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Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the
US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) |
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Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing
capacity and fuel economy? john "riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) |
Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing
capacity and fuel economy? john "riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) |
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"riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) "asadi...." wrote in message .net... Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing capacity and fuel economy? john Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman |
Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
"riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) "asadi...." wrote in message .net... Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing capacity and fuel economy? john Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman |
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riverman wrote: I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. I think you'll find most folks who buy SUVs' don't tow. But if you've driven in any American suburb recently you would understand that a 4 cyl pathfinder will get you killed. Got to race to get those close in mall parking spaces. |
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In article , riverman
wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. As far as the diesels go there are some pretty strict limits on importation due to emissions (yea pick your poison, SO emission or particulates) but I think once low sulfur diesel is available in the US (mid 2006) we might see a bunch more TDI like vehicles. It's not just a matter of the fuel but the better fuel will allow for better emissions equipment to be installed. Current emissions tests require that they be done using the fuel available and with that current diesels don't generally pass the NOS test. Allen |
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In article , riverman
wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. As far as the diesels go there are some pretty strict limits on importation due to emissions (yea pick your poison, SO emission or particulates) but I think once low sulfur diesel is available in the US (mid 2006) we might see a bunch more TDI like vehicles. It's not just a matter of the fuel but the better fuel will allow for better emissions equipment to be installed. Current emissions tests require that they be done using the fuel available and with that current diesels don't generally pass the NOS test. Allen |
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"Allen Epps" wrote in message ... In article , riverman wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. Hmm, possibly, but these cars (4 cylinder 4WD Terranos) already exist. The engineering is done, they are manufactured, parts are available, and they are being driven. Do manufacturers make different cars entirely for the US market? Besides engine size, will a V8 Pathfinder from the US have other differences from one in the UK, stuff that will require additional engineering, etc. I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They are out there. --riverman (who just doesn't get it...) |
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"Allen Epps" wrote in message ... In article , riverman wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. Hmm, possibly, but these cars (4 cylinder 4WD Terranos) already exist. The engineering is done, they are manufactured, parts are available, and they are being driven. Do manufacturers make different cars entirely for the US market? Besides engine size, will a V8 Pathfinder from the US have other differences from one in the UK, stuff that will require additional engineering, etc. I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They are out there. --riverman (who just doesn't get it...) |
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I have not doubt but that when 'they' in the tow capacity market, the mpg
will be better. john . . .awaiting the day. "riverman" wrote in message ... "riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) "asadi...." wrote in message .net... Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing capacity and fuel economy? john Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman |
Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
I have not doubt but that when 'they' in the tow capacity market, the mpg
will be better. john . . .awaiting the day. "riverman" wrote in message ... "riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able to get a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota 4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in fact, a quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about 32 mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported from Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK. http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310 I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that this is all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK, for certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all sorts of ways to improve mileage. --riverman (thinking of importing a vehicle...) "asadi...." wrote in message .net... Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing capacity and fuel economy? john Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman |
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riverman wrote:
"riverman" wrote in message ... Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for the US market to lower fuel economy?? IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil dependence as part of the war effort. It's debatable whether the war was "about oil" but one thing that is clear to me, is that oil money is behind the terrorists and oil money gives them their power. But "muscle" cars are "in" and that kind of program isn't free market economy, so we won't be seeing that....... Willi |
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From: Willi & Sue
IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil dependence One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he was unlikely to come up with one. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
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From: Willi & Sue
IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil dependence One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he was unlikely to come up with one. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
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"riverman" wrote: I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They are out there. Had one, hated it. About four years ago, with the best of intentions, I traded my old K5 Blazer for a Honda CRV (25ish MPG). The thing was frightful to drive on ANY highway grade; if I got stuck behind a big rig doing 40 up a grade, I dared not try to pass unless there was at least a 200-300 yard gap in the left lane. I had to keep the accelerator floored (revving it to about 5800 rpm) to keep it up to 55mph on many grades posted at 75mph. I hated being passed by sand and gravel trucks; interstate U-Haul rentals full of migrants seemed like sports cars in comparison. Not only was it slow, it was also unbearably noisy at highway speeds. I kept that awful pos for just over a year, and I only kept it that long in hope that it just needed to be "broken in". |
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"riverman" wrote: I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They are out there. Had one, hated it. About four years ago, with the best of intentions, I traded my old K5 Blazer for a Honda CRV (25ish MPG). The thing was frightful to drive on ANY highway grade; if I got stuck behind a big rig doing 40 up a grade, I dared not try to pass unless there was at least a 200-300 yard gap in the left lane. I had to keep the accelerator floored (revving it to about 5800 rpm) to keep it up to 55mph on many grades posted at 75mph. I hated being passed by sand and gravel trucks; interstate U-Haul rentals full of migrants seemed like sports cars in comparison. Not only was it slow, it was also unbearably noisy at highway speeds. I kept that awful pos for just over a year, and I only kept it that long in hope that it just needed to be "broken in". |
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Allen Epps wrote in message . ..
In article , riverman wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. As far as the diesels go there are some pretty strict limits on importation due to emissions (yea pick your poison, SO emission or particulates) but I think once low sulfur diesel is available in the US (mid 2006) we might see a bunch more TDI like vehicles. It's not just a matter of the fuel but the better fuel will allow for better emissions equipment to be installed. Current emissions tests require that they be done using the fuel available and with that current diesels don't generally pass the NOS test. Allen Forget about what will tow a trailer. Worry about what will STOP a trailer. Lou T |
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Allen Epps wrote in message . ..
In article , riverman wrote: Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame, larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles are designed more often to be set up for towing? I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano. I already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United States of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg. Why won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to tow things around. --riverman I suspect for much the same reason that a manual transmission is not available on the new Ford F-150. It's not worth the engineering effort for the sales that it would bring. In the case of the 4 cyl that would be more economical Toyota says go buy the _____ whatever their small SUV or wagon is. The engineering is not simply making it fit but passing emissions, crash testing, training mechanics to work on it, establishing parts supply lines and such. Car companies work on some damn narrow margins and if it's not profitable they won't do it. Well, maybe British car companies would which explains why you don't see many Rover dealers over here anymore. As far as the diesels go there are some pretty strict limits on importation due to emissions (yea pick your poison, SO emission or particulates) but I think once low sulfur diesel is available in the US (mid 2006) we might see a bunch more TDI like vehicles. It's not just a matter of the fuel but the better fuel will allow for better emissions equipment to be installed. Current emissions tests require that they be done using the fuel available and with that current diesels don't generally pass the NOS test. Allen Forget about what will tow a trailer. Worry about what will STOP a trailer. Lou T |
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A vehicle that slow would get you run over as try to enter the freeway around
here. Big Dale |
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