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adg fly rods and reels??
Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail
$240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters (retail $329) They are all very good quality wise. I like the reels as much as I like my hardy lrh. What are people's opinion of them? While they are great products, the warranty's are very discouraging. My $200 plus reel's warranty card says : UNCONDITIONAL WARRANTY. If any part of the reel fails to perform for any reason, send it to us for repair with your address, receipt, and registration copy, and $9.50 for shipping and handling. Ok, you buy a $240 reel and they will fix it for ANY REASON for just $9.50. But wait, after you have had your product a while you find out they dont like just getting $9.50, so after the fact they are changing your unconditional warranty to charging you $69. This reel is as well built as my hardy, so I am not that concerned My $450(on sale)rod says it has a unconditional lifetime warranty, for $49 they will fix it or send you a new one. Apparently they are now changing it to $100. I have not confirmed that but I will almost certainly take it back if this is true. When one buys a rod that retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100 if anything happens is insane. Have any of the other companys changed the pricing of warranty AFTER THE FACT? Because ADG has no qualms about retroactively changing the warranty. Adg are AWESOME PRODUCTS. In my opinion their warranty is insane. You get the old bait and switch. You get a unconditional warranty with your $250 reel that they will fix it for $9.95 and they then change it on you to $70. Your $450 rod (retails for $900) they decide to change your warranty from $49 to $98. What are good rods in 8/9 weight that are titanium, and what is the warranty? Adg products are very good products, but their thinking they can change the costs of a warranty after the fact greatly sully the company |
adg fly rods and reels??
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, steve sullivan wrote:
When one buys a rod that retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100 if anything happens is insane. Buying a rod for $900 is insane (BTW I might be insane). The very idea of an unconditional warranty is insane (or more likely economically untenable). Paying $100 for the labor and material required to fix any high quality rod is reasonable. Mu |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:29:13 -0500, Mu Young Lee wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, steve sullivan wrote: When one buys a rod that retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100 if anything happens is insane. Buying a rod for $900 is insane (BTW I might be insane). The very idea of an unconditional warranty is insane (or more likely economically untenable). Paying $100 for the labor and material required to fix any high quality rod is reasonable. Mu I'm still struggling with the "titanium" fly rods... /daytripper (what's up with that?) |
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daytripper wrote:
I'm still struggling with the "titanium" fly rods... /daytripper (what's up with that?) As I understand it, they're titanium/graphite composites. It's probably about 90% hype, aimed at high-tech gears whore who need the latest and greatest (and most expensive) thing, but titanium composited with graphite has some excellent properties for fly rods, including lighter weight and/or greater strength (take your pick). The material has been used in tennis rackets and golf clubs for years, and it's increasingly being used in airplanes. I'm not going out to buy a titanium rod any time soon, but I'm willing to believe it might someday become the standard for high-end rods. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:00:33 GMT, rw wrote:
daytripper wrote: I'm still struggling with the "titanium" fly rods... /daytripper (what's up with that?) As I understand it, they're titanium/graphite composites. It's probably about 90% hype, aimed at high-tech gears whore who need the latest and greatest (and most expensive) thing, but titanium composited with graphite has some excellent properties for fly rods, including lighter weight and/or greater strength (take your pick). The material has been used in tennis rackets and golf clubs for years, and it's increasingly being used in airplanes. I'm not going out to buy a titanium rod any time soon, but I'm willing to believe it might someday become the standard for high-end rods. I assume it's *at least* 90% hype ;-) Does titanium offer any advantages over, say, boron, in a fly rod? |
adg fly rods and reels??
daytripper wrote:
Does titanium offer any advantages over, say, boron, in a fly rod? Yes. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
adg fly rods and reels??
"steve sullivan" wrote in message ... Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail $240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters (retail $329) Not to be contrary, but since you have bought 2 reels, one rod, and waders (not sure I want to be wading a big bruising river wearing weighters) obviously you liked them and said such. What does it matter what the rest of us think of them? and why should you care if we like them or not. Assuming you came by the money legally, and did not use the mortgage or grocery money to buy the stuff, your use of the stuff and what you paid for it are your own business. Warranties change from lots of companies. If one business model doesn't work and then you try something else or close. Personally, IMO, any "uncoditional" warranty involving anything more than a shipping charge is not an unconditional warranty. Regardless you can run your reel over with a truck and still get a new one for $9, $49, or $100. Seems to me you still come out a head. While it doesn' t mean anything, I've not heard of adg products except here. But allow me to give you your first economics lesson. If your retail $900 rod, sells for $450, then bubba your rod retails for $450. Wayne who can see a $900 rod, if made by a master like Tom Morgan or if the blank consist of Tonkin Cane. |
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Other rod and blank companies have used the titanium hype, They mix a little
titanium fairy dust in the resin and we're all supposed to beat a path to their door. The old sales adage still applies, if it's "Improved" the price just went up, if it's "New and Improved" it just doubled. |
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adg fly rods and reels??
Kevin Vang wrote:
In other words, you aren't just paying for the rod, you are also paying the premium on a lifetime insurance policy against breakage. It might be nice if the rod companies would itemize the costs, and give the buyer the option of not paying the insurance premium, or to pay a lower premium in return for applying a deductible on any damage claims. This may be what the makers of high-end rods will do (offer the warranty as a point-of-sale option), rather than drop the unconditional warranty altogether. How much would you be willing to pay for a SAGE SLT or a Winston LT with no warranty? JR |
adg fly rods and reels??
Who is "adg"? I have no idea?
Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas now. When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is "Hyundai". -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA www.kiene.com "steve sullivan" wrote in message ... Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail $240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters (retail $329) They are all very good quality wise. I like the reels as much as I like my hardy lrh. What are people's opinion of them? While they are great products, the warranty's are very discouraging. My $200 plus reel's warranty card says : UNCONDITIONAL WARRANTY. If any part of the reel fails to perform for any reason, send it to us for repair with your address, receipt, and registration copy, and $9.50 for shipping and handling. Ok, you buy a $240 reel and they will fix it for ANY REASON for just $9.50. But wait, after you have had your product a while you find out they dont like just getting $9.50, so after the fact they are changing your unconditional warranty to charging you $69. This reel is as well built as my hardy, so I am not that concerned My $450(on sale)rod says it has a unconditional lifetime warranty, for $49 they will fix it or send you a new one. Apparently they are now changing it to $100. I have not confirmed that but I will almost certainly take it back if this is true. When one buys a rod that retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100 if anything happens is insane. Have any of the other companys changed the pricing of warranty AFTER THE FACT? Because ADG has no qualms about retroactively changing the warranty. Adg are AWESOME PRODUCTS. In my opinion their warranty is insane. You get the old bait and switch. You get a unconditional warranty with your $250 reel that they will fix it for $9.95 and they then change it on you to $70. Your $450 rod (retails for $900) they decide to change your warranty from $49 to $98. What are good rods in 8/9 weight that are titanium, and what is the warranty? Adg products are very good products, but their thinking they can change the costs of a warranty after the fact greatly sully the company |
adg fly rods and reels??
In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote: Who is "adg"? I have no idea? Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas now. When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is "Hyundai". Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all the wader makers including simms. |
adg fly rods and reels??
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Kevin Vang wrote:
In other words, you aren't just paying for the rod, you are also paying the premium on a lifetime insurance policy against breakage. Yo, Professor V. Up your nose widda rubber hose Vinny Barbarino Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod. Mu |
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In article . umich.edu,
says... Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod. Just looking at the Kauffmans website (http://www.kman.com/rods.htm) as a typical example, the top end of price range for Sage, Winston, Powell, and Hardy rods is around $750. My guess is that the cost of the insurance, er, warranty, is fairly negligible. There is a segment of the market which is willing to cough up $700 bucks for a fly rod (and a fairly large segment, at that, apparently) and if offering an extravagant warranty is what it takes to get a share of that market, then that is what the rod companies will offer. Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment out there for you! Kevin Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face! |
adg fly rods and reels??
Bill Kiene wrote: Who is "adg"? I have no idea? bill, same thing i thought... too damn bad we didn't think of it. a brilliant marketing ploy of kpos,,,,,, 150 clams max, fly rods fer 400 smackers..... but gawdamn, ya saved 500 bucks... what a deal! my take is that sullivan is a shill.... or the biggest fool ever to wade these roffian waters... wally |
adg fly rods and reels??
steve sullivan wrote: In article , "Bill Kiene" wrote: Who is "adg"? I have no idea? Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas now. When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is "Hyundai". Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all the wader makers including simms. you are a fool. waldo |
adg fly rods and reels??
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:42:39 +0100, JR wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote: In other words, you aren't just paying for the rod, you are also paying the premium on a lifetime insurance policy against breakage. It might be nice if the rod companies would itemize the costs, and give the buyer the option of not paying the insurance premium, or to pay a lower premium in return for applying a deductible on any damage claims. This may be what the makers of high-end rods will do (offer the warranty as a point-of-sale option), rather than drop the unconditional warranty altogether. How much would you be willing to pay for a SAGE SLT or a Winston LT with no warranty? This is an excellent question and cuts to the bone. I'd go $300 tops without a warranty - and I have several rods that indeed were purchased over the years at that price point and without any automagic repair/replacement coverage. More than that and still without some form of coverage I'd first have to seriously inflict damage on myownself. /daytripper (can't have that. nope...) |
adg fly rods and reels??
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:06:21 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:
[snipped] Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment out there for you! Kevin Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face! "Reese Witherspoon"?? Kinky - in a "lets pretend you're only 15" sort of way. For that kind of money you could do WAY better, I'm sure. /daytripper (I'm thinking Gwen Stefani. Mmmmmm. ;-) |
adg fly rods and reels??
"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:05:32 GMT, ezflyfisher wrote: my take is that sullivan is a shill.... or the biggest fool ever to wade these roffian waters... Actually, I thought that his post was meant to be sarcasm. Doesn't necessarily preclude his being a fool and/or a shill......nor do any of his contributions here thus far, for that matter. Wolfgang |
adg fly rods and reels??
In article t,
ezflyfisher wrote: steve sullivan wrote: In article , "Bill Kiene" wrote: Who is "adg"? I have no idea? Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas now. When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is "Hyundai". Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all the wader makers including simms. you are a fool. I am not a fool. I may be ignorant, but I am not a fool. What am I ignorant about? |
adg fly rods and reels??
steve sullivan wrote: I am not a fool. I may be ignorant, but I am not a fool. What am I ignorant about? adg.... tape that simms covets? c'mom, you're hoodwinked. |
adg fly rods and reels??
And what can make you wonder is when you can get an outstanding, warantied,
top end blank, custom wrapped with the best components from a rod builder like Dan Craft for less than those rods, much less. And this is a presentation quality, can't find a fault even under magnification rod. Also these rods and blanks have had nothing but good press. And you get to pick exactly how you want to build it, or have it built. |
adg fly rods and reels??
"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message . itd.umich.edu... Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod. You are correct, the year that Sage, Winston, T&T and Scott switched to lifetime warranties, there was no "out of the ordinary" price increase (they had been raising prices every year before). Each handled it differently, sage retro'd many of their rods, Winston offered you a chance to buy a warranty on certain rods, T&T and Scott only applied it to rods purchased going forward. |
adg fly rods and reels??
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adg fly rods and reels??
Boron has never been uses in any rods in a very high percentage due to it
inherent problems, the biggest being that the fibers are many times larger than the fibers on a graphite sheet, this leaves more area betwwen the fibers for excess bonding resin that make the rods much more liable to fracture or delaminate between the fibers. Titanium is usually just added to the resin and benefits nothing. Quartz Matrix scrim and other innovations are in the works that look more promising. |
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