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Jeff Miller February 21st, 2005 01:13 PM

the duke's final gonzo story is writ
 
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...

jeezus, i just heard bush mention voltaire in his opening remarks in
brussels. ah...if only ht had maintained the same clarity of vision and
writing as he did with tricky dick...

jeff

Wayne Harrison February 21st, 2005 01:31 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:p8lSd.60162$EG1.8840@lakeread04...
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...


yep, i shall surely raise one to ol raoul this evenin, when i am through
with the day's little brush with hell.


jeezus, i just heard bush mention voltaire in his opening remarks in
brussels.


how, in god's name, can you listen?

yfitp
wayno (i will convey your regrets to stokes county)



riverman February 21st, 2005 02:10 PM


"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
. com...

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:p8lSd.60162$EG1.8840@lakeread04...
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...


yep, i shall surely raise one to ol raoul this evenin, when i am
through with the day's little brush with hell.


jeezus, i just heard bush mention voltaire in his opening remarks in
brussels.


how, in god's name, can you listen?


Damn, what we need right about now is HSTs lazerbeam commentary on the
current misadminstration. Has his latest book been released?

--riverman



Tim J. February 21st, 2005 02:13 PM

Jeff Miller wrote:
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...


""There was no point in fighting -- on our side or theirs. We had all
the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. "

It is my sincere hope that this was an end with which he was at peace,
and that he left on the crest. This end would seem out of place, violent
and lonely, with anyone except HST.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



slenon February 21st, 2005 04:59 PM

It is my sincere hope that this was an end with which he was at peace,
and that he left on the crest. This end would seem out of place, violent
and lonely, with anyone except HST.

--
TL,
Tim


I would suspect that it was violent and lonely for him as well. The winter
sunlight is scarce in the Roaring Fork valley and cabin fever or valley
fever is rampant and vicious if one has SAD or other depressive tendencies.
When I worked down river in Glenwood Springs Feb and Mar were brutal months
with elevated suicide and domestic violence reported. We frequently heard
tales of gunfire in a home in Woody Creek from our friends in the Aspen
hospital and others who lived up river. This doesn't surprise me at all.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




riverman February 21st, 2005 05:37 PM


"slenon" wrote in message
m...
It is my sincere hope that this was an end with which he was at peace,
and that he left on the crest. This end would seem out of place, violent
and lonely, with anyone except HST.

--
TL,
Tim


I would suspect that it was violent and lonely for him as well. The
winter sunlight is scarce in the Roaring Fork valley and cabin fever or
valley fever is rampant and vicious if one has SAD or other depressive
tendencies. When I worked down river in Glenwood Springs Feb and Mar were
brutal months with elevated suicide and domestic violence reported. We
frequently heard tales of gunfire in a home in Woody Creek from our
friends in the Aspen hospital and others who lived up river. This doesn't
surprise me at all.


Of couse we can't know for sure, at least unless something is found written,
but I suspect that he knew for years that the end would eventually come at
his own hand. No reason for that belief, but its what I think.

I also was very startled to see how much he had aged between the publicity
pics of him with Johnny Depp at the opening of FALILV, and some recent pic
of him getting out of Kerry's limo during a motorcade earlier this year.
Might be that he just figured that he was wearing out pretty quickly and it
was time. At least, I hope it was that structured. It'd be a damn shame if
SAD got him....for him, his wife AND his wounded secretary.

On a completely other note, he kept peacocks. Wouldn't it be totally cool to
get some HST Peacock hurl and tie up a Fear and Loathing fly? Any ideas of
what it would look like?

--riverman



Frank Reid February 21st, 2005 05:57 PM

On a completely other note, he kept peacocks. Wouldn't it be totally cool to
get some HST Peacock hurl and tie up a Fear and Loathing fly? Any ideas of
what it would look like?


Psycodelic (intentional misspelling) spider.

--
Frank Reid
Euthanize to reply


Tim J. February 21st, 2005 06:32 PM

slenon wrote:
It is my sincere hope that this was an end with which he was at
peace, and that he left on the crest. This end would seem out of
place, violent and lonely, with anyone except HST.


I would suspect that it was violent and lonely for him as well. The
winter sunlight is scarce in the Roaring Fork valley and cabin fever
or valley fever is rampant and vicious if one has SAD or other
depressive tendencies. When I worked down river in Glenwood Springs
Feb and Mar were brutal months with elevated suicide and domestic
violence reported.


Yeah, but you're trying to fit HST into normal patterns. You can also be
a "Gloomy Gus" about such joyous occasions.

We frequently heard tales of gunfire in a home in
Woody Creek from our friends in the Aspen hospital and others who
lived up river.


Really? No ****? I can hardly believe ol' Hunter would discharge a
firearm. ;-)

This doesn't surprise me at all.


Me neither, but for completely different reasons. Remember a few posts
ago when I said I was a "glass half full" sorta guy?. . . Here's what
really happened, IMO: HST wakes to a beautiful winter scene in Aspen. He
has his morning coffee, Jack Daniels, and whatever uppers, downers, and
hallucinogens happen to still be lying on the coffee table as he surveys
the view out of the large picture window of the reinforced encampment.
After about fifteen minutes, he thinks, "It just can't get any better
than this." and pulls the trigger. Raoul agrees and does the same.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it - facts be damned.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



slenon February 21st, 2005 07:09 PM

After about fifteen minutes, he thinks, "It just can't get any better
than this." and pulls the trigger. Raoul agrees and does the same.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it - facts be damned.
TL,
Tim


Your view may well be right, Tim. He may have decided to celebrate the
morning by coating the inside of his cabin with brain matter.
Unless someone tells us more detail, we'll never know.

I suppose you're right, I may take a more pessimistic view to life than
others. But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley without ever
becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever. At a time when myt first
marriage was crumbling badly and not fast enough, those long cold nights,
short days, and close-in valley walls were solace and joy for me.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Wayne Knight February 21st, 2005 08:09 PM

slenon wrote:

we'll never know.


Like its any of our business.

I may take a more pessimistic view to life than others.


That would be the understatement of the year, if the reigning Playmate
of the Year showed up at your place and was going to service you like
you had never been served before, you would complain that Hugh Hefner
had her first.

But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley without ever
becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.


You make it sound like Dodge City Kansas or the Mekong Delta. I would
hazard a guess that most folks survive their time in the Roaring Fork
Valley without ever becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.

Wayne
I like Tim's explanation.


Tim J. February 21st, 2005 09:33 PM

slenon wrote:
After about fifteen minutes, he thinks, "It just can't get any better
than this." and pulls the trigger. Raoul agrees and does the same.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it - facts be damned.


Your view may well be right, Tim. He may have decided to celebrate
the morning by coating the inside of his cabin with brain matter.
Unless someone tells us more detail, we'll never know.


Again IMO, Hunter could no doubt give a **** what coating was going to
be on the walls after his brain no longer occupied the space between his
ears. And remember, this is HST we're discussing - even *with* more
detail (which I hope is not forthcoming)we'll never know.

I suppose you're right, I may take a more pessimistic view to life
than others. But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley
without ever becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever. At a
time when myt first marriage was crumbling badly and not fast enough,
those long cold nights, short days, and close-in valley walls were
solace and joy for me.


You seem to navigate life by your bad experiences, not the good ones.
Hey, it's your call, but it's rather maudlin to watch. Me? I try to view
my life through the good ones whether I've had them yet or not. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Thomas Littleton February 21st, 2005 09:57 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:p8lSd.60162$EG1.8840@lakeread04...
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...

jeezus, i just heard bush mention voltaire in his opening remarks in
brussels. ah...if only ht had maintained the same clarity of vision and
writing as he did with tricky dick...

jeff


To an extent, he did.....his piece on 9/11, written late in that day and
substituted for his regular ESPN online column might be the best synopsis of
the post-9/11 world written. He viewed a reality wherein the extremes of
religion had reached near-maximum power in both the US and the Middle East
and feared for the future.

Tom



Thomas Littleton February 21st, 2005 09:57 PM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:p8lSd.60162$EG1.8840@lakeread04...
guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...

jeezus, i just heard bush mention voltaire in his opening remarks in
brussels. ah...if only ht had maintained the same clarity of vision and
writing as he did with tricky dick...

jeff


To an extent, he did.....his piece on 9/11, written late in that day and
substituted for his regular ESPN online column might be the best synopsis of
the post-9/11 world written. He viewed a reality wherein the extremes of
religion had reached near-maximum power in both the US and the Middle East
and feared for the future.

Tom



Thomas Littleton February 21st, 2005 10:10 PM


"Tim J." wrote in message
...
""There was no point in fighting -- on our side or theirs. We had all
the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. "


ah, but you leave out the key follow-up:
"So now, less than 5 years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las
Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes, you can almost see the
high-water mark--that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

It's 34 years later, that wave has rolled out to a point where it may never
come back, and, sadly, the Good Doctor is gone, in the only way I could
imagine him going. Goodbye, HST.
Tom



Wolfgang February 21st, 2005 10:25 PM


"riverman" wrote in message
...

...Any ideas of what it would look like?


Tedious.

Wolfgang
who notes that Ernst Mayr and Ossie Davis died a couple of weeks
ago.........odd, who's missed and who ain't.



Wolfgang February 21st, 2005 10:41 PM


"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
oups.com...

...I like Tim's explanation.


That's because you haven't examined all of the possibilities.

Consider........

Papa was a hunter. Papa wanted to be a writer. He wanted to make a big
bang. HST made a BIG bang.....two of them actually......just a few days
apart. But Papa weren't no HST. So, Papa made a small bang. Meanwhile,
along comes HST. HE wants to be a writer. He also wants to be
Papa......who weren't no big bang of a writer.....and only made a small
bang. HST, no big bang of a writer in his own right, makes a small bang.
dick wants to be HST......who wants to be Papa....who wants to be HST (at
least in the bang department)......who has been dead for a long time. And
the only one of them who had any legitimate reason to hope to be a
writer......and/or make a big bang.....via sword or pen.....was HSTI.

Where's it all gonna end.......ainna? :)

Wolfgang
and kennie wants to be.......well, never mind......it ain't gonna happen.



slenon February 21st, 2005 10:58 PM

That would be the understatement of the year, if the reigning Playmate
of the Year showed up at your place and was going to service you like
you had never been served before, you would complain that Hugh Hefner
had her first.


No, If I were single, I'd likely not be that picky. But even better, I'm
happily married now, and can afford to be that picky. So, yes, the scenario
doesn't thrill me.



But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley without ever
becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.


You make it sound like Dodge City Kansas or the Mekong Delta. I would
hazard a guess that most folks survive their time in the Roaring Fork
Valley without ever becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.
Wayne


Can't say much about how it compares to the Mekong, I served north of the
delta. Dodge isn't that different from any cattle trailhead from Sedalia to
points west. Even at their worst they rarely had more than one shooting a
day during season.
While I lived there, most folks who could afford it took long mid-winter
vacations to regions with more sunlight. I enjoyed the area and don't
suffer from SAD.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




slenon February 21st, 2005 11:08 PM

You seem to navigate life by your bad experiences, not the good ones.
Hey, it's your call, but it's rather maudlin to watch. Me? I try to view
my life through the good ones whether I've had them yet or not.
Tim


As it is, Tim, my life between 19 and 43 pretty much sucked. A war, a bad
marriage that lasted far too long. Things got better rapidly until I was
injured and that fight began.
I've lost a lot of physical dexterity, have chronic severe pain, and blah,
blah, blah.

You want good? I had a great time fishing this weekend even though I hurt
badly today as a result. Met lots of on-line acquaintances and we all had a
good time fishing, playing with the pencils on the bench, etc. Even better,
NASA announced that the shuttle will resume flight this spring with a target
lauch date of 15 May. 5 minutes later Gloria called to say she had motel
reservations on the Merrit Island Causeway for the launch. You want good?
Social Security finally acknowledged that my physicians are correct, that I
won't work again. I have regular income and health insurance for the first
time in four years. Having those two things somehow brightens one's outlook
on life.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




slenon February 21st, 2005 11:08 PM

You seem to navigate life by your bad experiences, not the good ones.
Hey, it's your call, but it's rather maudlin to watch. Me? I try to view
my life through the good ones whether I've had them yet or not.
Tim


As it is, Tim, my life between 19 and 43 pretty much sucked. A war, a bad
marriage that lasted far too long. Things got better rapidly until I was
injured and that fight began.
I've lost a lot of physical dexterity, have chronic severe pain, and blah,
blah, blah.

You want good? I had a great time fishing this weekend even though I hurt
badly today as a result. Met lots of on-line acquaintances and we all had a
good time fishing, playing with the pencils on the bench, etc. Even better,
NASA announced that the shuttle will resume flight this spring with a target
lauch date of 15 May. 5 minutes later Gloria called to say she had motel
reservations on the Merrit Island Causeway for the launch. You want good?
Social Security finally acknowledged that my physicians are correct, that I
won't work again. I have regular income and health insurance for the first
time in four years. Having those two things somehow brightens one's outlook
on life.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Jeff Miller February 22nd, 2005 12:32 AM

Tim J. wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:

guess the weasel's got him... he was a brilliant and humorous
mirror-maker. fear and loathing indeed...



""There was no point in fighting -- on our side or theirs. We had all
the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. "

It is my sincere hope that this was an end with which he was at peace,
and that he left on the crest. This end would seem out of place, violent
and lonely, with anyone except HST.


perhaps it was his final effort at exposing "that dark, venal, and
incurably violent side of the American character."

Jeff Miller February 22nd, 2005 12:34 AM

riverman wrote:



On a completely other note, he kept peacocks. Wouldn't it be totally cool to
get some HST Peacock hurl and tie up a Fear and Loathing fly? Any ideas of
what it would look like?

--riverman



think ralph steadman...that'd be it.

Tim J. February 22nd, 2005 12:45 AM

slenon wrote:
You seem to navigate life by your bad experiences, not the good ones.
Hey, it's your call, but it's rather maudlin to watch. Me? I try to
view my life through the good ones whether I've had them yet or not.
Tim


As it is, Tim, my life between 19 and 43 pretty much sucked.

snip

As fate has it, so does everyone else's, if they will it. Have I had the
same experiences as you? No, very different, but, and I'm trying to say
this in the nicest way possible, you just GET ON WITH IT, man! Don't
carry ghosts in your pocket, and move from a bad marriage onto better
experiences with a good woman (as it appears you have), but leave the
past back there in the dust. Jeez - you dredge up your demons like they
are with you still, which is sad. One of my favorite roff acquaintences
out west (and you know who you are) has much to lament, but instead
provides me with inspiration as to why it's better to look at the
sunrise than the sunset. Try it - you'll like it!
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/



Wayne Harrison February 22nd, 2005 12:45 AM


"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:r6vSd.42$7z6.25@lakeread04...
riverman wrote:



On a completely other note, he kept peacocks. Wouldn't it be totally cool
to get some HST Peacock hurl and tie up a Fear and Loathing fly? Any
ideas of what it would look like?

--riverman


think ralph steadman...that'd be it.


good god--ralph steadman--i think he taught me con law in summer school
before my first semester in law school, 1966...

yfitp
wayno (well, if he didn't, he should have)



Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 01:15 AM


"slenon" wrote in message
m...
That would be the understatement of the year, if the reigning Playmate
of the Year showed up at your place and was going to service you like
you had never been served before, you would complain that Hugh Hefner
had her first.


No, If I were single, I'd likely not be that picky. But even better, I'm
happily married now, and can afford to be that picky. So, yes, the
scenario doesn't thrill me.



But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley without ever
becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.


You make it sound like Dodge City Kansas or the Mekong Delta. I would
hazard a guess that most folks survive their time in the Roaring Fork
Valley without ever becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.
Wayne


Can't say much about how it compares to the Mekong, I served north of the
delta. Dodge isn't that different from any cattle trailhead from Sedalia
to points west. Even at their worst they rarely had more than one shooting
a day during season.
While I lived there, most folks who could afford it took long mid-winter
vacations to regions with more sunlight. I enjoyed the area and don't
suffer from SAD.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........BANG!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.........



Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 01:15 AM


"slenon" wrote in message
m...
That would be the understatement of the year, if the reigning Playmate
of the Year showed up at your place and was going to service you like
you had never been served before, you would complain that Hugh Hefner
had her first.


No, If I were single, I'd likely not be that picky. But even better, I'm
happily married now, and can afford to be that picky. So, yes, the
scenario doesn't thrill me.



But I survived my time in the Roaring Fork valley without ever
becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.


You make it sound like Dodge City Kansas or the Mekong Delta. I would
hazard a guess that most folks survive their time in the Roaring Fork
Valley without ever becoming suicidal, developing SAD or valley fever.
Wayne


Can't say much about how it compares to the Mekong, I served north of the
delta. Dodge isn't that different from any cattle trailhead from Sedalia
to points west. Even at their worst they rarely had more than one shooting
a day during season.
While I lived there, most folks who could afford it took long mid-winter
vacations to regions with more sunlight. I enjoyed the area and don't
suffer from SAD.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........BANG!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.........



Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 01:18 AM


"Tim J." wrote in message
...
slenon wrote:
You seem to navigate life by your bad experiences, not the good ones.
Hey, it's your call, but it's rather maudlin to watch. Me? I try to
view my life through the good ones whether I've had them yet or not.
Tim


As it is, Tim, my life between 19 and 43 pretty much sucked.

snip

As fate has it, so does everyone else's, if they will it. Have I had the
same experiences as you? No, very different, but, and I'm trying to say
this in the nicest way possible, you just GET ON WITH IT, man! Don't carry
ghosts in your pocket, and move from a bad marriage onto better
experiences with a good woman (as it appears you have), but leave the past
back there in the dust. Jeez - you dredge up your demons like they are
with you still, which is sad. One of my favorite roff acquaintences out
west (and you know who you are) has much to lament, but instead provides
me with inspiration as to why it's better to look at the sunrise than the
sunset. Try it - you'll like it!


Or, to put it in the vernacular.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Wolfgang



slenon February 22nd, 2005 02:15 AM

it's better to look at the sunrise than the sunset. Try it - you'll like
it! Tim



Actually, Tim, I enjoy both.
Not all demons are content to be exorcised or forgotten. I've outlived the
easy ones.
Somewhere out there its still possible that a little house on chicken legs
surrounded by a white picket fence still rotates to face the sun.
I've never forgotten the old hope that morning is wiser than evening. But I
also never forget Tanstaafl.
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 02:33 AM


"slenon" wrote in message
...
it's better to look at the sunrise than the sunset. Try it - you'll like
it! Tim



Actually, Tim, I enjoy both.


Would that either could say the feeling is mutual........eh?

Not all demons are content to be exorcised or forgotten.


What REALLY ****es them off is when you laugh at them.......or ignore
them......or call them by name......or lop itty bitty little bits off your
own incomparable self.

I've outlived the easy ones.


Most of us have gotten past potty training.........big deal.

Somewhere out there its still possible that a little house on chicken legs
surrounded by a white picket fence still rotates to face the sun.


True. But then, lemon grass sometimes still ecrus swatch the chromium round
and round the old fistula, ainna?

I've never forgotten the old hope that morning is wiser than evening.


And weebles wobble. Of course. Who COULD forget it?

But I also never forget Tanstaafl.


One sometimes wonders.......have you read ANYTHING since 1967?

Wolfgang



Tim J. February 22nd, 2005 02:35 AM

slenon wrote:
it's better to look at the sunrise than the sunset. Try it - you'll
like it! Tim


Actually, Tim, I enjoy both.
Not all demons are content to be exorcised or forgotten. I've
outlived the easy ones.


It seems you enjoy the demons as well. Just an observation. . .

Somewhere out there its still possible that a little house on chicken
legs surrounded by a white picket fence still rotates to face the sun.
I've never forgotten the old hope that morning is wiser than evening.
But I also never forget Tanstaafl.


.. . . but sometimes the lunch is just, well, lunch. And sometimes it's
bread and water, and sometimes it's smoked salmon, cheese, and crackers
with good beer and good company.
--
TL,
Tim
who could just as easily remember the same day as a flat tire, but
chooses to think of the salmon and beer. Mmmmmmmm. . . salmon and beer!
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/



Wayne Knight February 22nd, 2005 02:48 AM


"slenon" wrote in message
m...

While I lived there, most folks who could afford it took long mid-winter
vacations to regions with more sunlight. I enjoyed the area and don't
suffer from SAD.


What is it? Near Aspen is a depressing place to live in the winter or not?
You implied it was.




Wayne Knight February 22nd, 2005 03:01 AM


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

That's because you haven't examined all of the possibilities.


Maybe that's because I don't want to.

I enjoyed reading his stuff, kind of admired his chutzpah, but never knew
the man. I don't know what causes people to end their lives, what his
physical condition was like nor his mental makeup. The comparison to
Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated speculation.

Wayne
BTW, I got some scoop on the lake you were telling me about.



Wayne Knight February 22nd, 2005 03:01 AM


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

That's because you haven't examined all of the possibilities.


Maybe that's because I don't want to.

I enjoyed reading his stuff, kind of admired his chutzpah, but never knew
the man. I don't know what causes people to end their lives, what his
physical condition was like nor his mental makeup. The comparison to
Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated speculation.

Wayne
BTW, I got some scoop on the lake you were telling me about.



slenon February 22nd, 2005 03:09 AM

Wayne Knight:
What is it? Near Aspen is a depressing place to live in the winter or not?
You implied it was.


The Roaring Fork runs northward from Aspen to its confluence with the
Colorado at Glenwood Springs. The resultant valley is steep-walled and
narrow. In winter, as a result of the decreased time the sun actually
shines into the valley, many residents become depressed or suffer increased
affects of SAD.

The same conditions can likely be found in any mountain valley oriented
north/south.

I found it a beautiful place winter and summer. But I knew many people who
really had to get out of the valley during the winter. Yes, near Aspen can
be a depressing place to live for some people.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 03:17 AM


"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

That's because you haven't examined all of the possibilities.


Maybe that's because I don't want to.


Amen to that.

I enjoyed reading his stuff, kind of admired his chutzpah,


Yeah, that's why they make cho.......um.......well, you know.

but never knew the man.


Nor did I.

I don't know what causes people to end their lives,


In general, neither do I. In specific instances, it's sometimes easy to see
why and other times not.

what his physical condition was like nor his mental makeup.


Given our confessed minimal familiarity with the man, I think its safe to
say that he knew him better than either of us did. That's enough for me to
respect his decision.

The comparison to Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated
speculation.


Not all that educated, really. But, I suspect that if he was the writer
that many here suppose him to have been, he would also have been bright
enough that the suggested parallel wouldn't have been lost on him.

Wayne
BTW, I got some scoop on the lake you were telling me about.


Ah! NOW we're speaking the same language! You know where to find me.
:)

Wolfgang



Tim J. February 22nd, 2005 03:26 AM

Wolfgang wrote:
"slenon" wrote in message
...

Not all demons are content to be exorcised or forgotten.


What REALLY ****es them off is when you laugh at them.......or ignore
them......or call them by name...


The ignoring thingy is what really gets 'em.

...or lop itty bitty little bits off
your own incomparable self.


Self-circumcision? Uh, no . . . I'll just continue ignoring them, thank
you.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/



Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 03:32 AM


"slenon" wrote in message
m...
...I knew many people who really had to get out of the valley during the
winter...


Many?

Hm........

Wolfgang
who has always wondered where all those people who live on the north-south
streets in downtown chicago, los angeles, detroit, washington, houston,
milwaukee, cleveland, seattle, philadelphia, dallas, pittsburgh, portland,
minneapolis, montreal, indianapolis, newark, berlin, stockholm, paris,
london, edinburgh, moscow, cincinatti, tokyo, beijing, geneva, denver, and
churchill go during the winter.........um.......what few don't kill
everybody in sight (including themselves, of course), that is.



Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 03:36 AM


"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:
"slenon" wrote in message
...

Not all demons are content to be exorcised or forgotten.


What REALLY ****es them off is when you laugh at them.......or ignore
them......or call them by name...


The ignoring thingy is what really gets 'em.

...or lop itty bitty little bits off
your own incomparable self.


Self-circumcision? Uh, no . . . I'll just continue ignoring them, thank
you.
--
TL,
Tim


Not reading that! Ignoring you!

Wolfgang
who is not responding.



rw February 22nd, 2005 03:44 AM

Wolfgang wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...


The comparison to Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated
speculation.



Not all that educated, really. But, I suspect that if he was the writer
that many here suppose him to have been, he would also have been bright
enough that the suggested parallel wouldn't have been lost on him.


I think it's pretty damn funny when a pipsqueak like you is contemptuous
of a towering literary figure like Hemingway. Maybe after you're dead
and buried people will win prizes by imitating your writing style, but I
doubt it. Who would want to read it?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw February 22nd, 2005 03:44 AM

Wolfgang wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...


The comparison to Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated
speculation.



Not all that educated, really. But, I suspect that if he was the writer
that many here suppose him to have been, he would also have been bright
enough that the suggested parallel wouldn't have been lost on him.


I think it's pretty damn funny when a pipsqueak like you is contemptuous
of a towering literary figure like Hemingway. Maybe after you're dead
and buried people will win prizes by imitating your writing style, but I
doubt it. Who would want to read it?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang February 22nd, 2005 03:54 AM


"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...


The comparison to Hemingway is interesting but none-the-less educated
speculation.



Not all that educated, really. But, I suspect that if he was the writer
that many here suppose him to have been, he would also have been bright
enough that the suggested parallel wouldn't have been lost on him.


I think it's pretty damn funny when a pipsqueak like you is contemptuous
of a towering literary figure like Hemingway. Maybe after you're dead and
buried people will win prizes by imitating your writing style, but I doubt
it. Who would want to read it?


Well, we all know one who will read every word of it.......or get a literate
13 year old girl to read it to him......in spare moments........don't we?
:)

Wolfgang
how's that for pretty damn funny?




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