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Wolfgang February 14th, 2005 12:38 AM

Slow day on ROFF.......hm.......
 
O.k., so, last night Becky's brother (well, step-brother, anyway) Brad and
his wife Karen and their two boys Reese and Mason came over for our monthly
"let's get stupid in the kitchen!" night. This was a bit of a milestone;
it's been exactly (more or less) a year since we began what would become a
tradition when Brad came over on Superbowl Sunday to learn from your humble
narrator how to make pizzas.

See, Brad has acquired a love of cooking and, upon hearing that I had
unlocked most of the secrets of this arcane art some time ago, decided that
a lifetime of indentured servitude to the master was by no means too high a
price to pay in the expectation of someday achieving godhood. "What the
hell," sez I, "no skin off my ass."

Each month we decide on a theme for the next gathering. Becky and Karen
offer opinions but Reese and Mason don't get a vote......nothing wrong with
microwave mac and cheese, but an unvaried diet thereof is hard to reconcile
with the paramount notion of experimentation. Sometimes a decision is made
on the spot. Typically, the process involves a couple of phone calls spaced
over two or three weeks.

Thus far, we've done Mexican, Pasta, Grillfest, the aforementioned Pizza,
Indian, Soup, and a couple of other things I disremember at the moment.
Last night was......wait for it.......POTATOES! Yep, the lowly spud, that
magnificent tuber whose sudden absence on an island somewhere in the eastern
Atlantic some decades back ultimately resulted in the excruciatingly
repulsive tradition whereby millions of Americans subject themselves to the
ingestion of a green-dyed miserable excuse for beer each year at
approximately what is putatively (if also more than a bit ironically......at
least in some parts of the country) the official end of winter.

Brad (the timid neophyte) always has a recipe or two in mind before arrival,
and usually has a dish or two prepped in advance as well. This time (he's
growing!) he came sans prep......mise en garde ala carte, as it were.
Um......well, he DID bring a couple of Cornish game hens (so-called) and a
bottle of dark soy with which to bathe them......"just to get us over the
rough spots between courses". Not a bad idea.....they were awfully good
baked at 350 for an hour with frequent basting using the soy and some other
stuff that I was too busy to take note of. YT prefers to wing
it.......stocking up on likely ingredients and waiting for the muse to
strike.......as she did......with a vengeance.....more on this later.

O.k., anyway, while awaiting the arrival of the sous chef, the chef du hote
is struck by a bolt of inspiration even before the muse puts in an
appearance. "Why not," thinks I, "trot out the trusty mandolin (for which
some credulous fool paid upwards of $175 U.S. more than a year ago and for
which he had not yet discovered any legitimate use {but, hey, it's a
Bron.....genyuwhine FRENCH!.....how's THAT for 38 star cachet, huh,
Kennie?! :) }) and cut a couple o' them spuds real thin like and make
some tater chips (which he personally doesn't care for all that much anyway,
but what the hell.)?!" Any spud will do. Personally, I like small waxy
ones.......Yukon golds, yer basic reds, etc. Cut the potatoes very
thin.....about 1mm is perfect for a standard chip......thicker makes them a
bit crunchier. Consistency in the finished product is closely linked to
consistency in time, oil temperature, and thickness.....this is where the
mandolin comes in handy. Place the raw slices immediately into a bowl of
cold water and rinse thoroughly. Several changes of water are needed. Keep
replacing the water until no sign of cloudiness (suspended starch) remains.
Heat as much oil (I use the cheap store brand "vegetable" oil) as you can
afford and as will safely fit in a large heavy fryer (a cast iron Dutch oven
is ideal) until just about ready to smoke. While the oil is heating, blot
the potato slices thoroughly between a couple of towels. When the oil is
hot, start putting the potatoes in, spacing them about 15-20 seconds
apart......this allows you to take the first ones out when finished and
continually add fresh ones rather than trying to do them in batches which is
more difficult to coordinate and causes the oil temperature to fluctuate
wildly. As the chips come out of the fryer, place them on a wire rack and
immediately add salt, McCormick's Creole seasoning blend, hot sauce, or
other dressing of choice. I did this while Brad was getting the birds in
the oven. Everyone else claimed (presumably in deference to my easily
bruised feelings) that they were fabulous. I thought they tasted pretty
much like potato chips.

Brad, having gotten the hens safely into the oven and slathered with their
first coat of soy-whatever mix, proceeds to cut 1/8 inch slices of Yukon
golds on the mandolin (did I mention it's FRENCH, Kennie?) and places them
in a ten inch cast iron skillet with.....a touch of sea salt, freshly
cracked black pepper, and a couple tablespoons of ghee.....that's
it....that's all.....throws a lid on the pan and into the oven for 45
minutes.

The muse shows up. Well, actually, she'd whispered in my ear the day
before, but it was time to put her advice into action. "Why not," she had
said, "try some deep-fried mashed potatoes?" "Say wha'?" quoth I.

Hm......think about it..Scotch eggs. Hard boil an egg....wrap it in some
doughy, bready kinda stuff and deep fry. Sounds stupid, but it works. Why
not spuds? Hm......

So, I broach (which is not at all the same thing as broasting or poaching)
the idea to Brad. "Hm....." sez he.

Earlier in the day, at an Italian market not so very far from home, I'd
bought some hard salami, feta, scallions, and what they call "sweet-piquant"
peppers......red cherry peppers.....with a little bit of heat.....a bit
smaller than golf balls and pickled in sugar and vinegar. I coarsely
chopped about equal quantities of each. I then boiled a mix of several
varieties of potatoes (about one and a half pounds) cut into chunks.....with
the skins left on.....until fork tender. Drained the spuds and returned to
the pot with two thirds of a stick of butter, about a cup of sour cream and
eight or ten garlic toes cut into large chunks. Mashed them coarsely
(mashed potatoes without lumps are an abomination under any circumstances)
and set aside to cool while we drank wine, talked stupid and munched on all
the other stuff.

When the mashers had cooled sufficiently to handle, we flattened out a
portion in the palm of one hand, added a couple teaspoons of the stuffing
mixture, put some more spuds on top, and rolled them into balls about the
size of a medium lemon. As a test, we made a small (one inch or so) ball of
leftover spuds and dropped it into the hot oil. O.k. for the first thirty
second.....and then it started to come unglued......little bits of potato
sludge swirling around in hot oil. Hm...... :(

"Egg wash!", chants the sous chef. "And cornmeal!" responds the chef du
hote. Quickly......no time to waste......we beats a couple of eggs in a
bowl and fill another with corn meal. Potato balls are rolled first in the
egg and then in the meal, and plop! into the oil. Four minutes later, out
comes a golden brown orb of stunning visual appeal and, as it turns out less
than a minute later, extraordinary flavor. The cornmeal coating has turned
crisp, the egg wash has prevented any oil from penetrating the surface and
held the whole thing together. We got us a serious winner!

WHEW! What an adventure!

There was more, but I gotta go cool off.

Wolfgang
oh, and brad's baked sliced spuds were awesome too.
obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.



B J Conner February 14th, 2005 01:09 AM


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Clip Wolfgang and Brads excellent adventure

Hm......think about it..Scotch eggs. Hard boil an egg....wrap it in some
doughy, bready kinda stuff and deep fry. Sounds stupid, but it works.

Why
not spuds? Hm......


Scotch eggs are wrapped in sausage.
http://www.britainexpress.com/articl...cotch-eggs.htm

From a BBC artical
Jim Eadie, director of the ABPI Scotland, said: "Scotland has one of the
highest rates of heart disease in the developed world."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3719507.stm

Wolfgang
oh, and brad's baked sliced spuds were awesome too.
obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.





Wolfgang February 14th, 2005 01:12 AM


"B J Conner" wrote in message
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Scotch eggs are wrapped in sausage.


Yeah, that sounds right. I've only had them a couple of times.......and my
attention on those occasions was on the beer. :)

Wolfgang
they were pretty good, though.



bugcaster February 14th, 2005 07:08 AM


"B J Conner" wrote in message
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Scotch eggs are wrapped in sausage.
http://www.britainexpress.com/articl...cotch-eggs.htm


I've enjoyed an early lunch with the Scotch Eggs at MacTarnahan's Brewing
Co.
2730 NW 31st Ave. • Portland, OR

Good stuff, and I'm ignoring the health article.




Jeff Miller February 14th, 2005 12:21 PM

Wolfgang wrote:

snipped "salivation on sand mountain" :)

WHEW! What an adventure!


obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.



in stark contrast, i cooked something "aztec" ... but the port was tasty!

jeff




Joe McIntosh February 14th, 2005 01:06 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:qJ0Qd.55542$2p.41612@lakeread08...
Wolfgang wrote:

snipped "salivation on sand mountain" :)

WHEW! What an adventure!


obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.


in stark contrast, i cooked something "aztec" ... but the port was tasty!

jeff

Amazed Indian Joe says----gosh chicken little must have fallen - the
world must have turned around--JEFF MILLER talking about cooking on the
first warm day of early spring


High of 64 here yesterday---played tennis in am with young bucks then back
out in pm for three sets of mixed doubles, put my lommis together to
start practice casting before mixing with the stars at Penns--perhaps i
will dig out a couple of brim today
-




slenon February 14th, 2005 03:30 PM

While the tour was enjoyable, no mention of Irish potato history is complete
without a dish of Colcannon.

To your basic mashed potatoes, add shredded cabbage sauteed in butter with
chopped onion and scallion. Mix into warm hot mashed potatoes adding butter
and cream to taste. Kosher salt and white pepper will finish the dish.
Serve hot with corned beef brisket, more cabbage, and parsnips.

If you find that you have left-over colcannon, wrap portions about tennis
ball size in pie crust pastry, seal the edges, penetrate with a fork to vent
steam, brush with milk, and bake at 350 until golden brown. The results,
Dublin Potato Knishes. The pack well for an early morning breakfast on cold
water. Smoked trout or whitefish can be included for more protein and
flavor enhancement.
--
Stev Lenon



[email protected] February 14th, 2005 04:06 PM

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:30:09 GMT, "slenon"
wrote:

While the tour was enjoyable, no mention of Irish potato history is complete
without a dish of Colcannon.

To your basic mashed potatoes, add shredded cabbage sauteed in butter with
chopped onion and scallion. Mix into warm hot mashed potatoes adding butter
and cream to taste. Kosher salt and white pepper will finish the dish.
Serve hot with corned beef brisket, more cabbage, and parsnips.

If you find that you have left-over colcannon, wrap portions about tennis
ball size in pie crust pastry, seal the edges, penetrate with a fork to vent
steam, brush with milk, and bake at 350 until golden brown. The results,
Dublin Potato Knishes. The pack well for an early morning breakfast on cold
water. Smoked trout or whitefish can be included for more protein and
flavor enhancement.


Speaking of recipes, here's a famous (old) Mexican recipe for preparing
old, tough wild Russian boar.

Gut and skin one boar. In a 55-gallon drum, add 20 gallons Mezcal,
pulque, or Tequila, 1 gallon of Bufalo hot sauce, 5 pounds of chopped
jalapenos, a few large onions, 5 pounds each of sliced sour oranges and
limons, and a bunch of cilantro and (Mexican) oregano. Stuff the
carcass into the barrel and seal with beeswax. Bury the drum in the
ground and leave for a week. Dig up barrel and remove the carcass.
Throw it away and drink the liquid. Go to the hospital and wait/pray to
die.

Bon Appetit!
R


slenon February 14th, 2005 09:48 PM

Dig up barrel and remove the carcass.
Throw it away and drink the liquid. Go to the hospital and wait/pray to
die.
Bon Appetit!
R


Sounds very reminiscent of the old New England recipe for Coot Stew involing
a coot and a brick.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Wolfgang February 14th, 2005 11:16 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:qJ0Qd.55542$2p.41612@lakeread08...
Wolfgang wrote:

snipped "salivation on sand mountain" :)

WHEW! What an adventure!


obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.


in stark contrast, i cooked something "aztec" ... but the port was tasty!


Mmmmmmm.....long pork and port!

Wolfgang
who believes firmly in the (presumably macrobiotic) principle that things
that sound alike go well together. :)



Wolfgang February 14th, 2005 11:23 PM


"slenon" wrote in message
...
...If you find that you have left-over colcannon,


Inconthievable!

wrap portions about tennis ball size in pie crust pastry, seal the
edges, penetrate with a fork to vent steam, brush with milk, and bake at
350 until golden brown. The results, Dublin Potato Knishes.


Hey Jeffie! Does this sound familar?*

The pack well for an early morning breakfast on cold water. Smoked trout
or whitefish can be included for more protein and flavor enhancement.


Thanks.......will definitely give it a try.

Wolfgang
who, as long as he gets to cook it himself (after a careful perusal of the
MSDS), will gratefully accept ANY recipe.......regardless of source.
:)
*what......no olives? :(




Jeff Miller February 15th, 2005 12:44 AM

Joe McIntosh wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:qJ0Qd.55542$2p.41612@lakeread08...

Wolfgang wrote:

snipped "salivation on sand mountain" :)

WHEW! What an adventure!


obroff......you could put fish in the mashed potato balls.


in stark contrast, i cooked something "aztec" ... but the port was tasty!

jeff

Amazed Indian Joe says----gosh chicken little must have fallen - the
world must have turned around--JEFF MILLER talking about cooking on the
first warm day of early spring



actually...went fishing yesterday...much cooler on the pamlico. ice on
the water at the landing when i put in. spent more time running the
boat around the sound...no fish, but a nice day away from manunkind.
went out to the area near the military bombing range and the old tanker
they drop ordinance on. posting some photos on abpf.

jeff

Jeff Miller February 15th, 2005 12:47 AM

Wolfgang wrote:

"slenon" wrote in message
...

...If you find that you have left-over colcannon,



Inconthievable!


wrap portions about tennis ball size in pie crust pastry, seal the
edges, penetrate with a fork to vent steam, brush with milk, and bake at
350 until golden brown. The results, Dublin Potato Knishes.



Hey Jeffie! Does this sound familar?*


a thorn is a thorn is a thorn... and in the case of pasties (or olives),
i'll choose to eat the thorns everytime.

jeff



Herman Nijland February 15th, 2005 09:34 AM

Wolfgang wrote:
snip
Mmmmmmm.....long pork and port!

Wolfgang
who believes firmly in the (presumably macrobiotic) principle that things
that sound alike go well together. :)


Please, don't post anything involving duck.

--
Herman, delurking


slenon February 15th, 2005 03:41 PM

Wolfgang
who, as long as he gets to cook it himself (after a careful perusal of the
MSDS), will gratefully accept ANY recipe.......regardless of source.
*what......no olives?


It seems that every cuisine has some sort of filled pastry that can be baked
or fried and packed for remote dining.

You might also mix kasha with either cubed and boiled or mashed potatoes ,
onions, garlic, and fill knishes with the result. The filling is a bit more
heart-healthy, provides small amounts more of protein, and large amounts
more of flatus. Kasha knishes are best reserved for warm mornings on high
summer waters where waders are not required. Fish upwind of your friends.

I only add olives to potatoes when making potato salads or salad nicoise.
--
Stev Lenon



slenon February 15th, 2005 03:43 PM

Mmmmmmm.....long pork and port!
Wolfgang


Better served with rice beer or Kava, and a clear exit plan

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder



Wolfgang February 15th, 2005 11:07 PM


"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:
snip
Mmmmmmm.....long pork and port!

Wolfgang
who believes firmly in the (presumably macrobiotic) principle that things
that sound alike go well together. :)


Please, don't post anything involving duck.

--
Herman, delurking


Hm.......that presents all kinds of interesting possibilities! :)

Missed you. Stick around for a while.

Wolfgang



Kevin Vang February 16th, 2005 06:49 AM

In article ,
says...
Please, don't post anything involving duck.


Step 1, of course, is to procure yourself a duck.
The best duck will be a late season mallard. Pintails
and canvasbacks are also excellent, but they usually
migrate out too early in the season, at least where
I live. You should preferably shoot your mallard at
dawn on a cold November morning in a beautiful but
lonely place, with the first flakes of snow blowing
in the wind. You don't need to use a quality double
gun or have the duck retrieved by a well-trained
Labrador, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

Once the duck is in hand, you must prepare it properly.
If the duck is badly shot up, you have my permission
to do whatever you have to do to salvage the meat,
but if the duck is in decent condition, you must pluck
the bird. I know it's a pain, but if you skin it or
breast it out, you will be punished by having to eat
dry flavorless meat. Take the time, it will be worth
it. Pluck as much by hand as you can (OBROFF: you can
recover many useful feathers for flytying from a duck)
then singe off the remaining down with a blowtorch, and
pick out any pinfeathers with a pliers. Gut the bird,
pick out all of the shot you can find, as biting down
on no. 2 steel pellets will only enrich your dentist,
and put it into the fridge for a few days to age.

Cooking the duck is simplicity itself. Try to restrain
the impulse to tart it up with a lot of extra
ingredients. Preheat your oven to about 450F or so,
and pat the bird dry and put it into a deep roasting
pan. Pull the plug on the smoke detector, because a
late season mallard is going to be carrying a thick
layer of fat under the skin, which is going to splatter.
Pop the roasting pan into the oven, and leave it for
20 to not more than 30 minutes (small ducks like teal
might only take 15 minutes or so.) Your goal is to
get the skin golden brown and crispy, while the meat
inside is still nice and rare. When it has reached
this state, pull it from the oven, set the duck aside
to rest. Drain all the excess fat from the pan (and
keep it in a jar in the fridge -- rendered duck fat
is an excellent cooking fat ). Deglaze the pan with
a cup of inexpensive but decent port and a cup of
stock made from the bones of the last duck you cooked.
Simmer until the volume is reduced by half, and then
thicken with a few pats of cold butter (screw the
cholesterol, you can diet tomorrow!) If you don't
have any stock, you can skip the sauce and serve
the duck with sour cherry or red currant preserves.
Filet the breasts off the duck and cut into slices
across the grain of the meat, making sure each slice
has a piece of the crispy skin, which of course is
the best part.

You don't need elaborate side dishes. Perhaps a
loaf of crusty french bread and a crisp green salad,
but you will definitely want to bring out your best
bottle of red wine. OK, you will want 2 or maybe
3 bottles of wine. Also have plenty of napkins,
because the grease will be all over your fingers and
dripping down your chin. Eat it with someone who
will appreciate it.

Kevin

and
--
reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstatu dot edu

Herman Nijland February 16th, 2005 12:00 PM

Kevin Vang wrote:
snipped for bandwidth
You don't need elaborate side dishes. Perhaps a
loaf of crusty french bread and a crisp green salad,
but you will definitely want to bring out your best
bottle of red wine. OK, you will want 2 or maybe
3 bottles of wine. Also have plenty of napkins,
because the grease will be all over your fingers and
dripping down your chin. Eat it with someone who
will appreciate it.

Kevin


If this is an invitation you're on! That is, if I ever make it over the
big pond.

--
Herman, testing his wings.

Ken Fortenberry February 16th, 2005 12:40 PM

Kevin Vang wrote:

snip
Cooking the duck is simplicity itself. Try to restrain
the impulse to tart it up with a lot of extra
ingredients. Preheat your oven to about 450F or so,
and pat the bird dry and put it into a deep roasting
pan.


If you have fresh herbs you can stuff them into the cavity,
parsley, sage, thyme, but don't bother with dried. You'll
get rid of a lot more grease if you slow roast a duck than
if you flash roast it in a blast furnace. Roast at 325F for
2 or 3 hours (until the breast is ~150-160) THEN turn the
oven to 400F for as long as it takes to brown the skin, not
more than 20-30 minutes longer.

--
Ken Fortenberry

slenon February 16th, 2005 03:43 PM

Eat it with someone who
will appreciate it.
Kevin


Sounds quite delicious.
Haven't had a duck since Thanksgiving. It's time for one.
I like the simple and direct approach you suggest. I do prefer a blackberry
jam reduction to cherry or currant.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Kevin Vang February 16th, 2005 04:03 PM

In article , says...
If this is an invitation you're on! That is, if I ever make it over the
big pond.

--
Herman, testing his wings.


You betcha!

Kevin,
and bring your pike rod.

--
reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Kevin Vang February 16th, 2005 04:12 PM

In article ,
lid says...
You'll
get rid of a lot more grease if you slow roast a duck than
if you flash roast it in a blast furnace. Roast at 325F for
2 or 3 hours (until the breast is ~150-160) THEN turn the
oven to 400F for as long as it takes to brown the skin, not
more than 20-30 minutes longer.



If you change the numbers from 150 to 120, so your finishing
temp is around 150, then I'll buy it.

Kevin

--
reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Wayne Knight February 16th, 2005 04:19 PM


Kevin Vang wrote:

it. Pluck as much by hand as you can (OBROFF: you can
recover many useful feathers for flytying from a duck)
then singe off the remaining down with a blowtorch, and
pick out any pinfeathers with a pliers.


next time you might want to try dipping the plucked bird in was and
then scrapping it off, takes any remaining feather material off but
leaves the skin in tact.


Wayne Knight February 16th, 2005 04:24 PM


Wayne Knight wrote:

try dipping the plucked bird in was


that would be *wax*, not was.

Wayne
the typing impaired


Wolfgang February 16th, 2005 04:52 PM


"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
...
In article ,


...you must pluck
the bird. I know it's a pain, but if you skin it or
breast it out, you will be punished by having to eat
dry flavorless meat....


Remainder of excellent sounding recipe snipped.

Breasting a wild duck or goose can result in a superb, succulent dish,
quickly and with a minimum of effort. Simply coat the breast
liberally with oil or fat of choice and grill rare to medium rare over
a very hot charcoal fire. This should take no more than 3-4 minutes,
maximum, per side of a mallard breast or 6-8 for goose.....depending
on heat and desired degree of doneness. Err on the minimal
side......as you noted, this meat WILL dry quickly and fatally.

I've served this to quite a few people who had previously given up on
wild duck and goose. All of them found it to their liking and adopted
the method.

Wolfgang




Wolfgang February 16th, 2005 04:52 PM


"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
...
In article ,


...you must pluck
the bird. I know it's a pain, but if you skin it or
breast it out, you will be punished by having to eat
dry flavorless meat....


Remainder of excellent sounding recipe snipped.

Breasting a wild duck or goose can result in a superb, succulent dish,
quickly and with a minimum of effort. Simply coat the breast
liberally with oil or fat of choice and grill rare to medium rare over
a very hot charcoal fire. This should take no more than 3-4 minutes,
maximum, per side of a mallard breast or 6-8 for goose.....depending
on heat and desired degree of doneness. Err on the minimal
side......as you noted, this meat WILL dry quickly and fatally.

I've served this to quite a few people who had previously given up on
wild duck and goose. All of them found it to their liking and adopted
the method.

Wolfgang




Herman Nijland February 16th, 2005 08:24 PM

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , says...

If this is an invitation you're on! That is, if I ever make it over the
big pond.

--
Herman, testing his wings.



You betcha!

Kevin,
and bring your pike rod.


Thanks, I'll keep this in mind :-). A preparation for duck I'd love to
do myself, at least once, is peking duck. The problem (for me) is that
there are too many possibilities to **** up :-). Your recipe is nice and
simple, I'll try it sometime.
Mouthwatering image:
http://www.ctmenusonline.com/images/...ng_duck_17.jpg

--
Herman

Herman Nijland February 16th, 2005 08:24 PM

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , says...

If this is an invitation you're on! That is, if I ever make it over the
big pond.

--
Herman, testing his wings.



You betcha!

Kevin,
and bring your pike rod.


Thanks, I'll keep this in mind :-). A preparation for duck I'd love to
do myself, at least once, is peking duck. The problem (for me) is that
there are too many possibilities to **** up :-). Your recipe is nice and
simple, I'll try it sometime.
Mouthwatering image:
http://www.ctmenusonline.com/images/...ng_duck_17.jpg

--
Herman

Cyli February 17th, 2005 02:57 AM

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:49:11 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:

(snipped)

then singe off the remaining down with a blowtorch, and
pick out any pinfeathers with a pliers.


Wax. Have bucket of liquid paraffin wax there (be very careful making
it liquid. Double boiler or outdoors recommended. Highly flammable).
Dip the defeathered duck in the hot wax, let it cool to solid, strip
the wax. Almost all the pinfeathers come right off. Been there, seen
it done, never done it myself. My mother warned me to never learn how
to clean wild game and I took the lesson to heart. No problem, as my
husband's not a hunter and I don't eat any wild game other than
squirrel, rabbit, and pheasant. Well, fish, but that's different.
Fish are easy.

Ladies leg waxing stuff might work, too, but they may add perfumes and
coloring. I don't know, as I've never tried the crud.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli February 17th, 2005 02:57 AM

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:49:11 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:

(snipped)

then singe off the remaining down with a blowtorch, and
pick out any pinfeathers with a pliers.


Wax. Have bucket of liquid paraffin wax there (be very careful making
it liquid. Double boiler or outdoors recommended. Highly flammable).
Dip the defeathered duck in the hot wax, let it cool to solid, strip
the wax. Almost all the pinfeathers come right off. Been there, seen
it done, never done it myself. My mother warned me to never learn how
to clean wild game and I took the lesson to heart. No problem, as my
husband's not a hunter and I don't eat any wild game other than
squirrel, rabbit, and pheasant. Well, fish, but that's different.
Fish are easy.

Ladies leg waxing stuff might work, too, but they may add perfumes and
coloring. I don't know, as I've never tried the crud.

Cyli
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Jeff Miller February 17th, 2005 11:28 AM

Wolfgang wrote:

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
...

In article ,



...you must pluck
the bird. I know it's a pain, but if you skin it or
breast it out, you will be punished by having to eat
dry flavorless meat....



Remainder of excellent sounding recipe snipped.

Breasting a wild duck or goose can result in a superb, succulent dish,
quickly and with a minimum of effort. Simply coat the breast
liberally with oil or fat of choice and grill rare to medium rare over
a very hot charcoal fire. This should take no more than 3-4 minutes,
maximum, per side of a mallard breast or 6-8 for goose.....depending
on heat and desired degree of doneness. Err on the minimal
side......as you noted, this meat WILL dry quickly and fatally.

I've served this to quite a few people who had previously given up on
wild duck and goose. All of them found it to their liking and adopted
the method.

Wolfgang



oddly enough, the best duck i've ever had was cooked by pj precisely as
you describe except in a fireplace with a grill rack laid over the wood
embers... it remains my favorite cooked meat. i devoured at least 5 or
6 of the duck breasts. delicious!! (of course, we also ate raw dove
meat, so other factors may have been in play at the time) i've eaten
that dried up leather duck served by most restaurants, and there's no
comparison.

jeff

Jeff Miller February 17th, 2005 11:28 AM

Wolfgang wrote:

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
...

In article ,



...you must pluck
the bird. I know it's a pain, but if you skin it or
breast it out, you will be punished by having to eat
dry flavorless meat....



Remainder of excellent sounding recipe snipped.

Breasting a wild duck or goose can result in a superb, succulent dish,
quickly and with a minimum of effort. Simply coat the breast
liberally with oil or fat of choice and grill rare to medium rare over
a very hot charcoal fire. This should take no more than 3-4 minutes,
maximum, per side of a mallard breast or 6-8 for goose.....depending
on heat and desired degree of doneness. Err on the minimal
side......as you noted, this meat WILL dry quickly and fatally.

I've served this to quite a few people who had previously given up on
wild duck and goose. All of them found it to their liking and adopted
the method.

Wolfgang



oddly enough, the best duck i've ever had was cooked by pj precisely as
you describe except in a fireplace with a grill rack laid over the wood
embers... it remains my favorite cooked meat. i devoured at least 5 or
6 of the duck breasts. delicious!! (of course, we also ate raw dove
meat, so other factors may have been in play at the time) i've eaten
that dried up leather duck served by most restaurants, and there's no
comparison.

jeff

Wolfgang February 17th, 2005 01:32 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:0d%Qd.42248$EG1.19868@lakeread04...

oddly enough, the best duck i've ever had was cooked by pj precisely

as
you describe except in a fireplace with a grill rack laid over the

wood
embers... it remains my favorite cooked meat. i devoured at least 5

or
6 of the duck breasts. delicious!! (of course, we also ate raw dove
meat, so other factors may have been in play at the time) i've eaten
that dried up leather duck served by most restaurants, and there's

no
comparison.


As many already know, and as has been made clear once again in this
discussion, cooking wild ducks and geese can be a tricky proposition.
The meat is very lean; the line between raw and leather is narrow.
Their domestic cousins are another matter entirely.....they are
famously fat. So much so, in fact, that most methods of preparation
call for the removal of much of the fat before cooking or allowing for
it to be rendered during. There is simply no excuse for domestic
waterfowl to end up dry. The chef at any restaurant that serves up
dry duck should be treated to his own methodology. :)

Wolfgang



Wolfgang February 17th, 2005 01:32 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:0d%Qd.42248$EG1.19868@lakeread04...

oddly enough, the best duck i've ever had was cooked by pj precisely

as
you describe except in a fireplace with a grill rack laid over the

wood
embers... it remains my favorite cooked meat. i devoured at least 5

or
6 of the duck breasts. delicious!! (of course, we also ate raw dove
meat, so other factors may have been in play at the time) i've eaten
that dried up leather duck served by most restaurants, and there's

no
comparison.


As many already know, and as has been made clear once again in this
discussion, cooking wild ducks and geese can be a tricky proposition.
The meat is very lean; the line between raw and leather is narrow.
Their domestic cousins are another matter entirely.....they are
famously fat. So much so, in fact, that most methods of preparation
call for the removal of much of the fat before cooking or allowing for
it to be rendered during. There is simply no excuse for domestic
waterfowl to end up dry. The chef at any restaurant that serves up
dry duck should be treated to his own methodology. :)

Wolfgang




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