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I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? |
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"Larry L" wrote in message ... My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? try a wulff triangle taper or one of the slick coated distance lines, both SA and Rio sell them, Cortland probably does too. For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? they are not broomstick rods but they are fast action, Sage XP, Winston Boron IIx best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? Only you can answer what is best for your buck and I don't know about the TFO series aside from seeing them on the rack in a few shops. |
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"Larry L" wrote in message ... My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? try a wulff triangle taper or one of the slick coated distance lines, both SA and Rio sell them, Cortland probably does too. For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? they are not broomstick rods but they are fast action, Sage XP, Winston Boron IIx best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? Only you can answer what is best for your buck and I don't know about the TFO series aside from seeing them on the rack in a few shops. |
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"Larry L" wrote:
My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can do a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think the spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree angle to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel. Chas remove fly fish to reply http://home.comcast.net/~chas.wade/w...ome.html-.html San Juan Pictures at: http://home.comcast.net/~chasepike/wsb/index.html |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:28:30 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? This depends a lot on the flies you're using, but check out Airflo's Bankmaster and Delta tapers. They have very long front tapers that produce, thick, heavy bellies as compared to other fly lines of the same AFTMA rating. If the entire belly is hung off the tiptop, it results in a very quick, deep load that'll pick up and fire a lot of line. However, heavily weighted flies are difficult to cast on these lines unless you're a very deliberate caster (which you may well be considering your choice of rods.) On the plus side, they'll cast the same heavy flies very easily using spey casts instead of going overhead. These were designed as reservoir lines in the UK, meant to cast a team of flies a long way, without tangling. UK reservoir rods are quite long, usually 6/7 wts., and depending on the manufacturer, vary from fast to slow. As far as picking up, changing direction, and laying out line without false casting, it's worth learning the single spey. Never tried it from a kickboat and that could be a problem, but you could pick 40' to 45' of fly line plus leader, off the water and change direction easily up to 60 degrees without a single false cast. While they weren't designed specifically for the job, these Airflo lines are the best spey casters out there in trout weights. The TT line suggestion is a good one for the same reasons as the Airflo -- a lot of grains packed right behind the tiptop producing a rapid, heavy load. TT trout lines also spey cast quite well. Trout spey rods are just entering the market now so the choice is thin and the prices can be high, but Echo Rods (Rajeff Sports) is putting out a 12'6" - 6/7 wt. trout spey that is supposed to retail at about $270.00 USD. I haven't tried it yet so I can't comment on it's performance, but the price is OK. The next closest would be the Winston Ibis at $495.00 USD. Scott makes a nice, light 6 wt. but it's $$$$. Cabelas offers a rod in this size range as well but I'd be a bit leery of it -- the Cabelas line doesn't command much of a following in the spey ranks. That could be driven by snobbishness, but considering the number of folks also looking for a bargain in this business, their lack of popularity would suggest something else. I hang around the Spey Clave forum and one of the regulars there talked about his first foray onto a BC trout lake with a light double-hander. Apparently, the other angler's thought he was nuts until he started booming out very long casts and hauling in a load of fish. It's nothing to do 80' to 100' overhead and 70' to 90' on the spey with these rods. Casting out of a kickboat would reduce the distance somewhat but you'd still go a lot further than a single hander would in the same position and expended a lot less energy in the process. To take this further, both Rio and Airflo make a 65' head spey line in the 6/7 wt. range that matches these rods. Put a 10' to 15' leader and the entire head outside the guides -- you get an idea of how much line you can pick up and cast in one motion. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"Chas Wade" wrote to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel. I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today ) and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ... I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt version? what manufacturer? model or taper name? |
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"Chas Wade" wrote to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel. I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today ) and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ... I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt version? what manufacturer? model or taper name? |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:03:49 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: "Chas Wade" wrote to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel. I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today ) and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ... I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt version? what manufacturer? model or taper name? You're right, seems like Airflo has stopped making the Bankmaster and the Delta doesn't seem to cover the same range of lines that it used to. Spend a summer doing things other than fishing and the whole world goes to pot. (OK, so Trip doesn't see why that's necessarily a bad thing.) If you can't get these lines, why not a DT? Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:30:26 -0400, Peter Charles
wrote: [snipped] You're right, seems like Airflo has stopped making the Bankmaster and the Delta doesn't seem to cover the same range of lines that it used to. Spend a summer doing things other than fishing and the whole world goes to pot. (OK, so Trip doesn't see why that's necessarily a bad thing.) Damned straight. Thanks for asking ;-) /daytripper (An entire nation can be drunk on its ass, but *that's* ok...) |
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Willi & Sue wrote:
Chas Wade wrote: "Larry L" wrote: My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can do a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think the spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree angle to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel. Yeah but you can cast a kite string with a broomstick. That would be a Mike Connors trick Willi. I've never tried it, though I do remember trying to cast without a rod once years ago. I managed 10 or 15 feet, and even got a couple strikes, but there was no way I could set the hook without the rod to help keep the line tensioned properly. Chas remove fly fish to reply http://home.comcast.net/~chas.wade/w...ome.html-.html San Juan Pictures at: http://home.comcast.net/~chasepike/wsb/index.html |
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"Larry L" wrote:
I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod I guess that makes sense, most people use a 6 or heavier for steelhead. I'm with Peter on this, try a double taper. It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today ) and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ... I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt version? what manufacturer? model or taper name? I didn't have a steelhead taper, that was a double taper on the 3wt. I doubt you broke a 5wt Scott rod just with casting pressure. I also doubt you could hurt it with a 6wt. Chas remove fly fish to reply http://home.comcast.net/~chas.wade/w...ome.html-.html San Juan Pictures at: http://home.comcast.net/~chasepike/wsb/index.html |
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From the posts I read, you are getting lots of advice that is clustered
together and I cannot determine a consensus. So if I were in your shoes, I'd do one or all of the following: 1. Hire a guide to take you to one of your favorite places and have him bring along those rods and tapers to field test. If he will, have him load the lines on identical reels to eliminate that variable. 2. Solicit your favorite fly shop to provide you with several identical demo rods/reels loaded with the various lines and go fishing on your lake with the fly shop owner. 3. Convince BOTH guide AND fly shop owner to go fishing with you on your favorite lake and bring along their rod/reel/fly line combinations. You might have to agree to buy a new rod and reel but if you get exactly what you want, it's a win/win deal for you, the guide and the fly shop owner. If you are lucky enough to get option 3 on the water, I'll bet you learn enough tips about fishing your favorite lake to make the trip "The Trip Of a Lifetime." On subsequent trips alone back on your favorite lake, betcha you'll have lots of good memories that make whatever you wound up paying priceless. If you choose to do this, give us some feedback. Good luck. John -- Remove FLY to reply "Larry L" wrote in message ... I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? |
fly line taper
From the posts I read, you are getting lots of advice that is clustered
together and I cannot determine a consensus. So if I were in your shoes, I'd do one or all of the following: 1. Hire a guide to take you to one of your favorite places and have him bring along those rods and tapers to field test. If he will, have him load the lines on identical reels to eliminate that variable. 2. Solicit your favorite fly shop to provide you with several identical demo rods/reels loaded with the various lines and go fishing on your lake with the fly shop owner. 3. Convince BOTH guide AND fly shop owner to go fishing with you on your favorite lake and bring along their rod/reel/fly line combinations. You might have to agree to buy a new rod and reel but if you get exactly what you want, it's a win/win deal for you, the guide and the fly shop owner. If you are lucky enough to get option 3 on the water, I'll bet you learn enough tips about fishing your favorite lake to make the trip "The Trip Of a Lifetime." On subsequent trips alone back on your favorite lake, betcha you'll have lots of good memories that make whatever you wound up paying priceless. If you choose to do this, give us some feedback. Good luck. John -- Remove FLY to reply "Larry L" wrote in message ... I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:28:30 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? Forgot to mention Brian Chan's book, "Stillwater Fly Fishing". I'm sure that it would be a decent source as well as any UK stillwater book. Since fishing on rivers and streams in the UK, can be very expensive, a lot of fishing is done via day tickets to local reservoirs or ponds. So, there's a lot of expertise there on stillwater trout fishing. BTW, a 5 wt. would be considered very light by UK standards for lake fishing. This Sunday, I watched a Canadian fishing show where they're fishing for rainbows, from kickboats, on a BC lake, using 8 wts.! They had to -- you should've seen the hogs they were landing. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:28:30 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? Forgot to mention Brian Chan's book, "Stillwater Fly Fishing". I'm sure that it would be a decent source as well as any UK stillwater book. Since fishing on rivers and streams in the UK, can be very expensive, a lot of fishing is done via day tickets to local reservoirs or ponds. So, there's a lot of expertise there on stillwater trout fishing. BTW, a 5 wt. would be considered very light by UK standards for lake fishing. This Sunday, I watched a Canadian fishing show where they're fishing for rainbows, from kickboats, on a BC lake, using 8 wts.! They had to -- you should've seen the hogs they were landing. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Larry Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to Larry pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover Larry a riser that has cruised into range. Sounds like a job for the good ole double taper. And as a bonus, are those casts a sight for sore eyes after watching WFs being smashed around :-) The problem with DTs is that they take up a lot of space on the reel. -- Jarmo Hurri Commercial email countermeasures included in header email address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying, or just use . |
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Larry Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to Larry pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover Larry a riser that has cruised into range. Sounds like a job for the good ole double taper. And as a bonus, are those casts a sight for sore eyes after watching WFs being smashed around :-) The problem with DTs is that they take up a lot of space on the reel. -- Jarmo Hurri Commercial email countermeasures included in header email address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying, or just use . |
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Hi Larry,
Your line has to be new so it does not soak up water. It needs to be clean and dressed. If you had a newer fast, light 9.5 or 10' #5 rod it would help too. Sage XP or GLX? I like the Sage Performance taper. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "Larry L" wrote in message ... I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? |
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Hi Larry,
Your line has to be new so it does not soak up water. It needs to be clean and dressed. If you had a newer fast, light 9.5 or 10' #5 rod it would help too. Sage XP or GLX? I like the Sage Performance taper. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "Larry L" wrote in message ... I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so. My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that will help in this situation? For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft 5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable? |
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