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Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2) For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s) where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists. And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck, but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2)
For my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s)
where taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it
exists. And my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1
for this old grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my
truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and
taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me a
couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain. Propane
cylinders don't deliver fuel very well at below freezing temperatures. And
I've never seen a propane burning stove that puts out the heat of gasoline
models. Gasoline.....despite the recent rape of the American consumer....is
also still cheaper than propane. I used one of the gasoline models for
thirty-five years, until it was lost somehow.....it still worked
beautifully.

Coleman also makes excellent gasoline fueled lamps that put out a LOT of
light and burn for a long time.

As long as weight isn't a consideration, you can't beat cast iron for
cookware. It's virtually indestructible, cheap, thick enough to minimize
hot spots, and you can cook directly in the campfire if necessary or
desirable. Lodge makes a very diverse line of high quality cast iron
cookware. At the very least, you should have a cast iron Dutch oven....the
model with the flat top with a raised edge. These are designed specifically
to cook in a bed of hot coals.....the raised rim on the lid makes it
possible to heap coals on top. This makes it ideal for baking.

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2)
For my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s)
where taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it
exists. And my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1
for this old grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my
truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and
taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me a
couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain. Propane
cylinders don't deliver fuel very well at below freezing temperatures. And
I've never seen a propane burning stove that puts out the heat of gasoline
models. Gasoline.....despite the recent rape of the American consumer....is
also still cheaper than propane. I used one of the gasoline models for
thirty-five years, until it was lost somehow.....it still worked
beautifully.

Coleman also makes excellent gasoline fueled lamps that put out a LOT of
light and burn for a long time.

As long as weight isn't a consideration, you can't beat cast iron for
cookware. It's virtually indestructible, cheap, thick enough to minimize
hot spots, and you can cook directly in the campfire if necessary or
desirable. Lodge makes a very diverse line of high quality cast iron
cookware. At the very least, you should have a cast iron Dutch oven....the
model with the flat top with a raised edge. These are designed specifically
to cook in a bed of hot coals.....the raised rim on the lid makes it
possible to heap coals on top. This makes it ideal for baking.

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
//snip//
So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my
truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and
taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.


I have an Outdoor Research bivy sack that I use when backpacking, and it's
fine but it ain't the most comfortable thing since the Ritz Carlton. I also
use a 3/4 length Thermarest pad with the bivy sack. Together they're really
light and allow me to carry more flyfishing gear and less camping gear.

But if you can avoid backpacking and only haul the stuff from your car to
the site, like I did at the anti-clave a couple of weeks ago, here's what
I'd take:

1. Get a two-person tent. I have a Kelty (forget the item name) that cost
about $75 and it's just right for one person. It has a little vestibule
where you can keep your boots without having to bring them into the tent
proper, and that's important.

2. beer

3. a THICK foam pad to put on top of the thermarest

3. beer

4. a backpacking stove. I have a Coleman "Peak 1" butane/propane backpack
stove that puts out 10,000 BTUs, but it has to be lit with a match. If you
can get one with a piezo lighter that doesn't require matches that'd be much
better. I've tried stoves that use "white gas" or similar, and this stove
is much better. No more spilt fuel and having to pump up the pressure. I
used to have a Primus backpacking stove that I liked better than the
Coleman, but it disappeared at Snowbird under very mysterious circumstances.

5. beer

6. I have a Primus backpacking lamp that runs off the same fuel as the
stove. Puts out plenty of light for one person to read by.

7. Wild Turkey

8. pots etc., in a net bag. The net bag can be used to put the beer in, then
put in the creek to cool it.

The tent, together with the thermarest and the foam pad, are surprisingly
comfortable. Also, I've found that the dehydrated meals sold in outdoor
stores can be pretty good. A bit high in salt, but can really hit the spot
after a long day. Most of them say they serve two, which makes an ample meal
for one.

Bob

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
//snip//
So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my
truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and
taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.


I have an Outdoor Research bivy sack that I use when backpacking, and it's
fine but it ain't the most comfortable thing since the Ritz Carlton. I also
use a 3/4 length Thermarest pad with the bivy sack. Together they're really
light and allow me to carry more flyfishing gear and less camping gear.

But if you can avoid backpacking and only haul the stuff from your car to
the site, like I did at the anti-clave a couple of weeks ago, here's what
I'd take:

1. Get a two-person tent. I have a Kelty (forget the item name) that cost
about $75 and it's just right for one person. It has a little vestibule
where you can keep your boots without having to bring them into the tent
proper, and that's important.

2. beer

3. a THICK foam pad to put on top of the thermarest

3. beer

4. a backpacking stove. I have a Coleman "Peak 1" butane/propane backpack
stove that puts out 10,000 BTUs, but it has to be lit with a match. If you
can get one with a piezo lighter that doesn't require matches that'd be much
better. I've tried stoves that use "white gas" or similar, and this stove
is much better. No more spilt fuel and having to pump up the pressure. I
used to have a Primus backpacking stove that I liked better than the
Coleman, but it disappeared at Snowbird under very mysterious circumstances.

5. beer

6. I have a Primus backpacking lamp that runs off the same fuel as the
stove. Puts out plenty of light for one person to read by.

7. Wild Turkey

8. pots etc., in a net bag. The net bag can be used to put the beer in, then
put in the creek to cool it.

The tent, together with the thermarest and the foam pad, are surprisingly
comfortable. Also, I've found that the dehydrated meals sold in outdoor
stores can be pretty good. A bit high in salt, but can really hit the spot
after a long day. Most of them say they serve two, which makes an ample meal
for one.

Bob

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
//snip//
So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my
truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and
taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.


I have an Outdoor Research bivy sack that I use when backpacking, and it's
fine but it ain't the most comfortable thing since the Ritz Carlton. I also
use a 3/4 length Thermarest pad with the bivy sack. Together they're really
light and allow me to carry more flyfishing gear and less camping gear.

But if you can avoid backpacking and only haul the stuff from your car to
the site, like I did at the anti-clave a couple of weeks ago, here's what
I'd take:

1. Get a two-person tent. I have a Kelty (forget the item name) that cost
about $75 and it's just right for one person. It has a little vestibule
where you can keep your boots without having to bring them into the tent
proper, and that's important.

2. beer

3. a THICK foam pad to put on top of the thermarest

3. beer

4. a backpacking stove. I have a Coleman "Peak 1" butane/propane backpack
stove that puts out 10,000 BTUs, but it has to be lit with a match. If you
can get one with a piezo lighter that doesn't require matches that'd be much
better. I've tried stoves that use "white gas" or similar, and this stove
is much better. No more spilt fuel and having to pump up the pressure. I
used to have a Primus backpacking stove that I liked better than the
Coleman, but it disappeared at Snowbird under very mysterious circumstances.

5. beer

6. I have a Primus backpacking lamp that runs off the same fuel as the
stove. Puts out plenty of light for one person to read by.

7. Wild Turkey

8. pots etc., in a net bag. The net bag can be used to put the beer in, then
put in the creek to cool it.

The tent, together with the thermarest and the foam pad, are surprisingly
comfortable. Also, I've found that the dehydrated meals sold in outdoor
stores can be pretty good. A bit high in salt, but can really hit the spot
after a long day. Most of them say they serve two, which makes an ample meal
for one.

Bob

Camping stuff
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
//snip// Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen
for camp cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John
told me a couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks,
thus eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.
Propane cylinders don't deliver fuel very well at below freezing
temperatures. And I've never seen a propane burning stove that puts out
the heat of gasoline models. Gasoline.....despite the recent rape of the
American consumer....is also still cheaper than propane. I used one of
the gasoline models for thirty-five years, until it was lost
somehow.....it still worked beautifully.

I also have a Coleman two-burner, and it's good if you're cooking for more
than one. I've tried both gasoline and butane/propane, and I like the newer
ones better. The butane/propane mix puts out a LOT of heat, and is easy to
control with no worry about spilling fuel. But Wolfgang is right about cold
weather. Also, in moist weather the propane/butane canister will develop a
layer of ice as it cools during use.

Coleman also makes excellent gasoline fueled lamps that put out a LOT of
light and burn for a long time.

As long as weight isn't a consideration, you can't beat cast iron for
cookware. It's virtually indestructible, cheap, thick enough to minimize
hot spots, and you can cook directly in the campfire if necessary or
desirable. Lodge makes a very diverse line of high quality cast iron
cookware. At the very least, you should have a cast iron Dutch
oven....the model with the flat top with a raised edge. These are
designed specifically to cook in a bed of hot coals.....the raised rim on
the lid makes it possible to heap coals on top. This makes it ideal for
baking.

That is very good advice. If weight is not a consideration, you can't beat
cast iron. But Wolfgang enjoys cooking almost as much as I enjoy fishing.
And he's good at it, which I ain't.

Bob

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
//snip// Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen
for camp cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John
told me a couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks,
thus eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.
Propane cylinders don't deliver fuel very well at below freezing
temperatures. And I've never seen a propane burning stove that puts out
the heat of gasoline models. Gasoline.....despite the recent rape of the
American consumer....is also still cheaper than propane. I used one of
the gasoline models for thirty-five years, until it was lost
somehow.....it still worked beautifully.

I also have a Coleman two-burner, and it's good if you're cooking for more
than one. I've tried both gasoline and butane/propane, and I like the newer
ones better. The butane/propane mix puts out a LOT of heat, and is easy to
control with no worry about spilling fuel. But Wolfgang is right about cold
weather. Also, in moist weather the propane/butane canister will develop a
layer of ice as it cools during use.

Coleman also makes excellent gasoline fueled lamps that put out a LOT of
light and burn for a long time.

As long as weight isn't a consideration, you can't beat cast iron for
cookware. It's virtually indestructible, cheap, thick enough to minimize
hot spots, and you can cook directly in the campfire if necessary or
desirable. Lodge makes a very diverse line of high quality cast iron
cookware. At the very least, you should have a cast iron Dutch
oven....the model with the flat top with a raised edge. These are
designed specifically to cook in a bed of hot coals.....the raised rim on
the lid makes it possible to heap coals on top. This makes it ideal for
baking.

That is very good advice. If weight is not a consideration, you can't beat
cast iron. But Wolfgang enjoys cooking almost as much as I enjoy fishing.
And he's good at it, which I ain't.

Bob

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Wolfgang wrote:

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me a
couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.

You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't exactly
backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away those little
green tanks.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Wolfgang wrote:

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me a
couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.

You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't exactly
backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away those little
green tanks.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Wolfgang wrote:

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me a
couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.

You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't exactly
backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away those little
green tanks.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Hey Larry:
I went through a similar metamorphosis. Spent my 20s doing the 45-pound
Kelty Backpack thing, with ensolite, MSR (Svea actually, back then), bivvy
sack, headlamp, down bag that doubled as a cooler (wrapped around the cold
items).

Then I moved into canoe camping, where it was a 150 pound kit. Larger, more
comfortable tent, thermarest pad, coleman propane stove, candle lantern,
fold up chairs, roll up tables, Igloo cooler.

Then I moved into car camping, and have discovered that a lot of my canoe
camping gear is perfectly suited. It stows down very compactly, covers the
comfort criteria, and I don't have to carry it in. My current car camping
set up has the following:

-Tent: a Latvian version of a northface VE24, 4-man tent with the external
vestibule and lots of little pockets and an overhead net. Under it a
'footprint', and inside it a blanket that serves as a carpet. There's also a
carpet outside the front vestibule to wipe off my feet. And a portable
radio/tape deck with little battery-operated speakers, and two battery
lanterns. I also keep a small dustpan and brush to get out the grit. I hate
grit.

-sleeping bag: a Northface fiberfill BigFoot, with a pillow, a sheet and an
extra-thick Thermarest pad.

-stoves: a Coleman 3-burner propane stove, with pisoelectric lighter, and
also a portable barbeque grill that folds in on itself to store no larger
than a briefcase.

-Kitchen kit: pots, pans and plates that nestle easily, cups and mugs.
Regular kitchen style (not camping gear) cutlery and utensils. It all packs
into a meduim-sized action packer, along with the stove and a cutting board,
the washing up liquids and a few odds and ends like beer coolies.

-Table: from CampMor, a blue roll-up table with aluminum legs. This thing is
excellent! When stored, its about the dimensions of your leg, but it unrolls
and makes a table that is about 1x1 meters, with lots of room for cooking,
eating, etc.

-chair: fold up 'captains chair' with fold up footrest. Ahh.

-lantern: Coleman gas lantern as well as several flashlight lanterns.

-cooler: I know about these; we used many brands on the rivers, and my
experience is that nothing, (nothing!) beats the Igloo brand. The others
either warm up too soon or leak or only last a few seasons, but the Igloo
coolers are the best quality out there. I freeze several platic jugs of
water for the ice and drink them when they melt. I put a large rectangle of
ensolite in the cooler to section off a bottom (long term storage) part and
a top (in and out) part. I also have an electric cooler that runs off the
car battery so I can refreeze stuff on long trips, and have a cold drink
when I'm driving in.

Goodies: solar powered blender, frisbee, fly tying kit, etc, extra tarp to
cover kitchen..

All this stores neatly in an average trunk.

Have fun!

--riverman

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Hey Larry:
I went through a similar metamorphosis. Spent my 20s doing the 45-pound
Kelty Backpack thing, with ensolite, MSR (Svea actually, back then), bivvy
sack, headlamp, down bag that doubled as a cooler (wrapped around the cold
items).

Then I moved into canoe camping, where it was a 150 pound kit. Larger, more
comfortable tent, thermarest pad, coleman propane stove, candle lantern,
fold up chairs, roll up tables, Igloo cooler.

Then I moved into car camping, and have discovered that a lot of my canoe
camping gear is perfectly suited. It stows down very compactly, covers the
comfort criteria, and I don't have to carry it in. My current car camping
set up has the following:

-Tent: a Latvian version of a northface VE24, 4-man tent with the external
vestibule and lots of little pockets and an overhead net. Under it a
'footprint', and inside it a blanket that serves as a carpet. There's also a
carpet outside the front vestibule to wipe off my feet. And a portable
radio/tape deck with little battery-operated speakers, and two battery
lanterns. I also keep a small dustpan and brush to get out the grit. I hate
grit.

-sleeping bag: a Northface fiberfill BigFoot, with a pillow, a sheet and an
extra-thick Thermarest pad.

-stoves: a Coleman 3-burner propane stove, with pisoelectric lighter, and
also a portable barbeque grill that folds in on itself to store no larger
than a briefcase.

-Kitchen kit: pots, pans and plates that nestle easily, cups and mugs.
Regular kitchen style (not camping gear) cutlery and utensils. It all packs
into a meduim-sized action packer, along with the stove and a cutting board,
the washing up liquids and a few odds and ends like beer coolies.

-Table: from CampMor, a blue roll-up table with aluminum legs. This thing is
excellent! When stored, its about the dimensions of your leg, but it unrolls
and makes a table that is about 1x1 meters, with lots of room for cooking,
eating, etc.

-chair: fold up 'captains chair' with fold up footrest. Ahh.

-lantern: Coleman gas lantern as well as several flashlight lanterns.

-cooler: I know about these; we used many brands on the rivers, and my
experience is that nothing, (nothing!) beats the Igloo brand. The others
either warm up too soon or leak or only last a few seasons, but the Igloo
coolers are the best quality out there. I freeze several platic jugs of
water for the ice and drink them when they melt. I put a large rectangle of
ensolite in the cooler to section off a bottom (long term storage) part and
a top (in and out) part. I also have an electric cooler that runs off the
car battery so I can refreeze stuff on long trips, and have a cold drink
when I'm driving in.

Goodies: solar powered blender, frisbee, fly tying kit, etc, extra tarp to
cover kitchen..

All this stores neatly in an average trunk.

Have fun!

--riverman

Camping stuff
 

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Hey Larry:
I went through a similar metamorphosis. Spent my 20s doing the 45-pound
Kelty Backpack thing, with ensolite, MSR (Svea actually, back then), bivvy
sack, headlamp, down bag that doubled as a cooler (wrapped around the cold
items).

Then I moved into canoe camping, where it was a 150 pound kit. Larger, more
comfortable tent, thermarest pad, coleman propane stove, candle lantern,
fold up chairs, roll up tables, Igloo cooler.

Then I moved into car camping, and have discovered that a lot of my canoe
camping gear is perfectly suited. It stows down very compactly, covers the
comfort criteria, and I don't have to carry it in. My current car camping
set up has the following:

-Tent: a Latvian version of a northface VE24, 4-man tent with the external
vestibule and lots of little pockets and an overhead net. Under it a
'footprint', and inside it a blanket that serves as a carpet. There's also a
carpet outside the front vestibule to wipe off my feet. And a portable
radio/tape deck with little battery-operated speakers, and two battery
lanterns. I also keep a small dustpan and brush to get out the grit. I hate
grit.

-sleeping bag: a Northface fiberfill BigFoot, with a pillow, a sheet and an
extra-thick Thermarest pad.

-stoves: a Coleman 3-burner propane stove, with pisoelectric lighter, and
also a portable barbeque grill that folds in on itself to store no larger
than a briefcase.

-Kitchen kit: pots, pans and plates that nestle easily, cups and mugs.
Regular kitchen style (not camping gear) cutlery and utensils. It all packs
into a meduim-sized action packer, along with the stove and a cutting board,
the washing up liquids and a few odds and ends like beer coolies.

-Table: from CampMor, a blue roll-up table with aluminum legs. This thing is
excellent! When stored, its about the dimensions of your leg, but it unrolls
and makes a table that is about 1x1 meters, with lots of room for cooking,
eating, etc.

-chair: fold up 'captains chair' with fold up footrest. Ahh.

-lantern: Coleman gas lantern as well as several flashlight lanterns.

-cooler: I know about these; we used many brands on the rivers, and my
experience is that nothing, (nothing!) beats the Igloo brand. The others
either warm up too soon or leak or only last a few seasons, but the Igloo
coolers are the best quality out there. I freeze several platic jugs of
water for the ice and drink them when they melt. I put a large rectangle of
ensolite in the cooler to section off a bottom (long term storage) part and
a top (in and out) part. I also have an electric cooler that runs off the
car battery so I can refreeze stuff on long trips, and have a cold drink
when I'm driving in.

Goodies: solar powered blender, frisbee, fly tying kit, etc, extra tarp to
cover kitchen..

All this stores neatly in an average trunk.

Have fun!

--riverman

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me
a couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.

You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't exactly
backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away those little
green tanks.

I'm not sure whether you're suggesting that a propane burner can be adapted
to run off the big tanks, which is a good idea both economically and
ecologically, or that the gasoline burner can be converted. In the former
case, that sort of thing has been around for a long time. I rigged a torch
to run off one of the big tanks a few years ago when I was doing a lot of
soldering. In the latter case, it would be a neat trick (if safe) but
personally I don't see any great advantage to the propane that offsets those
of gasoline. I view it more as a matter of individual taste than any real
practical significance.....once we get passed the tiny propane tanks.
Anyone looking to buy a new stove should get whichever he or she prefers.
The only people in the market for such a conversion would be those who
already have a gasoline burner and then discover that they prefer the
propane.

Wolfgang

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

Coleman's two burner gasoline stove is still the best I've seen for camp
cooking. A lot of people prefer the newer propane models. John told me
a couple of weeks ago in NC that he refills his propane tanks, thus
eliminating one of my major objections to them, but others remain.

You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't exactly
backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away those little
green tanks.

I'm not sure whether you're suggesting that a propane burner can be adapted
to run off the big tanks, which is a good idea both economically and
ecologically, or that the gasoline burner can be converted. In the former
case, that sort of thing has been around for a long time. I rigged a torch
to run off one of the big tanks a few years ago when I was doing a lot of
soldering. In the latter case, it would be a neat trick (if safe) but
personally I don't see any great advantage to the propane that offsets those
of gasoline. I view it more as a matter of individual taste than any real
practical significance.....once we get passed the tiny propane tanks.
Anyone looking to buy a new stove should get whichever he or she prefers.
The only people in the market for such a conversion would be those who
already have a gasoline burner and then discover that they prefer the
propane.

Wolfgang

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Car or Humvee or mini cooper?

john
"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2)
For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s)
where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists.
And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck,
but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Camping stuff
 

Car or Humvee or mini cooper?

john
"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2)
For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s)
where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists.
And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck,
but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Camping stuff
 

Car or Humvee or mini cooper?

john
"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2)
For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s)
where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists.
And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing
to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck,
but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Camping stuff
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't
exactly backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away
those little green tanks.

Wolfgang wrote:
I'm not sure whether you're suggesting that a propane burner can be
adapted to run off the big tanks, which is a good idea both
economically and ecologically, or that the gasoline burner can be
converted.

Coleman makes adapters (high pressure hoses with big and small ends) for
this and also has a three outlet 'tree' so you can run two stoves and a
lantern off of a bulk tank. The one I used to have was obsoleted when they
changed the connector on the bulk tanks a couple of years ago. I could
screw a propane lantern on top of the tree, and run my stove and portable
grill at the same time.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
You can buy an adapter (approx. $25) that lets you hook an ordinary
propane tank to your two-burner Coleman stove. That stove isn't
exactly backpacking equipment. There's no excuse to throwing away
those little green tanks.

Wolfgang wrote:
I'm not sure whether you're suggesting that a propane burner can be
adapted to run off the big tanks, which is a good idea both
economically and ecologically, or that the gasoline burner can be
converted.

Coleman makes adapters (high pressure hoses with big and small ends) for
this and also has a three outlet 'tree' so you can run two stoves and a
lantern off of a bulk tank. The one I used to have was obsoleted when they
changed the connector on the bulk tanks a couple of years ago. I could
screw a propane lantern on top of the tree, and run my stove and portable
grill at the same time.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

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"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in
:

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
//snip//
So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car
camping" gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the
Slough Creek campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make
the FDR ( fishing to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of
storage room in my truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to
consider getting and taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent
camping mode.


snip

1. Get a two-person tent. I have a Kelty (forget the item name) that
cost about $75 and it's just right for one person. It has a little
vestibule where you can keep your boots without having to bring them
into the tent proper, and that's important.

It's tremendously important that the tent have no seams across the
bottom, and most of the other seams, especially the fly, should be taped
out of the box, then seam-sealed before you take it out. A ground cloth
for under the tent will substantially help in wet weather, and increase
the life of your tent. It should be a hair smaller than the footprint of
your tent-- if too big, it will wick water right in. You can use a
plastic tarp cut to size. A whisk broom and dustpan will get rid of mud
you track inside.


2. beer

Just avoid barley wine.


3. a THICK foam pad to put on top of the thermarest

3. beer

4. a backpacking stove. I have a Coleman "Peak 1" butane/propane
backpack stove that puts out 10,000 BTUs, but it has to be lit with a
match. If you can get one with a piezo lighter that doesn't require
matches that'd be much better. I've tried stoves that use "white gas"
or similar, and this stove is much better. No more spilt fuel and
having to pump up the pressure. I used to have a Primus backpacking
stove that I liked better than the Coleman, but it disappeared at
Snowbird under very mysterious circumstances.

5. beer

6. I have a Primus backpacking lamp that runs off the same fuel as the
stove. Puts out plenty of light for one person to read by.

I'd lose the backpacking gear for car camping, and go with a two-burner
Coleman stove and a Coleman lantern. White gas is easier to pack, but
harder to store and can make your stuff smell. I find propane far easier
to manage, particularly out of a car. Whichever you pick, stove and
lantern fuel should match. Don't forget PLENTY of extra mantles for the
lantern, and duct tape them to the case so you always know where they
are.


7. Wild Turkey

Well, Maker's Mark.


8. pots etc., in a net bag. The net bag can be used to put the beer
in, then put in the creek to cool it.

Pick up a good 5-day cooler.


The tent, together with the thermarest and the foam pad, are
surprisingly comfortable. Also, I've found that the dehydrated meals
sold in outdoor stores can be pretty good. A bit high in salt, but can
really hit the spot after a long day. Most of them say they serve two,
which makes an ample meal for one.

Bob




One last luxury-- a fleece sleeping bag is inexpensive, and when used as
a liner for a real bag, will ward off the chill on a three dog night.

Camping stuff
 

"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in
:

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
//snip//
So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car
camping" gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the
Slough Creek campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make
the FDR ( fishing to driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of
storage room in my truck, but I'd like suggestions on what I need to
consider getting and taking to be reasonably comfortable in tent
camping mode.


snip

1. Get a two-person tent. I have a Kelty (forget the item name) that
cost about $75 and it's just right for one person. It has a little
vestibule where you can keep your boots without having to bring them
into the tent proper, and that's important.

It's tremendously important that the tent have no seams across the
bottom, and most of the other seams, especially the fly, should be taped
out of the box, then seam-sealed before you take it out. A ground cloth
for under the tent will substantially help in wet weather, and increase
the life of your tent. It should be a hair smaller than the footprint of
your tent-- if too big, it will wick water right in. You can use a
plastic tarp cut to size. A whisk broom and dustpan will get rid of mud
you track inside.


2. beer

Just avoid barley wine.


3. a THICK foam pad to put on top of the thermarest

3. beer

4. a backpacking stove. I have a Coleman "Peak 1" butane/propane
backpack stove that puts out 10,000 BTUs, but it has to be lit with a
match. If you can get one with a piezo lighter that doesn't require
matches that'd be much better. I've tried stoves that use "white gas"
or similar, and this stove is much better. No more spilt fuel and
having to pump up the pressure. I used to have a Primus backpacking
stove that I liked better than the Coleman, but it disappeared at
Snowbird under very mysterious circumstances.

5. beer

6. I have a Primus backpacking lamp that runs off the same fuel as the
stove. Puts out plenty of light for one person to read by.

I'd lose the backpacking gear for car camping, and go with a two-burner
Coleman stove and a Coleman lantern. White gas is easier to pack, but
harder to store and can make your stuff smell. I find propane far easier
to manage, particularly out of a car. Whichever you pick, stove and
lantern fuel should match. Don't forget PLENTY of extra mantles for the
lantern, and duct tape them to the case so you always know where they
are.


7. Wild Turkey

Well, Maker's Mark.


8. pots etc., in a net bag. The net bag can be used to put the beer
in, then put in the creek to cool it.

Pick up a good 5-day cooler.


The tent, together with the thermarest and the foam pad, are
surprisingly comfortable. Also, I've found that the dehydrated meals
sold in outdoor stores can be pretty good. A bit high in salt, but can
really hit the spot after a long day. Most of them say they serve two,
which makes an ample meal for one.

Bob




One last luxury-- a fleece sleeping bag is inexpensive, and when used as
a liner for a real bag, will ward off the chill on a three dog night.

Camping stuff
 

For car camping:

1. Coleman gas stove and lantern.

2. Big fat air mattress and a float tube pump

3. Four man tent for one guy

4. Slumberjack Big Timber sleeping bag!

I may not have Sage and Abel, but Coleman and Slumberjack, especially
Slumberjack, have kept me comfortable and warm.

bruce h

Camping stuff
 

On 11/1/04 7:24 PM, in article
, "Larry L"
wrote:

Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2) For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s) where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists. And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck, but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

I won't produce a full check list, but having "descended" to car camping
from a youth of backpacking, and, being still, relatively speaking, young
and full of beans, most of my car camping gear approximates backpacking
gear, with a few additions to make life more comfy in camp.

Like Wolfgang, I like gas powered two burner Coleman stoves. I've got the
one my parents bought back in the late 50's. That said, I don't use it all
that often. Most of my camping is either solo or with my two children, and
the Coleman just seems like overkill. That, and, as Wolfgang will attest, I
just *like* firing up my trusty Svea. Some might call it tempting fate :-)
Single burner (occasionally combined with cooking over the fire) is enough
for my campground culinary needs. For coffee, again since I seldom camp
with other grown ups, I carry an aluminum stovetop espresso maker.

Tent is a three man Eureka Timberline, a tent that is somewhat too heavy for
backpacking (got a North Face for that) but roomy for time in camp,
inexpensive, and keeps me dry for several days, even at Penns Creek in May.

I sleep in a down bag (splurged for a gorgeous and astoundingly light weight
bag from Feathered Friends) so I use a full length closed cell foam pad.

I too carry one of those fold out camp chairs that seem ubiquitous these
days, and would miss it if I didn't have it.

Throw in a handful of books, binoculars and libations, and that pretty well
rounds out my car camping gear.

Bill

Camping stuff
 

On 11/1/04 7:24 PM, in article
, "Larry L"
wrote:

Well, my camping has been in two, very different styles. (1)When I was
young ...backpacking and mountaineering, bivy bags, MSR stoves, etc (2) For
my business and in my current not young state .. travel trailer, TV,
microwave, generator, shower, etc

But, each of the last few summers I've wanted to go visit a stream(s) where
taking the trailer was too big a pain, or no place to park it exists. And
my bivy bag days are long gone ... comfort is priority #1 for this old
grump.

So, I'm thinking of getting a minimal amount of in-between "car camping"
gear so that I can leave the trailer and go stay in the Slough Creek
campground ( example) for a night or two and thus make the FDR ( fishing to
driving ratio ) reasonable. I have plenty of storage room in my truck, but
I'd like suggestions on what I need to consider getting and taking to be
reasonably comfortable in tent camping mode.

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

I won't produce a full check list, but having "descended" to car camping
from a youth of backpacking, and, being still, relatively speaking, young
and full of beans, most of my car camping gear approximates backpacking
gear, with a few additions to make life more comfy in camp.

Like Wolfgang, I like gas powered two burner Coleman stoves. I've got the
one my parents bought back in the late 50's. That said, I don't use it all
that often. Most of my camping is either solo or with my two children, and
the Coleman just seems like overkill. That, and, as Wolfgang will attest, I
just *like* firing up my trusty Svea. Some might call it tempting fate :-)
Single burner (occasionally combined with cooking over the fire) is enough
for my campground culinary needs. For coffee, again since I seldom camp
with other grown ups, I carry an aluminum stovetop espresso maker.

Tent is a three man Eureka Timberline, a tent that is somewhat too heavy for
backpacking (got a North Face for that) but roomy for time in camp,
inexpensive, and keeps me dry for several days, even at Penns Creek in May.

I sleep in a down bag (splurged for a gorgeous and astoundingly light weight
bag from Feathered Friends) so I use a full length closed cell foam pad.

I too carry one of those fold out camp chairs that seem ubiquitous these
days, and would miss it if I didn't have it.

Throw in a handful of books, binoculars and libations, and that pretty well
rounds out my car camping gear.

Bill

Camping stuff
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:24:05 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Instead of a cooler I use an ARB (made by Engel) fridge. It runs off 12v or
120v and, as long as you drive your car every day or so to charge the battery,
will keep things cold indefinitely without having to get ice. They can be used
as either a fridge or a freezer, but I don't know how long it would run
between battery chargers when set to freeze.
--
Charlie...
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/c/cchoc/

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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:24:05 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Instead of a cooler I use an ARB (made by Engel) fridge. It runs off 12v or
120v and, as long as you drive your car every day or so to charge the battery,
will keep things cold indefinitely without having to get ice. They can be used
as either a fridge or a freezer, but I don't know how long it would run
between battery chargers when set to freeze.
--
Charlie...
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/c/cchoc/

Camping stuff
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:24:05 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Fellow roffians ( ok I'm just a fringe roffian, but you get the idea ) how
about a car/tent camping check list? Be specific if a particular brand/
type of item is preferred

Instead of a cooler I use an ARB (made by Engel) fridge. It runs off 12v or
120v and, as long as you drive your car every day or so to charge the battery,
will keep things cold indefinitely without having to get ice. They can be used
as either a fridge or a freezer, but I don't know how long it would run
between battery chargers when set to freeze.
--
Charlie...
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/c/cchoc/

Camping stuff
 

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 11/1/04 7:24 PM, in article
...as Wolfgang will attest, I
just *like* firing up my trusty Svea.

To be sure. And as anyone but an abject fool will attest, ANY stove
upon which somebody else takes the time to brew coffee for you is a
good one. :)

I sleep in a down bag (splurged for a gorgeous and astoundingly
light weight
bag from Feathered Friends) so I use a full length closed cell foam
pad.

I haven't looked closely for some years, but I suspect down is still
the best insulator available. Unfortunately, it is next to worthless
when it gets wet.....or even damp. Some of us, including your humble
narrator, transpire a lot of moisture; I have never managed to get
through a night in a down bag (and I used a good North Face model for
about 15 years) without the insulation getting moist and matted. In
short, I virtually always froze in a down bag. Never again. To each
his or her own.

Wolfgang

Camping stuff
 

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 11/1/04 7:24 PM, in article
...as Wolfgang will attest, I
just *like* firing up my trusty Svea.

To be sure. And as anyone but an abject fool will attest, ANY stove
upon which somebody else takes the time to brew coffee for you is a
good one. :)

I sleep in a down bag (splurged for a gorgeous and astoundingly
light weight
bag from Feathered Friends) so I use a full length closed cell foam
pad.

I haven't looked closely for some years, but I suspect down is still
the best insulator available. Unfortunately, it is next to worthless
when it gets wet.....or even damp. Some of us, including your humble
narrator, transpire a lot of moisture; I have never managed to get
through a night in a down bag (and I used a good North Face model for
about 15 years) without the insulation getting moist and matted. In
short, I virtually always froze in a down bag. Never again. To each
his or her own.

Wolfgang

Camping stuff
 

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 11/1/04 7:24 PM, in article
...as Wolfgang will attest, I
just *like* firing up my trusty Svea.

To be sure. And as anyone but an abject fool will attest, ANY stove
upon which somebody else takes the time to brew coffee for you is a
good one. :)

I sleep in a down bag (splurged for a gorgeous and astoundingly
light weight
bag from Feathered Friends) so I use a full length closed cell foam
pad.

I haven't looked closely for some years, but I suspect down is still
the best insulator available. Unfortunately, it is next to worthless
when it gets wet.....or even damp. Some of us, including your humble
narrator, transpire a lot of moisture; I have never managed to get
through a night in a down bag (and I used a good North Face model for
about 15 years) without the insulation getting moist and matted. In
short, I virtually always froze in a down bag. Never again. To each
his or her own.

Wolfgang

Camping stuff
 

"bruiser" wrote in message
...
For car camping:

1. Coleman gas stove and lantern.

2. Big fat air mattress and a float tube pump

3. Four man tent for one guy

4. Slumberjack Big Timber sleeping bag!

I may not have Sage and Abel, but Coleman and Slumberjack, especially
Slumberjack, have kept me comfortable and warm.

Gotta agree with Bruce. When car camping, I use a 10' by 10' tent, only
because it's big enough for the Coleman king size air mattress; I find these
air mattresses as comfortable as the Posturepeodic, and they are a lot
warmer than cots.

Camping stuff
 

"bruiser" wrote in message
...
For car camping:

1. Coleman gas stove and lantern.

2. Big fat air mattress and a float tube pump

3. Four man tent for one guy

4. Slumberjack Big Timber sleeping bag!

I may not have Sage and Abel, but Coleman and Slumberjack, especially
Slumberjack, have kept me comfortable and warm.

Gotta agree with Bruce. When car camping, I use a 10' by 10' tent, only
because it's big enough for the Coleman king size air mattress; I find these
air mattresses as comfortable as the Posturepeodic, and they are a lot
warmer than cots.

Camping stuff
 

"riverman" wrote

Hey Larry:
I went through a similar metamorphosis. Spent my 20s doing the 45-pound
Kelty Backpack thing, with ensolite, MSR (Svea actually, back then),

That just caused one of those little flashbacks that seem to serve as memory
these days.

A cheap Svea look-a-like in a mountaint tent at about 11,500 feet, trying to
melt snow for some freeze dried dinner. Suddenly the stove, in it's cook
hole in the tent floor, started to have flames shooting out around the
bottom. A brief effort to turn it off failed, so I flung it out onto the
snow using the little key on a chain dealie, where it exploded in a rather
impressive fire ball. I replaced it with one of the very first models of
MSR. Later I got one of the first MSR metal handled ice axes, it's still
hanging out in the barn, the last item besides a few carabiners, put to
other uses, that I have from that era in my outdoors life. I noticed some
MSR equipment in the Patagonia outlet in Dillon, Mt. so I guess they are
still in business ...

Camping stuff
 

"riverman" wrote

Hey Larry:
I went through a similar metamorphosis. Spent my 20s doing the 45-pound
Kelty Backpack thing, with ensolite, MSR (Svea actually, back then),

That just caused one of those little flashbacks that seem to serve as memory
these days.

A cheap Svea look-a-like in a mountaint tent at about 11,500 feet, trying to
melt snow for some freeze dried dinner. Suddenly the stove, in it's cook
hole in the tent floor, started to have flames shooting out around the
bottom. A brief effort to turn it off failed, so I flung it out onto the
snow using the little key on a chain dealie, where it exploded in a rather
impressive fire ball. I replaced it with one of the very first models of
MSR. Later I got one of the first MSR metal handled ice axes, it's still
hanging out in the barn, the last item besides a few carabiners, put to
other uses, that I have from that era in my outdoors life. I noticed some
MSR equipment in the Patagonia outlet in Dillon, Mt. so I guess they are
still in business ...

Camping stuff
 

Charlie Wilson wrote:
"bruiser" wrote in message
...

For car camping:

1. Coleman gas stove and lantern.

2. Big fat air mattress and a float tube pump

3. Four man tent for one guy

4. Slumberjack Big Timber sleeping bag!

I may not have Sage and Abel, but Coleman and Slumberjack, especially
Slumberjack, have kept me comfortable and warm.


Gotta agree with Bruce. When car camping, I use a 10' by 10' tent, only
because it's big enough for the Coleman king size air mattress; I find these
air mattresses as comfortable as the Posturepeodic, and they are a lot
warmer than cots.

I use a pop-up Northstar cab-over camper on my F150, with a comfortable
double mattress, ample sleeping room for another person, a furnace, a
refrigerator, a sink, a water heater, an outdoor shower (which I haven't
yet used), a two-burner stovetop, and lots of storage space. It's
insanely great compared to tent camping, but watch out for your rod,
leaning against the camper, before you crank down the top. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Charlie Wilson wrote:
"bruiser" wrote in message
...

For car camping:

1. Coleman gas stove and lantern.

2. Big fat air mattress and a float tube pump

3. Four man tent for one guy

4. Slumberjack Big Timber sleeping bag!

I may not have Sage and Abel, but Coleman and Slumberjack, especially
Slumberjack, have kept me comfortable and warm.


Gotta agree with Bruce. When car camping, I use a 10' by 10' tent, only
because it's big enough for the Coleman king size air mattress; I find these
air mattresses as comfortable as the Posturepeodic, and they are a lot
warmer than cots.

I use a pop-up Northstar cab-over camper on my F150, with a comfortable
double mattress, ample sleeping room for another person, a furnace, a
refrigerator, a sink, a water heater, an outdoor shower (which I haven't
yet used), a two-burner stovetop, and lots of storage space. It's
insanely great compared to tent camping, but watch out for your rod,
leaning against the camper, before you crank down the top. :-)

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Later I got one of the first MSR metal handled ice axes, it's still
hanging out in the barn, the last item besides a few carabiners, put to
other uses, that I have from that era in my outdoors life.

Yep, I think of all the specialized camping gear that morphed into and was
assimilated into all that specialized river running gear....now my
carabiners are a belt-loop keychain, or something to hang my bookbag on the
wall with. Most of my other gear has gotten scattered with the years. Was a
time that someone could say "wanna do a river trip" and I would only have to
throw some fresh underwear into my river duffel, and I'd be ready.

The wheel keeps on turning....

--riverman
(who has is back out today, and feel exceptionally old....)

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Later I got one of the first MSR metal handled ice axes, it's still
hanging out in the barn, the last item besides a few carabiners, put to
other uses, that I have from that era in my outdoors life.

Yep, I think of all the specialized camping gear that morphed into and was
assimilated into all that specialized river running gear....now my
carabiners are a belt-loop keychain, or something to hang my bookbag on the
wall with. Most of my other gear has gotten scattered with the years. Was a
time that someone could say "wanna do a river trip" and I would only have to
throw some fresh underwear into my river duffel, and I'd be ready.

The wheel keeps on turning....

--riverman
(who has is back out today, and feel exceptionally old....)