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the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

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bones wrote:

the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

What? Kerry won after all?

JR

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bones wrote:

the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:12:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

bones wrote:

the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.


.... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

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bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:18:24 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)


163 total

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Ken Fortenberry writes:

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.

Uh, I've seen how you dress, Ken. It is definitely Wal-Mart, Target, K-mart.

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bones wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:18:24 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)



163 total

I don't remember the exact numbers but at my last physical
the doctor said some folks are paying thousands of dollars
a year to achieve similar numbers. I've been mostly vegetarian
going on 15 years now (not coincidentally I've been living
with a vegetarian going on 15 years now) and that no doubt
helps.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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bones wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:18:24 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)



163 total

I don't remember the exact numbers but at my last physical
the doctor said some folks are paying thousands of dollars
a year to achieve similar numbers. I've been mostly vegetarian
going on 15 years now (not coincidentally I've been living
with a vegetarian going on 15 years now) and that no doubt
helps.

--
Ken Fortenberry

well...
 

:

bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)


163 total

Indian Joe notices--well things are calming down on Roff or the members are
getting older.--Last time I passed thru the guys were talking about fist
ter cuffs .
Is that number after LESCOL ?

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

Uh, I've seen how you dress, Ken. It is definitely Wal-Mart, Target, K-mart.

How do you know it's not Goodwill, Salvation Army, St. Vincent DePaul ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

Uh, I've seen how you dress, Ken. It is definitely Wal-Mart, Target, K-mart.

How do you know it's not Goodwill, Salvation Army, St. Vincent DePaul ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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nope... I eat very little red meat and have done so for years.On Thu,
11 Nov 2004 21:15:38 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:


:

bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)


163 total

Indian Joe notices--well things are calming down on Roff or the members are
getting older.--Last time I passed thru the guys were talking about fist
ter cuffs .
Is that number after LESCOL ?

Nope I eat very little red meat and have do so for years.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:22:47 GMT, bones wrote:

nope... I eat very little red meat and have done so for years.On Thu,
11 Nov 2004 21:15:38 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:


:

bones wrote:

... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?

Uh, no. My liver has been pickled in alcohol since sometime
late in the Carter administration. Your blood pressure is
doubtless healthier than mine too, but I'll kick your arse
on cholesterol levels !! ;-)


163 total

Indian Joe notices--well things are calming down on Roff or the members are
getting older.--Last time I passed thru the guys were talking about fist
ter cuffs .
Is that number after LESCOL ?

Nope I eat very little red meat and have do so for years.


that be "done so for years"... A big steak or the like , does not
entice me any longer...in fact never really did. I have been trying a
lot of turkish dishes lately. Interesting stuff, a thousands ways
with chick peas ;-)

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"bones" wrote in message
...

I have been trying a
lot of turkish dishes lately. Interesting stuff, a thousands ways
with chick peas ;-)

We haven't done anything that was specifically called Turkish, but we've
done a lot of "Mediterranean" which, of course, includes a huge variety
including much of what must be found in Turkey. Also, we have never
selected dishes especially for nutritional or health considerations, but we
tend to eat a fairly healthy diet largely because we like a varied diet
including lots of grains and vegetables. Cheese are out great
downfall.......but that's another story altogether.

Anyway, chick peas are the bomb! A million and one uses.....last time
anyone looked.....and new ones cropping up every day. We found a killer
recipe for chick pea stew ( I may have shared it here at one time) a couple
of years ago in "Cooking Light" and have worked a lot of variations on it.
A perennial favorite in our household.

Wolfgang
becky prefers garbanzo beans.....go figure.

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"bones" wrote in message
...

I have been trying a
lot of turkish dishes lately. Interesting stuff, a thousands ways
with chick peas ;-)

We haven't done anything that was specifically called Turkish, but we've
done a lot of "Mediterranean" which, of course, includes a huge variety
including much of what must be found in Turkey. Also, we have never
selected dishes especially for nutritional or health considerations, but we
tend to eat a fairly healthy diet largely because we like a varied diet
including lots of grains and vegetables. Cheese are out great
downfall.......but that's another story altogether.

Anyway, chick peas are the bomb! A million and one uses.....last time
anyone looked.....and new ones cropping up every day. We found a killer
recipe for chick pea stew ( I may have shared it here at one time) a couple
of years ago in "Cooking Light" and have worked a lot of variations on it.
A perennial favorite in our household.

Wolfgang
becky prefers garbanzo beans.....go figure.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:39:40 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"bones" wrote in message
.. .

I have been trying a
lot of turkish dishes lately. Interesting stuff, a thousands ways
with chick peas ;-)

We haven't done anything that was specifically called Turkish, but we've
done a lot of "Mediterranean" which, of course, includes a huge variety
including much of what must be found in Turkey. Also, we have never
selected dishes especially for nutritional or health considerations, but we
tend to eat a fairly healthy diet largely because we like a varied diet
including lots of grains and vegetables. Cheese are out great
downfall.......but that's another story altogether.

Anyway, chick peas are the bomb! A million and one uses.....last time
anyone looked.....and new ones cropping up every day. We found a killer
recipe for chick pea stew ( I may have shared it here at one time) a couple
of years ago in "Cooking Light" and have worked a lot of variations on it.
A perennial favorite in our household.

Wolfgang
becky prefers garbanzo beans.....go figure.



Like you say I think "Mediterranean" is more accurate. My son spent
some time on a dig at Goridon an few years back. He and the "camp"
cook still exchange recipes via email. Turkey is a fascinating place.
I'm saving $$ to try and see it before I achieve room temp ;-)

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"Bones" wrote in message
...

Like you say I think "Mediterranean" is more accurate. My son spent
some time on a dig at Goridon an few years back. He and the "camp"
cook still exchange recipes via email. Turkey is a fascinating place.
I'm saving $$ to try and see it before I achieve room temp ;-)

Microwave......no more than ten seconds at a time.......defrost setting.*

Wolfgang
*extremely important......trust me. :(

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"Bones" wrote in message
...

Like you say I think "Mediterranean" is more accurate. My son spent
some time on a dig at Goridon an few years back. He and the "camp"
cook still exchange recipes via email. Turkey is a fascinating place.
I'm saving $$ to try and see it before I achieve room temp ;-)

Microwave......no more than ten seconds at a time.......defrost setting.*

Wolfgang
*extremely important......trust me. :(

well...
 

"Bones" wrote in message
...

Like you say I think "Mediterranean" is more accurate. My son spent
some time on a dig at Goridon an few years back. He and the "camp"
cook still exchange recipes via email. Turkey is a fascinating place.
I'm saving $$ to try and see it before I achieve room temp ;-)

Microwave......no more than ten seconds at a time.......defrost setting.*

Wolfgang
*extremely important......trust me. :(

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:08:44 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
.. .

Like you say I think "Mediterranean" is more accurate. My son spent
some time on a dig at Goridon an few years back. He and the "camp"
cook still exchange recipes via email. Turkey is a fascinating place.
I'm saving $$ to try and see it before I achieve room temp ;-)

Microwave......no more than ten seconds at a time.......defrost setting.*

Wolfgang
*extremely important......trust me. :(



turn at least once...

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bones wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:12:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:


the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.



... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi

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bones wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:12:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:


the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.



... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:04:44 -0700, Willi & Sue
wrote:

bones wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:12:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:


the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.



... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi


Well willie, it was a rather oblique reference to a no longer
recreational habit of his that deposits fat in the liver and is the
underlying driving force behind all the projectile vomit that he tries
to push through his keyboard.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:04:44 -0700, Willi & Sue
wrote:

bones wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:12:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


bones wrote:


the young boys of Rahmalla are a bit safer today.

Another low IQ, obese, Wal-Mart shopper heard from.



... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi


Well willie, it was a rather oblique reference to a no longer
recreational habit of his that deposits fat in the liver and is the
underlying driving force behind all the projectile vomit that he tries
to push through his keyboard.

well...
 

I don't remember the exact numbers but at my last physical
the doctor said some folks are paying thousands of dollars
a year to achieve similar numbers. I've been mostly vegetarian
going on 15 years now (not coincidentally I've been living
with a vegetarian going on 15 years now) and that no doubt
helps.

I have been a vegetarian for about 40 years. I'm 70 lbs overweight,
take medicine for Hypertension, just got on medicine to lower my
Chloresterol, and am a border line diabetic.

If I ate meat I would probably be dead. But on the other hand it might
be the soybeans that's doing me in.

well...
 

I don't remember the exact numbers but at my last physical
the doctor said some folks are paying thousands of dollars
a year to achieve similar numbers. I've been mostly vegetarian
going on 15 years now (not coincidentally I've been living
with a vegetarian going on 15 years now) and that no doubt
helps.

I have been a vegetarian for about 40 years. I'm 70 lbs overweight,
take medicine for Hypertension, just got on medicine to lower my
Chloresterol, and am a border line diabetic.

If I ate meat I would probably be dead. But on the other hand it might
be the soybeans that's doing me in.

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Fat Freddy wrote:


If I ate meat I would probably be dead.

I think you should go for it. I'd start with rack of lamb.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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bones wrote:


... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi



Well willie, it was a rather oblique reference to a no longer
recreational habit of his that deposits fat in the liver and is the
underlying driving force behind all the projectile vomit that he tries
to push through his keyboard.



It was too oblique for me, I guess. But now that you explain
it.............

Willi

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bones wrote:


... hey ken, want to compare liver panal results...?


No offense Harry, but your reply doesn't come across too well. It's like
saying "I'm a stupid, Walmart shopper but I'm not FAT!"

Willi



Well willie, it was a rather oblique reference to a no longer
recreational habit of his that deposits fat in the liver and is the
underlying driving force behind all the projectile vomit that he tries
to push through his keyboard.



It was too oblique for me, I guess. But now that you explain
it.............

Willi

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"bones" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:18:24 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

bones wrote:
163 total

No expert on this but have a bit of personal experience with this and . . .
Beware of Doc's who are still using total # as a screen. . . its the
components you need to track (good and bad C), and the ratios, as well as
the triglyiserides. That said mine ain't so good and my total is similar to
yours. My guess is that you probably have a handle on it, so my advise is
meant for the broader group.

Doc should cut you copies of whole lipids panel results . . . same for other
tests (liver function etc) . You paid for it, you should get a copy. If
your Doc won't break it down or share the reports, **** can him/her. There
are Docs who skated by in stat and who misinterpret the reports. Its easy
to check yourself if you were half awake back in college, or even if you
have to brush up; the stats they use in these tests are very basic stuff.
(Actually some of it is so primitive as to make you shudder, and some of the
specious stuff used in drug trials is even worse, but that is another rant).

And . . . take the test measures (lipids panel, good and bad C levels,
trigl. liver panel etc) and make a simple time series table of the numbers.
Making graphs is even better. the point is to see the trends. The Docs are
just mostly looking at the most current levels, and comparing them to the
current recommended and warning levels. They usually don't have time to work
up their own time series. I bring MY time series in and we add the most
recent test results. Docs WANT to practice good medicine and they know that
the time series is a better context for comparison that just the most recent
results. If the DOC doesn't want to see the time series . . . you gotta
wonder.

Side note: Early on in my heart problem sojourn I was reading a lipids panel
test from a major hospital lab, and a ratio looked funny. I checked back to
get the component numbers and did the calculation manually myself. Long
story short . . . I found that there was an error in the computerized
calculation which I called in. Checking back on earlier tests I found the
same discrepancy. The calculation was simple but the programming was sloppy.
Lesson: techies rarely get it right the first time, "fixing" **** is what
justifies keeping them around; you need to learn more about the common test
metrics yourself.

Dave
Ideology Sucks

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"bones" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:18:24 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

bones wrote:
163 total

No expert on this but have a bit of personal experience with this and . . .
Beware of Doc's who are still using total # as a screen. . . its the
components you need to track (good and bad C), and the ratios, as well as
the triglyiserides. That said mine ain't so good and my total is similar to
yours. My guess is that you probably have a handle on it, so my advise is
meant for the broader group.

Doc should cut you copies of whole lipids panel results . . . same for other
tests (liver function etc) . You paid for it, you should get a copy. If
your Doc won't break it down or share the reports, **** can him/her. There
are Docs who skated by in stat and who misinterpret the reports. Its easy
to check yourself if you were half awake back in college, or even if you
have to brush up; the stats they use in these tests are very basic stuff.
(Actually some of it is so primitive as to make you shudder, and some of the
specious stuff used in drug trials is even worse, but that is another rant).

And . . . take the test measures (lipids panel, good and bad C levels,
trigl. liver panel etc) and make a simple time series table of the numbers.
Making graphs is even better. the point is to see the trends. The Docs are
just mostly looking at the most current levels, and comparing them to the
current recommended and warning levels. They usually don't have time to work
up their own time series. I bring MY time series in and we add the most
recent test results. Docs WANT to practice good medicine and they know that
the time series is a better context for comparison that just the most recent
results. If the DOC doesn't want to see the time series . . . you gotta
wonder.

Side note: Early on in my heart problem sojourn I was reading a lipids panel
test from a major hospital lab, and a ratio looked funny. I checked back to
get the component numbers and did the calculation manually myself. Long
story short . . . I found that there was an error in the computerized
calculation which I called in. Checking back on earlier tests I found the
same discrepancy. The calculation was simple but the programming was sloppy.
Lesson: techies rarely get it right the first time, "fixing" **** is what
justifies keeping them around; you need to learn more about the common test
metrics yourself.

Dave
Ideology Sucks

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

Ideology Sucks

Have you considered trying something else?

Wolfgang
well, that's what I'D do.