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Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Just ordered a 300yd spool of 50# Power Pro but still not convinced that
it's for me. However, I do feel that I may need it in Florida for the Southern Classic, but for around here mono has fulfilled my needs. Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. Thanks in advance. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Just how big a bass you plannin on catch down there in FL Chaz?
Warren -- http://www.warrenwolk.com/ "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Just ordered a 300yd spool of 50# Power Pro but still not convinced that it's for me. However, I do feel that I may need it in Florida for the Southern Classic, but for around here mono has fulfilled my needs. Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. Thanks in advance. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Really, really big ones...
But then again, who plans on catching little ones? -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Just how big a bass you plannin on catch down there in FL Chaz? Warren -- http://www.warrenwolk.com/ "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Just ordered a 300yd spool of 50# Power Pro but still not convinced that it's for me. However, I do feel that I may need it in Florida for the Southern Classic, but for around here mono has fulfilled my needs. Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. Thanks in advance. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
"Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Just ordered a 300yd spool of 50# Power Pro but still not convinced that it's for me. However, I do feel that I may need it in Florida for the Southern Classic, but for around here mono has fulfilled my needs. Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? ***It will go through the guides smoother and I think it has better abrasion resistance. I think it becomes limper, faster as well. 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? ***It is a braid, it is going to make noise going through the guides. 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. ***Rich uses it to camoflague the line when it becomes gray and fuzzy. I'll try that one of these years. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. ***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? ***I would recommend that you set the drag so that it slips just a tad on a hookset. Personally, I keep the drag cranked down tight and then either back the drag off during the fight or pop the reel in and out of gear and thumb the fish. 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? ***I don't use any backing. I simply tie the line onto the spool and put a small piece of tape over the line, adhering it to the spool. This line is slippery and will spin on the spool unless you either tape it or use backing. I don't like to use backing. 7. Ok for fishing plastics? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. ***Not a problem, -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
"Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message
... Just ordered a 300yd spool of 50# Power Pro but still not convinced that it's for me. However, I do feel that I may need it in Florida for the Southern Classic, but for around here mono has fulfilled my needs. First off I only use it for heavy-heavy cover. It works pretty good for that. A couple guys I know use the 80# for pitching heavy cover. I have found the 50# to be adequate for me. Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? Never used Fireline.. 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? Never used Fireline, but in ceramic guide rods I really haven't noticed it being noisy. I have one rod with metal eyes (supposedly made for super braids) and it is a little noisy in that one. 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. The line tends to turn white over time. Supposedly if you use a permanent marker on the first ten feet of line to make the line black it makes it less visible in the water. I'm not sure about that since I mostly flip and pitch in pretty shallow water. I would think the contrast of a black line would stand out more, kinda like why blue and black jigs have such a good reputation. They stand out, but Rich is a far more experienced fisherman than me, so I defer to his opinion. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. Maybe. I have jerked two pound fish completely out of the water along with small trees on a hookset with Power Pro. I have not broken any rods, but I really only use it on heavy and medium heavy rods. In most cases a pretty heavy hookset should be fine. All the guys here who pitch and flip a lot use super braids or flourcarbons. Both have little or no stretch. I see them all lay into fish like they are trying to tear down a wall. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? I'ld say that depends. You don't want a fish to be able to run in heavy cover, but your weak point is going to be the quality of your hookset. I tend to comprimise and set my drag about a little higher than when fishing 12lb mono. When I was a kid I used a fish scale to set my drag. I would guess I am setting my drag between 6 and 8 pounds. (With 12 lb mono I would set between 4 and 6 lbs.) 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? Yes. For two reasons. The first is that a lot of guys think Power Pro is expensive. How much line do you need when you are flipping? They figure their longest pitching distance and double or triple the line. I doubt most of them spool up more than 50 yards of PP at the most. My flipping sticks are set up the same way. The second is because the stuff will slip on the spool were mono will not. You can also cure this I have heard by putting a couple tight wraps of duct tape or friction tape on the spool before spooling up. Since I use backing I can't answer to this first hand. If using backing use a double uni knot. I have tried a blood knot and it can slip out. 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Great for them. I throw 7" u-tails on it all the time. Most guys prefer heavier stuff like brush hogs, but it works fine for anything. I have even used it on an 8' rod for throwing pretty light spinner baits, although I much prefer mono with spinning tackle for that. Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. I strongly reccomend that you carry a chunk of dowel that is a little heavier than a broom handle and about a foot long for breaking the stuff off or pulling it out. If you try to break off by backing away against your reel the line will imbed between the wraps badly. Make a couple wraps of duct tape around the middle of the rod. Use it two handed to pull lose from snags that you can't unhook. DO NOT wrap it around your hand or arm to break loose or pull off a snag. You will cut your arm. I would also reccomend a pair of pruning shears in your stuff. If it is hung in a high branch just lop off the branch and untangle it at your level. Ask, Joe about PP line. He threw a spinner bait on it all day when he has out here. As a matter of fact he used the rod that I think is noisier. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com All about fishing in Yuma, Arizona Promote Your Fishing Website FOR FREE |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Maybe. I have jerked two pound fish completely out of the water along with small trees on a hookset with Power Pro. I have not broken any rods, but I really only use it on heavy and medium heavy rods. In most cases a pretty heavy hookset should be fine. All the guys here who pitch and flip a lot use super braids or flourcarbons. Both have little or no stretch. I see them all lay into fish like they are trying to tear down a wall. I've been accused of that myself! In Wisconsin (2002), I think I completely nailed those smallies using Fireline. This is why I was asking about the hookset. |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. I know better than trying to free a snag with the rod... but wouldn't a good hookset on a larger fish be about the same? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. A chain is only as strong as its' weakest link, so why use a leader? What's your opinion on Lake Okeechobee? Clear, stained, or would you worry about clarity with PP? I'm only going to spool up about three rods with this stuff, so I guess I can fall back to mono if I loose confidence in this stuff. I've just heard alot about PP, and never tried it. Live and learn they say! Thanks for your responce! |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Charles - The Big O is tannic-stained like most FL fisheries. It is not a
reservoir (not river-run), but does have many tributaries. I don't think you've been on a lake that even comes close to the size of BigO. I'd be packing 25-30 pound Mono if you're planning on flippin some weeds... Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... ***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. I know better than trying to free a snag with the rod... but wouldn't a good hookset on a larger fish be about the same? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. A chain is only as strong as its' weakest link, so why use a leader? What's your opinion on Lake Okeechobee? Clear, stained, or would you worry about clarity with PP? I'm only going to spool up about three rods with this stuff, so I guess I can fall back to mono if I loose confidence in this stuff. I've just heard alot about PP, and never tried it. Live and learn they say! Thanks for your responce! |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
I was planning on having a few reels spooled with mono, but was thinking of
about 15 - 20lb test. Really think I should go as high as 30? I know you've been there before, so I'll take your word for it. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Charles - The Big O is tannic-stained like most FL fisheries. It is not a reservoir (not river-run), but does have many tributaries. I don't think you've been on a lake that even comes close to the size of BigO. I'd be packing 25-30 pound Mono if you're planning on flippin some weeds... Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... ***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. I know better than trying to free a snag with the rod... but wouldn't a good hookset on a larger fish be about the same? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. A chain is only as strong as its' weakest link, so why use a leader? What's your opinion on Lake Okeechobee? Clear, stained, or would you worry about clarity with PP? I'm only going to spool up about three rods with this stuff, so I guess I can fall back to mono if I loose confidence in this stuff. I've just heard alot about PP, and never tried it. Live and learn they say! Thanks for your responce! |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
A killer technique there is to fish mats of floating gunk, hyacinth, etc.,
especially if a front is coming through or if the sun is high. Basically you take a heavy jig (1 ounce) or a heavily weighted plastic (creature baits & craws are my favorites) & crash them right through the mess, let them hit bottom, shake once & repeat. Needless to say you need beefy line to extract even small bass from that mess. Generally the fish aren't line-shy at all. Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... I was planning on having a few reels spooled with mono, but was thinking of about 15 - 20lb test. Really think I should go as high as 30? I know you've been there before, so I'll take your word for it. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Charles - The Big O is tannic-stained like most FL fisheries. It is not a reservoir (not river-run), but does have many tributaries. I don't think you've been on a lake that even comes close to the size of BigO. I'd be packing 25-30 pound Mono if you're planning on flippin some weeds... Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... ***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. I know better than trying to free a snag with the rod... but wouldn't a good hookset on a larger fish be about the same? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. A chain is only as strong as its' weakest link, so why use a leader? What's your opinion on Lake Okeechobee? Clear, stained, or would you worry about clarity with PP? I'm only going to spool up about three rods with this stuff, so I guess I can fall back to mono if I loose confidence in this stuff. I've just heard alot about PP, and never tried it. Live and learn they say! Thanks for your responce! |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Cool... you're gonna be there aren't you?
-- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... A killer technique there is to fish mats of floating gunk, hyacinth, etc., especially if a front is coming through or if the sun is high. Basically you take a heavy jig (1 ounce) or a heavily weighted plastic (creature baits & craws are my favorites) & crash them right through the mess, let them hit bottom, shake once & repeat. Needless to say you need beefy line to extract even small bass from that mess. Generally the fish aren't line-shy at all. Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... I was planning on having a few reels spooled with mono, but was thinking of about 15 - 20lb test. Really think I should go as high as 30? I know you've been there before, so I'll take your word for it. -- Charles Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Charles - The Big O is tannic-stained like most FL fisheries. It is not a reservoir (not river-run), but does have many tributaries. I don't think you've been on a lake that even comes close to the size of BigO. I'd be packing 25-30 pound Mono if you're planning on flippin some weeds... Warren "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... ***You won't have to do the MONSTER hookset thing. Usually just a quick snap of the wrist is sufficient. If they've broken rods with superlines, the rods probably would have broken with mono if they did the same, stupid things. Most of the rods that I've heard of breaking have been when someone is trying to tear a lure free from a snag. I know better than trying to free a snag with the rod... but wouldn't a good hookset on a larger fish be about the same? ***Sure, why not? Worse case scenario if you think the line is visible is to run a mono or florocarbon leader. A chain is only as strong as its' weakest link, so why use a leader? What's your opinion on Lake Okeechobee? Clear, stained, or would you worry about clarity with PP? I'm only going to spool up about three rods with this stuff, so I guess I can fall back to mono if I loose confidence in this stuff. I've just heard alot about PP, and never tried it. Live and learn they say! Thanks for your responce! |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Charles I use it on most all my reels now. I just love it. I agree with all
that Steve said. . . especially a small piece of tape across the spool instead of but near where you wouold normally put backing. helps with the line not sliding on the spool. It's a great sensitive line. Strong and good abrasion resitance. I'm sure you'll like it. I never have gone higher than the 30 lb strength becaus I want good castability. Not sure how the heavier stufff is. Lemme know. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
I probably won't spool it up until a couple of weeks before heading to
Florida, but I'll let you know. -- Charles Summers www.secretweaponlures.com www.outdoorfrontiers.com "Josh" wrote in message ... Charles I use it on most all my reels now. I just love it. I agree with all that Steve said. . . especially a small piece of tape across the spool instead of but near where you wouold normally put backing. helps with the line not sliding on the spool. It's a great sensitive line. Strong and good abrasion resitance. I'm sure you'll like it. I never have gone higher than the 30 lb strength becaus I want good castability. Not sure how the heavier stufff is. Lemme know. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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.....spool it up now....there's no memory whatsoever said Huck
"Charles Summers" wrote in message ... I probably won't spool it up until a couple of weeks before heading to Florida, but I'll let you know. -- Charles Summers www.secretweaponlures.com www.outdoorfrontiers.com "Josh" wrote in message ... Charles I use it on most all my reels now. I just love it. I agree with all that Steve said. . . especially a small piece of tape across the spool instead of but near where you wouold normally put backing. helps with the line not sliding on the spool. It's a great sensitive line. Strong and good abrasion resitance. I'm sure you'll like it. I never have gone higher than the 30 lb strength becaus I want good castability. Not sure how the heavier stufff is. Lemme know. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
I have spooled up the 50lb PP line on and Abu 5600 C5-MagX. It takes about
three days of fishing to go real limp, after that its great to use. "Josh" wrote in message ... Charles I use it on most all my reels now. I just love it. I agree with all that Steve said. . . especially a small piece of tape across the spool instead of but near where you wouold normally put backing. helps with the line not sliding on the spool. It's a great sensitive line. Strong and good abrasion resitance. I'm sure you'll like it. I never have gone higher than the 30 lb strength becaus I want good castability. Not sure how the heavier stufff is. Lemme know. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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Line is like everything else in fishing, subject to the individual using it,
but I have never liked the sound braided lines make going through my guides, or the difficulty of cutting it (for I retie my line often, even with a braid). But most of all, I hate (because it makes me nervous, because I don't trust my leader knots) using a leader. I use fluorocarbon because of its invisibility properties, strength, and toughness. I love it and a lot people hate it because they say it is difficult to spool, cast, and is so unforgiving (get a kink and it breaks). I believe line is another confidence factor, and if you like braid, you will do well with braid, like I do well with fluorocarbon. Rods, Reels, Line, Lure types, lure weights, colors, and presentations are debatable subjects. -- Craig Baugher |
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"Craig" wrote in message
... BIG SNIP Rods, Reels, Line, Lure types, lure weights, colors, and presentations are debatable subjects. -- Craig Baugher Agreed. Think about all the fish that have been caught over many, many years using plain ol' mono. I'm not suggesting that the new stuff isn't better or won't help you catch more fish, or even that all mono is the same, but a decent brand of mono works well enough for me. It has withstood the test of time. I'm comfortable with it. I don't have noise problems, I don't have hook set adjustments, I can tie it easily, it is reliable, and I haven't seen anybody posting, "Mono...are you sure?" :) I usually spool up with the house brand at BPS. But, that's just me. K |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Got a few club tournaments to fish first, and my Stren is just fine for
that. *Didn't even think about the memory...or lack thereof. "Huck Palmatier" wrote in message news:jMrPb.9781$dd6.2722@lakeread02... ....spool it up now....there's no memory whatsoever said Huck "Charles Summers" wrote in message ... I probably won't spool it up until a couple of weeks before heading to Florida, but I'll let you know. -- Charles Summers www.secretweaponlures.com www.outdoorfrontiers.com "Josh" wrote in message ... Charles I use it on most all my reels now. I just love it. I agree with all that Steve said. . . especially a small piece of tape across the spool instead of but near where you wouold normally put backing. helps with the line not sliding on the spool. It's a great sensitive line. Strong and good abrasion resitance. I'm sure you'll like it. I never have gone higher than the 30 lb strength becaus I want good castability. Not sure how the heavier stufff is. Lemme know. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
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BPS line has way too much stretch for my liking...
Funny thing is, when you go to BPS's website and look for line, you have to go to the sal****er section to find the PowerPro. It's not listed in the freshwater options. "luv2bafield" wrote in message link.net... "Craig" wrote in message ... BIG SNIP Rods, Reels, Line, Lure types, lure weights, colors, and presentations are debatable subjects. -- Craig Baugher Agreed. Think about all the fish that have been caught over many, many years using plain ol' mono. I'm not suggesting that the new stuff isn't better or won't help you catch more fish, or even that all mono is the same, but a decent brand of mono works well enough for me. It has withstood the test of time. I'm comfortable with it. I don't have noise problems, I don't have hook set adjustments, I can tie it easily, it is reliable, and I haven't seen anybody posting, "Mono...are you sure?" :) I usually spool up with the house brand at BPS. But, that's just me. K |
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How do you test for stretch?
I fish therefore I lie |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
"Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Hey Charles, my opinions are inline below: Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? I've used both and like PP better myself. The Fireline IMO nicked and broke too easily. I lost several spinnerbaits this way on casts and changed away from Fireline straightaway and didn't lose another bait all the rest of the year in this manner. 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? Heck no, big reason #2 for my switch. Fireline makes so much noise to me I thought it was scaring the fish. And I ain't talking cheap POS rods either, this was on all 3 of my St Croix trigger stick rods and my Fenwick pistol grip. Even after the *coating* appears to start wearing and the color starts to fade, it is still a ton quieter IMHO. 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. As PP ages, it losses its color (moss green to pale green in my case). I assume you could use a marker to breakup the line and camo it a little better. I didn't do it this year and after switching to PP in April, was still using it on the reels in November (dont get to fish a lot, wasn't too bad worn out) and it still caught fish for me. If I fished really clear water at all, I would prolly pick brains here about doing the marker thing to breakup the line's appearance tho. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. I haven't broken anything with hook sets or trying to break loose of a snag. I HAVE however, pulled up some significant pine branches from lake bottoms with it... :-) The first time I did this I thought I had foul hooked something big or had snagged a big cat sulking around the bottom. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? I set mine a little looser just because of the lack of stretch in PP. Honestly, I am more worried about the fish's jaw/lips tearing than I am anything else. Of course I don't fish *big fish* holes (our state record, NC, is only around 15# afterall) so I don't fish the big stuff. I have 20# on my pistol grip and 30# on everything else. Prior to that I used to fish 10# mono for the most part and find the line diameters of these two weight/lines agreeable to my established fishing routine. 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? I use a backing line as the *directions* in the box call for it. Mike Iaconelli gave me a tip at a Dick's (Cary, NC) last year at an appearance he made the weekend prior to the Santee-Cooper SC tourney and said that he recommends it, but you don't have to tie line-to-line as laid out in most superline box directions. He said he just spools on a layer or so of mono and ties it off to itself/the spool. The he threads in the superline just like it were on a bare spool. Superline cuts into the mono and voila, you have gription (the ability for the superline to hold). I've also heard that one can simply tape the superline to the bare spool, but I've never tried that. I spooled up all my reels in April with the PP and haven't done a respool yet (that would be happening this weekend thought), tied the line together on a couple and did Mike's advice on the other 3-4 and honestly can't tell a difference in performance. Not having to tie the lines directly together is easier for me as I didn't have any mono the same diameter to back spool it with anyway. 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Heck yeah. I fish everything with it and have produced with every type of bait using it. Not necessarily all in the same day, but over the bulk of this past season which was my first with superlines. (Fireline January-April, Power Pro April-current). I had been strictly mono the prior 30 years. The only thing I would even think about would be in a situation where you wanted a sinking leader, I don't think PP is as negatively bouyant as flouro. This is no scientific finding here, simply my opinion. Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. I don't think anyone semi-regular to this group minds your questions Charles, as you've helped us (me) a lot in the past with info, I'm just glad I know something well enough to try and help you out for a change. |
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"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in message ... BPS line has way too much stretch for my liking... Funny thing is, when you go to BPS's website and look for line, you have to go to the sal****er section to find the PowerPro. It's not listed in the freshwater options. That's ok Charles, before they started carrying it at the Dick's Sporting Goods stores around here (Raleigh/Cary/Fayetteville, NC) the only place I had ever seen PP on the shelf was at the tackle shop down at the coast where I put out for flounder, King/Spanish Mackeral fishing. Apparently this is a sal****er item that has crossed over to us bassin' types. |
Power Pro... are you Sure?
It's just a feeling, I guess. But compared to other lines that I've used, I
can tell when a line has more stretch than I like. Here's an idea. Tied about 2 foot of two different lines to a stationalry object, tie the other ends to a handle and pull. Which one stretches farther? I'm not talking about breaking points, but just pulls. "AJH" wrote in message ... How do you test for stretch? I fish therefore I lie |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Thank Sim... I just hope that I don't end up respooling with mono before
giving PP it's fair chance. "SimRacer" -spam wrote in message r.com... "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Hey Charles, my opinions are inline below: Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? I've used both and like PP better myself. The Fireline IMO nicked and broke too easily. I lost several spinnerbaits this way on casts and changed away from Fireline straightaway and didn't lose another bait all the rest of the year in this manner. 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? Heck no, big reason #2 for my switch. Fireline makes so much noise to me I thought it was scaring the fish. And I ain't talking cheap POS rods either, this was on all 3 of my St Croix trigger stick rods and my Fenwick pistol grip. Even after the *coating* appears to start wearing and the color starts to fade, it is still a ton quieter IMHO. 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. As PP ages, it losses its color (moss green to pale green in my case). I assume you could use a marker to breakup the line and camo it a little better. I didn't do it this year and after switching to PP in April, was still using it on the reels in November (dont get to fish a lot, wasn't too bad worn out) and it still caught fish for me. If I fished really clear water at all, I would prolly pick brains here about doing the marker thing to breakup the line's appearance tho. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. I haven't broken anything with hook sets or trying to break loose of a snag. I HAVE however, pulled up some significant pine branches from lake bottoms with it... :-) The first time I did this I thought I had foul hooked something big or had snagged a big cat sulking around the bottom. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? I set mine a little looser just because of the lack of stretch in PP. Honestly, I am more worried about the fish's jaw/lips tearing than I am anything else. Of course I don't fish *big fish* holes (our state record, NC, is only around 15# afterall) so I don't fish the big stuff. I have 20# on my pistol grip and 30# on everything else. Prior to that I used to fish 10# mono for the most part and find the line diameters of these two weight/lines agreeable to my established fishing routine. 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? I use a backing line as the *directions* in the box call for it. Mike Iaconelli gave me a tip at a Dick's (Cary, NC) last year at an appearance he made the weekend prior to the Santee-Cooper SC tourney and said that he recommends it, but you don't have to tie line-to-line as laid out in most superline box directions. He said he just spools on a layer or so of mono and ties it off to itself/the spool. The he threads in the superline just like it were on a bare spool. Superline cuts into the mono and voila, you have gription (the ability for the superline to hold). I've also heard that one can simply tape the superline to the bare spool, but I've never tried that. I spooled up all my reels in April with the PP and haven't done a respool yet (that would be happening this weekend thought), tied the line together on a couple and did Mike's advice on the other 3-4 and honestly can't tell a difference in performance. Not having to tie the lines directly together is easier for me as I didn't have any mono the same diameter to back spool it with anyway. 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Heck yeah. I fish everything with it and have produced with every type of bait using it. Not necessarily all in the same day, but over the bulk of this past season which was my first with superlines. (Fireline January-April, Power Pro April-current). I had been strictly mono the prior 30 years. The only thing I would even think about would be in a situation where you wanted a sinking leader, I don't think PP is as negatively bouyant as flouro. This is no scientific finding here, simply my opinion. Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. I don't think anyone semi-regular to this group minds your questions Charles, as you've helped us (me) a lot in the past with info, I'm just glad I know something well enough to try and help you out for a change. |
Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
"Who Cares" wrote in message ... Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in advance The only time I use a leader around here (for bass) is in a Carolina Rig situation. Of course I don't necessarily follow all the correct rules for fishing so I wouldn't put a lot of faith in my advice on those points. I fished from the time I was old enough to remember up until I got married in 1990. Started back in earnest about 2000 so there may be techniques out there that I don't practice due to my absence from the hobby. That said, I attached the C-rig leader with a swivel. If I were to use a swiveless leader setup, I'd have to nail down the tactics as to matching up the right size of mono/flouro to the PP line diameter so the knot couldn't untie itself or worse, the PP actually cut through the mono, which it can do. But if you use the correct/matching line diameter, and tie with the correct knots, I'm sure a leader with PP would work just fine. |
Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
I have used a fluorocarbon leader with the superbraided lines. You can
attach the leader by one of two knots. The first and hardest to tie is the bloodknot, the easiest is the double uni-knot. See: http://www.marinews.com/fishing/fk_main.htm Jack ~~ Jack Dalzell http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm "Living on the south shore of Lake Erie and loving it!" ~~ Who Cares wrote: Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in advance |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in message ... Thank Sim... I just hope that I don't end up respooling with mono before giving PP it's fair chance. Line is like every other equipment choice in this fishing addiction we're afflicted with, but I am as finicky as it gets (Fireline was my very first attempt at using a superline, this past year no less) and I find that I really like PP. Yes, tying some things with it is a pain, tying it together with another line can be a pain, yes, it's color fades, BUT it is quieter through the guides, super strong for its diameter, has no memory that I have ever observed, and more importantly, once setup and tied properly, has never broken at a time that would cost me a fish. Honestly, I have NEVER broken my PP. I can't even break it on a terminal snag, have to cut it with scissors or a sharp knife. (Standard clippers stand no chance against this braid in my experience). |
Power Pro... are you Sure?
Maybe Warren has a machine for testing the elastic on his BVD's
(boomerang) that would work on mono..g I fish therefore I lie |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Yes, tying some things with it is a pain, tying it together with
another line can be a pain I find tying ANY knots with ANY kind of line to be a pain. That's why I like to fish with my Dad or nephew LoL |
Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
Who cares,
I've used a leader when going after Pike. I've sense learned that a leader isn't necessary. I'd go ahead and try fishing for the smallies without a leader and see how it works for ya. Scott ----------------------------------------------------- Would love to go fishing but don't know how to start? Check out http://www.getstartedfishing.com Getting started has never been so easy! ----------------------------------------------------- (Who Cares) wrote in message ... Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in advance |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
"J Buck" wrote in message ... Yes, tying some things with it is a pain, tying it together with another line can be a pain I find tying ANY knots with ANY kind of line to be a pain. That's why I like to fish with my Dad or nephew LoL LOL! Agreed. But in order to get braids (and coated braids like Power Pro) NOT to slip out of a knot between it and mono, takes some practice. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I suck at bloodknots and uni-to-uni knots myself. :-) If you don't use one of those 2 knots (or similar) and the line doesn't slip out, then there is a chance that it would allow the braid to physically cut through the mono. |
Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
I use a blood knot to add line to my reels, but I wouldn't trust it for a
leader knot. It just makes me nervous. I have a lot of confidence in a crawford, palomor, and double clinch. -- Craig Baugher |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
I find tying ANY knots with ANY kind of line to be a pain. That's why I
like to fish with my Dad or nephew =A0 LoL LOL! Agreed. But in order to get braids (and coated braids like Power Pro) NOT to slip out of a knot between it and mono, takes some practice Yep! As they say, practice makes perfect. As I reflect on the few things I'm good at, one thing they all have in common is that I've done 'em a lot. And tying fishing knots is not on that list. Yet. LoL |
Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
"Who Cares" wrote in message ... Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in advance I catch smallmouth bass all the time on PowerPro, either 50 pound if I'm using a baitcaster or 10 pound if I'm spinning. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in
message ... BPS line has way too much stretch for my liking... SNIP It is a bit stretchy, but if that's what you're used to and are comfortable with it, you'll probably do better with that than with anything else no matter how good the other stuff may be. Can you tell that I am slow to accept change? :) K |
Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
Got my Power Pro today Sim! BPS does have a good shipping time, anyway.
I guess I'll spool up about three rods with it (100yds per reel) and see what happens. I appreciate your help and when I catch a big hog on Okeechobee... I'll be sure to post the pics for everyone to see. If I don't catch a hog... well, there's always Photoshop -- Charles B. Summers Secret Weapon Lures http://www.secretweaponlures.com "SimRacer" -spam wrote in message r.com... "Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message ... Hey Charles, my opinions are inline below: Questions: 1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline? I've used both and like PP better myself. The Fireline IMO nicked and broke too easily. I lost several spinnerbaits this way on casts and changed away from Fireline straightaway and didn't lose another bait all the rest of the year in this manner. 2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)? Heck no, big reason #2 for my switch. Fireline makes so much noise to me I thought it was scaring the fish. And I ain't talking cheap POS rods either, this was on all 3 of my St Croix trigger stick rods and my Fenwick pistol grip. Even after the *coating* appears to start wearing and the color starts to fade, it is still a ton quieter IMHO. 3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses it. As PP ages, it losses its color (moss green to pale green in my case). I assume you could use a marker to breakup the line and camo it a little better. I didn't do it this year and after switching to PP in April, was still using it on the reels in November (dont get to fish a lot, wasn't too bad worn out) and it still caught fish for me. If I fished really clear water at all, I would prolly pick brains here about doing the marker thing to breakup the line's appearance tho. 4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken rods with superlines. I haven't broken anything with hook sets or trying to break loose of a snag. I HAVE however, pulled up some significant pine branches from lake bottoms with it... :-) The first time I did this I thought I had foul hooked something big or had snagged a big cat sulking around the bottom. 5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser? I set mine a little looser just because of the lack of stretch in PP. Honestly, I am more worried about the fish's jaw/lips tearing than I am anything else. Of course I don't fish *big fish* holes (our state record, NC, is only around 15# afterall) so I don't fish the big stuff. I have 20# on my pistol grip and 30# on everything else. Prior to that I used to fish 10# mono for the most part and find the line diameters of these two weight/lines agreeable to my established fishing routine. 6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right? I use a backing line as the *directions* in the box call for it. Mike Iaconelli gave me a tip at a Dick's (Cary, NC) last year at an appearance he made the weekend prior to the Santee-Cooper SC tourney and said that he recommends it, but you don't have to tie line-to-line as laid out in most superline box directions. He said he just spools on a layer or so of mono and ties it off to itself/the spool. The he threads in the superline just like it were on a bare spool. Superline cuts into the mono and voila, you have gription (the ability for the superline to hold). I've also heard that one can simply tape the superline to the bare spool, but I've never tried that. I spooled up all my reels in April with the PP and haven't done a respool yet (that would be happening this weekend thought), tied the line together on a couple and did Mike's advice on the other 3-4 and honestly can't tell a difference in performance. Not having to tie the lines directly together is easier for me as I didn't have any mono the same diameter to back spool it with anyway. 7. Ok for fishing plastics? Heck yeah. I fish everything with it and have produced with every type of bait using it. Not necessarily all in the same day, but over the bulk of this past season which was my first with superlines. (Fireline January-April, Power Pro April-current). I had been strictly mono the prior 30 years. The only thing I would even think about would be in a situation where you wanted a sinking leader, I don't think PP is as negatively bouyant as flouro. This is no scientific finding here, simply my opinion. Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but I tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my server. I don't think anyone semi-regular to this group minds your questions Charles, as you've helped us (me) a lot in the past with info, I'm just glad I know something well enough to try and help you out for a change. |
Power Pro... are you Sure?
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:10:30 -0500, "Craig" wrote:
Line is like everything else in fishing, subject to the individual using it, but I have never liked the sound braided lines make going through my guides, or the difficulty of cutting it (for I retie my line often, even with a braid). But most of all, I hate (because it makes me nervous, because I don't trust my leader knots) using a leader. I use fluorocarbon because of its invisibility properties, strength, and toughness. I love it and a lot people hate it because they say it is difficult to spool, cast, and is so unforgiving (get a kink and it breaks). I believe line is another confidence factor, and if you like braid, you will do well with braid, like I do well with fluorocarbon. Rods, Reels, Line, Lure types, lure weights, colors, and presentations are debatable subjects. PP is not noisy on the cast. It is not difficult to tie a uni or polimar knot with it. A sharp knife cuts it without a hassle. I never use a leader, if I feel the bass will be line shy I use a green marker to either color the last 12" green or put a bar pattern of green stripes on it - - - - - - - - to break up the profile. The one situation that it really shines for me is pad fishing. I like to fish pads with brush hogs. A lot of times the bass will grab the hog and move around some stems with it. The PP then gives me a solid hook set. I used to miss fish when I fished mono, now I don't. It also has its place fishing frogs and rats. I use different lines for different applications. 12 lb. Yozuri Hybrid for cranks, 20 lb. Yozuri for jig-n-pigs, Stren Original for worms/lizards, etc. Richard g www.bassstalkers.com |
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