Duncan or uni knot
 

I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?


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Hike High Mountains
Fish for Wild Trout

Mark F. wrote:
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on
with?

I'm sure no one else has an opinion G, but I prefer the clinch knot.
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TL,
Tim
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Mark I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA
Mark uni knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a
Mark fly on with?

"Better" is a dangerous word to use, but let me just say that after
experimenting with *lots* of different knots, I have chosen to use the
uni knot.

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Mark F. wrote:

I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?

As a loop knot it slips.

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Jarmo Hurri wrote in
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Mark I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA
Mark uni knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a
Mark fly on with?

"Better" is a dangerous word to use, but let me just say that after
experimenting with *lots* of different knots, I have chosen to use the
uni knot.


....I coulda swore the Duncan and Uni knot are one and the same??

Frank Sr
...confused in Cornfield Co.

Frank Church wrote:

...I coulda swore the Duncan and Uni knot are one and the same??

I believe that the "Duncan Loop" usually refers to the "loop" version
(not surprisingly), while the "Uni Knot" usually refers to the "clinch"
version.

They're the same knot topologically, but different in application.

The Uni Knot seems too me like a needless, harder-to-tie variation on a
clinch knot or improved clinch knot. It's not particularly strong
according to at least one authoritative source. I also can't tie it
without wasting tippet, but maybe that's just me. :-)

BTW, wasting tippet on a terminal knot is a big deal to me -- not
because I really care much about the tippet, but because I want be able
to change several flies before tying another tippet on.

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rw wrote:
Frank Church wrote:

...I coulda swore the Duncan and Uni knot are one and the same??

I believe that the "Duncan Loop" usually refers to the "loop" version
(not surprisingly), while the "Uni Knot" usually refers to the
"clinch" version.

They're the same knot topologically, but different in application.

The Uni Knot seems too me like a needless, harder-to-tie variation on
a clinch knot or improved clinch knot. It's not particularly strong
according to at least one authoritative source. I also can't tie it
without wasting tippet, but maybe that's just me. :-)

BTW, wasting tippet on a terminal knot is a big deal to me -- not
because I really care much about the tippet, but because I want be
able to change several flies before tying another tippet on.

That's one of the main reasons I like the clinch, not to mention it is
strong enough. About the only tippet wasted is the amount in the knot
itself and a little bit at the tag.
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TL,
Tim
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"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Mark F. wrote:
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on
with?

I'm sure no one else has an opinion G, but I prefer the clinch knot.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor to
terminal.

yfitons
wayno

this knot is actually a slip knot. I believe that it tests better than the
clinch knot and improved clinch knot. It is very similar to the Orvis knot
which I believe is easier to tie, and just as strong. However, the Orvis
knot opens up a lot easier, so I do not use it when tying on a dropper rig
to the shank of a barbless hook. In that case i use the Uni knot.
a double uni knot can be used to join two pieces of line together. It is
one of the best knots for that application


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Mark I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA
Mark uni knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a
Mark fly on with?

"Better" is a dangerous word to use, but let me just say that after
experimenting with *lots* of different knots, I have chosen to use
the uni knot.

Frank ...I coulda swore the Duncan and Uni knot are one and the same??

Ïsn't that what it says in the opening post? Man, you _are_ confused.

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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Mark F. wrote:
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on
with?

I'm sure no one else has an opinion G, but I prefer the clinch
knot. --
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.

Somehow I just *knew* this was coming. :) I suppose you use that same
knot for your shoes, too.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Mark wrote:I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?


I have used this knot a few times, but after flyfishing for over five decades
now, I still have enough trouble tying an improved clinch knot correctly.

Big Dale

Jarmo Hurri wrote in
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Jarmo Hurried in to slap me across the chops with this:


Ïsn't that what it says in the opening post? Man, you _are_ confused.


....thanks Jarmo, I needed that. :)

Frank Sr
...who is no longer confused in Cornfield Co.

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:46:17 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Mark F. wrote:
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on
with?

I'm sure no one else has an opinion G, but I prefer the clinch
knot. --
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.

Somehow I just *knew* this was coming. :) I suppose you use that same
knot for your shoes, too.

Why would he knot Velcro?

HTH,
R

Tim J. wrote:
Wayne Harrison wrote:

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.


Somehow I just *knew* this was coming. :) I suppose you use that same
knot for your shoes, too.

Which is better for the leader/tippet connection -- clinch or improved
clinch?

:-)


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"rw" wrote

Which is better for the leader/tippet connection -- clinch or improved
clinch?

improved, without a doubt.

wayno

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote


Which is better for the leader/tippet connection -- clinch or improved
clinch?


improved, without a doubt.

I assume you're doubling up on those, tying a clinch knot (improved or
otherwise) to another clinch knot?

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i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.

If you use a uni-knot on the arbor, you can get it to lay flat with the
main end of the backing line tangential to the reel arbor.

Mu

"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
td.umich.edu...

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.

If you use a uni-knot on the arbor, you can get it to lay flat with the
main end of the backing line tangential to the reel arbor.

Mu

only rarely do i find myself concerned about the possibility of a 12"
rainbow taking me to the backing...

:)

yfitons
wayno

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote


Which is better for the leader/tippet connection -- clinch or improved
clinch?


improved, without a doubt.

I assume you're doubling up on those, tying a clinch knot (improved or
otherwise) to another clinch knot?


exactly.

wayno

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
m...

Wayne Harrison wrote:

"rw" wrote



Which is better for the leader/tippet connection -- clinch or improved
clinch?


improved, without a doubt.

I assume you're doubling up on those, tying a clinch knot (improved or
otherwise) to another clinch knot?



exactly.

amazing.

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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:55:42 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
. itd.umich.edu...

i use the clinch or improved clinch for every connection, arbor
to terminal.

If you use a uni-knot on the arbor, you can get it to lay flat with the
main end of the backing line tangential to the reel arbor.

Mu

only rarely do i find myself concerned about the possibility of a 12"
rainbow taking me to the backing...

Yeah, but on those rare occasions, are you tangential? There are few
folks here I take literally, but if Mu says tangential, brother, I'm
gonna be tangential as all get out...Mu,. how much JW Blue does it take
to get tangential? I've got about a case and a half, but if I need
more, let me know...just PING me...

HTH,
R

Thanks for ALL the info I'll stay with the cinch knot.




"Mark F." wrote in message
news:PzLLd.4639$B64.242@trnddc07...
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?


--
Hike High Mountains
Fish for Wild Trout

I have used a uni knot for everything from snelling hooks, attaching
decoy line to decoys and anchors to tying leaders to fly line and
construction of tapered leaders. It is really not that hard to tie,
and if lubricated when pulled tight, remains very strong. A great all
around knot!!
On 01 Feb 2005 20:58:30 GMT, ospam (Big Dale) wrote:

Mark wrote:I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?


I have used this knot a few times, but after flyfishing for over five decades
now, I still have enough trouble tying an improved clinch knot correctly.

Big Dale

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 wrote:

Yeah, but on those rare occasions, are you tangential?

It's a matter of style. Not really important for dacron backing. It does
make a difference for monofilament on spinning reels. As the line is
unwinding from the spool, if the knot is sticking out radially from the
arbor, it tends to catch the loosening coils.

Mu

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 wrote:

Yeah, but on those rare occasions, are you tangential?

It's a matter of style. Not really important for dacron backing. It does
make a difference for monofilament on spinning reels. As the line is
unwinding from the spool, if the knot is sticking out radially from the
arbor, it tends to catch the loosening coils.

Mu

In article PzLLd.4639$B64.242@trnddc07, "Mark F."
wrote:

I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?

I like the non slip knot better. Supposedly close to a %100 knot as well

In article ,
ospam (Big Dale) wrote:

I have used this knot a few times, but after flyfishing for over five decades
now, I still have enough trouble tying an improved clinch knot correctly.

Big Dale

Have a fly shop show you the non slip knot. It is really easy to tie.
Also, have you thought of buying a knot tyer, like the tie fast combo
too? I saw an alternate to the tie fast combo tool at walmart that was
made in america and only cost $4.

In article ,
Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Mark I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA
Mark uni knot. Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a
Mark fly on with?

"Better" is a dangerous word to use, but let me just say that after
experimenting with *lots* of different knots, I have chosen to use the
uni knot.

Why do you like it better than the non slip mono knot?

Mark F. wrote:
I am read a book and the author in sold on the Duncan knot AKA uni
knot.
Any one have an opinion on is this is better to tie a fly on with?

The uni-knot is a fine knot but not much stronger than the improved
clinch and we all know the improved clinch so well that by now we can
tie it in the dark.

The palomar is stronger than either, but it's a tough knot to use with
flies because it consumes too much tippet material and often pinches
part of the fly into the knot. Whenever I tie on new tippet material,
I add a slightly long piece and then use a palomar on the first fly.
After that, it's improved clinch until the next tippet change.