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Crank Biats - Losing fish
I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to
lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. Changing hooks might help Bob, but you have to remember that it's simply part of crankbait fishing. With the free swinging hooks and added weight, it's just the nature of the beast that you're going to lose some fish. For me, I've found that good hooks will help, as will gently playing the fish to avoid overpressuring it. OR, simply change the lure that you're using to something with a more positive hookup. Many times a spinnerbait or soft jerkbait will trigger a "crankbait" fish just as well with better results. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. Changing hooks might help Bob, but you have to remember that it's simply part of crankbait fishing. With the free swinging hooks and added weight, it's just the nature of the beast that you're going to lose some fish. For me, I've found that good hooks will help, as will gently playing the fish to avoid overpressuring it. OR, simply change the lure that you're using to something with a more positive hookup. Many times a spinnerbait or soft jerkbait will trigger a "crankbait" fish just as well with better results. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
I have had excalibur hooks break, they are pretty bridle, Mustad triple
grip hooks seem to do good job and don't break... |
I like Gamagatsu & VMC. But I have had fish spit baits out even with
the sharpest hooks. It's like they grab it so firmly and exhale it without a hook ever touching them. When you do get hooked up, use the drag to your advantage, or better yet, learn to pop the thumbar with your thumb and use your thumb on the spool when a big fish makes a run. Learning to do that has helped me put a lot of big fish in the boat. Quality tackle was the best thing to help me learn to fish crankbaits. A top line graphite rod designed for fishing crankbaits has got fiberglass beat for me. And I tried a bunch of them. My line is 10lb Big Game. I also like the Norman Speed clips and get rid of the snap rings. Trying to horse a fish out of timber is a mistake. That's where I am getting bit. Simply keep pressure on and feed some line when you think it's right and that fish might just swim right out of the mess for you. Don't expect to keep a really big fish on if it grabs the bait at the side of the boat and dives. No thumb in the world is quick enough to pop the thumbar before the pressure is too great to do so. That's where hooks rip out or tackle breaks. Carlos |
I like Gamagatsu & VMC. But I have had fish spit baits out even with
the sharpest hooks. It's like they grab it so firmly and exhale it without a hook ever touching them. When you do get hooked up, use the drag to your advantage, or better yet, learn to pop the thumbar with your thumb and use your thumb on the spool when a big fish makes a run. Learning to do that has helped me put a lot of big fish in the boat. Quality tackle was the best thing to help me learn to fish crankbaits. A top line graphite rod designed for fishing crankbaits has got fiberglass beat for me. And I tried a bunch of them. My line is 10lb Big Game. I also like the Norman Speed clips and get rid of the snap rings. Trying to horse a fish out of timber is a mistake. That's where I am getting bit. Simply keep pressure on and feed some line when you think it's right and that fish might just swim right out of the mess for you. Don't expect to keep a really big fish on if it grabs the bait at the side of the boat and dives. No thumb in the world is quick enough to pop the thumbar before the pressure is too great to do so. That's where hooks rip out or tackle breaks. Carlos |
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2 or 3? 1 or 2? You have no problem Bob, it's all part of the fun!
-- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
2 or 3? 1 or 2? You have no problem Bob, it's all part of the fun!
-- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
Bob this may be a silly response but...
do you raise your rod when they are near the boat? you said you lose most of em when they are near the boat or they change direction sounds like your rod tip is too low, this allows for slack line, which will allow the fish to toss you. Wayne "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
Really well-versed crankbait fisherman, myself not included, can see how the
fish is hooked at first glance & actually maneuver thier rods in such a way as to get the second treble impaled if need be. -- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "spoonplugger" wrote in message news:593Bd.623958$nl.611638@pd7tw3no... Bob this may be a silly response but... do you raise your rod when they are near the boat? you said you lose most of em when they are near the boat or they change direction sounds like your rod tip is too low, this allows for slack line, which will allow the fish to toss you. Wayne "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
Don't expect to keep a really big fish on if it grabs the bait at the side of the boat and dives. No thumb in the world is quick enough to pop the thumbar before the pressure is too great to do so. That's where hooks rip out or tackle breaks. Carlos I guess you're right, at least part of the time, but I've had some really nice pike hit crank baits right at the boat and I don't think there's a black bass in the world that can hit with the intensity of a northern pike. I lost a few fish until I learned a trick or two. I don't try to hit the thumb bar, even though I'm one of the few anglers here old enough to have first learned how to catch fish on reels that had NO DRAG AT ALL other than your thumb. Here's what I do with fish that hit right at boatside. (1) I keep the drag set fairly loose (I can always add thumb pressure when more drag is called for.) (2) When a fish hits right at the boat, I sort of set the hook sideways and keep moving the rod tip to the left or right as seems appropriate. This sideways movement of the rod keeps the line tight while (3) I poke the rod tip down under the water as fast as I possibly can. The idea is to get the tip of the rod well below the bottom of the boat so the fish can't break the line by sawing it on the keel. Sure you'll lose a fish or two -- which you do anyway, no matter where the fish hits your lure -- but if you get in the habit of making a "rod dive" you'll soon be winning a few of those "close encounters." The "rod dive" combined with a loose drag (and an educated thumb) has served me well on hard hitting stripers as well as for pike and bass. Family, Friends, Fishing, Rob Storm http://stormsrestaurants.com |
"carlos" wrote in message SNIP Don't expect to keep a really big fish on if it grabs the bait at the side of the boat and dives. No thumb in the world is quick enough to pop the thumbar before the pressure is too great to do so. That's where hooks rip out or tackle breaks. I agree with Rob Storm on this one. There's plenty of thumbs fast enough in the world, just ask any muskie fisherman. I don't know your definition of a really big fish, but I typically catch 8 - 10 muskies a year that strike at the side of the boat. It's quite simple to stick the fish with a little sideways hookset and follow the fish down with the rod, releasing the spool with either the thumb bar or the side mounted button. This then allows the fish to get away from the boat and you can fight it on a longer line. It doesn't take much to release enough pressure to allow the reel to be put into freespool. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
I agree with Rob Storm on this one. There's plenty of thumbs fast enough in the world, just ask any muskie fisherman. I don't know your definition of a really big fish, but I typically catch 8 - 10 muskies a year that strike at the side of the boat. It's quite simple to stick the fish with a little sideways hookset and follow the fish down with the rod, releasing the spool with either the thumb bar or the side mounted button. This then allows the fish to get away from the boat and you can fight it on a longer line. It doesn't take much to release enough pressure to allow the reel to be put into freespool. I know some serious musky guys who hit freespool and jam their thumb down on the spool as the lure reaches the boat on EVERY cast, just before they dig the rod tip and figure eight the lure, which they do on about half the casts, even when they don't see a follower. |
"RichZ" wrote in message SNIP I know some serious musky guys who hit freespool and jam their thumb down on the spool as the lure reaches the boat on EVERY cast, just before they dig the rod tip and figure eight the lure, which they do on about half the casts, even when they don't see a follower. I do that when I'm muskie fishing, but not when I'm bass fishing. It's ironic because I caught my biggest overall muskie (48", 36 lbs.) while bass fishing. A 3/8th oz. spinnerbait, 12 pound mono and a 6' light action casting rod whipped this fish. But over the years, I've caught so many muskies while bass fishing that I've gotten really good at dropping back and hitting freespool. I lose very few fish nowadays when they hit at the side of the boat. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
I think that's the difference. Musky fisherman expect to get bit at the
side of the boat and bass fisherman get bored and that's when it happens. LOL |
Reading this thread and some of the latest responses it causes me to say why i
like crank baits. If you have a minnow plug and you use a slow steady retrieve with non streach braided line you can feel the hit form the slack in the line. The fish hits the lure on the side and almost towards you. Previous to the hit with braided line you can feel the action of the lure. All of a sudden there is slack in the line and no feeling. Damn it stay alert and set the hook. The line will no longer be slack and there will be nice fish there. |
Reading this thread and some of the latest responses it causes me to say why i
like crank baits. If you have a minnow plug and you use a slow steady retrieve with non streach braided line you can feel the hit form the slack in the line. The fish hits the lure on the side and almost towards you. Previous to the hit with braided line you can feel the action of the lure. All of a sudden there is slack in the line and no feeling. Damn it stay alert and set the hook. The line will no longer be slack and there will be nice fish there. |
"go-bassn" wrote in message
... Really well-versed crankbait fisherman, myself not included, can see how the fish is hooked at first glance & actually maneuver thier rods in such a way as to get the second treble impaled if need be. I did that to an LM on a crank bait last Friday, and again to a small striper on a jerk bait on Saturday. I was trying to remember who had suggested that. Thanks Warren. Bob La Londe www.yumabassman.com -- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "spoonplugger" wrote in message news:593Bd.623958$nl.611638@pd7tw3no... Bob this may be a silly response but... do you raise your rod when they are near the boat? you said you lose most of em when they are near the boat or they change direction sounds like your rod tip is too low, this allows for slack line, which will allow the fish to toss you. Wayne "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
Always a pleasure Bob!
Warren "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:1105056227.87a97b5f5ac0122aba8d0ae66e700d7f@t eranews... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Really well-versed crankbait fisherman, myself not included, can see how the fish is hooked at first glance & actually maneuver thier rods in such a way as to get the second treble impaled if need be. I did that to an LM on a crank bait last Friday, and again to a small striper on a jerk bait on Saturday. I was trying to remember who had suggested that. Thanks Warren. Bob La Londe www.yumabassman.com -- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "spoonplugger" wrote in message news:593Bd.623958$nl.611638@pd7tw3no... Bob this may be a silly response but... do you raise your rod when they are near the boat? you said you lose most of em when they are near the boat or they change direction sounds like your rod tip is too low, this allows for slack line, which will allow the fish to toss you. Wayne "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
Always a pleasure Bob!
Warren "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:1105056227.87a97b5f5ac0122aba8d0ae66e700d7f@t eranews... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Really well-versed crankbait fisherman, myself not included, can see how the fish is hooked at first glance & actually maneuver thier rods in such a way as to get the second treble impaled if need be. I did that to an LM on a crank bait last Friday, and again to a small striper on a jerk bait on Saturday. I was trying to remember who had suggested that. Thanks Warren. Bob La Londe www.yumabassman.com -- Warren http://www.warrenwolk.com Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions "spoonplugger" wrote in message news:593Bd.623958$nl.611638@pd7tw3no... Bob this may be a silly response but... do you raise your rod when they are near the boat? you said you lose most of em when they are near the boat or they change direction sounds like your rod tip is too low, this allows for slack line, which will allow the fish to toss you. Wayne "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... I'm still having problems with crank baits. I can get bit, but I seem to lose a lot of fish on crank baits. I have lost two or three really good fish this year. Two of them were easily my best bass this year. I switched to a lighter rod with more give and it seemed to help some, but I have since still lost two good fish recenntly on cranks. I have heard that a lot of people lose fish on cranks, but somehow I don't think that is the case for me. I think I am somehow playing them wrong. In each case I have had them on for a while and moved them a substantial distance. One or two I lost becasue I over horsed them to try and get them up and away from a submerged tree or something like that, but I really tend to lose them near the boat whent hey change direction. I am considering going through my cranks and upsizing all my hooks to Excalibur rotating hooks. I do get better hook ups on my baits that have those hooks, but I still have lost a few fish on those too. -- Spinner Baits Tips & Tricks Contest featuring Secret Weapon Lures in December ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums ** www.YumaBassMan.com |
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