essentially 100% of the time inventing. I'm too old too busy too lazy and too affluent to spend any more time tying WoollyBuggers Royal Wulffs or bead head nymphs. I only tie what I can't buy at the local store. For me, buying standards is a great luxury: it means I can spend *all* my fly tying time having fun. |
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Almost never tie standard patterns anymore. The inventing followed by
trial 'n' error, is half the fun. It's especially rewarding when an invention turns into a dynamite pattern. While my new website is still in its half finished state, a trip to Flies - Weamers will show my most successful one so far (number of fish & species vs. time used). The brown trout version has taken brown trout, smallies, steelhead, 'bows, chinook, and pike. The alewife version has so far taken pike and chinook. The Dirty Harry (not shown) has a few steelies to it's credit. In terms of sheer numbers, the Mini-brown holds the record with probably a couple of hundred browns, brookies, and baby steelies to its credit. Peter |
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Almost never tie standard patterns anymore. The inventing followed by
trial 'n' error, is half the fun. It's especially rewarding when an invention turns into a dynamite pattern. While my new website is still in its half finished state, a trip to Flies - Weamers will show my most successful one so far (number of fish & species vs. time used). The brown trout version has taken brown trout, smallies, steelhead, 'bows, chinook, and pike. The alewife version has so far taken pike and chinook. The Dirty Harry (not shown) has a few steelies to it's credit. In terms of sheer numbers, the Mini-brown holds the record with probably a couple of hundred browns, brookies, and baby steelies to its credit. Peter |
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On 19 Oct 2004 12:50:40 -0700, (Peter Charles)
wrote: Almost never tie standard patterns anymore. The inventing followed by trial 'n' error, is half the fun. It's especially rewarding when an invention turns into a dynamite pattern. While my new website is still in its half finished state, a trip to Flies - Weamers will show my most successful one so far (number of fish & species vs. time used). The brown trout version has taken brown trout, smallies, steelhead, 'bows, chinook, and pike. The alewife version has so far taken pike and chinook. The Dirty Harry (not shown) has a few steelies to it's credit. In terms of sheer numbers, the Mini-brown holds the record with probably a couple of hundred browns, brookies, and baby steelies to its credit. Peter DUH! would help if I put up the URL http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...new/index.html Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:04:28 +0100, "riverman"
wrote...: How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? Too much... but I have a lot of superfluous materials I'm trying to justify. :-) I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... I have no idea who SWMBO is. However, they don't think or eat like a fish, so... You do your thing... I bet it works better than sticking the book on a hook and dunking it! Anyway... how many books can come up with a definitive pattern? What? did I hear those 3 little words? BWO? John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:04:28 +0100, "riverman"
wrote...: How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? Too much... but I have a lot of superfluous materials I'm trying to justify. :-) I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... I have no idea who SWMBO is. However, they don't think or eat like a fish, so... You do your thing... I bet it works better than sticking the book on a hook and dunking it! Anyway... how many books can come up with a definitive pattern? What? did I hear those 3 little words? BWO? John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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On 18 Oct 2004 21:11:46 GMT, Stephen Welsh
wrote...: "riverman" wrote in : How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? More and more tinkering ... probably 80% now ... though usually fiddling with a "standard". The last few seasons caddis have drawn most interest: colour variations to the standard range LaFontaine Emergent Pupa (LaFEP) and CDC & Elk (try one with 2 strands of pearl crystal flash for a short tail). The latest being a flurry of hectivity around the LaFEP tied with a Snowshoe Rabbit foot wing. Started fiddling with them late last season we could finally get the foot downunder. Field testing is fun and the flys work. Invention? Naaah ... just variations on a theme. Nail... hammer... head! Good fun though. Especially when it works well, and a maggot drowner asks for pearls of wisdom... you can smile humbly and say, "Just something I threw together." :-) John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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On 18 Oct 2004 21:11:46 GMT, Stephen Welsh
wrote...: "riverman" wrote in : How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? More and more tinkering ... probably 80% now ... though usually fiddling with a "standard". The last few seasons caddis have drawn most interest: colour variations to the standard range LaFontaine Emergent Pupa (LaFEP) and CDC & Elk (try one with 2 strands of pearl crystal flash for a short tail). The latest being a flurry of hectivity around the LaFEP tied with a Snowshoe Rabbit foot wing. Started fiddling with them late last season we could finally get the foot downunder. Field testing is fun and the flys work. Invention? Naaah ... just variations on a theme. Nail... hammer... head! Good fun though. Especially when it works well, and a maggot drowner asks for pearls of wisdom... you can smile humbly and say, "Just something I threw together." :-) John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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The explosion in new materials and associated technology truly encourages
the design of new, novel bass flies. This same explosion in new materials and associated technology also creates tremendous frustration as I learn that: "Strong" materials break.."Floating" materials sink, "Bright" colors fade in water, "Hard" materials soften, and so on and on. My first challenge is to get the new material to "attach" to my hook. Second challenge is to get the new material to perform in water. Third challenge is to get the new material to hold up when castled and fished. The last and certainly most challenging challenge is to get the new material to catch more or bigger fish! When the above fails, as it frequently does for me, g I revert back to the original pattern and original materials. LOL Good luck! John -- Remove FLY to reply "riverman" wrote in message ... How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... --riverman |
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The explosion in new materials and associated technology truly encourages
the design of new, novel bass flies. This same explosion in new materials and associated technology also creates tremendous frustration as I learn that: "Strong" materials break.."Floating" materials sink, "Bright" colors fade in water, "Hard" materials soften, and so on and on. My first challenge is to get the new material to "attach" to my hook. Second challenge is to get the new material to perform in water. Third challenge is to get the new material to hold up when castled and fished. The last and certainly most challenging challenge is to get the new material to catch more or bigger fish! When the above fails, as it frequently does for me, g I revert back to the original pattern and original materials. LOL Good luck! John -- Remove FLY to reply "riverman" wrote in message ... How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? I like tying the standards, mostly because I feel like it removes one variable from the game (like; will this actually catch fish?), but on the other hand, its much more fun to just try things on my own. For example, the other day I was making some Baetis Nymphs, and didn't have the right stuff for the backs, so I used some brown chenille and trimmed it down with my scissors. Eventually, I was doing all sorts of creative things, and SWMBO looked over my shoulder and commented that they didn't look at all like the pictures in the book... --riverman |
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"riverman" wrote in message How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? My whimsy pattern days are gone. Now, I neither spent too much time inventing new, nor do I spend much time tying "known patterns" (Sparkle duns are an exception, too easy, and work too well, so I tie a bunch of em) The last few years I've had the time to really go out, catch bugs, and design my own ties for each type. Very often "my" ties turn out very close to standard patterns, and I make no claims of "creativity" or "new," but I now mainly tie nice replicas of "my" patterns that have been proven to work. I fish such flies, tied from a Natural model, with FAR more confidence and satisfaction, than flies modeled on other people's flies. Sometimes, when a fish doesn't like my offering and I feel I've presented it well and it "should" imitate what he seems to be eating, I will dink around with slight modifications over a period of days ( assuming the same hatch keeps going)...; to come up with new 'proven to work" variations. I fish mainly hard fished waters where the trout have seen it all and sometimes "different" is important .... .....matter of fact, a fishing tip, from a mediocre fisherman .... be somewhat leery of the flies suggested by shops for such hard fished waters ..... usually they are very good ties, but they also tend to been seen by every fish, every day .... |
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"riverman" wrote in message How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? My whimsy pattern days are gone. Now, I neither spent too much time inventing new, nor do I spend much time tying "known patterns" (Sparkle duns are an exception, too easy, and work too well, so I tie a bunch of em) The last few years I've had the time to really go out, catch bugs, and design my own ties for each type. Very often "my" ties turn out very close to standard patterns, and I make no claims of "creativity" or "new," but I now mainly tie nice replicas of "my" patterns that have been proven to work. I fish such flies, tied from a Natural model, with FAR more confidence and satisfaction, than flies modeled on other people's flies. Sometimes, when a fish doesn't like my offering and I feel I've presented it well and it "should" imitate what he seems to be eating, I will dink around with slight modifications over a period of days ( assuming the same hatch keeps going)...; to come up with new 'proven to work" variations. I fish mainly hard fished waters where the trout have seen it all and sometimes "different" is important .... .....matter of fact, a fishing tip, from a mediocre fisherman .... be somewhat leery of the flies suggested by shops for such hard fished waters ..... usually they are very good ties, but they also tend to been seen by every fish, every day .... |
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"riverman" wrote in message How much of your tying time do you spend inventing flies, modifying flies you invented vs. trying to make nice replicas of known patterns? My whimsy pattern days are gone. Now, I neither spent too much time inventing new, nor do I spend much time tying "known patterns" (Sparkle duns are an exception, too easy, and work too well, so I tie a bunch of em) The last few years I've had the time to really go out, catch bugs, and design my own ties for each type. Very often "my" ties turn out very close to standard patterns, and I make no claims of "creativity" or "new," but I now mainly tie nice replicas of "my" patterns that have been proven to work. I fish such flies, tied from a Natural model, with FAR more confidence and satisfaction, than flies modeled on other people's flies. Sometimes, when a fish doesn't like my offering and I feel I've presented it well and it "should" imitate what he seems to be eating, I will dink around with slight modifications over a period of days ( assuming the same hatch keeps going)...; to come up with new 'proven to work" variations. I fish mainly hard fished waters where the trout have seen it all and sometimes "different" is important .... .....matter of fact, a fishing tip, from a mediocre fisherman .... be somewhat leery of the flies suggested by shops for such hard fished waters ..... usually they are very good ties, but they also tend to been seen by every fish, every day .... |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:29:34 -0500, "\"Hooked\""
wrote...: "Neko" wrote in message ... Nail... hammer... head! Good fun though. Especially when it works well, and a maggot drowner asks for pearls of wisdom... you can smile humbly and say, "Just something I threw together." :-) John Isn't that how "The Usual" got it's start? My usual is a large glass of red wine, thanks. ;-) John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:29:34 -0500, "\"Hooked\""
wrote...: "Neko" wrote in message ... Nail... hammer... head! Good fun though. Especially when it works well, and a maggot drowner asks for pearls of wisdom... you can smile humbly and say, "Just something I threw together." :-) John Isn't that how "The Usual" got it's start? My usual is a large glass of red wine, thanks. ;-) John "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." -- Abraham Maslow |
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