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* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. * Al Go enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts. * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 * Chuck Robb: Vietnam * Howell Heflin: Silver Star * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Republicans * Dick Cheney: did not serve. Cheney received five deferments, four 2-S student deferments and one under the 3-A classification -- "registrant with a child or children; or registrant deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents." In his Senate confirmation hearing, Cheney said he "would have obviously been happy to serve had I been called," which contradicting his earlier statement, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." * Dennis Hastert: did not serve. * Tom Delay: did not serve. * Roy Blunt: did not serve. * Bill Frist: did not serve. * Mitch McConnell: did not serve. * Rick Santorum: did not serve. * Trent Lott: did not serve. * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve. * Karl Rove: did not serve. * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism. * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. * Vin Weber: did not serve. * Richard Perle: did not serve. * Douglas Feith: did not serve. * Eliot Abrams: did not serve * Richard Shelby: did not serve. * Jon Kyl: did not serve * Tim Hutchison: did not serve. * Christopher Cox: did not serve. * Newt Gingrich: did not serve. * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty. * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. * Phil Gramm: did not serve. * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. * John M. McHugh: did not serve. * JC Watts: did not serve. * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years. * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. * George Pataki: did not serve. * Spencer Abraham: did not serve. * John Engler: did not serve. * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. Pundits & Preachers * Sean Hannity: did not serve. * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal - anal - cyst.') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. * Michael Savage: did not serve. * George Will: did not serve * Chris Matthews: did not serve. * Paul Gigot: did not serve. * Bill Bennett: did not serve. * Pat Buchanan: did not serve. * Bill Kristol: did not serve. * Kenneth Starr: did not serve. * Antonin Scalia: did not serve. * Clarence Thomas: did not serve. * Ralph Reed: did not serve. * Michael Medved: did not serve. * Charlie Daniels: did not serve. * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.) g.c. Did not serve but did get far enough in the draft process to be forced to bend over (along with 50 other guys, in the same room at the same time) and have several Army doctors look up his rectum. The most Dadaist moment of his life. |
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George Cleveland wrote in
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Frank Church wrote:
...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. You got that right. And why should they ? What kind of La La Land do you live in anyway where the 48% of the people who feel screwed, ****ed and betrayed by their own goddamn countrymen are now supposed to act like nothing ever happened ? Besides being stupid, that would be downright unpatriotic ! So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. Love it or leave it, Frankie baby. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Fortenberry writes:
There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea Time to get your 7 iron out of the attic? Chicken****! |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Fortenberry writes: There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea Time to get your 7 iron out of the attic? Chicken****! It's in the basement, but Damn Right !! Lard Ass ! -- Ken Fortenberry |
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George Cleveland wrote:
Democrats .... Republicans .... In any case, I'd like to take this politically motivated post as an opportunity to say thanks to all who have served in our military. I don't see that as some kind of political football, but as a sacrifice I appreciate. Thanks, guys. -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) -- TL, Tim The first shot was fired at approx. 10:30 PM 12/04/2004 by G.C. Do try to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! Love and bombs away, Mark --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) The first shot was fired at approx. 10:30 PM 12/04/2004 by G.C. Do try to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! Do try to keep up, Mark. The first shot was fired long before I arrived in this marvelous place and the shots have continued constantly. Love and bombs away, That one was close! :( -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) The first shot was fired at approx. 10:30 PM 12/04/2004 by G.C. Do try to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! Do try to keep up, Mark. The first shot was fired long before I arrived in this marvelous place and the shots have continued constantly. Love and bombs away, That one was close! :( -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Guyz-N-Flyz wrote: "Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) The first shot was fired at approx. 10:30 PM 12/04/2004 by G.C. Do try to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! Do try to keep up, Mark. The first shot was fired long before I arrived in this marvelous place and the shots have continued constantly. Do try--HARDER--to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! I was referrin' to the latest volley. Love and bombs away, That one was close! :( Do you remember how much fun it was, in grade school, to play kickball with those jelly balls? Mark -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Guyz-N-Flyz wrote: "Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. snip There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) The first shot was fired at approx. 10:30 PM 12/04/2004 by G.C. Do try to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! Do try to keep up, Mark. The first shot was fired long before I arrived in this marvelous place and the shots have continued constantly. Do try--HARDER--to keep up Timmmmmmmmay! I was referrin' to the latest volley. Love and bombs away, That one was close! :( Do you remember how much fun it was, in grade school, to play kickball with those jelly balls? Mark -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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You got that right. And why should they ? Because if you guys don't recover from 2004, (hell some of you haven't got past 2000 yet), and come up with a viable candidate for 2008, you'll be doomed to yet another four years of handwringing and whining. Time for someone on the left to suck it up, strap on a set of balls and oust the Clintonistas and start with a clean sheet of paper. Believe it or not, I'd like to see a Democrat that I'd consider giving my vote in 2008. What kind of La La Land do you live in anyway where the 48% of the people who feel screwed, ****ed and betrayed by their own goddamn countrymen are now supposed to act like nothing ever happened ? Besides being stupid, that would be downright unpatriotic ! A kind of La-La land where 51% of the people were rational, and felt Kerry was so bad that they went with Bush, who was clearly vulnerable. So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. And you can get used to losing governors and seats in congress, as well as presidential elections, as long as your party shares your views. The protests and calls for impeachment will only drive the majority of voters away from the Democrats. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:38:43 GMT, Frank Church
wrote: George Cleveland wrote in : ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. Not a big fan of irony, eh, Frank? |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:30:11 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote: Democrats g.c. Did not serve but did get far enough in the draft process to be forced to bend over (along with 50 other guys, in the same room at the same time) and have several Army doctors look up his rectum. The most Dadaist moment of his life. Interesting, obviously-biased list - some notables missing: Bush, Sr. - served, DFC Reagan - served Ford - served Nixon - served (and for almost 25 years, through WWII until 1966) LBJ - served JFK - served Eisenhower - served Truman - served FDR - no service Lincoln - odd short service (something like 2-4 months in 30-day chunks) Bob Dole - served and of course, what would any topic be without: Hitler - served Stalin - served HTH, R |
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Tim J. wrote:
When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
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Tim J. wrote:
When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
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George Adams wrote:
Because if you guys don't recover from 2004, (hell some of you haven't got past 2000 yet), and come up with a viable candidate for 2008, you'll be doomed to yet another four years of handwringing and whining. Well, a candidate who can garner 48% of the vote is "viable" according to my dictionary and we're *all* doomed, but only some of us are aware enough to realize it. Time for someone on the left to suck it up, strap on a set of balls and oust the Clintonistas and start with a clean sheet of paper. Believe it or not, I'd like to see a Democrat that I'd consider giving my vote in 2008. Make up your mind, do you want to consider someone on the left or a Democrat ? Hint: There is no "viable" left in American politics. And you can get used to losing governors and seats in congress, as well as presidential elections, as long as your party shares your views. The protests and calls for impeachment will only drive the majority of voters away from the Democrats. Yeah, the American electorate is hopelessly stupid and too easily manipulated into voting against their own best interests. I don't see any silver linings in the clouds gathering over the future of our republic. That doesn't mean I'm going to abdicate my right to bitch about it though. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:58:13 GMT, "Stan Gula" wrote:
Tim J. wrote: When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. Oooh! Oooh! Can I go? I can wear my "I'm With Stupid ---------------------" t-shirt.... TC, R |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:58:13 GMT, "Stan Gula" wrote:
Tim J. wrote: When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. Oooh! Oooh! Can I go? I can wear my "I'm With Stupid ---------------------" t-shirt.... TC, R |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:58:13 GMT, "Stan Gula" wrote:
Tim J. wrote: When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. Oooh! Oooh! Can I go? I can wear my "I'm With Stupid ---------------------" t-shirt.... TC, R |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. You got that right. And why should they ? What kind of La La Land do you live in anyway where the 48% of the people who feel screwed, ****ed and betrayed by their own goddamn countrymen are now supposed to act like nothing ever happened ? Besides being stupid, that would be downright unpatriotic ! ......well **** Kenny, one out of two is acceptable, now you guess which one. So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. Love it or leave it, Frankie baby. .....no, I don't love it and I damn sure ain't letting a bunch of whiny- assed lefties run me out of this newsgroup. Hellraising? Oh **** oh dear me, I can see it now...you and Opie marching in front of the Capitol with your cardboard signs. You gonna issue Op a seven iron? Two of a kind I'd say. My irony meter just pegged. Frank the Red ...I wonder how many non US roffians are still with us after a year of this ****? My apologies to you all. And, oh yeah, BITE ME FORTY!! |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om: Frank Church wrote: ...apparently rec.backcountry has their own OT posting idealogues as well as roff. Frank Church ..some people will never get over it.. You got that right. And why should they ? What kind of La La Land do you live in anyway where the 48% of the people who feel screwed, ****ed and betrayed by their own goddamn countrymen are now supposed to act like nothing ever happened ? Besides being stupid, that would be downright unpatriotic ! ......well **** Kenny, one out of two is acceptable, now you guess which one. So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. Love it or leave it, Frankie baby. .....no, I don't love it and I damn sure ain't letting a bunch of whiny- assed lefties run me out of this newsgroup. Hellraising? Oh **** oh dear me, I can see it now...you and Opie marching in front of the Capitol with your cardboard signs. You gonna issue Op a seven iron? Two of a kind I'd say. My irony meter just pegged. Frank the Red ...I wonder how many non US roffians are still with us after a year of this ****? My apologies to you all. And, oh yeah, BITE ME FORTY!! |
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Frank Church wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Love it or leave it, Frankie baby. ....no, I don't love it and I damn sure ain't letting a bunch of whiny- assed lefties run me out of this newsgroup. So what's left ? You'll whine and bitch and moan about OT posts that you could easily ignore (that's why they're labeled OT, although really in roff there *is* no OT) and someone else will whine and bitch and moan about your whining and bitching and moaning and then you'll get on your high horse and whine and bitch and moan about someone whining and bitching and moaning about your whining and bitching and moaning. And there'll be whining and bitching and moaning unto the heavens for forty fortnights ... or you could just ignore the politics and shut the **** up about it. ... And, oh yeah, BITE ME FORTY!! Hmmm .... bring meat tenderizer, old coots tend to be tough and stringy. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Frank Church wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Love it or leave it, Frankie baby. ....no, I don't love it and I damn sure ain't letting a bunch of whiny- assed lefties run me out of this newsgroup. So what's left ? You'll whine and bitch and moan about OT posts that you could easily ignore (that's why they're labeled OT, although really in roff there *is* no OT) and someone else will whine and bitch and moan about your whining and bitching and moaning and then you'll get on your high horse and whine and bitch and moan about someone whining and bitching and moaning about your whining and bitching and moaning. And there'll be whining and bitching and moaning unto the heavens for forty fortnights ... or you could just ignore the politics and shut the **** up about it. ... And, oh yeah, BITE ME FORTY!! Hmmm .... bring meat tenderizer, old coots tend to be tough and stringy. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Tim J. wrote: wrote: Oooh! Oooh! Can I go? I can wear my "I'm With Stupid ---------------------" t-shirt.... More like ---------------------- simply, deus ex machina... are you sure you're a republican? |
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In any case, I'd like to take this politically motivated post as an
opportunity to say thanks to all who have served in our military. I don't see that as some kind of political football, but as a sacrifice I appreciate. Thanks, guys Tim Thanks, Tim. Blessed are the cheesemakers!" -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 When the dawn came up like thunder http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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In any case, I'd like to take this politically motivated post as an
opportunity to say thanks to all who have served in our military. I don't see that as some kind of political football, but as a sacrifice I appreciate. Thanks, guys Tim Thanks, Tim. Blessed are the cheesemakers!" -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 When the dawn came up like thunder http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"Stan Gula" wrote in message news:9TIsd.947$pe.141@trndny04... Tim J. wrote: When will this start? I just LOVE a parade. ;-) On inauguration day, let's march down to the Federal Building, I'll carry my 'Impeach Bush Now' sign, you can carry your 'Get Over It' sign. We'll stage a fight for the cameras, then go get us a well earned beer or 2 or 3. -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps You know, if we confess to some lurid, internet, three way love affair, Jerry Springer will not only give us a well deserved beer or two but a flight to where ever it is and dinner and a room and all kinds of free stuff. And probably all the beer we can drink. john |
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"asadi...." wrote in message ink.net... And probably all the beer we can drink. Bill Gates couldn't afford that, much less Springer. |
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Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country. Who was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black pyjamas who were sweeping through New England? Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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Lazarus writes:
Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country. Who was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black pyjamas who were sweeping through New England? No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his life and Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS. |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om: So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. The one thing I found absolutely shocking in Fahrenheit 9/11 was the prtotests going on at the last inauguration that the press chose not to cover Scott |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Lazarus writes: Actually, one of the (many) things that made me gag during the recent election campaign was Kerry going on about "defending" his country. Who was he defending it against? Hordes of little men in black pyjamas who were sweeping through New England? No. Actually it was one wounded VC teenager who was fleeing for his life and Kerry shot him in the back and received a SS. Dave, IMHO you really should give this a rest. It serves no purpose. I've never served in the military and have certainly never been in a "kill or be killed" weapons exchange, but I can only imagine the horror and fear that accompanies that sort of situation. The political campaigns to smear both candidates military records sickened me. I'm sure Kerry did what he thought he had to do at the time based on his circumstances, and neither you nor I will know for sure what warranted his actions. I disliked Kerry's actions after he returned from war, his stances on certain issues, and especially his Senate voting record, but I see no reason to question his history while in the military. In fact, at this point, I see no value in discussing ANY of this. The election is over - time to move forward. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Scott Seidman wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote in om: So get used to it. There will be protests at the inauguration, there will be calls for impeachment, there will be hell-raising from sea to shining sea and some of it will appear here in your favorite fishing group. The one thing I found absolutely shocking in Fahrenheit 9/11 was the prtotests going on at the last inauguration that the press chose not to cover Hmmmm. . . haven't there been protests at *every* inauguration? Probably not newsworthy (read: violent and loud) enough to cover. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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"Tim J." wrote Hmmmm. . . haven't there been protests at *every* inauguration? well, there was *one* little incident at mine, but it was relatively innocuous, and the minister of interior placidity (gen'l j.m. roberts) handled it quite effectively. yfitons wayno (modesty prohibits recitation of further detail) |
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"Tim J." wrote Hmmmm. . . haven't there been protests at *every* inauguration? well, there was *one* little incident at mine, but it was relatively innocuous, and the minister of interior placidity (gen'l j.m. roberts) handled it quite effectively. yfitons wayno (modesty prohibits recitation of further detail) |
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