Prodigal son
 

A bait boat is a R/C boat that will deposit bait, terminal tackle, particles
etc exactly where you want it. However, you can always spod, catapult or
row yourself.

There is a myriad of new stuff esp for carp but you need not be ripped off.

Stalk, pre-bait and do your homework. You will reap huge rewards and not a
huge overdraft. Yeah, these work but so still do more traditional methods.

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Baal

I smile and go off waving
(Amiably) - for that's my way

http://www.helden.co.uk

"Terence Lynock (MSW)" wrote in message
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Just returning to course fishing after a ten year lay off and have an
aweful lot to catch up on, replacing otdated tackle and so on comes
first but also a lot of methods have been developed since I last took
notice, seems like since the course fishing scene was forced to clean up
its act with more emphasis on conservation and management the
improvements are bearing fruit with some massive fish coming out of
lakes and rivers alike especially Carp, on thing I want to ask is I keep
seeing references to a bait boat, so what is it and why are they so
damned expensive?,

best regards,
Terry L.

"Terence Lynock (MSW)" wrote in message =
...
on thing I want to ask is I keep
seeing references to a bait boat, so what is it and why are they so
damned expensive?,

A bait boat is a radio-controlled boat. You load it up with bait then =
guide it to your chosen spot. On receiving a signal from you, the boat =
dumps its load of bait. Then you steer it back for the next load (if =
needed). They are useful for putting bait precisely where you want it, =
particularly if you are fishing at distance.
Welcome back to fishing. It's baffling going round a tackle shop after =
a 10 year break isn't it?

"Terence Lynock (MSW)" wrote in message =
...
on thing I want to ask is I keep
seeing references to a bait boat, so what is it and why are they so
damned expensive?,

A bait boat is a radio-controlled boat. You load it up with bait then =
guide it to your chosen spot. On receiving a signal from you, the boat =
dumps its load of bait. Then you steer it back for the next load (if =
needed). They are useful for putting bait precisely where you want it, =
particularly if you are fishing at distance.
Welcome back to fishing. It's baffling going round a tackle shop after =
a 10 year break isn't it?

In article , Terence Lynock
wrote:

Just returning to course fishing after a ten year lay off and have an
aweful lot to catch up on, replacing otdated tackle and so on comes
first but also a lot of methods have been developed since I last took

Welcome back. Don't worry about it. The fish haven't changed and all the
old methods work just as well as they ever did.

Carry on exactly where you left off with the same old tackle (better replace
the line) and regain the feel.

improvements are bearing fruit with some massive fish coming out of
lakes and rivers alike especially Carp, on thing I want to ask is I keep

You've hit on a one of the more contentious areas. Quite a few of those
monsters are (usually illegal) imports and many of the others have grown on
only because huge quantities of highly nutritious baits have been dumped in
the waters concerned. These are polluting and accellerate eutropification.
Many of these waters are designed to appeal to either novices or those
anglers who have never really mastered the art and so want a short
(expensive) cut to a chance of a big 'un. Eschew.

seeing references to a bait boat, so what is it and why are they so
damned expensive?,

99.9% of the time they are unneccessary. Some of the anglers mentioned
above have never grasped the fact that fish can hear. They bang around so
much that nothing will feed under their own bank and so the only remaining
option is to fish at such extreme range that a radio controlled boat is the
only way to get bait out there. Travel light, creep round and fish directly
under the bank. If you need to ask what it is you don't need one.

They are expensive because they are designed to catch anglers rather than
fish. I imagine most of the cost is the manufacturer's logo on the side.

Stick with the angling you already know. After a few sessions you will
begin to identify/remember limitations in your kit/technique. Only when
you have identified the limitation(s) do you need to go looking for a
solution.

Cheerio,

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Terence,

Great question and so nice to see this forum filled with angling and not
hunting.

I see you got a reply from the real Derek, he is a wise and traditional
fisherman. I have caught much following his advice (other than the
'flu...lol!).

Happy New Year and thanks for your continued contribution Mr Moody :-)

--

Baal

I smile and go off waving
(Amiably) - for that's my way

http://www.helden.co.uk

"Terence Lynock (CSD)" wrote in message
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from "Derek.Moody" contains these words:

In article , Terence Lynock
wrote:

You've hit on a one of the more contentious areas. Quite a few of those
monsters are (usually illegal) imports and many of the others have grown
on
only because huge quantities of highly nutritious baits have been dumped
in
the waters concerned. These are polluting and accellerate
eutropification.

excellent point and I well remember fishing the park pools in Birmingham
in the 60's when in summer parts of the shallows stunk of rotting
groundbait which wrongly mixed would lay on the bottom in big blobs like
dough and very slowly disolve, to me it seems counter-productive to bomb
in big amounts of feed as I have always looked on it as the most likely
fish you will catch is a hungry one and overfeeding just lessens your
chances.

Many of these waters are designed to appeal to either novices or those
anglers who have never really mastered the art and so want a short
(expensive) cut to a chance of a big 'un. Eschew.

Funny really as I see tihs attitude quite often and no more so than in
model making, Americans in particular want the best fastest so pay
enourmous sums for large ornate kits then more money for 'how to do it'
books and so on rather than have the patience to sit their butt down and
study the subject, if life is a series of short cuts to the end result
you learn nothing, take the slow and methodical approach and learn not
just how but why and you wont forget it.

Travel light, creep round and fish directly
under the bank. If you need to ask what it is you don't need one.

In the parks it didnt matter because the fish were all bullet proof to
it but down on the river or out of town pools it was totally different,
we used to set up back in the field and make one quiet trip to deliver
our tackle then the second trip was with rod and so on, we even carried
gallons of water to mix groundbait so we didnt have to disurb the water
and it paid off.

They are expensive because they are designed to catch anglers rather than
fish. I imagine most of the cost is the manufacturer's logo on the side.

They dont look very solid to be honest just a couple of plastic moldings
and some electronics, you could turn them out quite easily with a
vac-forming machine to do the hull and top panel and electronics would
cost around 50 quid depending on what you want it to do, one boat with
two 4-channel systems would do everything you wanted it to and probably
brew the tea at the same time.

Stick with the angling you already know. After a few sessions you will
begin to identify/remember limitations in your kit/technique. Only when
you have identified the limitation(s) do you need to go looking for a
solution.

Wont go changing much apart from if something seems like a good idea or
an improvement on what I know then fine, already bought all the line I
need to replace the stuff on my reels and also stripped and cleaned then
regreased all of those in the process, I will spend the next three
months or so just cleaning and overhauling ready for June or thereabouts
when I can join you gentlemen back on the banks and get some fresh air
for a change, by the way what the hell is a helicopter rig for? seen
some strange stuff but that looks dangerous,

regards, Terry
L.

In message , Derek.Moody
writes
In article , Terence Lynock
wrote:

Just returning to course fishing after a ten year lay off and have an
aweful lot to catch up on, replacing otdated tackle and so on comes
first but also a lot of methods have been developed since I last took

Welcome back. Don't worry about it. The fish haven't changed and all the
old methods work just as well as they ever did.

Indeed.

Favourite Xmas gift this year; "Falling In Again" by Chris Yates, who
I'm sure would agree entirely.

--
Steve Walker

In message , Terence Lynock
writes
The message
from "Izaak" contains these words:

A bait boat is a radio-controlled boat. You load it up with bait then
guide it to your chosen spot. On receiving a signal from you, the
boat dumps its load of bait. Then you steer it back for the next load
(if needed). They are useful for putting bait precisely where you
want it, particularly if you are fishing at distance.
Welcome back to fishing. It's baffling going round a tackle shop
after a 10 year break isn't it?


Very true, when I look at what new tackle like rods and reels cost now
to be honest there isnt much difference to 12 years ago when I paid 35
quid for a Daiwa Moonraker 11 foot beachcaster to take on holiday

Very true. A mate of mine wants me to teach him to fish, so I bought him
a beachcaster & reel for his birthday. And, obviously, one should teach
by example, so I bought myself one too... Rod: £20, reel, £15. The rods
are 12ft and fibreglass rather than carbon. The reel is a big, simple
fixed spool with the sort of long coned spool and oscillating line
laying mechanism you only saw on top-end reels a few years ago. They're
both perfectly serviceable. I gave him a casting lesson over grass, and
he was getting 80 yards with an overhead thump. The rod will do 120
yards with an off-the-ground cast, which is quite adequate most of the
time. 20 quid. Unbelievable.


--
Steve Walker

In message , Terence Lynock
writes
The message
from "Baal" contains these words:

Terence,
Great question and so nice to see this forum filled with angling and not
hunting.
I see you got a reply from the real Derek, he is a wise and traditional
fisherman. I have caught much following his advice (other than the
'flu...lol!).
Happy New Year and thanks for your continued contribution Mr Moody :-)
--
Baal

Its good to get to know other anglers and catch up on what has been
happening such as what happened to the NRA? dont seem to see it
mentioned much

Absorbed into the Environment Agency.

, also some of the very strange gizmo's that have been
invented since I last took notice, why is everything carp-orientated? it
isnt a fleecy winter suit any more its a carp suit, it isnt a large
capacity reel anymore its a carp reel, everything seems to have 'Carp'
tacked on the end of it.
Problem with Carp is they become boring or at least thats what I found
back in the 60's and 70's, much prefer a good sized Tench or one of the
big Barbel down on the River Severn

Agree entirely. I'm always disappointed when I think I've hit a really
big tench, and it turns out to be a mediocre carp.

, I live about 20 minutes walk from
Ironbridge so will definitely be renewing my aquantance with them this
summer,

My uncle used to have a house with a private swim on the Severn at
Coalbrookdale. You know the island in the river opposite the pub (The
Robin Hood, I think)? There. I spent many happy Summers fishing there as
a kid.

--
Steve Walker

In article , Baal
wrote:

I see you got a reply from the real Derek, he is a wise and traditional
fisherman. I have caught much following his advice (other than the
'flu...lol!).

Happy New Year and thanks for your continued contribution Mr Moody :-)

'ang on. I had a new fishin' hat for Christmas and it's only just big
enough as it is...

Cheerio,

--

In article , Terence Lynock
wrote:

regreased all of those in the process, I will spend the next three
months or so just cleaning and overhauling ready for June or thereabouts

Some of the best river fishing is in the last six weeks of the season...

for a change, by the way what the hell is a helicopter rig for? seen
some strange stuff but that looks dangerous,

g AIui it's an answer to a problem generated by over reliance on technology. I've never used/needed one but (if I'm thinking of the right rig):

IF you insist on using an alarm{
You need a lead for easy setup
IF the bottom is soft{
the lead will be buried
so use a rig that keeps the line out of trouble
}
} else #no alarm {
You don't need a lead
The line doesn't get into trouble
You stay awake,
hold the rod,
disturb the fish less,
catch more and have more fun.
}

To repeat something from upthread: For the first year at least, if you
don't know what it is you don't need it (yet, maybe never) so forget about
it.

Cheerio,

--

In message , Terence Lynock
writes
The message
from Steve Walker contains these words:

My uncle used to have a house with a private swim on the Severn at
Coalbrookdale. You know the island in the river opposite the pub (The
Robin Hood, I think)? There. I spent many happy Summers fishing there as
a kid.

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Steve Walker

Hi Steve,
if it is the Robin Hood pub right by the Free Bridge

That's the redesigned bridge with the spheres-on-poles thing, yes?

it
is downriver by about a mile and a half from Coalbrookdale, not sure if
that bit of river is Jackfield territory or comes under Ironbridge, if
it is above the Free Bridge it may well be within the environs of
Ironbridge.

I think the address was Jackfield, actually.

A little further down through Jackfield rapids which has a very lumpy
and stoney bottom was a free stretch and i used to fish for Barbel
there, with water at the right level there were some nice holes to drop
into for the odd fish to around 4 lb or so, above Ironbridge up to
Buildwas is slow and deep with the outlet from the power station on the
opposite bank, there used to be some nice river carp in those warmer
waters, very different to get a hook into than the lake carp which were
a bit like reeling in a bag of spuds,

I bet! I used to like fishing a wire stemmed avon or stick down the fast
water on the inside for chub and dace, or fishing feeder or meat for
barbel in the fast water on the edge of the island slack. Unfortunately,
my relatives moved to Church Stretton some years ago. They rented the
house by the river out for some time, and eventually sold it. If I'd
known they were selling it, I'd have bought it and commuted to
Wiltshire! What's worse is that I now work from home anyway, although
how much work I'd get done with the Severn at the bottom of my garden is
another question....

--
Steve Walker

In message , Terence Lynock
writes
The message
from Steve Walker contains these words:

My uncle used to have a house with a private swim on the Severn at
Coalbrookdale. You know the island in the river opposite the pub (The
Robin Hood, I think)? There. I spent many happy Summers fishing there as
a kid.

--
Steve Walker

Hi Steve,
if it is the Robin Hood pub right by the Free Bridge

That's the redesigned bridge with the spheres-on-poles thing, yes?

it
is downriver by about a mile and a half from Coalbrookdale, not sure if
that bit of river is Jackfield territory or comes under Ironbridge, if
it is above the Free Bridge it may well be within the environs of
Ironbridge.

I think the address was Jackfield, actually.

A little further down through Jackfield rapids which has a very lumpy
and stoney bottom was a free stretch and i used to fish for Barbel
there, with water at the right level there were some nice holes to drop
into for the odd fish to around 4 lb or so, above Ironbridge up to
Buildwas is slow and deep with the outlet from the power station on the
opposite bank, there used to be some nice river carp in those warmer
waters, very different to get a hook into than the lake carp which were
a bit like reeling in a bag of spuds,

I bet! I used to like fishing a wire stemmed avon or stick down the fast
water on the inside for chub and dace, or fishing feeder or meat for
barbel in the fast water on the edge of the island slack. Unfortunately,
my relatives moved to Church Stretton some years ago. They rented the
house by the river out for some time, and eventually sold it. If I'd
known they were selling it, I'd have bought it and commuted to
Wiltshire! What's worse is that I now work from home anyway, although
how much work I'd get done with the Severn at the bottom of my garden is
another question....

--
Steve Walker