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FINALLY, I wet a line.
Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Grand River steelhead. We've had lots of rain, pouring, buckets, cats & dogs, lighting storms waking me up, torrential downpours, so me figures that water levels would be high. I prepare -- big, fat waters needs big, fat rod with big, fat line for throwing big, fat flies. Bring little rod in case the big, fat water is too fat and the Credit becomes the destination of choice. In the trunk goes a 14'6" - 10 wt. and 12'4" - 8/9 wt. Parking lot not crowded (it's tiny so it's easy to crowd) and only two guys fishing. Uh Oh, low water. Where did all the water go? Anyway, string up the 10 wt. and head for the main current. The wind, did I tell you about the wind? It must be female today because it couldn't make up it's mind. Upstream, downstream, in my face, off my casting shoulder (either one), blowing hard, barely blowing. AAACCCKKK! Just when I'd set up off the right, the D-Loop is blown into me, set up on the left and the same thing. Which way? Did I say that I had a big, fat rod? Well. sweeping line with a big fat rod when the wind is blowing hard against it, beats a Bowflex for making muscle. I decide that the little rod will be better. Surprise, it's a bit too little, and I can't get the distance I'd like in the wind. Plus the crappy Windcutter line won't turn over half the time. After a futile half-an-hour, a mammoth gust blows the entire kit 'n' kaboodle right in my face in mid sweep. Hogtied! I quit (after untying myself). Oh ya . . . no fish. Shoulda stayed in bed . . . Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Oh ya . . . no fish.
Shoulda stayed in bed . . . Peter This sounds like my entire fall for stripers. Wind, wind, or no fish no fish. We had 2 weeks of North winds that ruined a key part of the fall run. But hopefully this week will turn fish on again, and be a little more fly friendly. A 14' 2 hand rod might be nice as well. -- Rob |
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Oh ya . . . no fish.
Shoulda stayed in bed . . . Peter This sounds like my entire fall for stripers. Wind, wind, or no fish no fish. We had 2 weeks of North winds that ruined a key part of the fall run. But hopefully this week will turn fish on again, and be a little more fly friendly. A 14' 2 hand rod might be nice as well. -- Rob |
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. The ratio was not good, and with my struggle on the spey rod, it was not likely I would have been one to hook up. You have to believe it is possible, and I was struggling with that concept. The highlight was stopping in and getting some advice from John Hazel in Maupin, and buying his DVD. I have watched the RIO video, and like the Hazel DVD much better. The production is improved by the use of slow motion and the excellent photography. I resisted buying a Loop, but my brother bought a Blue Loop rod. I've decided to sell my 13' 4" Hardy Elite when I get around to taking photos. I'll soon enjoy a Blue Loop also. |
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. The ratio was not good, and with my struggle on the spey rod, it was not likely I would have been one to hook up. You have to believe it is possible, and I was struggling with that concept. The highlight was stopping in and getting some advice from John Hazel in Maupin, and buying his DVD. I have watched the RIO video, and like the Hazel DVD much better. The production is improved by the use of slow motion and the excellent photography. I resisted buying a Loop, but my brother bought a Blue Loop rod. I've decided to sell my 13' 4" Hardy Elite when I get around to taking photos. I'll soon enjoy a Blue Loop also. |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:23:55 -0800, "bugcaster"
wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message .. . FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. The ratio was not good, and with my struggle on the spey rod, it was not likely I would have been one to hook up. You have to believe it is possible, and I was struggling with that concept. The highlight was stopping in and getting some advice from John Hazel in Maupin, and buying his DVD. I have watched the RIO video, and like the Hazel DVD much better. The production is improved by the use of slow motion and the excellent photography. I resisted buying a Loop, but my brother bought a Blue Loop rod. I've decided to sell my 13' 4" Hardy Elite when I get around to taking photos. I'll soon enjoy a Blue Loop also. Nice choice on the part of your brother, the 12'4" 8/9 wt. (1284) I mentioned is a Loop Blue, also have the 7116. Very nice rods. Our problem here is that the low September water levels haven't brought the fish in so we're swinging to empty water. At one point the fly wasn't riding right and I pulled it up for a look-see. Had a big sucker scale stuck to it. So I did hit a fish, FWIW. Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:23:55 -0800, "bugcaster"
wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message .. . FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. The ratio was not good, and with my struggle on the spey rod, it was not likely I would have been one to hook up. You have to believe it is possible, and I was struggling with that concept. The highlight was stopping in and getting some advice from John Hazel in Maupin, and buying his DVD. I have watched the RIO video, and like the Hazel DVD much better. The production is improved by the use of slow motion and the excellent photography. I resisted buying a Loop, but my brother bought a Blue Loop rod. I've decided to sell my 13' 4" Hardy Elite when I get around to taking photos. I'll soon enjoy a Blue Loop also. Nice choice on the part of your brother, the 12'4" 8/9 wt. (1284) I mentioned is a Loop Blue, also have the 7116. Very nice rods. Our problem here is that the low September water levels haven't brought the fish in so we're swinging to empty water. At one point the fly wasn't riding right and I pulled it up for a look-see. Had a big sucker scale stuck to it. So I did hit a fish, FWIW. Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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bugcaster wrote:
"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. What section did you fish? I went to the Siletz last Sunday with a friend from Corvallis. No steelhead, though each of us had one brief hook-up. We weren't skunked though; each of us also caught a single sea-run cutthroat, both of them on Caballeros. A twenty-one incher for my friend (his largest ever), and a 13-incher for me. What lovely bright fish they are! Oddly, one of the most fun parts of the day was spent looking down off a bridge watching a group of drift fishermen work a deep pool full of chinook. They caught 2 in the half hour we watched. There were maybe a dozen people (a couple of families and a few single guys) along a 30-foot stretch of gravel bar, with 4 or 5 lines in the water. It was a quiet friendly communal activity, with no sense of "combat fishing." Looked like a whole lot of fun, actually. The fish were much brighter than I had expected, too, that far upstream. Several dozen fish were spawning in a flat just upstream, and I'd seen a half dozen decomposing carcasses just downstream, but the fish taken from that pool had only a touch of darkness to them. JR |
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bugcaster wrote:
"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. What section did you fish? I went to the Siletz last Sunday with a friend from Corvallis. No steelhead, though each of us had one brief hook-up. We weren't skunked though; each of us also caught a single sea-run cutthroat, both of them on Caballeros. A twenty-one incher for my friend (his largest ever), and a 13-incher for me. What lovely bright fish they are! Oddly, one of the most fun parts of the day was spent looking down off a bridge watching a group of drift fishermen work a deep pool full of chinook. They caught 2 in the half hour we watched. There were maybe a dozen people (a couple of families and a few single guys) along a 30-foot stretch of gravel bar, with 4 or 5 lines in the water. It was a quiet friendly communal activity, with no sense of "combat fishing." Looked like a whole lot of fun, actually. The fish were much brighter than I had expected, too, that far upstream. Several dozen fish were spawning in a flat just upstream, and I'd seen a half dozen decomposing carcasses just downstream, but the fish taken from that pool had only a touch of darkness to them. JR |
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bugcaster wrote:
"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... FINALLY, I wet a line. Blustery, cold, swirling winds -- oh ya, nice day. I wanted steelhead, Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. What section did you fish? I went to the Siletz last Sunday with a friend from Corvallis. No steelhead, though each of us had one brief hook-up. We weren't skunked though; each of us also caught a single sea-run cutthroat, both of them on Caballeros. A twenty-one incher for my friend (his largest ever), and a 13-incher for me. What lovely bright fish they are! Oddly, one of the most fun parts of the day was spent looking down off a bridge watching a group of drift fishermen work a deep pool full of chinook. They caught 2 in the half hour we watched. There were maybe a dozen people (a couple of families and a few single guys) along a 30-foot stretch of gravel bar, with 4 or 5 lines in the water. It was a quiet friendly communal activity, with no sense of "combat fishing." Looked like a whole lot of fun, actually. The fish were much brighter than I had expected, too, that far upstream. Several dozen fish were spawning in a flat just upstream, and I'd seen a half dozen decomposing carcasses just downstream, but the fish taken from that pool had only a touch of darkness to them. JR |
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Peter Charles wrote:
Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR |
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Peter Charles wrote:
Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR |
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Peter Charles wrote:
Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:59:12 -0800, JR
wrote: Peter Charles wrote: Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR It is an excellent rod and not just for the beginner. A lot of these mid-priced rods perform as well if not better than many high priced models -- the Loop Blues, CND Customs & Experts, and the new Daiwas are in this class as well. I've never fished the PNW, and especially not in winter so I'm not informed enough as to know how deep you'll have to go. As far as winter performance is concerned, don't worry about the old memory problems with Airflos, they work very well in the middle of our Great Lakes winters and the running line has less memory than the Rios. Get the tips version, it's worth it. There's two schools of thought for beginners buying lines, get it heavy so you know when the rod's loaded, or buy the right line and grow into it. I believe in the latter. Airflo Delta 8/9 wt. tips version. If you want heavy, go with the 9/10. In the dual rating system, the higher number is the correct weight. (don't ask me why) In the triple system, it's the middle number. Skagit lines are popular out your way but they're usually constructed rather than bought. Mine is the remanent belly of a WC 9/10/11 hooked up to a 300 grain Rio BigBoy. It loads a 9 wt. very well. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:59:12 -0800, JR
wrote: Peter Charles wrote: Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR It is an excellent rod and not just for the beginner. A lot of these mid-priced rods perform as well if not better than many high priced models -- the Loop Blues, CND Customs & Experts, and the new Daiwas are in this class as well. I've never fished the PNW, and especially not in winter so I'm not informed enough as to know how deep you'll have to go. As far as winter performance is concerned, don't worry about the old memory problems with Airflos, they work very well in the middle of our Great Lakes winters and the running line has less memory than the Rios. Get the tips version, it's worth it. There's two schools of thought for beginners buying lines, get it heavy so you know when the rod's loaded, or buy the right line and grow into it. I believe in the latter. Airflo Delta 8/9 wt. tips version. If you want heavy, go with the 9/10. In the dual rating system, the higher number is the correct weight. (don't ask me why) In the triple system, it's the middle number. Skagit lines are popular out your way but they're usually constructed rather than bought. Mine is the remanent belly of a WC 9/10/11 hooked up to a 300 grain Rio BigBoy. It loads a 9 wt. very well. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:59:12 -0800, JR
wrote: Peter Charles wrote: Don't get talked into a Windcutter for it, get either the Loop Adapted system, the new Loop Quattro, or an Airflo Delta. I have a Windcutter 7/8/9 on the 8124 and it sucks. Today, if I let enough running line out so that the line didn't come up hard on the reel, the T-8 head wouldn't complete the turnover. I'd get a laser loop going out, then the whole thing would drop into the water with 10' to 15' of the tip still folded back. If I pulled in just three feet of running so that the line would come up hard on the reel, then that shock was enough to get the tip rolled out. I was using the T-8 (green) tip along with Tip 2 -- not the best combo. Had no such problem using the Airflo 9/10 Delta + T-7 tip on the Daiwa. Rolled out as nice as you please every cast. Peter, a while ago you recommended the Scott SAS 14 ft for 9wt as a good all-round budget two-hander for a beginner. What line would you suggest for that rod for cold water (winter steelhead) fishing? JR It is an excellent rod and not just for the beginner. A lot of these mid-priced rods perform as well if not better than many high priced models -- the Loop Blues, CND Customs & Experts, and the new Daiwas are in this class as well. I've never fished the PNW, and especially not in winter so I'm not informed enough as to know how deep you'll have to go. As far as winter performance is concerned, don't worry about the old memory problems with Airflos, they work very well in the middle of our Great Lakes winters and the running line has less memory than the Rios. Get the tips version, it's worth it. There's two schools of thought for beginners buying lines, get it heavy so you know when the rod's loaded, or buy the right line and grow into it. I believe in the latter. Airflo Delta 8/9 wt. tips version. If you want heavy, go with the 9/10. In the dual rating system, the higher number is the correct weight. (don't ask me why) In the triple system, it's the middle number. Skagit lines are popular out your way but they're usually constructed rather than bought. Mine is the remanent belly of a WC 9/10/11 hooked up to a 300 grain Rio BigBoy. It loads a 9 wt. very well. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"JR" wrote in message .. . bugcaster wrote: Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. What section did you fish? We fished upstream from Maupin off the bank last weekend. We hit a couple good places that have produced fish in the past, but it was just a slow day. I've heard that the folks downstream did better, down by Beavertail. The Rainbow Room seemed friendlier and it demanded much of our attention after fishing. |
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"JR" wrote in message .. . bugcaster wrote: Describes the latest trip to the Deschutes. I did not see anyone hook up, but later learned that a few had caught fish on the same day. What section did you fish? We fished upstream from Maupin off the bank last weekend. We hit a couple good places that have produced fish in the past, but it was just a slow day. I've heard that the folks downstream did better, down by Beavertail. The Rainbow Room seemed friendlier and it demanded much of our attention after fishing. |
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Peter Charles wrote in message
[snip] In June we had NE winds blowing that took out a couple of days as well. There's already a striper two-hander on the market -- Greg and I both have one -- a CND Atlantis. It's an 11' 11 wt. that'll handle 11/12 wt. lines. It's interesting to cast as it'll put out enough line that head length becomes critical to ensuring that the cast rolls out properly. Otherwise, around 100' or so, the cast can "crash". The Daiwa 10 wt. I was using was original designed as an overhead rod but it's superb on the spey as well. Daiwa makes a 12'6" 8 wt. that would be great in the surf. That's a spey 8 wt. rating so figure on regular 10 wt. lines to load it. I've overhead cast 120' in the yard using Greg's 8 wt. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html I know there are probably entire web sites devoted to this, but do you know if the CND Atlantis is used with a shooting head (I'm guessing yes from the above)? Or a WF? I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob |
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Peter Charles wrote in message
[snip] In June we had NE winds blowing that took out a couple of days as well. There's already a striper two-hander on the market -- Greg and I both have one -- a CND Atlantis. It's an 11' 11 wt. that'll handle 11/12 wt. lines. It's interesting to cast as it'll put out enough line that head length becomes critical to ensuring that the cast rolls out properly. Otherwise, around 100' or so, the cast can "crash". The Daiwa 10 wt. I was using was original designed as an overhead rod but it's superb on the spey as well. Daiwa makes a 12'6" 8 wt. that would be great in the surf. That's a spey 8 wt. rating so figure on regular 10 wt. lines to load it. I've overhead cast 120' in the yard using Greg's 8 wt. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html I know there are probably entire web sites devoted to this, but do you know if the CND Atlantis is used with a shooting head (I'm guessing yes from the above)? Or a WF? I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob |
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On 1 Nov 2004 09:38:55 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote:
Peter Charles wrote in message [snip] In June we had NE winds blowing that took out a couple of days as well. There's already a striper two-hander on the market -- Greg and I both have one -- a CND Atlantis. It's an 11' 11 wt. that'll handle 11/12 wt. lines. It's interesting to cast as it'll put out enough line that head length becomes critical to ensuring that the cast rolls out properly. Otherwise, around 100' or so, the cast can "crash". The Daiwa 10 wt. I was using was original designed as an overhead rod but it's superb on the spey as well. Daiwa makes a 12'6" 8 wt. that would be great in the surf. That's a spey 8 wt. rating so figure on regular 10 wt. lines to load it. I've overhead cast 120' in the yard using Greg's 8 wt. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html I know there are probably entire web sites devoted to this, but do you know if the CND Atlantis is used with a shooting head (I'm guessing yes from the above)? Or a WF? I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob Yes and yes. I used the Atlantis with an Airflo WF-I-12 striper line while Greg used a shooting head rig. I've since bought a complete set of Airflo 45' - 12 wt. heads for it. That casting stroke you saw is called a Belgian cast or an oval cast. If you're flogging a heavy head, a standard backcast can cause some nasty bouncing, killing the forward load. That slow swing maintains a nice, constant load on the rod, keeping everything nice and smooth. Go here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm and then to Sal****er Flyfishing to read up on Atlantis usage. The guy by the name of Juro on this site, is the NorAm rep. for CND and he designed the Atlantis rod. Aparently they've now produced a 9 wt. version. Their website is www.cndspey.com. BTW, the 150' isn't bull****. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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On 1 Nov 2004 09:38:55 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote:
Peter Charles wrote in message [snip] In June we had NE winds blowing that took out a couple of days as well. There's already a striper two-hander on the market -- Greg and I both have one -- a CND Atlantis. It's an 11' 11 wt. that'll handle 11/12 wt. lines. It's interesting to cast as it'll put out enough line that head length becomes critical to ensuring that the cast rolls out properly. Otherwise, around 100' or so, the cast can "crash". The Daiwa 10 wt. I was using was original designed as an overhead rod but it's superb on the spey as well. Daiwa makes a 12'6" 8 wt. that would be great in the surf. That's a spey 8 wt. rating so figure on regular 10 wt. lines to load it. I've overhead cast 120' in the yard using Greg's 8 wt. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html I know there are probably entire web sites devoted to this, but do you know if the CND Atlantis is used with a shooting head (I'm guessing yes from the above)? Or a WF? I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob Yes and yes. I used the Atlantis with an Airflo WF-I-12 striper line while Greg used a shooting head rig. I've since bought a complete set of Airflo 45' - 12 wt. heads for it. That casting stroke you saw is called a Belgian cast or an oval cast. If you're flogging a heavy head, a standard backcast can cause some nasty bouncing, killing the forward load. That slow swing maintains a nice, constant load on the rod, keeping everything nice and smooth. Go here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm and then to Sal****er Flyfishing to read up on Atlantis usage. The guy by the name of Juro on this site, is the NorAm rep. for CND and he designed the Atlantis rod. Aparently they've now produced a 9 wt. version. Their website is www.cndspey.com. BTW, the 150' isn't bull****. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
Short TR of a short trip
Peter Charles wrote in message . ..
On 1 Nov 2004 09:38:55 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote: Peter Charles wrote in message [snip] I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob Yes and yes. I used the Atlantis with an Airflo WF-I-12 striper line while Greg used a shooting head rig. I've since bought a complete set of Airflo 45' - 12 wt. heads for it. That casting stroke you saw is called a Belgian cast or an oval cast. If you're flogging a heavy head, a standard backcast can cause some nasty bouncing, killing the forward load. That slow swing maintains a nice, constant load on the rod, keeping everything nice and smooth. Go here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm and then to Sal****er Flyfishing to read up on Atlantis usage. The guy by the name of Juro on this site, is the NorAm rep. for CND and he designed the Atlantis rod. Aparently they've now produced a 9 wt. version. Their website is www.cndspey.com. BTW, the 150' isn't bull****. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob |
Short TR of a short trip
Peter Charles wrote in message . ..
On 1 Nov 2004 09:38:55 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote: Peter Charles wrote in message [snip] I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob Yes and yes. I used the Atlantis with an Airflo WF-I-12 striper line while Greg used a shooting head rig. I've since bought a complete set of Airflo 45' - 12 wt. heads for it. That casting stroke you saw is called a Belgian cast or an oval cast. If you're flogging a heavy head, a standard backcast can cause some nasty bouncing, killing the forward load. That slow swing maintains a nice, constant load on the rod, keeping everything nice and smooth. Go here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm and then to Sal****er Flyfishing to read up on Atlantis usage. The guy by the name of Juro on this site, is the NorAm rep. for CND and he designed the Atlantis rod. Aparently they've now produced a 9 wt. version. Their website is www.cndspey.com. BTW, the 150' isn't bull****. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob |
Short TR of a short trip
Peter Charles wrote in message . ..
On 1 Nov 2004 09:38:55 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote: Peter Charles wrote in message [snip] I saw a video demo of some 2 handed 11wt rod with which the caster seemed to use a stroke more like spin fishing, swinging the head slowly behind him and then an overhand stroke that delivered about 150' of line out consistently. This is "on my list" for next year. -- Rob Yes and yes. I used the Atlantis with an Airflo WF-I-12 striper line while Greg used a shooting head rig. I've since bought a complete set of Airflo 45' - 12 wt. heads for it. That casting stroke you saw is called a Belgian cast or an oval cast. If you're flogging a heavy head, a standard backcast can cause some nasty bouncing, killing the forward load. That slow swing maintains a nice, constant load on the rod, keeping everything nice and smooth. Go here http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm and then to Sal****er Flyfishing to read up on Atlantis usage. The guy by the name of Juro on this site, is the NorAm rep. for CND and he designed the Atlantis rod. Aparently they've now produced a 9 wt. version. Their website is www.cndspey.com. BTW, the 150' isn't bull****. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob |
Short TR of a short trip
On 2 Nov 2004 09:25:28 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote:
thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob The beauty of two handers, when the wind blows at your casting side, switch sides. Last june I could manage up to 100' on the right shoulder and about 80' on the left. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
Short TR of a short trip
On 2 Nov 2004 09:25:28 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote:
thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob The beauty of two handers, when the wind blows at your casting side, switch sides. Last june I could manage up to 100' on the right shoulder and about 80' on the left. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
Short TR of a short trip
On 2 Nov 2004 09:25:28 -0800, (Rob S.) wrote:
thanks Peter! will definitely be checking this out. The winds this year were really wicked with the single handed 9 and 10 wts I have and I was looking for something with a little more punch to use more consistently. thanks again, Rob The beauty of two handers, when the wind blows at your casting side, switch sides. Last june I could manage up to 100' on the right shoulder and about 80' on the left. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
Short TR of a short trip
Last june I could manage up to 100' on the right
shoulder and about 80' on the left. Peter hmmm, last week into a blistering NW wind on the river side, I was able to manage about 25' right handed and about 15' on the left *LOL*. .... still managed to hook a bluefish, the toothy buggers :) -- Rob (but I'll TAKE that extra 55' any day) -- so much fishing, so little time -- --please remuv the 'NOWAY2it' from my email addy to email me-- |
Short TR of a short trip
Last june I could manage up to 100' on the right
shoulder and about 80' on the left. Peter hmmm, last week into a blistering NW wind on the river side, I was able to manage about 25' right handed and about 15' on the left *LOL*. .... still managed to hook a bluefish, the toothy buggers :) -- Rob (but I'll TAKE that extra 55' any day) -- so much fishing, so little time -- --please remuv the 'NOWAY2it' from my email addy to email me-- |
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