Ok, I've stayed out of the shared weight thread, But...
 

The Mid-Tenn Classic is set up as a team event where one boat can only have
five fish weighed in at the end of the day. This is pretty much the way that
we've had all of the MTC's so far and does promote a team effort to the
tournament. But it appears that some people are having conflicts about this
way of thinking.

So here's my question, and I'm open for anything. We want everyone to have a
good time and to put all indifferences aside, so would you like to see the
rules changed where the MTC is a one against one tournament or keep it a
team effort? It just takes about 3 minutes to alter the rules page, so let's
hear your vote and the majority will win.

Have fun y'all!

Charles I thought that it would be the same as Okeechobee was ..teams for
the first and second days plus single weigh for both days for individuals
for single champ.
I thought that Okeechobee was the way the MTC was always ran? but the teams
where allowed 10 fish per boat not just 5.
I would like to see it like Okeechobee was ran.
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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
The Mid-Tenn Classic is set up as a team event where one boat can only
have
five fish weighed in at the end of the day. This is pretty much the way
that
we've had all of the MTC's so far and does promote a team effort to the
tournament. But it appears that some people are having conflicts about
this
way of thinking.

So here's my question, and I'm open for anything. We want everyone to have
a
good time and to put all indifferences aside, so would you like to see the
rules changed where the MTC is a one against one tournament or keep it a
team effort? It just takes about 3 minutes to alter the rules page, so
let's
hear your vote and the majority will win.

Have fun y'all!

On 2005-03-13 01:32:19 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:

snip... would you like to see the rules changed where the MTC is a
one against one tournament or keep it a team effort?

New newsreader... Let's see how it posts. (Unison for Mac)

Refresh my memory.... what's the penalty again for bringing in dead
fish? Because if I put more than five bass in the ODF's livewell, I can
pretty much guarantee I'll have to eat the penalty (as well as the
fillets, eventually). I'm counting on me and my partner bringing in ten
bass per day on this thing if we each can weigh in five. Either that,
or I'll put them on a stringer and toss them over the side... which
doesn't do much for the survival rate either.

Actually, I've always enjoyed buddy tournaments... where both anglers
both contribute to the creel and share the prizes. Nothing at all wrong
with that format... there are probably a thousand buddy tournaments
held each week across the country during fishing seasons.

Having said that, though, I'm game for anything. Among this group, I
doubt competing against the guy on the other end of the boat will have
any impact on how freely we share advice, lures, casting deck space,
and likely targets.
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Well, I guess I know how the newsreader worked out... it didn't wrap the text.
I haven't found how to do that, so I'll just start using this thing
like a typewriter.

Chris brought up a good point.... it's worked well in the past. No plan
is going
to please everyone entirely, but this is a far cry from the topic
discussed in the
"shared weight" thread. That is not a buddy tournament... the MTC always has
been.

I vote for the team effort, cuts down the possibilities of hard
feelings.

I vote for the team effort, cuts down the possibilities of hard
feelings.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.



"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
The Mid-Tenn Classic is set up as a team event where one boat can only
have
five fish weighed in at the end of the day. This is pretty much the way
that
we've had all of the MTC's so far and does promote a team effort to the
tournament. But it appears that some people are having conflicts about
this
way of thinking.

So here's my question, and I'm open for anything. We want everyone to have
a
good time and to put all indifferences aside, so would you like to see the
rules changed where the MTC is a one against one tournament or keep it a
team effort? It just takes about 3 minutes to alter the rules page, so
let's
hear your vote and the majority will win.

Have fun y'all!

Personally I fish mostly team tournaments, and I feel it eliminates most
conflicts between boaters and non-boaters. Of course since I won't be
making it...

For a two day even I think a team format with random draws for boater and
non-boater and no team can fish together two days in a row makes it as level
as you can get.



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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
The Mid-Tenn Classic is set up as a team event where one boat can only
have
five fish weighed in at the end of the day. This is pretty much the way
that
we've had all of the MTC's so far and does promote a team effort to the
tournament. But it appears that some people are having conflicts about
this
way of thinking.

So here's my question, and I'm open for anything. We want everyone to have
a
good time and to put all indifferences aside, so would you like to see the
rules changed where the MTC is a one against one tournament or keep it a
team effort? It just takes about 3 minutes to alter the rules page, so
let's
hear your vote and the majority will win.

Have fun y'all!

For some reason you're listed on the roster as a non-boater. I knew your
boat wouldn't handle a 10 fish limit and checked the site before mentioning
this. Need me to change you to a boater? If so, the rules will stay the way
you wrote them three years ago. It's worked before, and no-one has
complained. Plus... what are the chances with Warren not attending that
we'll have ten fish anyway? LOL


"Joe Haubenreich" swljoe-at-secretweaponlures-dot-com wrote in message
news:2005031307033023017%swljoeatsecretweaponlures .
net...
On 2005-03-13 01:32:19 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:

snip... would you like to see the rules changed where the MTC is a
one against one tournament or keep it a team effort?

New newsreader... Let's see how it posts. (Unison for Mac)

Refresh my memory.... what's the penalty again for bringing in dead
fish? Because if I put more than five bass in the ODF's livewell, I can
pretty much guarantee I'll have to eat the penalty (as well as the
fillets, eventually). I'm counting on me and my partner bringing in ten
bass per day on this thing if we each can weigh in five. Either that,
or I'll put them on a stringer and toss them over the side... which
doesn't do much for the survival rate either.

Actually, I've always enjoyed buddy tournaments... where both anglers
both contribute to the creel and share the prizes. Nothing at all wrong
with that format... there are probably a thousand buddy tournaments
held each week across the country during fishing seasons.

Having said that, though, I'm game for anything. Among this group, I
doubt competing against the guy on the other end of the boat will have
any impact on how freely we share advice, lures, casting deck space,
and likely targets.
--
Joe
-------------------------
secretweaponlures.com
Secret Weapon Lures... first true
spinnerbait design innovation in 50 years!
--------------------------------------------------= 0"))))

On 2005-03-13 11:25:10 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:
snip
Need me to change you to a boater? If so, the rules will stay the way
you wrote them three years ago. It's worked before, and no-one has
complained. Plus... what are the chances with Warren not attending that
we'll have ten fish anyway? LOL


Yes, put me down as a boater. I'll haul the ODF down there, and whoever
comes in first place the first day has to go out with me the second day
as a handicap to level the playing field. :-)

Actually, Rickard ended up on the back end (bailing end) of the ODF in
the first Mid-TN Classic, and although we never got out of site of the
ramp, he ended up winning big fish and we took first place in the
event, too.

If it turns out we have enough boats, then I can just park it. Better
to have too many than too few.

Joe
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Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL


"Joe Haubenreich" swljoe-at-secretweaponlures-dot-com wrote in message
news:2005031313522316807%swljoeatsecretweaponlures .
net...
On 2005-03-13 11:25:10 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:
snip
Need me to change you to a boater? If so, the rules will stay the way
you wrote them three years ago. It's worked before, and no-one has
complained. Plus... what are the chances with Warren not attending that
we'll have ten fish anyway? LOL


Yes, put me down as a boater. I'll haul the ODF down there, and whoever
comes in first place the first day has to go out with me the second day
as a handicap to level the playing field. :-)

Actually, Rickard ended up on the back end (bailing end) of the ODF in
the first Mid-TN Classic, and although we never got out of site of the
ramp, he ended up winning big fish and we took first place in the
event, too.

If it turns out we have enough boats, then I can just park it. Better
to have too many than too few.

Joe
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Charles was this always just 5 fish limit and was changed just for last
year??? Memory not as good as it use to :)


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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL


"Joe Haubenreich" swljoe-at-secretweaponlures-dot-com wrote in message
news:2005031313522316807%swljoeatsecretweaponlures .
net...
On 2005-03-13 11:25:10 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:
snip
Need me to change you to a boater? If so, the rules will stay the way
you wrote them three years ago. It's worked before, and no-one has
complained. Plus... what are the chances with Warren not attending that
we'll have ten fish anyway? LOL


Yes, put me down as a boater. I'll haul the ODF down there, and whoever
comes in first place the first day has to go out with me the second day
as a handicap to level the playing field. :-)

Actually, Rickard ended up on the back end (bailing end) of the ODF in
the first Mid-TN Classic, and although we never got out of site of the
ramp, he ended up winning big fish and we took first place in the
event, too.

If it turns out we have enough boats, then I can just park it. Better
to have too many than too few.

Joe
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Secret Weapon Lures... first true
spinnerbait design innovation in 50 years!
--------------------------------------------------= 0"))))

The Southern Classic was done by Moe Conway and Doc, and we had nothing to
do with the rules for that one. The rules for the Mid-Tenn Classic were
written by Joe in 2001 with only minor changes since.


"Chris S" wrote in message
...
Charles was this always just 5 fish limit and was changed just for last
year??? Memory not as good as it use to :)


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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five
fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL


"Joe Haubenreich" swljoe-at-secretweaponlures-dot-com wrote in message

news:2005031313522316807%swljoeatsecretweaponlures .
net...
On 2005-03-13 11:25:10 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:
snip
Need me to change you to a boater? If so, the rules will stay the way
you wrote them three years ago. It's worked before, and no-one has
complained. Plus... what are the chances with Warren not attending
that
we'll have ten fish anyway? LOL


Yes, put me down as a boater. I'll haul the ODF down there, and whoever
comes in first place the first day has to go out with me the second day
as a handicap to level the playing field. :-)

Actually, Rickard ended up on the back end (bailing end) of the ODF in
the first Mid-TN Classic, and although we never got out of site of the
ramp, he ended up winning big fish and we took first place in the
event, too.

If it turns out we have enough boats, then I can just park it. Better
to have too many than too few.

Joe
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Secret Weapon Lures... first true
spinnerbait design innovation in 50 years!
--------------------------------------------------= 0"))))

Charles Ok I didnt know that was the case, then 5 it is :) Cya in April
then
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"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
The Southern Classic was done by Moe Conway and Doc, and we had nothing to
do with the rules for that one. The rules for the Mid-Tenn Classic were
written by Joe in 2001 with only minor changes since.

Charles B. Summers wrote:

Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL

OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?

Ronnie Garrison wrote:

Charles B. Summers wrote:

Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five
fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL

OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?

OH, do you remember the three fish per person, six fish per boat limit
at Center Hill in 2003?

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Ronnie Garrison wrote:

Ronnie Garrison wrote:

Charles B. Summers wrote:

Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five
fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL

OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?


OH, do you remember the three fish per person, six fish per boat limit
at Center Hill in 2003?

make that 2002 - my how the time flies.

I don't know about the Fritz/Warren thing, but maybe I have my notes around
here somewhere that I can check.

But, the prize distribution is 65% to the first place team and 35% to the
second place team. Ties broken by big fish between the two.

Big fish pot will be 100% for the single largest fish caught during the two
days.


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .
Charles B. Summers wrote:

Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five
fish
limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL

OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?

I just went over those old notes and that's what caught my attention. That
three fish limit that everyone hated!

BTW: Here are the results of that year:

Friday
1st Place Team: Warren Wolk and Gil Daughtry
2nd Place Team: Ronnie Garrison and Fritz Nordengren

Saturday:
1st Place Team: Warren Wolk and Sean Barton
2nd Place Team: (Tie) Charles Summers and Moe Conway, Joe Haubenreich and
Fritz Nordengren

Total Weights:

Doc: 2.75
Warren: 12.38
Moe: 7.17
Ronnie: 8.39
Fritz: 2.70
Sean: 1.74
Charles: 2.62
Steve: 1.48
Dave: 0.00
Gil: 0.00
Jerry: 0.00
Ken: 0.00
Vern: 0.00




"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
. ..

Ronnie Garrison wrote:
OH, do you remember the three fish per person, six fish per boat limit
at Center Hill in 2003?

make that 2002 - my how the time flies.

So there are no individual prizes this year?

Ronnie

Charles B. Summers wrote:

I don't know about the Fritz/Warren thing, but maybe I have my notes around
here somewhere that I can check.

But, the prize distribution is 65% to the first place team and 35% to the
second place team. Ties broken by big fish between the two.

Big fish pot will be 100% for the single largest fish caught during the two
days.


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .

Charles B. Summers wrote:


Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five

fish

limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL


OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?





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Ronnie Garrison wrote:
So there are no individual prizes this year?

Ronnie

Charles B. Summers wrote:

I don't know about the Fritz/Warren thing, but maybe I have my notes
around
here somewhere that I can check.

But, the prize distribution is 65% to the first place team and 35% to the
second place team. Ties broken by big fish between the two.

Big fish pot will be 100% for the single largest fish caught during
the two
days.


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .

Charles B. Summers wrote:


Will do!

And since only one person had an objection to the rule about the five


fish

limit, we're going to keep it the same with no changes.

Sorry Chris... LOL


OK, now I am confused. The boat limit is 5, not an individual limit?
Then how did Fritz and Warren each weigh in five fish while fishing
together the second day of the Dale Hollow tournament? And how do you
decide individual prizes as has been done in the past?






Hmmm, I hope I didn't cause all of this MTC stuff by my shared weight
opinions. My biggest problem of all with it was what Velvick said,
about a back boater, missing a fish, and requesting the pro to pitch
back in there to catch that fish. I just don't get what kind of
satisfaction you can get out of that. I don't see how you can say you
did anything to win. If you just fish tournaments for monetary reasons,
then I guess that is fine, but I guess I am just motivated by something
else.

Again these were just my opinions, and of course B.A.S.S said they used
a lot of focus groups to determine if this was a good idea. I can bet
that the people with a competitive edge in their blood hated the idea,
and the pros are like..eh. Now like mentioned earlier, they don't have
to worry about back boating the amateur.

Chris

Well Steve is working on a nice dropshot rod this year...


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .
So there are no individual prizes this year?

Ronnie

I don't really care what the rules are, I just want to know so I can
follow them. I will fish no matter what is decided.

BUT - the rules state:
Scoring - The pounds and ounces of each teams catch during the
tournament will determine tournament standings. Only largemouth, spotted
(Kentucky), and smallmouth bass will be weighed. The creel limit will be
5 fish per boat, (5 per boat). At no time shall any team have in their
livewell more than the tournament limit.

So no more than five fish in any boat for the two fishermen. How does
this work with individual prizes?

If Charles has five two pound bass and his partner then catches a 2.5
and a 3, they are going to cull. Charles would have had 10 pounds
individually, he now has 6. Say I catch five 1.5 pound fish and my
partner does not catch a fish. Do I beat Charles for individual weigh -
I will have 7.5 pounds in the five I can bring in.

Maybe I have been tournament director in my clubs for too long, but I
just want to make sure I understand the rules. I am about due for a 2
day Zero, so it probalby won't matter.

Ronnie


Charles B. Summers wrote:

Well Steve is working on a nice dropshot rod this year...


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .

So there are no individual prizes this year?

Ronnie

You raise some great points here Ronnie that I'm going to have to defer to
Joe... Maybe I can get him to chime in.


"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .
I don't really care what the rules are, I just want to know so I can
follow them. I will fish no matter what is decided.

BUT - the rules state:
Scoring - The pounds and ounces of each teams catch during the
tournament will determine tournament standings. Only largemouth, spotted
(Kentucky), and smallmouth bass will be weighed. The creel limit will be
5 fish per boat, (5 per boat). At no time shall any team have in their
livewell more than the tournament limit.

So no more than five fish in any boat for the two fishermen. How does
this work with individual prizes?

If Charles has five two pound bass and his partner then catches a 2.5
and a 3, they are going to cull. Charles would have had 10 pounds
individually, he now has 6. Say I catch five 1.5 pound fish and my
partner does not catch a fish. Do I beat Charles for individual weigh -
I will have 7.5 pounds in the five I can bring in.

Maybe I have been tournament director in my clubs for too long, but I
just want to make sure I understand the rules. I am about due for a 2
day Zero, so it probalby won't matter.

Ronnie

I agree with Ronnie on this one
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"Ronnie Garrison" wrote in message
.. .
I don't really care what the rules are, I just want to know so I can follow
them. I will fish no matter what is decided.

BUT - the rules state:
Scoring - The pounds and ounces of each teams catch during the tournament
will determine tournament standings. Only largemouth, spotted (Kentucky),
and smallmouth bass will be weighed. The creel limit will be 5 fish per
boat, (5 per boat). At no time shall any team have in their livewell more
than the tournament limit.

So no more than five fish in any boat for the two fishermen. How does this
work with individual prizes?

If Charles has five two pound bass and his partner then catches a 2.5 and
a 3, they are going to cull. Charles would have had 10 pounds
individually, he now has 6. Say I catch five 1.5 pound fish and my partner
does not catch a fish. Do I beat Charles for individual weigh - I will
have 7.5 pounds in the five I can bring in.

Maybe I have been tournament director in my clubs for too long, but I just
want to make sure I understand the rules. I am about due for a 2 day
Zero, so it probalby won't matter.

Ronnie

You have already proven that with me Joe. I'll partner up with you anyday


"Joe Haubenreich" swljoe-at-secretweaponlures-dot-com wrote in message
news:2005031307033023017%swljoeatsecretweaponlures ...
On 2005-03-13 01:32:19 -0600, "Charles B. Summers"
said:

snip... would you like to see the rules changed where the MTC is a one
against one tournament or keep it a team effort?

New newsreader... Let's see how it posts. (Unison for Mac)

Refresh my memory.... what's the penalty again for bringing in dead fish?
Because if I put more than five bass in the ODF's livewell, I can pretty
much guarantee I'll have to eat the penalty (as well as the fillets,
eventually). I'm counting on me and my partner bringing in ten bass per
day on this thing if we each can weigh in five. Either that, or I'll put
them on a stringer and toss them over the side... which doesn't do much
for the survival rate either.

Actually, I've always enjoyed buddy tournaments... where both anglers both
contribute to the creel and share the prizes. Nothing at all wrong with
that format... there are probably a thousand buddy tournaments held each
week across the country during fishing seasons.

Having said that, though, I'm game for anything. Among this group, I doubt
competing against the guy on the other end of the boat will have any
impact on how freely we share advice, lures, casting deck space, and
likely targets.
--
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-------------------------
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Secret Weapon Lures... first true spinnerbait design innovation in 50
years!
--------------------------------------------------= 0"))))

I'm torn seeing the virtue and the downside of both versions. Perhaps a
hybrid . . . the non boater must land at least one fish . . two fish ? I
dunno.

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God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Ok lets stop this nonsense right now. here is how it will go.

1. we get together and draw/select teams for day 1

2. Everyone fish's hard, we get back to the launch and we BS about this fish
and that fish and a couple fish will even be weighed. We all talk about how
lousy it is that the rain/cold front moved in and how the fish shut down

3. We BS about this fish and that fish and we drink and eat. Everyone
decides that the lure from the guy who caught two fish is the lure to go to.

3. Awards after day 1, still anyone's game for day two We draw partners for
day two

4. We drink some more. Still anyone's game

5. sleep,wake up and fish hard again. Some will catch a few and some will
not. We get back we weigh fish and we eat and drink some more.

6. We laugh, we laugh some more. We BS about this fish and that fish and we
go to the awards ceremony. Somebody wins and no one is disapointed at the
results.

7, we all go home counting the months to the NWC

If your coming to the MTC with just winning a tourney in mind, you might be
disapointed. On the other hand if your coming for good times and some time
out on the water with people that for the most part you talk with over this
NG, you will get more out of it then you could ever imagine. Good people,
good times and even some fishing thrown in.


That being said, Victory is MINE!!!!!! :-)

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Personally I fish mostly team tournaments, and I feel it eliminates most
conflicts between boaters and non-boaters. Of course since I won't be
making it...

For a two day even I think a team format with random draws for boater and
non-boater and no team can fish together two days in a row makes it as
level
as you can get.



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** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
The Mid-Tenn Classic is set up as a team event where one boat can only
have
five fish weighed in at the end of the day. This is pretty much the way
that
we've had all of the MTC's so far and does promote a team effort to the
tournament. But it appears that some people are having conflicts about
this
way of thinking.

So here's my question, and I'm open for anything. We want everyone to
have
a
good time and to put all indifferences aside, so would you like to see
the
rules changed where the MTC is a one against one tournament or keep it a
team effort? It just takes about 3 minutes to alter the rules page, so
let's
hear your vote and the majority will win.

Have fun y'all!

Very well said, Randy... except that last line.


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...


That being said, Victory is MINE!!!!!! :-)

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Hell Charles, my money is on you..or Joe, all I do know for certain is I
will be on the back of the Nitro on day two, that's a given
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Very well said, Randy... except that last line.


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...


That being said, Victory is MINE!!!!!! :-)

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Thank You Randy, and you're always welcome on my boat!


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...

Hell Charles, my money is on you..or Joe, all I do know for certain is I
will be on the back of the Nitro on day two, that's a given
"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Very well said, Randy... except that last line.


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...


That being said, Victory is MINE!!!!!! :-)

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