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winston boron IIX and sage slt
so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? thanks, hjs |
On 2 Jan 2005 19:28:18 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? thanks, hjs Not too many people here own one of these, let alone fished both so you're not likely to get much in the way of worthwhile opinion. Which one is best is strictly up to you -- at this price point, who else's opinion would you trust anyway? Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
On 2 Jan 2005 19:28:18 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? thanks, hjs Not too many people here own one of these, let alone fished both so you're not likely to get much in the way of worthwhile opinion. Which one is best is strictly up to you -- at this price point, who else's opinion would you trust anyway? Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
"HJS" wrote in message oups.com... so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? Judging by postings on other message forums, the Boron IIX may be the latest "go to" rod for anyone wanting to move up to a premium rod but the SLT is no slouch. Winston definitely hit a home run with that one. My wife gave me a IIx for our anniversary but I've not had a chance to do anything except lawn cast it. It felt "different" than my SLT, but not as fast as a Sage XP. The IIX and SLT are great rods in that they are med-fast to fast action rods that load fully with 10' of fly line out or 60'. Can't go wrong with either. |
wayne, that's an awfully nice anniversary present. can't help but wonder how it is that your wife knew to get you a boron IIX. it's not the easiest hint to drop. incidently, i was thrilled to pieces when my wife pulled out a diamondglass 3 wt last week for christmas -- except for the fact that i already have the ds2 3 wt that she and my local fly shop didn't happen to know about. so i sent it back for a 5 wt reel (i'm kinda regretting letting go of that rod which was really really sweet). and now i'm dreaming of the rod. one thing i do know about the winston: the grip seems slender. i like the beefier grip on the sage rods. any ideas whether winston would make one up with a fatter grip if i end up liking the cast of that rod? |
it's a good point, peter. but to be honest, i'd guess i'd trust your
opinion given the number of rods you reportedly have. the only reason i ask is that on paper these rods seem like they'd be real different and not the kind of rods you'd mention in the same breath. needless to say, it's the steep price of these rods that makes me want to ask as many questions before i cut into my mortgage money. best, hjs |
On 2 Jan 2005 22:22:26 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
it's a good point, peter. but to be honest, i'd guess i'd trust your opinion given the number of rods you reportedly have. the only reason i ask is that on paper these rods seem like they'd be real different and not the kind of rods you'd mention in the same breath. needless to say, it's the steep price of these rods that makes me want to ask as many questions before i cut into my mortgage money. best, hjs Wayne is one of the few guys here who will have owned and fished these two rods -- I can think of a couple of others who might have. That's not a large group if you're looking for a cross-section of opinions. Anyway, at this price point, there shouldn't be any junkers so it really is strictly a matter preference. A cheaper rod is going to fish just as well, so when going for the mortgage breaker, buy the one that tugs at your heartstrings the most. There's more to these rod purchases than performance, so if you buy the one in second place in the heartstring race because a couple of people recommended it, you'll probably never been fully satisfied with it. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
HJS wrote: wayne, that's an awfully nice anniversary present. can't help but wonder how it is that your wife knew to get you a boron IIX. it's not the easiest hint to drop. incidently, It was totally unexpected. She was with me when I had bid pretty hard on one at a conservation auction before backing down and letting someone else spend their money. She kept the auction list and visited the local Winston dealer figuring I wanted one. We celebrated 26 years this past Thursday, not sure what she sees in me but I think she's a keeper. i was thrilled to pieces when my wife pulled out a diamondglass 3 wt last week for christmas -- except for the fact that i already have the ds2 3 wt that she and my local fly shop didn't happen to know about. so i sent it back for a 5 wt reel (i'm kinda regretting letting go of that rod which was really really sweet). Grasshopper, we need to talk. The DS2 3 wt is a graphite rod whereas the Diamondglass was fiberglass. Furthermore one was probably a different length. If you are a trout fisherman you can never have too many three, four and five weights. Going forward the appropriate response is to keep the rod but politely mention she forgot the reel. and now i'm dreaming of the rod. one thing i do know about the winston: the grip seems slender. i like the beefier grip on the sage rods. any ideas whether winston would make one up with a fatter grip if i end up liking the cast of that rod? Winston offers some customization. I own 11 Winston rods but 5 of them were custom made by a guy in St. Louis on IM6 and BL5 blanks with fatter grips but Winston customized two others for me with beefier grip and a different wood spacer. I think you will like BIIx, but I also like the SLT and the XP from Sage. Sooner or later there's no reason to think you can't own one or more of each. grin |
HJS wrote: wayne, that's an awfully nice anniversary present. can't help but wonder how it is that your wife knew to get you a boron IIX. it's not the easiest hint to drop. incidently, It was totally unexpected. She was with me when I had bid pretty hard on one at a conservation auction before backing down and letting someone else spend their money. She kept the auction list and visited the local Winston dealer figuring I wanted one. We celebrated 26 years this past Thursday, not sure what she sees in me but I think she's a keeper. i was thrilled to pieces when my wife pulled out a diamondglass 3 wt last week for christmas -- except for the fact that i already have the ds2 3 wt that she and my local fly shop didn't happen to know about. so i sent it back for a 5 wt reel (i'm kinda regretting letting go of that rod which was really really sweet). Grasshopper, we need to talk. The DS2 3 wt is a graphite rod whereas the Diamondglass was fiberglass. Furthermore one was probably a different length. If you are a trout fisherman you can never have too many three, four and five weights. Going forward the appropriate response is to keep the rod but politely mention she forgot the reel. and now i'm dreaming of the rod. one thing i do know about the winston: the grip seems slender. i like the beefier grip on the sage rods. any ideas whether winston would make one up with a fatter grip if i end up liking the cast of that rod? Winston offers some customization. I own 11 Winston rods but 5 of them were custom made by a guy in St. Louis on IM6 and BL5 blanks with fatter grips but Winston customized two others for me with beefier grip and a different wood spacer. I think you will like BIIx, but I also like the SLT and the XP from Sage. Sooner or later there's no reason to think you can't own one or more of each. grin |
HJS wrote: wayne, that's an awfully nice anniversary present. can't help but wonder how it is that your wife knew to get you a boron IIX. it's not the easiest hint to drop. incidently, It was totally unexpected. She was with me when I had bid pretty hard on one at a conservation auction before backing down and letting someone else spend their money. She kept the auction list and visited the local Winston dealer figuring I wanted one. We celebrated 26 years this past Thursday, not sure what she sees in me but I think she's a keeper. i was thrilled to pieces when my wife pulled out a diamondglass 3 wt last week for christmas -- except for the fact that i already have the ds2 3 wt that she and my local fly shop didn't happen to know about. so i sent it back for a 5 wt reel (i'm kinda regretting letting go of that rod which was really really sweet). Grasshopper, we need to talk. The DS2 3 wt is a graphite rod whereas the Diamondglass was fiberglass. Furthermore one was probably a different length. If you are a trout fisherman you can never have too many three, four and five weights. Going forward the appropriate response is to keep the rod but politely mention she forgot the reel. and now i'm dreaming of the rod. one thing i do know about the winston: the grip seems slender. i like the beefier grip on the sage rods. any ideas whether winston would make one up with a fatter grip if i end up liking the cast of that rod? Winston offers some customization. I own 11 Winston rods but 5 of them were custom made by a guy in St. Louis on IM6 and BL5 blanks with fatter grips but Winston customized two others for me with beefier grip and a different wood spacer. I think you will like BIIx, but I also like the SLT and the XP from Sage. Sooner or later there's no reason to think you can't own one or more of each. grin |
On 2 Jan 2005 19:28:18 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? I've had a 9' 4wt 4pc Boron-IIX for about 6 months. Although it is lighter in the hand, its action is virtually interchangeable with my 9' 5wt 2pc Winston IM6 classic (sold these days under their "WT" series) when using the same 5wt Cortland 444SL DT line on both. The WT/classics are considered medium to medium-fast, the IIX fast. I guess I'd go along with that... /daytripper |
On 2 Jan 2005 19:28:18 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
so after fishing a tfo 6 wt. and a sage ds2 3 weight for quite a while, i finally wanted to step up to a great 5 wt. i've fished a friend's slt and loved it (subtle but backbone, yada yada). so i called the flyshop and they said to try the winston boron IIX vs. the sage. i'm going into the flyshop sometime this week and hope to do that, but isn't the boron IIX supposed to be a fast action rod? is winston just giving this salesman a bigger commission or something? anyone ever looked at a boron vs. the slt? I've had a 9' 4wt 4pc Boron-IIX for about 6 months. Although it is lighter in the hand, its action is virtually interchangeable with my 9' 5wt 2pc Winston IM6 classic (sold these days under their "WT" series) when using the same 5wt Cortland 444SL DT line on both. The WT/classics are considered medium to medium-fast, the IIX fast. I guess I'd go along with that... /daytripper |
thanks much for this but i'm not sure i follow: the action of the IIX
is interchangeable with the IM6/'WT but you'd go along with their classification of the rods as fast and medium-fast respectively? thanks, js |
thanks much for this but i'm not sure i follow: the action of the IIX
is interchangeable with the IM6/'WT but you'd go along with their classification of the rods as fast and medium-fast respectively? thanks, js |
On 3 Jan 2005 09:16:55 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
thanks much for this but i'm not sure i follow: the action of the IIX is interchangeable with the IM6/'WT but you'd go along with their classification of the rods as fast and medium-fast respectively? thanks, js Look closer: the *4* weight Boron-IIX casts a *5* weight double-taper line with the same feel as the *5* weight IM6. The over-lined IIX performance leads me to believe the IIX rods are indeed "faster" than the IM6 rods, if only incrementally... /daytripper |
On 3 Jan 2005 09:16:55 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
thanks much for this but i'm not sure i follow: the action of the IIX is interchangeable with the IM6/'WT but you'd go along with their classification of the rods as fast and medium-fast respectively? thanks, js Look closer: the *4* weight Boron-IIX casts a *5* weight double-taper line with the same feel as the *5* weight IM6. The over-lined IIX performance leads me to believe the IIX rods are indeed "faster" than the IM6 rods, if only incrementally... /daytripper |
ah, i see. thanks for that. my reading comprehension bites.
so i called winston this afternoon and after getting the sense that the person who answers the phone just might be the person who also happens to design a line of their rods, i asked them what it would take to put a fatter grip on the boron IIX? they said $50 and six weeks. fair enough, i thought. then i said, why the hell did you put such an anemic grip on such a pretty rod? and the answer, relayed to the receptionist/rod designer from the IIX rod designer was that the grip as specified balances perfectly with the rod. hard to argue with the prissy artistic license of a designer but i have this theory (a word, by the way, that triggers an autonomic eye-roll in my wife): smaller grips are more fatiguing. in other words, it takes more of an effort to squeeze a smaller grip than to hold a fatter grip, which better fills out the hand when it's in a more natural resting position. of course, i can't prove this but i get the feeling that's why the sage grips seem more comfortable. anyway, thank you gents for your good help. obliged. and if you ever fish upstate ny/western mass, give a holler. |
On 3 Jan 2005 16:51:52 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
ah, i see. thanks for that. my reading comprehension bites. so i called winston this afternoon and after getting the sense that the person who answers the phone just might be the person who also happens to design a line of their rods, i asked them what it would take to put a fatter grip on the boron IIX? they said $50 and six weeks. fair enough, i thought. then i said, why the hell did you put such an anemic grip on such a pretty rod? and the answer, relayed to the receptionist/rod designer from the IIX rod designer was that the grip as specified balances perfectly with the rod. hard to argue with the prissy artistic license of a designer but i have this theory (a word, by the way, that triggers an autonomic eye-roll in my wife): smaller grips are more fatiguing. in other words, it takes more of an effort to squeeze a smaller grip than to hold a fatter grip, which better fills out the hand when it's in a more natural resting position. of course, i can't prove this but i get the feeling that's why the sage grips seem more comfortable. I have fairly large hands - tip of right thumb to tip of right pinky is a solid 10.5" spread. I've found this is very important with respect to tennis rackets and baseball bats, not important at all with rods. I also have a fair collection of rods from a number of builders, with all kinds of grips. I don't think I've ever felt any particular grip was problematic wrt diameter. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe there's a fundamental difference in how we each grip a rod? anyway, thank you gents for your good help. obliged. and if you ever fish upstate ny/western mass, give a holler. Cheers! Stranger things have been known to happen! /daytripper (Why just this past summer, at "The Secret Spot"... ;-) |
On 3 Jan 2005 16:51:52 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
ah, i see. thanks for that. my reading comprehension bites. so i called winston this afternoon and after getting the sense that the person who answers the phone just might be the person who also happens to design a line of their rods, i asked them what it would take to put a fatter grip on the boron IIX? they said $50 and six weeks. fair enough, i thought. then i said, why the hell did you put such an anemic grip on such a pretty rod? and the answer, relayed to the receptionist/rod designer from the IIX rod designer was that the grip as specified balances perfectly with the rod. hard to argue with the prissy artistic license of a designer but i have this theory (a word, by the way, that triggers an autonomic eye-roll in my wife): smaller grips are more fatiguing. in other words, it takes more of an effort to squeeze a smaller grip than to hold a fatter grip, which better fills out the hand when it's in a more natural resting position. of course, i can't prove this but i get the feeling that's why the sage grips seem more comfortable. I have fairly large hands - tip of right thumb to tip of right pinky is a solid 10.5" spread. I've found this is very important with respect to tennis rackets and baseball bats, not important at all with rods. I also have a fair collection of rods from a number of builders, with all kinds of grips. I don't think I've ever felt any particular grip was problematic wrt diameter. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe there's a fundamental difference in how we each grip a rod? anyway, thank you gents for your good help. obliged. and if you ever fish upstate ny/western mass, give a holler. Cheers! Stranger things have been known to happen! /daytripper (Why just this past summer, at "The Secret Spot"... ;-) |
well that pretty much blows my theory, doesn't it.
i have no choice now but to measure my thumb and pinky tips, the second least dignified measurement i've ever taken. |
well that pretty much blows my theory, doesn't it.
i have no choice now but to measure my thumb and pinky tips, the second least dignified measurement i've ever taken. |
On 3 Jan 2005 18:18:57 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
well that pretty much blows my theory, doesn't it. i have no choice now but to measure my thumb and pinky tips, the second least dignified measurement i've ever taken. I hope the other didn't involve a priest... ;-) |
On 3 Jan 2005 18:18:57 -0800, "HJS" wrote:
well that pretty much blows my theory, doesn't it. i have no choice now but to measure my thumb and pinky tips, the second least dignified measurement i've ever taken. I hope the other didn't involve a priest... ;-) |
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