no doubt fishing is next
 

From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York
City Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to
include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The
revision would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses.
The bill is now being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee. "

"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
. ..
From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision
would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is
now being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee. "

I think that if I were a New York state resident, I'd be on the phone to my
state representatives, voicing my opinion RIGHT NOW!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "Sportsmen need to become
involved."
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

There may come a time in America when you just got to do what's right in
your gut...no matter what some idiotic law states! Thats what will keep us
a free nation.

Mike (PA)


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
. ..
From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision
would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is
now being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee. "

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:22:47 -0500, "Mike" sent into
the ether:

There may come a time in America when you just got to do what's right in
your gut...no matter what some idiotic law states! Thats what will keep us
a free nation.

Mike (PA)

Sounds like you are talking about harvesting some duly elected
officials :} Sigh, if only we could, the world would be a better
place.

I feel the same as Steve except I would be on their front porch not on
the phone!!! Those that live with their heads in the sand are doomed
to lose their hunting and fishing rights.



"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
et...
From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision
would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is
now being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee. "



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"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
. ..
From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York
City Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to
include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The
revision would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses.
The bill is now being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee.
"

Just remember that we as outdoorsmen need to find a way to stand together.
If we as fishermen do not support the hunters and trappers, then when they
come after fishing we will stand alone.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
. ..
From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York
City Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to
include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The
revision would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses.
The bill is now being considered before the body's Agriculture
Committee.
"

Just remember that we as outdoorsmen need to find a way to stand together.
If we as fishermen do not support the hunters and trappers, then when they
come after fishing we will stand alone.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I don't know where the Washington Times picked up that ridiculous piece of
horse****. Here's an excerpt from the bill:

"JUSTIFICATION: This legislation will extend the coverage of the felony
animal cruelty law to cover wildlife. Since the passage of the felony
animal cruelty there have been a number of egregious cases in which wild
animals have been captured and tortured. This bill would allow these cases
to be prosecuted under the felony animal cruelty statute. It is important
to note that in no way would this change affect the lawful hunting or
trapping licensed by the Department of Environmental Conservation."

Did someone really believe that sport hunting would be made a punishable
offense?

Here's a link to the rest of it:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A01850

Marty wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
t...

From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York
City Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to
include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The
revision would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses.
The bill is now being considered before the body's Agriculture

Committee.

"

Just remember that we as outdoorsmen need to find a way to stand together.
If we as fishermen do not support the hunters and trappers, then when they
come after fishing we will stand alone.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com


I don't know where the Washington Times picked up that ridiculous piece of
horse****. Here's an excerpt from the bill:

"JUSTIFICATION: This legislation will extend the coverage of the felony
animal cruelty law to cover wildlife. Since the passage of the felony
animal cruelty there have been a number of egregious cases in which wild
animals have been captured and tortured. This bill would allow these cases
to be prosecuted under the felony animal cruelty statute. It is important
to note that in no way would this change affect the lawful hunting or
trapping licensed by the Department of Environmental Conservation."

Did someone really believe that sport hunting would be made a punishable
offense?

Here's a link to the rest of it:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A01850



That is NOT an excerpt from the bill, but from a summary of the bill.
Not the actual language that a judge would be making a ruling from.

Did someone from 100 years ago really believe that to sport hunt you
would have to jump all the hurdles they give us today?

They don't take away freedoms and rights all at once, or we would
revolt. They slowly take one small bit at a time, with lots of
explaination as to why it is better this way, so most will say "That
seems reasonable."

"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
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Marty wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
t...

From The Washington Times:

"New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that
would make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York
City Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to
include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The
revision would make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses.
The bill is now being considered before the body's Agriculture

Committee.

"

Just remember that we as outdoorsmen need to find a way to stand
together.
If we as fishermen do not support the hunters and trappers, then when
they
come after fishing we will stand alone.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com


I don't know where the Washington Times picked up that ridiculous piece
of
horse****. Here's an excerpt from the bill:

"JUSTIFICATION: This legislation will extend the coverage of the felony
animal cruelty law to cover wildlife. Since the passage of the felony
animal cruelty there have been a number of egregious cases in which
wild
animals have been captured and tortured. This bill would allow these
cases
to be prosecuted under the felony animal cruelty statute. It is
important
to note that in no way would this change affect the lawful hunting or
trapping licensed by the Department of Environmental Conservation."

Did someone really believe that sport hunting would be made a punishable
offense?

Here's a link to the rest of it:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A01850



That is NOT an excerpt from the bill, but from a summary of the bill.
Not the actual language that a judge would be making a ruling from.



And all it takes is one judge with a minor tendency towards animal rights
activism to set a precedent that everybody thereafter would be forced to
live with.


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Is there any seriously organized group to counter these folks? I did a
google on the subject and only came up with a group who's goal it was to
make light of them. I also saw an aritcle where sheep farmers in Austraila
(where the animals outnumber the people) were in a battle with them because
Peta considers sheering the animals inappropriate !

--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Joshuall wrote:

Is there any seriously organized group to counter these folks? I did a
google on the subject and only came up with a group who's goal it was to
make light of them. I also saw an aritcle where sheep farmers in Austraila
(where the animals outnumber the people) were in a battle with them because
Peta considers sheering the animals inappropriate !

The NRA fights them on the hunting side. Most hunting groups, like the
Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks, Unlimited, Elks Unlimited fight them.
There are a couple of other groups that are starting to work -
Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus and the newly formed National Assembly
of Sportsmen's Caucuses are working against them. So far BASS, FLW and
other competitive fishing groups seem to be asleep - guess they don't
think they are a threat, but it seems to me the first thing for the anti
nuts to go after in fishing is tournaments.

Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Ronnie Garrison wrote:
Joshuall wrote:

Is there any seriously organized group to counter these folks? I did a
google on the subject and only came up with a group who's goal it was
to make light of them. I also saw an aritcle where sheep farmers in
Austraila (where the animals outnumber the people) were in a battle
with them because Peta considers sheering the animals inappropriate !

The NRA fights them on the hunting side. Most hunting groups, like the
Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks, Unlimited, Elks Unlimited fight them.
There are a couple of other groups that are starting to work -
Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus and the newly formed National Assembly
of Sportsmen's Caucuses are working against them. So far BASS, FLW and
other competitive fishing groups seem to be asleep - guess they don't
think they are a threat, but it seems to me the first thing for the anti
nuts to go after in fishing is tournaments.

Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

There is an excellent article in this month's Hunter magazine from the
NRA - just found it this
morning. The article "Who's Bankrolling the Enemy" talks about how
HSUS almost 61 million
revenue and PETA 17 million revenue get their money.

It also mentions another pro hunting and fishing group of a lot of
organizations - The U.S.
Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation - that if fighting the animal rights
flakes. Check it out at
http://www.ussportsmen.org/ - Most of the members are hunting
organizations - as I said, the
fishing organizations so far do not seem to recognize the threat.

Under "About Us" they say:
The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance (Fomerly the Wildlife Legislative Fund of
America 'WLFA')
provides direct lobbying and grassroots coalition support to protect and
advance the rights of
hunters, fishermen, trappers and scientific wildlife management
professionals. This is
accomplished through coalition building, ballot issue campaigning and
legislative and government
relations. Contributions to the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, a 501 (C) 4
organization, are not tax
deductible unless you are in an outdoors related industry.

The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation protects and defends America's
wildlife conservation
programs and the pursuits -- hunting, fishing and trapping -- which
generate the money to pay for
them. The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation is responsible for public
education, legal defense
and research. Its mission is accomplished through several distinct
programs, coordinated to
provide the most complete defense capability possible. Contributions to
the U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance Foundation, a 501(C) 3 organization, are tax deductible.