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[email protected] December 28th, 2004 01:04 PM

Is this really a big deal..........
 
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?
I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
MY personal view of these types of post, whether they are from SW,
Rodney, ME, etc. is, no big deal. The people that post all contribute
in other ways and if they have an item that they sell and want to let
us know about it or a special offer that they have, let 'em. It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it. I am
always glad to hear about a new item or specials on products that are
FISHING related. How are these post different than an angler posting a
"product review"? IF you think these reviews are not influenced, I've
got a bridge for sale........
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related

product announcements. My thoughts are, when a persons starts with name
calling/vulgarity, the intelligent conversation has ended and the rest
is garbage. I have a motto that I try to stick to: "Never argue with an
idiot because he'll only drag you down to his level and beat you with
experience".
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.
My point is, IF you don't like Rodney/Joe H./Duane/etc., don't
click on their posts or killfile them. Also, IF you must use vulgarity,
go to a new group that accepts this in their charter.
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~


Ken Fortenberry December 28th, 2004 03:24 PM

wrote:
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?


I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season. I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
snip
It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it.


So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

snip
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related
product announcements.


In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry December 28th, 2004 03:24 PM

wrote:
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?


I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season. I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
snip
It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it.


So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

snip
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related
product announcements.


In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] December 28th, 2004 06:10 PM

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~


[email protected] December 28th, 2004 06:10 PM

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~


Charles Summers December 28th, 2004 06:27 PM

Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about a
little info?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~




Charles Summers December 28th, 2004 06:27 PM

Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about a
little info?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~




[email protected] December 28th, 2004 07:14 PM


Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about

a
little info?


Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~


[email protected] December 28th, 2004 07:14 PM


Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about

a
little info?


Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~


Charles Summers December 28th, 2004 07:37 PM

Awesome man... one of these days I'm going to have a tournament like that! A
5lb smallie is a very nice fish! One of these days....

We fished Dale Hollow one night last summer, and I caught a 21" smallie but
didn't weigh it. It was the only one I caught that night, but was worth the
whole trip.

Oh yeah, you didn't correct my spelling in my reply. That's breath, not
breathe. LOL

wrote in message
oups.com...

Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about

a
little info?


Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~




Charles Summers December 28th, 2004 07:37 PM

Awesome man... one of these days I'm going to have a tournament like that! A
5lb smallie is a very nice fish! One of these days....

We fished Dale Hollow one night last summer, and I caught a 21" smallie but
didn't weigh it. It was the only one I caught that night, but was worth the
whole trip.

Oh yeah, you didn't correct my spelling in my reply. That's breath, not
breathe. LOL

wrote in message
oups.com...

Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about

a
little info?


Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~




Ken Fortenberry December 28th, 2004 09:42 PM

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.


Nah, just 'cause I'm fairly good at it doesn't mean I get
my jollies from it.

... I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........


Two posts are not the end of the world, but if you open the
floodgates to commercial interests, if you allow folks to
advertise to a basically captive audience of bass fishermen,
there will be little else BUT advertisements here and that
would be a shame.

snip
My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but other than
SPAM complaints I really don't complain much at all.

snip
"Can't we all get along?"


Apparently not all of us.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry December 28th, 2004 09:42 PM

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.


Nah, just 'cause I'm fairly good at it doesn't mean I get
my jollies from it.

... I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........


Two posts are not the end of the world, but if you open the
floodgates to commercial interests, if you allow folks to
advertise to a basically captive audience of bass fishermen,
there will be little else BUT advertisements here and that
would be a shame.

snip
My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but other than
SPAM complaints I really don't complain much at all.

snip
"Can't we all get along?"


Apparently not all of us.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 28th, 2004 10:37 PM

On 28 Dec 2004 05:04:27 -0800, sent into the ether:

or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?
I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
MY personal view of these types of post, whether they are from SW,
Rodney, ME, etc. is, no big deal. The people that post all contribute
in other ways and if they have an item that they sell and want to let
us know about it or a special offer that they have, let 'em. It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it. I am
always glad to hear about a new item or specials on products that are
FISHING related. How are these post different than an angler posting a
"product review"? IF you think these reviews are not influenced, I've
got a bridge for sale........
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related

product announcements. My thoughts are, when a persons starts with name
calling/vulgarity, the intelligent conversation has ended and the rest
is garbage. I have a motto that I try to stick to: "Never argue with an
idiot because he'll only drag you down to his level and beat you with
experience".
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.
My point is, IF you don't like Rodney/Joe H./Duane/etc., don't
click on their posts or killfile them. Also, IF you must use vulgarity,
go to a new group that accepts this in their charter.
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

I gotta agree with ya on most of it. Enough crud and more killfile
use.

Remove the x for e-mail reply
www.outdoorfrontiers.com
www.SecretWeaponLures.com

Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 28th, 2004 10:45 PM

On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:01 -0800, sent into the ether:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~



No Jack some can't get along. That is what killfiling is all about.
Use of vulgarity is usually a sign that someone is not bright enough
to think before they speak (type). I would not have seen any of the
posts I did not want to if it was not for a glitch in my filters. Now
they are back to working, the world is right and I am happy :}

Been fishing lately? Are you going to be at the Southern Classic? I
hope to be there this year. I want to meet all the people that did
not make it to the Northern Classic and I also want to see Warren
catch a fish. LOL

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Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 28th, 2004 10:45 PM

On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:01 -0800, sent into the ether:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.


First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.


And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.


I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.


Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.


See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.


My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?


Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)


Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~



No Jack some can't get along. That is what killfiling is all about.
Use of vulgarity is usually a sign that someone is not bright enough
to think before they speak (type). I would not have seen any of the
posts I did not want to if it was not for a glitch in my filters. Now
they are back to working, the world is right and I am happy :}

Been fishing lately? Are you going to be at the Southern Classic? I
hope to be there this year. I want to meet all the people that did
not make it to the Northern Classic and I also want to see Warren
catch a fish. LOL

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Lure builder December 29th, 2004 01:49 AM

I don't mind the occasional spam slipped in and even though i can't take
advantage of it since the cross border thing really pumps up the price. I have
a fantastic cache of lures bought from a lad that closed up his tackle shop. In
addition i'll be making my own high end line of lures.
I know stony is pretty astute but i don't know how he comes up with the 96.7%
figure.

Charles Summers December 29th, 2004 02:39 PM

Jack really needs to be there, and so do you Dan! You'll enjoy Jack... he's
a pretty funny guy when he's downing his Red Bull. Just stand back a little
ways from him in case he really gets wild.

As far as being fun watching Warren catch fish... You'll have a blast doing
that! Warren kinda has this knack for Tennessee fish. I'll warn you now...
if you get paired with him, you might as well spend the day holding the net.
You probably won't have time to lift a rod.


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:01 -0800, sent into the ether:


Been fishing lately? Are you going to be at the Southern Classic? I
hope to be there this year. I want to meet all the people that did
not make it to the Northern Classic and I also want to see Warren
catch a fish. LOL

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Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 30th, 2004 12:43 AM

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:39:16 -0600, "Charles Summers"
sent into the ether:

Jack really needs to be there, and so do you Dan! You'll enjoy Jack... he's
a pretty funny guy when he's downing his Red Bull. Just stand back a little
ways from him in case he really gets wild.

As far as being fun watching Warren catch fish... You'll have a blast doing
that! Warren kinda has this knack for Tennessee fish. I'll warn you now...
if you get paired with him, you might as well spend the day holding the net.
You probably won't have time to lift a rod.


I can't wait. Warren will have to net his own as I will be swinging
mine in or lipping them :}



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:01 -0800, sent into the ether:


Been fishing lately? Are you going to be at the Southern Classic? I
hope to be there this year. I want to meet all the people that did
not make it to the Northern Classic and I also want to see Warren
catch a fish. LOL

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go-bassn December 30th, 2004 04:48 AM

Why thanks Charles, I find the TN bass just as freindly as my TN bassn
buddies. The fishing down there seems to be all about patterns, at least
from the two lakes that I've spent a few days each on - much more so than
99% of my local waters. Can't wait to run the Gambler on Center Hill!

--
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Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Jack really needs to be there, and so do you Dan! You'll enjoy Jack...
he's
a pretty funny guy when he's downing his Red Bull. Just stand back a
little
ways from him in case he really gets wild.

As far as being fun watching Warren catch fish... You'll have a blast
doing
that! Warren kinda has this knack for Tennessee fish. I'll warn you now...
if you get paired with him, you might as well spend the day holding the
net.
You probably won't have time to lift a rod.


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:01 -0800, sent into the ether:


Been fishing lately? Are you going to be at the Southern Classic? I
hope to be there this year. I want to meet all the people that did
not make it to the Northern Classic and I also want to see Warren
catch a fish. LOL

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Todd Copeland December 30th, 2004 10:54 AM

wrote in message
oups.com...
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?


I guess it's important enough to some people to start a brand new thread for
a topic already being discussed elsewhere.



[email protected] December 30th, 2004 12:44 PM


Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now wrote:
No Jack some can't get along. That is what killfiling is all about.
Use of vulgarity is usually a sign that someone is not bright enough
to think before they speak (type).


Great point!!
Been fishing lately?


Not since mid-Nov.....we've had ice since then and the duck/goose
hunting has been too good.
Are you going to be at the Southern Classic?


For as much as I'd love to be there, it is doubtfull. I'm trying to
scrape the resources together to fish the Everstart Northeast Division
this year and only have so much vacation time (not to mention the 'get
out of jail' cards from my wife or the money that it will cost). I'd
love to show up as these are awesome events. I think the most fun I've
ever had was at the 2000 NWC that I attended.


Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com


[email protected] December 30th, 2004 12:50 PM


Jack really needs to be there, and so do you Dan! You'll enjoy Jack...

he's
a pretty funny guy when he's downing his Red Bull. Just stand back a

little
ways from him in case he really gets wild.


Charles knows, I like my Red Bull (hope this doesn't come across as
'Spam') and I find it funny that the people at the NWC thought that I
came across as a "little stiff". I'm usually pretty laid back and don't
get riled up too easily. While I am very conservative, I do like humor,
even off color stuff. Charles, I can't help but to think about the
Yamaha Cheerleaders at the FLW Tour Championships.........

It is doubtful that I will be there, unfortunately.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~


[email protected] December 30th, 2004 12:53 PM

guess it's important enough to some people to start a brand new thread
for
a topic already being discussed elsewhere.


Good point and guilty as charged.......
Jack

~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~


Ken Fortenberry December 30th, 2004 12:54 PM

wrote:

Charles knows, I like my Red Bull (hope this doesn't come across as
'Spam') and I find it funny that the people at the NWC thought that I
came across as a "little stiff". ...


Do you own Red Bull ? Work for them ? Own a substantial
amount of their stock ? If not I'd say you come across
less as a "little stiff" than as a "little smart***."

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] December 30th, 2004 02:18 PM

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:

Do you own Red Bull ? Work for them ? Own a substantial
amount of their stock ?


THEY are a fishing sponsor of mine. Also, this was sarcasm and it
figures that you'd be the only one to not get it.....

If not I'd say you come across
less as a "little stiff" than as a "little smart***."


YOU might want to know your audience before you attack someone's
intelligence....but you are superior to all in every way.

Again, I contend that YOU are always looking for an arguement. I'm done
with you.PLONK

Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~

--
Ken Fortenberry



Charles Summers December 30th, 2004 02:26 PM

How in the world could ANYONE forget the Yamaha Cheerleaders???? I dream
about them girls at least twice a week, LOL

They do know how to raise them in Alabama...

Too bad about the MTC... :-(

wrote in message
ups.com...

Charles, I can't help but to think about the
Yamaha Cheerleaders at the FLW Tour Championships.........

It is doubtful that I will be there, unfortunately.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~




Ken Fortenberry December 30th, 2004 02:39 PM

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Do you own Red Bull ? ...


THEY are a fishing sponsor of mine. Also, this was sarcasm and it
figures that you'd be the only one to not get it.....


Oh, I "got it" alright. Call it "sarcasm" if you want, but by
any name it was a snide, smart***ed cheap shot.

If not I'd say you come across
less as a "little stiff" than as a "little smart***."


YOU might want to know your audience before you attack someone's
intelligence....but you are superior to all in every way.


I don't follow. Since when does pointing out that someone
comes across as a little smart*** become an attack on
someone's intelligence ?

Again, I contend that YOU are always looking for an arguement. I'm done
with you.PLONK


And again, I couldn't care less what you contend.

Buh bye.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Illinois Fisherman December 30th, 2004 04:56 PM

NOW, I know your a TROLL, Mr. Dinglberry.


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Do you own Red Bull ? ...


THEY are a fishing sponsor of mine. Also, this was sarcasm and it
figures that you'd be the only one to not get it.....


Oh, I "got it" alright. Call it "sarcasm" if you want, but by
any name it was a snide, smart***ed cheap shot.

If not I'd say you come across
less as a "little stiff" than as a "little smart***."


YOU might want to know your audience before you attack someone's
intelligence....but you are superior to all in every way.


I don't follow. Since when does pointing out that someone
comes across as a little smart*** become an attack on
someone's intelligence ?

Again, I contend that YOU are always looking for an arguement. I'm done
with you.PLONK


And again, I couldn't care less what you contend.

Buh bye.

--
Ken Fortenberry




Bob Rickard December 30th, 2004 07:08 PM

You think THOSE cheerleaders are something, you ought to watch the true
hotties that fuel my personal hot flashes: The Depends Girls! One hard shake
of those gorgeous octogenarian booties and their hot buns literally become
perpetual motion machines, and would surely undulate their succulent bodies
straight into interplanetary orbit were it not for the stabilizing effects
of their support hose and the return to emotional reality supplied by the
firm foundation of their walkers .

Just visualizing their pure animal sexuality has me in a hard, hot sweat,
heart pounding, and grasping for my nitro while screaming GO BABY, GO!

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
How in the world could ANYONE forget the Yamaha Cheerleaders???? I dream
about them girls at least twice a week, LOL

They do know how to raise them in Alabama...

Too bad about the MTC... :-(

wrote in message
ups.com...

Charles, I can't help but to think about the
Yamaha Cheerleaders at the FLW Tour Championships.........

It is doubtful that I will be there, unfortunately.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~






Bob Rickard December 30th, 2004 07:08 PM

You think THOSE cheerleaders are something, you ought to watch the true
hotties that fuel my personal hot flashes: The Depends Girls! One hard shake
of those gorgeous octogenarian booties and their hot buns literally become
perpetual motion machines, and would surely undulate their succulent bodies
straight into interplanetary orbit were it not for the stabilizing effects
of their support hose and the return to emotional reality supplied by the
firm foundation of their walkers .

Just visualizing their pure animal sexuality has me in a hard, hot sweat,
heart pounding, and grasping for my nitro while screaming GO BABY, GO!

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
How in the world could ANYONE forget the Yamaha Cheerleaders???? I dream
about them girls at least twice a week, LOL

They do know how to raise them in Alabama...

Too bad about the MTC... :-(

wrote in message
ups.com...

Charles, I can't help but to think about the
Yamaha Cheerleaders at the FLW Tour Championships.........

It is doubtful that I will be there, unfortunately.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~






Ken Fortenberry December 30th, 2004 07:22 PM

Bob Rickard wrote:
You think THOSE cheerleaders are something, you ought to watch the true
hotties that fuel my personal hot flashes: The Depends Girls! One hard shake
of those gorgeous octogenarian booties and their hot buns literally become
perpetual motion machines, and would surely undulate their succulent bodies
straight into interplanetary orbit were it not for the stabilizing effects
of their support hose and the return to emotional reality supplied by the
firm foundation of their walkers .

Just visualizing their pure animal sexuality has me in a hard, hot sweat,
heart pounding, and grasping for my nitro while screaming GO BABY, GO!


Hmmm, what we may be witnessing here is the first clinical trial
ever where Viagra is mixed with medicinal marijuana. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry December 30th, 2004 10:11 PM

Illinois Fisherman wrote:
NOW, I know your a TROLL, Mr. Dinglberry.


Good for you !!

BTW, I didn't write _A Troll, Mr. Dinglberry_ , but
maybe if you hum a few bars I'll recognize the tune.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry December 30th, 2004 10:11 PM

Illinois Fisherman wrote:
NOW, I know your a TROLL, Mr. Dinglberry.


Good for you !!

BTW, I didn't write _A Troll, Mr. Dinglberry_ , but
maybe if you hum a few bars I'll recognize the tune.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 30th, 2004 11:01 PM

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:08:58 GMT, "Bob Rickard"
sent into the ether:

You think THOSE cheerleaders are something, you ought to watch the true
hotties that fuel my personal hot flashes: The Depends Girls! One hard shake
of those gorgeous octogenarian booties and their hot buns literally become
perpetual motion machines, and would surely undulate their succulent bodies
straight into interplanetary orbit were it not for the stabilizing effects
of their support hose and the return to emotional reality supplied by the
firm foundation of their walkers .

Just visualizing their pure animal sexuality has me in a hard, hot sweat,
heart pounding, and grasping for my nitro while screaming GO BABY, GO!

ROFLMAO

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Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard December 30th, 2004 11:03 PM

On 30 Dec 2004 04:44:40 -0800, sent into the ether:


Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now wrote:
No Jack some can't get along. That is what killfiling is all about.
Use of vulgarity is usually a sign that someone is not bright enough
to think before they speak (type).


Great point!!
Been fishing lately?


Not since mid-Nov.....we've had ice since then and the duck/goose
hunting has been too good.
Are you going to be at the Southern Classic?


For as much as I'd love to be there, it is doubtfull. I'm trying to
scrape the resources together to fish the Everstart Northeast Division
this year and only have so much vacation time (not to mention the 'get
out of jail' cards from my wife or the money that it will cost). I'd
love to show up as these are awesome events. I think the most fun I've
ever had was at the 2000 NWC that I attended.


Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com


That is too bad Jack. I have been looking forward to meeting you and
some of the others.

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go-bassn December 31st, 2004 02:59 AM

You were a blast at the NWC Jack, especially to fish with buddy. Hard to
imagine us having that much fun & not catching a single keeper lol!

--
Warren

http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

wrote in message
ups.com...

Jack really needs to be there, and so do you Dan! You'll enjoy Jack...

he's
a pretty funny guy when he's downing his Red Bull. Just stand back a

little
ways from him in case he really gets wild.


Charles knows, I like my Red Bull (hope this doesn't come across as
'Spam') and I find it funny that the people at the NWC thought that I
came across as a "little stiff". I'm usually pretty laid back and don't
get riled up too easily. While I am very conservative, I do like humor,
even off color stuff. Charles, I can't help but to think about the
Yamaha Cheerleaders at the FLW Tour Championships.........

It is doubtful that I will be there, unfortunately.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~




go-bassn December 31st, 2004 03:16 AM

Ken, if my opinion means anything to you let it be known that Mr Dalzell is
a 100% class individual, friend & angler. He's as sharp as they come, & I
know firsthand that he'll gladly go out of his way to help a friend in need.

--
Warren

http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Illinois Fisherman wrote:
NOW, I know your a TROLL, Mr. Dinglberry.


Good for you !!

BTW, I didn't write _A Troll, Mr. Dinglberry_ , but
maybe if you hum a few bars I'll recognize the tune.

--
Ken Fortenberry




Ken Fortenberry December 31st, 2004 01:26 PM

go-bassn wrote:
Ken, if my opinion means anything to you let it be known that Mr Dalzell is
a 100% class individual, friend & angler. He's as sharp as they come, & I
know firsthand that he'll gladly go out of his way to help a friend in need.


I don't doubt that for a moment, Warren. This typing on computers
is a poor way to communicate. Without inflection, facial expressions
or body language, smartaleck ***holes such as myself can really
torque some people off, and I didn't really mean to get under
Jack's skin as much as, well ..., s*** happens.

I've met quite a few of the regulars on the fly fishing group in
person and despite some spectacular dust ups in the newsgroup most
all those guys are class acts. It's just like "real life", there's
a small handful of folks who could be real good friends, the vast
majority of folks who are decent fellows, and then there's another
very small handful you wouldn't cross the street to p*** on if
they were on fire. Even though I've never met anyone from ROFB
I've always assumed the same of the folks here.

But thanks for the note anyway, Warren and *HAPPY NEW YEAR* to all
of ROFB.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Charles B. Summers December 31st, 2004 04:04 PM

AMEN!



"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Ken, if my opinion means anything to you let it be known that Mr Dalzell

is
a 100% class individual, friend & angler. He's as sharp as they come, & I
know firsthand that he'll gladly go out of his way to help a friend in

need.

--
Warren

http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions





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