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George Cleveland December 22nd, 2004 02:28 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


[email protected] December 22nd, 2004 04:23 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R


George Cleveland December 22nd, 2004 04:31 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R



Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

g.c.

Mark H. Bowen December 22nd, 2004 04:37 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


Plausible, I'd say.

Mark



daytripper December 22nd, 2004 04:48 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...


Hey! You stole that last one from "Scenes We'd Really Like To See"

Ken Fortenberry December 22nd, 2004 04:53 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
daytripper wrote:
wrote:

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...


Hey! You stole that last one from "Scenes We'd Really Like To See"


Either that or he's been smoking some of Asadi's stash.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 02:03 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Meanwhile, "DarkSyde" is a stupid name.........presumably calculated to
ensure that what few thinking human beings reside on the planet will not
take its bearer seriously. Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.
Maybe "Cassandra" was a stupid name in its day too......I dunno. At any
rate, the message remains as clear, for those who choose to listen, as it
ever was, and this is one of the more articulate and evocative versions of
it that I've run across. Thought provoking indeed......for those inclined
to think. Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

But their children or grandchildren most certainly will. :)

Wolfgang
for whom the issue is moot.



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 02:17 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 02:17 AM

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 02:34 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
. ..
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 02:34 AM


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
. ..
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 02:35 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:48:49 GMT, daytripper
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:


As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...


......_"Scenes We'd Really Like To See"_....


....ssicko...

TC,
R


Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 02:36 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...


hee, hee, hee. :)


p.s. (Emp. add.)

Hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 02:37 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?


Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 02:37 AM

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.


Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)


Uh-huh...see above...


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?


Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 02:40 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:



Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?


Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?


Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Yeah.....that's clever.

Wolfgang



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 03:06 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:



Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?


Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?


Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.


Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.


Well, yeah, of course it was...


Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 03:16 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:



Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?


Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.


Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.


Well, yeah, of course it was...


Well, in all this time in ROFF you've definitely been right about two
things. Yes, I AM laughing at you.......and yes, it IS pretty cool to be
me.

Wolfgang
um.......well, o.k., three things.......your daddy was right again, there is
nothing about you that would be of interest to any thinking adult. :)



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 03:19 AM


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.


Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.


Well, yeah, of course it was...


Well, in all this time in ROFF you've definitely been right about two
things. Yes, I AM laughing at you.......and yes, it IS pretty cool to be
me.

Wolfgang
um.......well, o.k., three things.......your daddy was right again, there
is nothing about you that would be of interest to any thinking adult.
:)


Oh, and about that sexually satisfied thingy.........socks are cheap where
you live, huh? That's o.k. :)

Wolfgang
try har........um......well, you know.



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 03:19 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.


Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.


Well, yeah, of course it was...


Well, in all this time in ROFF you've definitely been right about two
things. Yes, I AM laughing at you.......and yes, it IS pretty cool to be
me.

Wolfgang
um.......well, o.k., three things.......your daddy was right again, there
is nothing about you that would be of interest to any thinking adult.
:)


Oh, and about that sexually satisfied thingy.........socks are cheap where
you live, huh? That's o.k. :)

Wolfgang
try har........um......well, you know.



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 03:19 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:16:32 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.


Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.


Well, yeah, of course it was...


Well, in all this time in ROFF you've definitely been right about two
things. Yes, I AM laughing at you.......and yes, it IS pretty cool to be
me.


Wolfgang
um.......well, o.k., three things.......your daddy was right again, there is
nothing about you that would be of interest to any thinking adult. :)


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!




[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 03:31 AM

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:19:02 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Oh, and about that sexually satisfied thingy.........socks are cheap where
you live, huh? That's o.k. :)

Wolfgang
try har........um......well, you know.


Oh, and about that BWAHAHAHAHA! thingy...BWAHAHAHAHA!



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 03:31 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:19:02 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Oh, and about that sexually satisfied thingy.........socks are cheap where
you live, huh? That's o.k. :)

Wolfgang
try har........um......well, you know.


Oh, and about that BWAHAHAHAHA! thingy...BWAHAHAHAHA!



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 03:33 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:16:32 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:40:10 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Nope. Every wonder how life might be different if you didn't?

Often. That's just one of the minor ways in which we differ.

Duh...and as to the majors, I'm younger, smarter, better-looking,
funnier, richer, and much more sexually-satisfied than Lil' Stevie...and
you aren't...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Redux...

Yeah.....that's clever.

Well, yeah, of course it was...


Well, in all this time in ROFF you've definitely been right about two
things. Yes, I AM laughing at you.......and yes, it IS pretty cool to be
me.


Wolfgang
um.......well, o.k., three things.......your daddy was right again, there
is
nothing about you that would be of interest to any thinking adult. :)


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


Hm.......let me guess........you've forgotten the offer, haven't you?
:)

Wolfgang



Wolfgang December 23rd, 2004 03:36 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Hm.......let me guess........you've forgotten the offer, haven't you? :)

Wolfgang


p.s. nighty night!

Wolfgang
who is retiring early tonight to ponder the vexing question of just how it
is that he always manages to get sucked into this ****. :(



[email protected] December 23rd, 2004 03:01 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:31:45 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.


Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R



Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


Nope, sorry, no dark, doom-n-gloom syde for me. While an immediate end
to the availability of "oil" would be a mess, that's not what's
happening or going to happen. The gradual, anticipated decline won't be
any more than a transition as new technologies in recovery (do a lookup
on "Barnett shale") will simply replace the old ones, extending the
availability, along with concurrent phase-in of new fuel and power
technologies. People looking in from the (complete) outside put WAY too
much importance on "oil" (and granted, some on the inside do, too). As
I've mentioned here before, IMO, fuel cells and similar, along with
surface-produceables (ethanol, etc.), will be the next phase. Look at
coal, whale oil, wood, peat, etc. as similar models of replaced (or
substantially-replaced) fuel sources.

TC,
R


David Snedeker December 23rd, 2004 11:14 PM


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?



David Snedeker December 23rd, 2004 11:14 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?



David Snedeker December 23rd, 2004 11:17 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Hm.......let me guess........you've forgotten the offer, haven't you? :)

Wolfgang


p.s. nighty night!

Wolfgang
who is retiring early tonight to ponder the vexing question of just how it
is that he always manages to get sucked into this ****. :(


You don't get sucked into it . . . YOU Create the ****, you obnoxious
A-hole.

Dave



David Snedeker December 23rd, 2004 11:17 PM


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Hm.......let me guess........you've forgotten the offer, haven't you? :)

Wolfgang


p.s. nighty night!

Wolfgang
who is retiring early tonight to ponder the vexing question of just how it
is that he always manages to get sucked into this ****. :(


You don't get sucked into it . . . YOU Create the ****, you obnoxious
A-hole.

Dave



asadi.... December 23rd, 2004 11:46 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 
True, but instead of declaring 'war on oil' and searching for alternatives
now, we are gouging the less fortunate than Haliburton.

If these were the reserves of your family (rhetorically speaking) we would
be a lot farther along with other energy sources than we are now.

money talks.... to those who have it.
IMHO john
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:31:45 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...ead/thread/240

9ad59c1404624/536c2cd556e07ff1#536c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R



Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.


Nope, sorry, no dark, doom-n-gloom syde for me. While an immediate end
to the availability of "oil" would be a mess, that's not what's
happening or going to happen. The gradual, anticipated decline won't be
any more than a transition as new technologies in recovery (do a lookup
on "Barnett shale") will simply replace the old ones, extending the
availability, along with concurrent phase-in of new fuel and power
technologies. People looking in from the (complete) outside put WAY too
much importance on "oil" (and granted, some on the inside do, too). As
I've mentioned here before, IMO, fuel cells and similar, along with
surface-produceables (ethanol, etc.), will be the next phase. Look at
coal, whale oil, wood, peat, etc. as similar models of replaced (or
substantially-replaced) fuel sources.

TC,
R




Wolfgang December 24th, 2004 04:36 AM


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

You don't get sucked into it . . .


Right.

YOU Create the ****,


Wrong.

you obnoxious A-hole.


Fool.

Wolfgang
i mean, think about it.......i can't actually MAKE them do
this........um.......can i? :)



Wolfgang December 24th, 2004 04:36 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

You don't get sucked into it . . .


Right.

YOU Create the ****,


Wrong.

you obnoxious A-hole.


Fool.

Wolfgang
i mean, think about it.......i can't actually MAKE them do
this........um.......can i? :)



Wolfgang December 24th, 2004 04:38 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?


Well, who ELSE would?

Fool.

Wolfgang



Wolfgang December 24th, 2004 04:38 AM


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?


Well, who ELSE would?

Fool.

Wolfgang



[email protected] December 24th, 2004 05:42 AM

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:46:53 GMT, "asadi...."
wrote:

True, but instead of declaring 'war on oil' and searching for alternatives
now, we are gouging the less fortunate than Haliburton.


Well, they (along with a VERY few others) have the technology. Good,
bad, or ugly, that's the way it is. How much would you charge on top of
the going rate to be in the line of fire?

If these were the reserves of your family (rhetorically speaking) we would
be a lot farther along with other energy sources than we are now.


No, IMO, "we" wouldn't be - we'd be right where "we" are, regardless of
the current "oil" companies, Bush, Kerry, Blair, Chirac, Putin, or
who-what-/ever.

money talks.... to those who have it.


Um, well, yeah...and I can't imagine you're either shocked or surprised.

IMHO john


Why is it humble? Why can't it just be "IMO john"

IMO,
R


[email protected] December 24th, 2004 05:42 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:46:53 GMT, "asadi...."
wrote:

True, but instead of declaring 'war on oil' and searching for alternatives
now, we are gouging the less fortunate than Haliburton.


Well, they (along with a VERY few others) have the technology. Good,
bad, or ugly, that's the way it is. How much would you charge on top of
the going rate to be in the line of fire?

If these were the reserves of your family (rhetorically speaking) we would
be a lot farther along with other energy sources than we are now.


No, IMO, "we" wouldn't be - we'd be right where "we" are, regardless of
the current "oil" companies, Bush, Kerry, Blair, Chirac, Putin, or
who-what-/ever.

money talks.... to those who have it.


Um, well, yeah...and I can't imagine you're either shocked or surprised.

IMHO john


Why is it humble? Why can't it just be "IMO john"

IMO,
R


[email protected] December 24th, 2004 06:09 AM

OT But Very Interesting
 
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:38:04 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
t...

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.


Oh, nice...

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?


Unfortunately...

Well, who ELSE would?


Well, Threathlingham...and Father and Mumsie, of course

Fool.

Wolfgang


Me-r-r-r-r-y CHRISTmas!

HTH,
His Dickieship
....and lest I forget, BWAHAHAHAHA!!


[email protected] December 24th, 2004 06:09 AM

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:38:04 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"David Snedeker" wrote in message
t...

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1



Im not buying it. Amazingly . . . I agree w/ Dean.


Oh, nice...

Dave
Holy ****, did I say that?


Unfortunately...

Well, who ELSE would?


Well, Threathlingham...and Father and Mumsie, of course

Fool.

Wolfgang


Me-r-r-r-r-y CHRISTmas!

HTH,
His Dickieship
....and lest I forget, BWAHAHAHAHA!!


asadi.... December 24th, 2004 02:49 PM

OT But Very Interesting
 

Why is it humble? Why can't it just be "IMO
john"

IMO,
R


Well thank you sir. But, one can't be too careful around here in the
winter.....or at any other time of the year for that matter.

john





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