OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


Hmmm....and why not:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


Hmmm....and why not:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote
Hmmm....and why not:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html


also mostly thoughtful

but I don't think this part qualifies

" There is a final reason I support George W. Bush. A presidential election
is a Hatfield-McCoy thing, a tribal affair. No matter the quarrels inside
the family, when the shooting starts, you come home to your own "

IMHO, one test of true patriotism is whether one is willing to temporarily
abandon one's tribe if that tribe is clearly doing the wrong things.

Several Republicans for whom I've always had great respect, Powell and
McCain, by example, have largely lost that respect. Even though it's clear
they know Bush has and will lead in the wrong direction, a direction that
will likely still be damaging this country decades after I'm dead and
buried, they are still marching the Bush goosestep, towing the party line.
Any politician, or simple citizen, needs to be more loyal to country than
party to get my respect. And any discussion must do more than evoke "gang
colors" to qualify as thoughtful, to me.

Few things seem less thoughtful than supporting wrong actions just because
they were made "in the family." Much of this election reminds me of a
policeman getting attacked by the battered wife when the cop tries to arrest
the abusing husband beating her ... THINK lady, think voters .... "in the
family" does not = good for you

I've already voted, signed, sealed and delivered .... I voted AGAINST Bush
and I don't like negative voting, but I believe I made the best choice
possible for my country ...... and my "tribe" had nothing to do with it.

Our system is broken, I can't see how anyone can argue that ( well there are
the agrue just to argue types ).

This election has made me certain that what I want to help us all work
towards is changes in the system. Examples, ... the idea of "instant
runoff elections" seems good to me, we desperately need third parties and a
way for us to vote for what we actually believe in without wasting our
vote. .... campaign finance reform .... imho, after you are on the ballot, X
amount of money should be provided to each candidate and that is it, period,
spend more and you just broke the law. If nothing else, the ability to
budget and spend wisely and to good advantage is an ideal requirement for
any elected office ... I find it very ironic that the "money party" is
spending 6 to 8 times ( the figures I've heard, I don't know what is truly
accurate) on the campaign and is TIED ... if they are so damn good with
money why aren't they Way, way, ahead? how badly would they be being beaten
if the playing field$ were level? ... I really don't mean that as a
RepSlam, more as an example of how real control of the buck$ might yield far
better elected officials, ones that think deficit DOES matter, for instance

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote
Hmmm....and why not:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html


also mostly thoughtful

but I don't think this part qualifies

" There is a final reason I support George W. Bush. A presidential election
is a Hatfield-McCoy thing, a tribal affair. No matter the quarrels inside
the family, when the shooting starts, you come home to your own "

IMHO, one test of true patriotism is whether one is willing to temporarily
abandon one's tribe if that tribe is clearly doing the wrong things.

Several Republicans for whom I've always had great respect, Powell and
McCain, by example, have largely lost that respect. Even though it's clear
they know Bush has and will lead in the wrong direction, a direction that
will likely still be damaging this country decades after I'm dead and
buried, they are still marching the Bush goosestep, towing the party line.
Any politician, or simple citizen, needs to be more loyal to country than
party to get my respect. And any discussion must do more than evoke "gang
colors" to qualify as thoughtful, to me.

Few things seem less thoughtful than supporting wrong actions just because
they were made "in the family." Much of this election reminds me of a
policeman getting attacked by the battered wife when the cop tries to arrest
the abusing husband beating her ... THINK lady, think voters .... "in the
family" does not = good for you

I've already voted, signed, sealed and delivered .... I voted AGAINST Bush
and I don't like negative voting, but I believe I made the best choice
possible for my country ...... and my "tribe" had nothing to do with it.

Our system is broken, I can't see how anyone can argue that ( well there are
the agrue just to argue types ).

This election has made me certain that what I want to help us all work
towards is changes in the system. Examples, ... the idea of "instant
runoff elections" seems good to me, we desperately need third parties and a
way for us to vote for what we actually believe in without wasting our
vote. .... campaign finance reform .... imho, after you are on the ballot, X
amount of money should be provided to each candidate and that is it, period,
spend more and you just broke the law. If nothing else, the ability to
budget and spend wisely and to good advantage is an ideal requirement for
any elected office ... I find it very ironic that the "money party" is
spending 6 to 8 times ( the figures I've heard, I don't know what is truly
accurate) on the campaign and is TIED ... if they are so damn good with
money why aren't they Way, way, ahead? how badly would they be being beaten
if the playing field$ were level? ... I really don't mean that as a
RepSlam, more as an example of how real control of the buck$ might yield far
better elected officials, ones that think deficit DOES matter, for instance

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"Larry L" wrote


Several Republicans for whom I've always had great respect, Powell and
McCain, by example, have largely lost that respect.

as even the casual poster here knows, i abhor political threads. but i
am constrained to agree with your observation. i would have worked like a
21 year old yippee for the election of colin powell to the presidency,
prior to his performance before the united nations.

now, i am simply embarrassed by his lack of integrity.

yfitons
wayno

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


My, does this sound familiar . . . .

Peter

turn mailhot into hotmail to reply

Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


My, does this sound familiar . . . .

Peter

turn mailhot into hotmail to reply

Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On 26 Oct 2004 22:34:25 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom


Oh, I think DeLay would be just another wannabe ****ant if it weren't for
Clinton and Co.'s antics scaring the hell out of the opposition and allowing
such weasels REALLY loose. What the electorate _wants_ NOW, DAMMIT, and what's
best for the country long-term are almost always two completely different
things. Individual bull****, Gingrich, Jim Wright, et al, was always a part of
the deal, but the wholesale bull**** pulled by Clinton and Co. made it a whole
new ballgame and _they_ delivered little. As to "relative peace," what about
all the death in Somalia, the old Soviet Union (Chechnya, etc.), etc., not to
mention the essentially-unchecked activities of bin Laden, etc. Clinton is a
self-centered, lying degenerate who got VERY lucky, and I think history will
show that he was among the, if not THE most damaging President. Think I'm
wrong? Something to think about - what Dems are REALLY stumping for Kerry,
besides the Clintonistas - even Kennedy? IMO, if it had been Gebhardt and
someone like Dean or Leiberman, you'd have had Carter, etc., even McCain, really
out there for them, and Bush wouldn't stand a real chance. But nope - it's
McAuliffe, The Tadster, Cahill, etc. out there.

TC,
R

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On 26 Oct 2004 22:34:25 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom


Oh, I think DeLay would be just another wannabe ****ant if it weren't for
Clinton and Co.'s antics scaring the hell out of the opposition and allowing
such weasels REALLY loose. What the electorate _wants_ NOW, DAMMIT, and what's
best for the country long-term are almost always two completely different
things. Individual bull****, Gingrich, Jim Wright, et al, was always a part of
the deal, but the wholesale bull**** pulled by Clinton and Co. made it a whole
new ballgame and _they_ delivered little. As to "relative peace," what about
all the death in Somalia, the old Soviet Union (Chechnya, etc.), etc., not to
mention the essentially-unchecked activities of bin Laden, etc. Clinton is a
self-centered, lying degenerate who got VERY lucky, and I think history will
show that he was among the, if not THE most damaging President. Think I'm
wrong? Something to think about - what Dems are REALLY stumping for Kerry,
besides the Clintonistas - even Kennedy? IMO, if it had been Gebhardt and
someone like Dean or Leiberman, you'd have had Carter, etc., even McCain, really
out there for them, and Bush wouldn't stand a real chance. But nope - it's
McAuliffe, The Tadster, Cahill, etc. out there.

TC,
R

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote in message
...
On 26 Oct 2004 22:34:25 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I
think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted
over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public
wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom
DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his
lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make
Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom


Oh, I think DeLay would be just another wannabe ****ant if it weren't for
Clinton and Co.'s antics scaring the hell out of the opposition and
allowing
such weasels REALLY loose. What the electorate _wants_ NOW, DAMMIT, and
what's
best for the country long-term are almost always two completely different
things. Individual bull****, Gingrich, Jim Wright, et al, was always a
part of
the deal, but the wholesale bull**** pulled by Clinton and Co. made it a
whole
new ballgame and _they_ delivered little. As to "relative peace," what
about
all the death in Somalia, the old Soviet Union (Chechnya, etc.), etc., not
to
mention the essentially-unchecked activities of bin Laden, etc. Clinton
is a
self-centered, lying degenerate who got VERY lucky, and I think history
will
show that he was among the, if not THE most damaging President. Think I'm
wrong? Something to think about - what Dems are REALLY stumping for
Kerry,
besides the Clintonistas - even Kennedy? IMO, if it had been Gebhardt and
someone like Dean or Leiberman, you'd have had Carter, etc., even McCain,
really
out there for them, and Bush wouldn't stand a real chance. But nope -
it's
McAuliffe, The Tadster, Cahill, etc. out there.


Oh yeah PK. It was that really bad stuff the Clinster did, that welfare
reform and fiscal responsibility stuff, yeah thats the ticket. And you would
really be getting behind Gebhardt. Right.

PK you are a funny. So what was that real bad **** Clinton did again? Play
it again PK. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaha!

Dave

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote in message
...
On 26 Oct 2004 22:34:25 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

RDean suggests:
You want real change? Get rid of McAuliffe and the Clintonistas,

why? I never do get the Clinton thing altogether....it seems, the more I
think
about it, that he delivered what the majority of the electorate wanted
over his
terms in office: fiscal responsibility, welfare reform,
relative peace, some economic growth, no radical change. The public
wanted
healthcare, but that DID get botched, badly.
You blame the Clinton folks for divisiveness, but never mention Tom
DeLay.
Neither do you give Newt Gingrich any props, despite the fact that his
lack of
ethics and complete saturation in sleazy behavior over a lifetime make
Bill, et
al, look like pikers. How can your point be taken seriously?

But have no fear - you'll get the government you
deserve.
There, I will agree....completely.
Tom


Oh, I think DeLay would be just another wannabe ****ant if it weren't for
Clinton and Co.'s antics scaring the hell out of the opposition and
allowing
such weasels REALLY loose. What the electorate _wants_ NOW, DAMMIT, and
what's
best for the country long-term are almost always two completely different
things. Individual bull****, Gingrich, Jim Wright, et al, was always a
part of
the deal, but the wholesale bull**** pulled by Clinton and Co. made it a
whole
new ballgame and _they_ delivered little. As to "relative peace," what
about
all the death in Somalia, the old Soviet Union (Chechnya, etc.), etc., not
to
mention the essentially-unchecked activities of bin Laden, etc. Clinton
is a
self-centered, lying degenerate who got VERY lucky, and I think history
will
show that he was among the, if not THE most damaging President. Think I'm
wrong? Something to think about - what Dems are REALLY stumping for
Kerry,
besides the Clintonistas - even Kennedy? IMO, if it had been Gebhardt and
someone like Dean or Leiberman, you'd have had Carter, etc., even McCain,
really
out there for them, and Bush wouldn't stand a real chance. But nope -
it's
McAuliffe, The Tadster, Cahill, etc. out there.


Oh yeah PK. It was that really bad stuff the Clinster did, that welfare
reform and fiscal responsibility stuff, yeah thats the ticket. And you would
really be getting behind Gebhardt. Right.

PK you are a funny. So what was that real bad **** Clinton did again? Play
it again PK. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaha!

Dave

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wayno writes:

now, i am simply embarrassed by his lack of integrity.

But Kerry';s lack of integrity doesn't bother you? Strange, but to be
expected, methinks.

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wayno writes:

now, i am simply embarrassed by his lack of integrity.

But Kerry';s lack of integrity doesn't bother you? Strange, but to be
expected, methinks.

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"B J Conner" wrote in message
news:kfBfd.5047$8R.734@trnddc02...


What do you like better, the War or the deficit?
Best of all he likes selling them pickles to Halliburton for $.50 a
slice.


Stealing from the govt and cheating the troops can't be wrong. Have you EVER
heard ONE of these Bush suckups condemn any of the War Profiteering? It must
be patriotic to cheat our troops. Why else would none of these patriots
speak up? Could it be that they love the USA too much to even whimper while
Cheney and company feed at the trough? Yeah, thats the ticket: they love
America too much to let something like war profiteering affect their vote.
And besides, that bad Clinton, he did the bad stuff, right?

Ugh family values, domini vobiscum, drug companies good, medical care bad,
Pell Grants, plop plop, Red, White and Blue, Freedom Fries, Amen.

Dave

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"B J Conner" wrote in message
news:kfBfd.5047$8R.734@trnddc02...


What do you like better, the War or the deficit?
Best of all he likes selling them pickles to Halliburton for $.50 a
slice.


Stealing from the govt and cheating the troops can't be wrong. Have you EVER
heard ONE of these Bush suckups condemn any of the War Profiteering? It must
be patriotic to cheat our troops. Why else would none of these patriots
speak up? Could it be that they love the USA too much to even whimper while
Cheney and company feed at the trough? Yeah, thats the ticket: they love
America too much to let something like war profiteering affect their vote.
And besides, that bad Clinton, he did the bad stuff, right?

Ugh family values, domini vobiscum, drug companies good, medical care bad,
Pell Grants, plop plop, Red, White and Blue, Freedom Fries, Amen.

Dave

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...I've already voted, signed, sealed and delivered .... I voted AGAINST
Bush and I don't like negative voting, but I believe I made the best
choice possible for my country ...... and my "tribe" had nothing to do
with it...

Hm.........

Wolfgang
is there an anthropologist in the house?

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...I've already voted, signed, sealed and delivered .... I voted AGAINST
Bush and I don't like negative voting, but I believe I made the best
choice possible for my country ...... and my "tribe" had nothing to do
with it...

Hm.........

Wolfgang
is there an anthropologist in the house?

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:32:20 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"B J Conner" wrote in message
news:kfBfd.5047$8R.734@trnddc02...


What do you like better, the War or the deficit?
Best of all he likes selling them pickles to Halliburton for $.50 a
slice.


Stealing from the govt and cheating the troops can't be wrong. Have you EVER
heard ONE of these Bush suckups condemn any of the War Profiteering? It must
be patriotic to cheat our troops. Why else would none of these patriots
speak up? Could it be that they love the USA too much to even whimper while
Cheney and company feed at the trough? Yeah, thats the ticket: they love
America too much to let something like war profiteering affect their vote.
And besides, that bad Clinton, he did the bad stuff, right?

Ugh family values, domini vobiscum, drug companies good, medical care bad,
Pell Grants, plop plop, Red, White and Blue, Freedom Fries, Amen.

Dave

Aw, how sweet! They found each other! It's so romantic...there, across a
crowded saloon, BJ saw the Sarge's Jackie O-ish pillbox in Reynolds regular and
Sarge saw BJ's sexy-silly trucker cap in Reynolds Heavy Duty...and they began
the courtship...break into "It Had To Be You"..."THE JEWS! THE HALLIBURGER
PICKLES! The lizardmen are taking over and the frogs are in the conservatory!"
BJ cooed - well, not "cooed" so much screeched. "You're so darling! The way
the light reflects off the white of your eyes and catches the drool! I'm
floating on a cloud. JESUS WAS A HEEB!" Dave wildly screamed, adrift in the
moment. I'm tellin' ya, folks, if there was ever a list of reasons for ROFF,
this has to be up there...

Just glad to help true love along, even for loonies,
Dickie (or whatever)

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:32:20 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"B J Conner" wrote in message
news:kfBfd.5047$8R.734@trnddc02...


What do you like better, the War or the deficit?
Best of all he likes selling them pickles to Halliburton for $.50 a
slice.


Stealing from the govt and cheating the troops can't be wrong. Have you EVER
heard ONE of these Bush suckups condemn any of the War Profiteering? It must
be patriotic to cheat our troops. Why else would none of these patriots
speak up? Could it be that they love the USA too much to even whimper while
Cheney and company feed at the trough? Yeah, thats the ticket: they love
America too much to let something like war profiteering affect their vote.
And besides, that bad Clinton, he did the bad stuff, right?

Ugh family values, domini vobiscum, drug companies good, medical care bad,
Pell Grants, plop plop, Red, White and Blue, Freedom Fries, Amen.

Dave

Aw, how sweet! They found each other! It's so romantic...there, across a
crowded saloon, BJ saw the Sarge's Jackie O-ish pillbox in Reynolds regular and
Sarge saw BJ's sexy-silly trucker cap in Reynolds Heavy Duty...and they began
the courtship...break into "It Had To Be You"..."THE JEWS! THE HALLIBURGER
PICKLES! The lizardmen are taking over and the frogs are in the conservatory!"
BJ cooed - well, not "cooed" so much screeched. "You're so darling! The way
the light reflects off the white of your eyes and catches the drool! I'm
floating on a cloud. JESUS WAS A HEEB!" Dave wildly screamed, adrift in the
moment. I'm tellin' ya, folks, if there was ever a list of reasons for ROFF,
this has to be up there...

Just glad to help true love along, even for loonies,
Dickie (or whatever)

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


My, does this sound familiar . . . .

Does any of this?

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

:-)
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt and earth(nospam)link dot net to reply via email)

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


My, does this sound familiar . . . .

Does any of this?

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

:-)
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt and earth(nospam)link dot net to reply via email)

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:55:14 GMT, bones wrote:



Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John
Kerry are wealthy men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry
owns 4 mansions,
all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort
home in Idaho is an old
barn
brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average
A-frame).

Fair's fair - while Kerry wouldn't be eating out of dumpsters, HE isn't a
"wealthy" man (and really, neither is Bush), his wife's late husband was, and he
and Teresa have benefited from it, but it isn't now and never will be Kerry's
money. IIRC, Kerry doesn't have any ownership in any of the properties.

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid
$90,000. Does that
sound right?

Yes, it does. See above.

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured
out a way to avoid paying his own.

Again see above, but if you really want Dem tax hypocrisy, look at Edwards.

R or Tigger or Dickie or whoever

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:55:14 GMT, bones wrote:



Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John
Kerry are wealthy men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry
owns 4 mansions,
all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort
home in Idaho is an old
barn
brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average
A-frame).

Fair's fair - while Kerry wouldn't be eating out of dumpsters, HE isn't a
"wealthy" man (and really, neither is Bush), his wife's late husband was, and he
and Teresa have benefited from it, but it isn't now and never will be Kerry's
money. IIRC, Kerry doesn't have any ownership in any of the properties.

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid
$90,000. Does that
sound right?

Yes, it does. See above.

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured
out a way to avoid paying his own.

Again see above, but if you really want Dem tax hypocrisy, look at Edwards.

R or Tigger or Dickie or whoever

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:05:34 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


Well we could go on. Some of what you point out has merit, but a lot is just
make believe. That last one about the mass graves is a doozy. How did you
ever come up with that one? Seriously. I know I'll never convince you to
change what you believe. But I am very curious about where you got that
idea.

Dave



In reality this little ditty was emailed to me by a customer in
Norway. There are more than a few "irregularities" present but given
the shear vitriol this place seems to spawn I figured few would
notice... I stand corrected :-)

I do think warren's link was nuts on though...

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

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wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is
it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at
least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

Somebody is paying him something. Cheny probably fell in love with him when
he saw him pull 29.92 on an onion sack. Yesterday was St. Crispins day, I
wonder if the vultures and chicken hawks have a day to reminisce and chortle
over their foul deeds.

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is
it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at
least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

Somebody is paying him something. Cheny probably fell in love with him when
he saw him pull 29.92 on an onion sack. Yesterday was St. Crispins day, I
wonder if the vultures and chicken hawks have a day to reminisce and chortle
over their foul deeds.

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:56:50 GMT, "B J Conner" wrote:


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is
it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at
least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

Somebody is paying him something. Cheny probably fell in love with him when
he saw him pull 29.92 on an onion sack. Yesterday was St. Crispins day, I
wonder if the vultures and chicken hawks have a day to reminisce and chortle
over their foul deeds.


Ok, where are you big ol' queens registered? I'd feel like a real heel not
sending something to the wedding...lessee...a DVD of La Cage?...naw, y'all both
probably have copies...a weekend getaway at Fire Island?...naw, no point in
subjecting a couple of cracker packers to that kind of ridicule...AHA! A great
big bucket of kosher pickles, a dozen foot-long Hebrew Nationals, and a crate of
KY! The perfect gift for you two lovebirds!

Congrats, you big silly jabbering loonies, you,
Pug or Kug or Dickie or whatever

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:56:50 GMT, "B J Conner" wrote:


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
SNIP SNIP TWHACK, TWHACK

Dear PK
Seemed that $.50 a slice of pickle remark touched a raw nerve. And my
comments about war profiteering and cheating the troops.

Come-on Pug, tell us; Are you making money off of this War? How much? Is
it
enough? How? Any food contracts? Fuel? Or haven't they cut you in? And
considering all you done for them.? Neah, that can't be. Sure, they at
least
gave you a taste, no? Come on Pug, we all love a good story.

Dave

Somebody is paying him something. Cheny probably fell in love with him when
he saw him pull 29.92 on an onion sack. Yesterday was St. Crispins day, I
wonder if the vultures and chicken hawks have a day to reminisce and chortle
over their foul deeds.


Ok, where are you big ol' queens registered? I'd feel like a real heel not
sending something to the wedding...lessee...a DVD of La Cage?...naw, y'all both
probably have copies...a weekend getaway at Fire Island?...naw, no point in
subjecting a couple of cracker packers to that kind of ridicule...AHA! A great
big bucket of kosher pickles, a dozen foot-long Hebrew Nationals, and a crate of
KY! The perfect gift for you two lovebirds!

Congrats, you big silly jabbering loonies, you,
Pug or Kug or Dickie or whatever

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

"bones" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:05:34 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:

I do think warren's link was nuts on though...

Actually some of your points were pretty well on too, but I stayed away from
those. :-)
Warren: well see Ive got this system. Its like Vets preference with a few
extras. First he gets points for being a vet. Then he gets these points for
being such a generous host. Then there is residence, working class status,
sense of humor etc.. Its a system, but what it means is I don't give him
much **** about his political ideas because he has all these preference
points. With the points and all he scores equal to, say an Al Frankin, or RW
no matter how "conservative" he reads.

Different folk get different points. For example designers of killer flies
get a 20 point preference right off. So like you score just below Molly
Ivans. :-)

Dave

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"bones" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:05:34 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:

I do think warren's link was nuts on though...

Actually some of your points were pretty well on too, but I stayed away from
those. :-)
Warren: well see Ive got this system. Its like Vets preference with a few
extras. First he gets points for being a vet. Then he gets these points for
being such a generous host. Then there is residence, working class status,
sense of humor etc.. Its a system, but what it means is I don't give him
much **** about his political ideas because he has all these preference
points. With the points and all he scores equal to, say an Al Frankin, or RW
no matter how "conservative" he reads.

Different folk get different points. For example designers of killer flies
get a 20 point preference right off. So like you score just below Molly
Ivans. :-)

Dave

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

"Larry L" wrote


Several Republicans for whom I've always had great respect, Powell and
McCain, by example, have largely lost that respect.

as even the casual poster here knows, i abhor political threads. but
i
am constrained to agree with your observation. i would have worked like a
21 year old yippee for the election of colin powell to the presidency,
prior to his performance before the united nations.

now, i am simply embarrassed by his lack of integrity.

yfitons
wayno

"My country right or wrong.. " doesn't seem to be enough for men like
Powell or McCain. For them it's my party right or wrong; It's so wrong
you would think any man of principle would have walked away by now. It's
gonna be a tough fight to get the moral high ground back.

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

"Larry L" wrote


Several Republicans for whom I've always had great respect, Powell and
McCain, by example, have largely lost that respect.

as even the casual poster here knows, i abhor political threads. but
i
am constrained to agree with your observation. i would have worked like a
21 year old yippee for the election of colin powell to the presidency,
prior to his performance before the united nations.

now, i am simply embarrassed by his lack of integrity.

yfitons
wayno

"My country right or wrong.. " doesn't seem to be enough for men like
Powell or McCain. For them it's my party right or wrong; It's so wrong
you would think any man of principle would have walked away by now. It's
gonna be a tough fight to get the moral high ground back.

OT -- very thoughtful, imho
 

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:10:00 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:



Different folk get different points. For example designers of killer flies
get a 20 point preference right off. So like you score just below Molly
Ivans. :-)

Dave


High Prasie indeed...Ivans, the mind just, well, ...flutters :-)

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:41:06 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...I've already voted, signed, sealed and delivered .... I voted AGAINST
Bush and I don't like negative voting, but I believe I made the best
choice possible for my country ...... and my "tribe" had nothing to do
with it...

Hm.........

Wolfgang
is there an anthropologist in the house?

They'd be leaving -- no hope of getting grant money to study these
"tribes".

Peter

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:34:18 -0600, Warren wrote:

wrote...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:59:46 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

in a conservative publication


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html


My, does this sound familiar . . . .

Does any of this?

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

:-)

All of it sounds distressingly familiar. Even Saddam believed he had
gas and bio-weapons, however, none of those politicians quoted by
Glenn Beck (is he one of those whack-job radio talk show hosts?) would
have gone to war in the manner of the current administration. Therein
lies the difference.

Peter

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