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http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247
Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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"Joe Z" wrote in message: "http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?STORYID=10990814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate." What is wrong with using a boat with no horsepower rating plate? I own three boats and none have a plate. Would this mean if I decided to fish a tournament, I could not? All my boats do not have a horsepower rating plate because they were all custom built aluminum boats. Many of the local boat builders built there boats according to commercial USCG laws and not recreational thus not horsepower rating plate is needed. Sarge |
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Are you referring to the BFL disqualification of a 20'1" boat because it did
not have a US Coast Guard Max HP plate, which can not legally be placed on a boat over 20' because the Coast Guard does not rate boats over 20'? Actually the Coast Guard does not rate any boats. They have a published HP calculation table for boats 20' and under which a boat manufacturer is supposed to use If the boat complies they are supposed to provide their own data plate which says "Coast Guard Max HP Rating of XXX". Some boats like Blazer actually put a plate in their boats which says, The Coast Guard Does Not Rate Boats over 20' The Maximum Horsepower for This Boat is Unlimited Its stupid, and if the BFL is going to claim to honor their own rule in black and white they must disqualify every boat over 20'. Their rule says Coast Guard max rating, not just manufacturers rating. No boat over 20' has a Coast Guard rating. Of course, what is not clear in original article I read was whether or not the disqualified party had any rating plate in their boat at all. Many manufacturers of 20' boats do not put any rating plate in them. My 20' Baker has no rating plate anywhere on the boat. It was licensed as a home built so I could technically and legally create my own data plate for it, but that's not the point. The point is the whole thing has gotten spun out of control by both sides, and they are ruining fishing because of it. Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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Joe Z wrote:
http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. To me this is such a load of crap I can't stand it. Granted they may put these ratings in the boat for safety. The problem I have with it is why wait until the guy fishes for 3 days and WINS to disqualify him. Why not have a pre-tournament boat check????????? I can't imagine how angry I would be if this happened to me, or even someone I knew. To me FLW could have taken a more proactive approach to avoiding these kinds of things, and whether they intended it this way or not it makes them look like they are only enforcing certain rules when it benefits them. Chris |
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Directly from the Coast Guards Safe Boating Website:
"It is not a violation of Coast Guard regulations to install or use an engine larger than specified on the capacity label, but there may be state regulations prohibiting it, and restrictions from your own insurance company regarding this. There are no Coast Guard regulations against exceeding the safe loading capacity, however, there may be State regulations or restrictions from your insurance company which prohibit this. There is a Coast Guard regulation that gives Coast Guard Boarding Officers the power to terminate the use of a boat (send it back to shore) if, in the judgment of the Boarding Officer, the boat is overloaded. There is no fine for this, unless the operator refuses the Boarding Officer's order. We certainly hope that you will abide by the rating, as overloading may lead to capsizing or swamping of the boat. NOTE: The Coast Guard Capacity Information label is required only on monohull boats less than 20' in length. The label is not required on multi-hull boats, pontoon boats (catamarans), or on any sailboats, canoes, kayaks, or inflatable boats, regardless of length." So, if the state in which the tournament was held or his insurance carrier has their own restriction that requires the plate to be there, the DQ is legit. -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com |
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For what it's worth this is Rule #9 from the FLW 2004 Rulebook:
"9. Boat and horsepower regulation All boats must be a minimum of 17 feet in length and have a rear deck. All boats must be equipped with wheel steering; no other steering device will be permitted. No barges or similar cumbersome crafts will be permitted. Each boat must have all required U.S. Coast Guard safety equipment. Boats must contain a properly aerated livewell space to maintain alive a limit catch of bass by both contestants. Maximum horsepower for all outboards used in tournament competition will be 250 HP, not to exceed the horsepower limitations as set by the U.S. Coast Guard. Each boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard horsepower rating plate attached to the boat by the manufacturer. The horsepower of the outboard engine must not exceed the rating specified on this rating plate or the 250 horsepower maximum set by FLW Outdoors. By signing the entry form, each pro agrees to submit their boat and/or motor to an inspection by factory trained personnel. Falsifying information on entry forms or altering the horsepower numbers on the motor or rating plate will be cause for disqualification from the tournament and may result in ineligibility to compete in future FLW Outdoors events. Fuel may be carried only in factory installed (built-in) fuel tanks. Any additional fuel used during the tournament day must be purchased from a retail facility open to the public" -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com |
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For what it's worth this is Rule #9 from the FLW 2004 Rulebook:
"9. Boat and horsepower regulation All boats must be a minimum of 17 feet in length and have a rear deck. All boats must be equipped with wheel steering; no other steering device will be permitted. No barges or similar cumbersome crafts will be permitted. Each boat must have all required U.S. Coast Guard safety equipment. Boats must contain a properly aerated livewell space to maintain alive a limit catch of bass by both contestants. Maximum horsepower for all outboards used in tournament competition will be 250 HP, not to exceed the horsepower limitations as set by the U.S. Coast Guard. Each boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard horsepower rating plate attached to the boat by the manufacturer. The horsepower of the outboard engine must not exceed the rating specified on this rating plate or the 250 horsepower maximum set by FLW Outdoors. By signing the entry form, each pro agrees to submit their boat and/or motor to an inspection by factory trained personnel. Falsifying information on entry forms or altering the horsepower numbers on the motor or rating plate will be cause for disqualification from the tournament and may result in ineligibility to compete in future FLW Outdoors events. Fuel may be carried only in factory installed (built-in) fuel tanks. Any additional fuel used during the tournament day must be purchased from a retail facility open to the public" -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com |
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Joe, is there a link to an article that gives the specifics of this
incident? I'd like to know alot more than the fishfactory article states... Warren "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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Hi Warren,
I googled it hoping to find something in local papers but all I could find was FLW's BS. Sorry. Joe Z. http://bfl.flwoutdoors.com/article.cfm?id=142303 "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Joe, is there a link to an article that gives the specifics of this incident? I'd like to know alot more than the fishfactory article states... Warren "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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Hi Warren,
I googled it hoping to find something in local papers but all I could find was FLW's BS. Sorry. Joe Z. http://bfl.flwoutdoors.com/article.cfm?id=142303 "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Joe, is there a link to an article that gives the specifics of this incident? I'd like to know alot more than the fishfactory article states... Warren "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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http://bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1158
Try this one. -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Joe, is there a link to an article that gives the specifics of this incident? I'd like to know alot more than the fishfactory article states... Warren "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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http://bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1158
Try this one. -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Joe, is there a link to an article that gives the specifics of this incident? I'd like to know alot more than the fishfactory article states... Warren "Joe Z" wrote in message ... http://www.fishfactory.com/view.tpl?...90814863790247 Here I go again on my favorite subject of distrust. You can fish without a license, weigh your catch and win a tournament as long as you are in the right boat. Maybe use the wrong boat (don't know if that is fact) and you are DQ'ed for no horsepower rating plate. Joe Z. |
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Good find Bob. Let's see if Irv The Liquidator (google that) has gained any
sense of honor and fairness over the years and either DQ's every boat over 21 feet from all previous events or goes for the PR value and pays off Snider. How about it legal eagles like Mr. Cooper, what say you on this mess? ;-) Joe Z. "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... http://bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1158 Try this one. -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com " |
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Good find Bob. Let's see if Irv The Liquidator (google that) has gained any
sense of honor and fairness over the years and either DQ's every boat over 21 feet from all previous events or goes for the PR value and pays off Snider. How about it legal eagles like Mr. Cooper, what say you on this mess? ;-) Joe Z. "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... http://bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1158 Try this one. -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com " |
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Thanks you guys, all I can say is
WHAT AN ATROCITY! -- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "Joe Z" wrote in message ... Good find Bob. Let's see if Irv The Liquidator (google that) has gained any sense of honor and fairness over the years and either DQ's every boat over 21 feet from all previous events or goes for the PR value and pays off Snider. How about it legal eagles like Mr. Cooper, what say you on this mess? ;-) Joe Z. "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... http://bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1158 Try this one. -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com " |
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go-bassn wrote:
Thanks you guys, all I can say is WHAT AN ATROCITY! I particularly like the quote from the NMMA spokseman... "The tournament organization was probably not in tune with what the regulations are." That's particularly scary when 'the tournament organization' in this case is the same organization that owns ranger and stratos and champion and about half of the bass boats built in the country. |
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go-bassn wrote:
Thanks you guys, all I can say is WHAT AN ATROCITY! I particularly like the quote from the NMMA spokseman... "The tournament organization was probably not in tune with what the regulations are." That's particularly scary when 'the tournament organization' in this case is the same organization that owns ranger and stratos and champion and about half of the bass boats built in the country. |
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I expect this one will get messy for FLW, I'm sure the DQed guy will take
legal action. Warren "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Thanks you guys, all I can say is WHAT AN ATROCITY! I particularly like the quote from the NMMA spokseman... "The tournament organization was probably not in tune with what the regulations are." That's particularly scary when 'the tournament organization' in this case is the same organization that owns ranger and stratos and champion and about half of the bass boats built in the country. |
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I expect this one will get messy for FLW, I'm sure the DQed guy will take
legal action. Warren "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Thanks you guys, all I can say is WHAT AN ATROCITY! I particularly like the quote from the NMMA spokseman... "The tournament organization was probably not in tune with what the regulations are." That's particularly scary when 'the tournament organization' in this case is the same organization that owns ranger and stratos and champion and about half of the bass boats built in the country. |
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....I imagine Viper might wade in too. said Huck
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....I imagine Viper might wade in too. said Huck
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What a PR coup for them if they would come to the aid of one of their
owners. Joe Z. "Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:c8Hld.1978$ol.1118@lakeread02... ....I imagine Viper might wade in too. said Huck |
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"Joe Z" wrote in message ... What a PR coup for them if they would come to the aid of one of their owners. Joe Z. "Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:c8Hld.1978$ol.1118@lakeread02... ...I imagine Viper might wade in too. said Huck Unfortunately, if it was Viper Boat Company, they went out of business about two years ago. They have recently re-opened as Venom Boat Company with an expanded product line and new management. They're a fine boat, I'm kind of partial to them. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Joe Z" wrote in message ... What a PR coup for them if they would come to the aid of one of their owners. Joe Z. "Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:c8Hld.1978$ol.1118@lakeread02... ...I imagine Viper might wade in too. said Huck Unfortunately, if it was Viper Boat Company, they went out of business about two years ago. They have recently re-opened as Venom Boat Company with an expanded product line and new management. They're a fine boat, I'm kind of partial to them. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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.....is there a USCG plate on yours?
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.....is there a USCG plate on yours?
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"Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:zU_ld.2740$ol.1257@lakeread02... ....is there a USCG plate on yours? Yes there is, it says maximum of 7 people, 1,100 pounds and Unlimited Horsepower. Although how you're going to get 7 people in my boat is anyone's guess......... -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:zU_ld.2740$ol.1257@lakeread02... ....is there a USCG plate on yours? Yes there is, it says maximum of 7 people, 1,100 pounds and Unlimited Horsepower. Although how you're going to get 7 people in my boat is anyone's guess......... -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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Well I might as well "weigh in" with my opinion. I've managed/supervised
litigation of all types in every one of the nine federal jurisdictions of the U.S. and involving all types of litigation ( I am not an atty . . . but there are large corporations out there who hire guys like me who have enough legal knowledge to be dangerous) In any event this seems to me to be a "contract case" and many would scream and holler (which is what FLW seems to be doing) that all that governs the behavior of the parties to the contract can and is solely found within the four corners of the document ( the rules signed by contestants). That's probably more true than not, but there may be "issues" if the contract can be found to have not been executed with uniformity. In other words, have other winners gotten a "slide", as some have suggested here.? If so FLW may have to get a check book out: if not . . . as nasty and mean as it seems to me, looks like this fine young man just got screwed by FLW. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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Well I might as well "weigh in" with my opinion. I've managed/supervised
litigation of all types in every one of the nine federal jurisdictions of the U.S. and involving all types of litigation ( I am not an atty . . . but there are large corporations out there who hire guys like me who have enough legal knowledge to be dangerous) In any event this seems to me to be a "contract case" and many would scream and holler (which is what FLW seems to be doing) that all that governs the behavior of the parties to the contract can and is solely found within the four corners of the document ( the rules signed by contestants). That's probably more true than not, but there may be "issues" if the contract can be found to have not been executed with uniformity. In other words, have other winners gotten a "slide", as some have suggested here.? If so FLW may have to get a check book out: if not . . . as nasty and mean as it seems to me, looks like this fine young man just got screwed by FLW. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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"Jim Jr." wrote in message ... For what it's worth this is Rule #9 from the FLW 2004 Rulebook: "9. Boat and horsepower regulation All boats must be a minimum of 17 feet in length and have a rear deck. All boats must be equipped with wheel steering; no other steering device will be permitted. No barges or similar cumbersome crafts will be permitted. Each boat must have all required U.S. Coast Guard safety equipment. Boats must contain a properly aerated livewell space to maintain alive a limit catch of bass by both contestants. Maximum horsepower for all outboards used in tournament competition will be 250 HP, not to exceed the horsepower limitations as set by the U.S. Coast Guard. Each boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard horsepower rating plate attached to the boat by the manufacturer. The horsepower of the outboard engine must not exceed the rating specified on this rating plate or the 250 horsepower maximum set by FLW Outdoors. By signing the entry form, each pro agrees to submit their boat and/or motor to an inspection by factory trained personnel. Falsifying information on entry forms or altering the horsepower numbers on the motor or rating plate will be cause for disqualification from the tournament and may result in ineligibility to compete in future FLW Outdoors events. Fuel may be carried only in factory installed (built-in) fuel tanks. Any additional fuel used during the tournament day must be purchased from a retail facility open to the public" -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com BUT, and it is a big BUT! Over 20' boat and there is no capacity plate required. My boat (21') just states that the boat is made to CG regulations. |
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"Jim Jr." wrote in message ... For what it's worth this is Rule #9 from the FLW 2004 Rulebook: "9. Boat and horsepower regulation All boats must be a minimum of 17 feet in length and have a rear deck. All boats must be equipped with wheel steering; no other steering device will be permitted. No barges or similar cumbersome crafts will be permitted. Each boat must have all required U.S. Coast Guard safety equipment. Boats must contain a properly aerated livewell space to maintain alive a limit catch of bass by both contestants. Maximum horsepower for all outboards used in tournament competition will be 250 HP, not to exceed the horsepower limitations as set by the U.S. Coast Guard. Each boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard horsepower rating plate attached to the boat by the manufacturer. The horsepower of the outboard engine must not exceed the rating specified on this rating plate or the 250 horsepower maximum set by FLW Outdoors. By signing the entry form, each pro agrees to submit their boat and/or motor to an inspection by factory trained personnel. Falsifying information on entry forms or altering the horsepower numbers on the motor or rating plate will be cause for disqualification from the tournament and may result in ineligibility to compete in future FLW Outdoors events. Fuel may be carried only in factory installed (built-in) fuel tanks. Any additional fuel used during the tournament day must be purchased from a retail facility open to the public" -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com BUT, and it is a big BUT! Over 20' boat and there is no capacity plate required. My boat (21') just states that the boat is made to CG regulations. |
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"Jim Jr." wrote in message ... For what it's worth this is Rule #9 from the FLW 2004 Rulebook: "9. Boat and horsepower regulation All boats must be a minimum of 17 feet in length and have a rear deck. All boats must be equipped with wheel steering; no other steering device will be permitted. No barges or similar cumbersome crafts will be permitted. Each boat must have all required U.S. Coast Guard safety equipment. Boats must contain a properly aerated livewell space to maintain alive a limit catch of bass by both contestants. Maximum horsepower for all outboards used in tournament competition will be 250 HP, not to exceed the horsepower limitations as set by the U.S. Coast Guard. Each boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard horsepower rating plate attached to the boat by the manufacturer. The horsepower of the outboard engine must not exceed the rating specified on this rating plate or the 250 horsepower maximum set by FLW Outdoors. By signing the entry form, each pro agrees to submit their boat and/or motor to an inspection by factory trained personnel. Falsifying information on entry forms or altering the horsepower numbers on the motor or rating plate will be cause for disqualification from the tournament and may result in ineligibility to compete in future FLW Outdoors events. Fuel may be carried only in factory installed (built-in) fuel tanks. Any additional fuel used during the tournament day must be purchased from a retail facility open to the public" -Jim Jr. www.teamhornerfishing.com BUT, and it is a big BUT! Over 20' boat and there is no capacity plate required. My boat (21') just states that the boat is made to CG regulations. |
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Somebody posted on my forums that the rule has been rewritten to no longer
specifiy Coast Guard, but just manufactuer's placard. They did not post a link. Can anybody verify this? -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com "Joshuall" wrote in message ... Well I might as well "weigh in" with my opinion. I've managed/supervised litigation of all types in every one of the nine federal jurisdictions of the U.S. and involving all types of litigation ( I am not an atty . . . but there are large corporations out there who hire guys like me who have enough legal knowledge to be dangerous) In any event this seems to me to be a "contract case" and many would scream and holler (which is what FLW seems to be doing) that all that governs the behavior of the parties to the contract can and is solely found within the four corners of the document ( the rules signed by contestants). That's probably more true than not, but there may be "issues" if the contract can be found to have not been executed with uniformity. In other words, have other winners gotten a "slide", as some have suggested here.? If so FLW may have to get a check book out: if not . . . as nasty and mean as it seems to me, looks like this fine young man just got screwed by FLW. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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Somebody posted on my forums that the rule has been rewritten to no longer
specifiy Coast Guard, but just manufactuer's placard. They did not post a link. Can anybody verify this? -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com "Joshuall" wrote in message ... Well I might as well "weigh in" with my opinion. I've managed/supervised litigation of all types in every one of the nine federal jurisdictions of the U.S. and involving all types of litigation ( I am not an atty . . . but there are large corporations out there who hire guys like me who have enough legal knowledge to be dangerous) In any event this seems to me to be a "contract case" and many would scream and holler (which is what FLW seems to be doing) that all that governs the behavior of the parties to the contract can and is solely found within the four corners of the document ( the rules signed by contestants). That's probably more true than not, but there may be "issues" if the contract can be found to have not been executed with uniformity. In other words, have other winners gotten a "slide", as some have suggested here.? If so FLW may have to get a check book out: if not . . . as nasty and mean as it seems to me, looks like this fine young man just got screwed by FLW. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ...
Somebody posted on my forums that the rule has been rewritten to no longer specifiy Coast Guard, but just manufactuer's placard. They did not post a link. Can anybody verify this? -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com Yes, it has been changed and all they left out was the coast guard part. Listen guys, all these contestants are seasoned veterans of tourney bass fishing. They did not fall off the turnip truck. Before every tourney they have a meeting and go over rules. There are not a one of them that does not know what the rule was refering to and knows exactly what the intent and reason for having the plate on there. Very few bass boat manufacturers do not put a manufacturers plate on boats whether it is 16' or 21'. The ones over 20' do not have to have a CC rating plate on them because there is no such thing. Instead, manufacturers put a manufacturers plate on them with a limit to hp of their own choosing. Most put "unlimited", any V-6 or something like that on them. Reason for them to do this is their knowledge of tourney rules and want their boats to be in them for advertisement. During any of these rules meetings, any one of the anglers could have spoke up and said that their boat did not have one because it is not required by the Coast Guard, but no one did. Bottom line is every angler there knew what plate was required and did nothing such as going to the tourney director or the FLW itself and get an OK to use such "unplated" boats. Personally I have been around and fished from all the big boat manufacturers boats over 20' and every one of them had a plate on them. I know a guy that has the exact same model and year of the dq'd boat in question and it indeed has a plate on it. The rules are the rules. It is up to the angler to understand and comply and to bring up questions at the appropriate time. The guy that got dq'd didn't. His fault. Do I think the rule was worded wrong? Yes, definitley. Do I think every angler that has fished ANY tournament from ANY organization that has a similar rule knows what the spirit of the rule is. Yes, unless it is a first time boat owner and they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. Do I think he should sue? No. Do I think if he does sue, should he win? No. Reason I say so is because this guy knew exactly what the rules were and did not seek to have his boat OK'd by the TD during the rules meeting. He didn't fall off a turnip truck either. Hard lesson learned. Rules are rules and has to be followed and if they cannot be followed then they have to take the responsibility themselves to get it cleared up beforehand. This is just my opinion and how I would see it if I was on a jury. S. Erwin |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ...
Somebody posted on my forums that the rule has been rewritten to no longer specifiy Coast Guard, but just manufactuer's placard. They did not post a link. Can anybody verify this? -- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com Yes, it has been changed and all they left out was the coast guard part. Listen guys, all these contestants are seasoned veterans of tourney bass fishing. They did not fall off the turnip truck. Before every tourney they have a meeting and go over rules. There are not a one of them that does not know what the rule was refering to and knows exactly what the intent and reason for having the plate on there. Very few bass boat manufacturers do not put a manufacturers plate on boats whether it is 16' or 21'. The ones over 20' do not have to have a CC rating plate on them because there is no such thing. Instead, manufacturers put a manufacturers plate on them with a limit to hp of their own choosing. Most put "unlimited", any V-6 or something like that on them. Reason for them to do this is their knowledge of tourney rules and want their boats to be in them for advertisement. During any of these rules meetings, any one of the anglers could have spoke up and said that their boat did not have one because it is not required by the Coast Guard, but no one did. Bottom line is every angler there knew what plate was required and did nothing such as going to the tourney director or the FLW itself and get an OK to use such "unplated" boats. Personally I have been around and fished from all the big boat manufacturers boats over 20' and every one of them had a plate on them. I know a guy that has the exact same model and year of the dq'd boat in question and it indeed has a plate on it. The rules are the rules. It is up to the angler to understand and comply and to bring up questions at the appropriate time. The guy that got dq'd didn't. His fault. Do I think the rule was worded wrong? Yes, definitley. Do I think every angler that has fished ANY tournament from ANY organization that has a similar rule knows what the spirit of the rule is. Yes, unless it is a first time boat owner and they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. Do I think he should sue? No. Do I think if he does sue, should he win? No. Reason I say so is because this guy knew exactly what the rules were and did not seek to have his boat OK'd by the TD during the rules meeting. He didn't fall off a turnip truck either. Hard lesson learned. Rules are rules and has to be followed and if they cannot be followed then they have to take the responsibility themselves to get it cleared up beforehand. This is just my opinion and how I would see it if I was on a jury. S. Erwin |
FLW DQ
SteveE wrote:
During any of these rules meetings, any one of the anglers could have spoke up and said that their boat did not have one because it is not required by the Coast Guard, but no one did. Bottom line is every angler there knew what plate was required and did nothing such as going to the tourney director or the FLW itself and get an OK to use such "unplated" boats. I can't see putting the onus on the angler here. It behooves the tournament organization not to have rules that do not agree with realitry. Strictly following the FLW rule as worded until that tournament would mean the dsisqualification of every contestant who fished from a boat 20 feet or longer in any prior event, because none of them have a COAST GUARD rating plate. It wouldn't be quite so onerous (or humerous) if FLW wasn't owned by the same guy that owns half the bass boat companies in the country, and whose people should have been among the most well versed in what is required. I also think this sudden need to adhere so strictly to the 'spirit ' of the rule is hypocritical at the very least, coming from the organization that said they couldn't take action against their winner who got ticketed for fishing without a license during the tournament because it wasn't specifically stated in the rules that you needed one. Either the sportsmanship or off limits rules could have applied if they were to adhere to the spirit of the rule rather than the specific wording, as seems to be their policiy when it suits them. |
FLW DQ
Over 20' does have a plate. It only states the boat meets all CG
requirements and laws as of the date of manufacture. There is no capacity or Horsepower statements required. Bill "RichZ" wrote in message ... SteveE wrote: During any of these rules meetings, any one of the anglers could have spoke up and said that their boat did not have one because it is not required by the Coast Guard, but no one did. Bottom line is every angler there knew what plate was required and did nothing such as going to the tourney director or the FLW itself and get an OK to use such "unplated" boats. I can't see putting the onus on the angler here. It behooves the tournament organization not to have rules that do not agree with realitry. Strictly following the FLW rule as worded until that tournament would mean the dsisqualification of every contestant who fished from a boat 20 feet or longer in any prior event, because none of them have a COAST GUARD rating plate. It wouldn't be quite so onerous (or humerous) if FLW wasn't owned by the same guy that owns half the bass boat companies in the country, and whose people should have been among the most well versed in what is required. I also think this sudden need to adhere so strictly to the 'spirit ' of the rule is hypocritical at the very least, coming from the organization that said they couldn't take action against their winner who got ticketed for fishing without a license during the tournament because it wasn't specifically stated in the rules that you needed one. Either the sportsmanship or off limits rules could have applied if they were to adhere to the spirit of the rule rather than the specific wording, as seems to be their policiy when it suits them. |
FLW DQ
Many boat over 20 do have a plate, but many do not.
-- ** FREE Fishing Lures ** Weekly drawing ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... Over 20' does have a plate. It only states the boat meets all CG requirements and laws as of the date of manufacture. There is no capacity or Horsepower statements required. Bill "RichZ" wrote in message ... SteveE wrote: During any of these rules meetings, any one of the anglers could have spoke up and said that their boat did not have one because it is not required by the Coast Guard, but no one did. Bottom line is every angler there knew what plate was required and did nothing such as going to the tourney director or the FLW itself and get an OK to use such "unplated" boats. I can't see putting the onus on the angler here. It behooves the tournament organization not to have rules that do not agree with realitry. Strictly following the FLW rule as worded until that tournament would mean the dsisqualification of every contestant who fished from a boat 20 feet or longer in any prior event, because none of them have a COAST GUARD rating plate. It wouldn't be quite so onerous (or humerous) if FLW wasn't owned by the same guy that owns half the bass boat companies in the country, and whose people should have been among the most well versed in what is required. I also think this sudden need to adhere so strictly to the 'spirit ' of the rule is hypocritical at the very least, coming from the organization that said they couldn't take action against their winner who got ticketed for fishing without a license during the tournament because it wasn't specifically stated in the rules that you needed one. Either the sportsmanship or off limits rules could have applied if they were to adhere to the spirit of the rule rather than the specific wording, as seems to be their policiy when it suits them. |
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