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D-Barb
I know a few of you in here have seen me use this little item a couple of
times and I think it's awesome. I like to promote it, even though I have no affiliation with the company, because it works, and it saves fish. With the Classic coming up, I'll have mine to show anyone how great it works. http://www.dbarb.com/ -- Jerry Barton www.jerrys-world.com |
On 2005-03-14 23:45:03 -0600, "Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\)"
said: I know a few of you in here have seen me use this little item snip The testimonial offered on one Web page was pretty compelling, too. There are some soft baits that bass seem to take down their gullets immediately. Being a line-watcher and trying to set the hook faster is the usual advice, but no matter how hard I try, a few bass end up gut-hooked. Needle-nost pliers have a wire cutter, but often it's not in a good position to reach the hook. Looks like it should do the job, Jerry. Good leverage on the cutting blades and a long handle to reach far back in the gullet... coated for a secure grip... They just need to add a ring to one end of the grip to clip on a lanyard. -- Joe ------------------------- secretweaponlures.com Secret Weapon Lures... first true spinnerbait design innovation in 50 years! --------------------------------------------------= 0")))) |
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Looks like a good idea. I'll check it out at the classic.
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"Rich P" wrote in
: If you de-barb before you fish, you may land a lot fewer fish. This is no good in a tournament. Even us C&R bass guys need to fill the livewell sometimes. Rich P Agreed, but how much fishing do you do in tournaments, as opposed to practicing for tournaments, or even just plain old recreational fishing? -- this is a group in the "rec" hierarchy after all. Scott |
On 16 Mar 2005 00:26:45 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: "Rich P" wrote in : If you de-barb before you fish, you may land a lot fewer fish. This is no good in a tournament. Even us C&R bass guys need to fill the livewell sometimes. Rich P Agreed, but how much fishing do you do in tournaments, as opposed to practicing for tournaments, or even just plain old recreational fishing? -- this is a group in the "rec" hierarchy after all. Scott Did you even bother to go and look at the tool? I think not. If you had gone to the link provided initially, we would not be having this discussion right now. And you would not be pluckin' my nerves as my Nana used to say. Here it is again http://www.dbarb.com/ so you can see WTF you are talking about. Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
Thundercat wrote in
: Did you even bother to go and look at the tool? I think not. If you had gone to the link provided initially, we would not be having this discussion right now. And you would not be pluckin' my nerves as my Nana used to say. Here it is again http://www.dbarb.com/ so you can see WTF you are talking about. Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. Of course I went and looked at the tool. In fact, how else would I have known from this thread that debarbing takes place in the fish? It calls for more handling of the fish than using hooks that have already been debarbed. Also, if the point is buried deep in flesh (the fish's or yours), this tool isn't going to get the barb without a bunch of messing around. Which part of that plucks your nerves? IMO, a recreational C&R fisherman should consider debarbing his hooks. While release mortality is very hard to measure well in natural conditions, I go under the assumption that fishing with barbs increases mortality. This tool might alleviate some of it, but likely not all of it. Even with debarbed hooks, there will still be some mortality. There are some valid arguments for not debarbing, and relying on this tool. I'll even present some. 1) "It's more expensive to maintain two sets of hooks if I want to use barbed hooks for tournament fishing." 2) "If I have two sets of hooks, I might use the wrong one when the money is on the line." 3) "There's some studies that suggest that debarbed hooks cause more damage by impaling deeper and causing multiple punctures at one site, so I don't use debarbed hooks." 4) "I think C&R mortality is low enough, even with barbed hooks, that I don't think using debarbed hooks is important". 5) "I don't care that using debarbed hooks will result in even lower mortality than using this tool". Even 6) " I couldn't care less about fish mortality" is a valid argument. Suggesting that I don't know WTF I'm talking about isn't (and if frankly offensive). Turning this around, have you EVER fished with debarbed hooks? If not, couldn't I say that YOU might be a tad deficient in knowing what you're talking about? I'm happy to keep this going, politely. Like it or not, even C&R fishing is a blood sport. How to minimize fish mortality is certainly a valid topic for this group. It's also something that every responsible fisherman should think about sometimes. If you knew that mortality was 0%, and every fish you released lived, you'd probably think about your sport a little differently than you would if you knew that release mortality was 100%, and every fish you released died. Well, the true answer is somewhere in between those two extremes. I'll put it out again. If you're fishing recreationally, and how many fish you boat isn't important, why leave the barbs on your hook if you have any reason to think that it will save some fish to pinch them back? Scott |
Scott, you do a some valid points. My reason for posting this originally was
so that those who do hook a fish deep have a tool to help release without injury. It's help tremendously for me in the past, and I'll continue to carry it in my tackle box. As far as using de-barbed hooks, to me that would be the same as taking a gun hunting without bullets, I can beat the prey to death, but I think I could take it down easier if I had used bullets. With barbed hooks I have more of a chance of getting the fish to the boat, and then I can release it unharmed. This tool has saved many a fish that probably would had died after release, or even before a weigh-in. Some of the guys in my club have actually came over to my boat during a tournament to use this tool. Using de-barbed hooks or not will always be a pro/con situation that'll be carried on after we're all gone, so there's no winners in the conversation. "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Thundercat wrote in : Did you even bother to go and look at the tool? I think not. If you had gone to the link provided initially, we would not be having this discussion right now. And you would not be pluckin' my nerves as my Nana used to say. Here it is again http://www.dbarb.com/ so you can see WTF you are talking about. Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. Of course I went and looked at the tool. In fact, how else would I have known from this thread that debarbing takes place in the fish? It calls for more handling of the fish than using hooks that have already been debarbed. Also, if the point is buried deep in flesh (the fish's or yours), this tool isn't going to get the barb without a bunch of messing around. Which part of that plucks your nerves? IMO, a recreational C&R fisherman should consider debarbing his hooks. While release mortality is very hard to measure well in natural conditions, I go under the assumption that fishing with barbs increases mortality. This tool might alleviate some of it, but likely not all of it. Even with debarbed hooks, there will still be some mortality. There are some valid arguments for not debarbing, and relying on this tool. I'll even present some. 1) "It's more expensive to maintain two sets of hooks if I want to use barbed hooks for tournament fishing." 2) "If I have two sets of hooks, I might use the wrong one when the money is on the line." 3) "There's some studies that suggest that debarbed hooks cause more damage by impaling deeper and causing multiple punctures at one site, so I don't use debarbed hooks." 4) "I think C&R mortality is low enough, even with barbed hooks, that I don't think using debarbed hooks is important". 5) "I don't care that using debarbed hooks will result in even lower mortality than using this tool". Even 6) " I couldn't care less about fish mortality" is a valid argument. Suggesting that I don't know WTF I'm talking about isn't (and if frankly offensive). Turning this around, have you EVER fished with debarbed hooks? If not, couldn't I say that YOU might be a tad deficient in knowing what you're talking about? I'm happy to keep this going, politely. Like it or not, even C&R fishing is a blood sport. How to minimize fish mortality is certainly a valid topic for this group. It's also something that every responsible fisherman should think about sometimes. If you knew that mortality was 0%, and every fish you released lived, you'd probably think about your sport a little differently than you would if you knew that release mortality was 100%, and every fish you released died. Well, the true answer is somewhere in between those two extremes. I'll put it out again. If you're fishing recreationally, and how many fish you boat isn't important, why leave the barbs on your hook if you have any reason to think that it will save some fish to pinch them back? Scott |
Jerry Barton (NervisRek) wrote:
Scott, you do a some valid points. My reason for posting this originally was so that those who do hook a fish deep have a tool to help release without injury. It's help tremendously for me in the past, and I'll continue to carry it in my tackle box. As far as using de-barbed hooks, Here is the best thing I have found to remove those deep set hooks, even when they are out of site, this thing safely removes them http://www.ezfishin.com/ -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
On 16 Mar 2005 15:30:16 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: It calls for more handling of the fish than using hooks that have already been debarbed. If you used the D-Barb tool on the hooks prior to fishing, you simply wouldn't catch any. It cuts the whole tip off. But you already knew that because you checked out the site. Although I am sure you can understand why I might think otherwise based on your insightful comments above. Just removing the barb from the hook would be an altogether different discussion that has nothing to do with the D-Barb tool. Knowing the above, the rest of the discussion is moot IMO. lmb2xesad Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
Thundercat wrote in
: On 16 Mar 2005 15:30:16 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: It calls for more handling of the fish than using hooks that have already been debarbed. If you used the D-Barb tool on the hooks prior to fishing, you simply wouldn't catch any. It cuts the whole tip off. But you already knew that because you checked out the site. Although I am sure you can understand why I might think otherwise based on your insightful comments above. Just removing the barb from the hook would be an altogether different discussion that has nothing to do with the D-Barb tool. Knowing the above, the rest of the discussion is moot IMO. lmb2xesad Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. Man, you're hard to talk to. First, there are plenty of ways to debarb hooks other than this tool. Most people who debarb either use barbless hooks, or just use a needlenose without serrations to pinch the barb over. I never would have thought to go out and buy a $20 tool to pinch off a barb. Next, on the d-barb homepage, the two cartoon hooks drawn on the page show hooks with tips intact, but with the pointy part of the barb missing. Perhaps this gave me the impression that the tool could remove barbs without removing tips, but I still wouldn't use it to debarb a hook before its buried in the fish. I think I've seen some other photos or drawings like this on their page, but it's a nasty page to navigate-- their web- designer, burnette solutions, must be one of the last professional web group in the world to still use frames, and the media player version of the movie wouldn't download--but that really is moot. I've had two polite replies from people who have obviously managed to pick up on the point I've been making (but the next time I land a 22" trout on a size 18 barbless hook with a 5x tippet, I'll chuckle about Jerry's "hunting without bullets" comment--BTW, Jerry, if you're ever in western NY, drop me a line, and maybe we can get one of those monsters on the end of your line). Silly me, I thought that I could talk about C&R mortality in a thread started by someone who is trying to spread a product that decreases C&R mortality. If you're still having trouble deciding whether or not my original reply was on topic, I'll spell it out for you. Look at what I replied to originally. Joe was talking about the testimonials. One paragraph in those testimonials read: "This fish had really swallowed the hook with only the last half inch or so visable. It was bleeding and I felt the best I could do was to reach down as far as possible (quite easy with the D-Barb)(sic) and just snip off the hook. Of course I don't know what the long term effect on the fish will be but I felt that I would have had a hard time cutting the hook as closely as I did with diagonal cutters, especially as deep as it was." If that angler had been using barbless hooks in the first place, that fish wouldn't have swam away with a hook in it. If you still can't follow, here it is (limiting myself to two syllable words): Jerry nicely posted that using this tool saves fish. My reply was that fishing with barbless hooks in the first place would save even more fish. I'm afraid I can't get much simpler-- my keyboard has keys, not crayons. As a last point, to consider, I've read about some fly fishermen who cut off their points, as the ultimate in C&R fishing. In fact, one company used to sell a Touch And Go hook, with an eye where the point would be, to decrease the chance that a fish could be injured by a hook with the point cut off. Of course, this makes absolutely no sense to do for bass fishing (and I wouldn't even suggest it--but point this out to show that there are people that fish with no points), but it can be pretty exciting for dry fly fishing. Scott |
I know that fly fishermen have been using de-barbed hooks for a long time,
but, correct me if I'm wrong, since I've never fly fished, I believe the Bass fight a lot harder than a trout would ????? "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Thundercat wrote in : On 16 Mar 2005 15:30:16 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: It calls for more handling of the fish than using hooks that have already been debarbed. If you used the D-Barb tool on the hooks prior to fishing, you simply wouldn't catch any. It cuts the whole tip off. But you already knew that because you checked out the site. Although I am sure you can understand why I might think otherwise based on your insightful comments above. Just removing the barb from the hook would be an altogether different discussion that has nothing to do with the D-Barb tool. Knowing the above, the rest of the discussion is moot IMO. lmb2xesad Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. Man, you're hard to talk to. First, there are plenty of ways to debarb hooks other than this tool. Most people who debarb either use barbless hooks, or just use a needlenose without serrations to pinch the barb over. I never would have thought to go out and buy a $20 tool to pinch off a barb. Next, on the d-barb homepage, the two cartoon hooks drawn on the page show hooks with tips intact, but with the pointy part of the barb missing. Perhaps this gave me the impression that the tool could remove barbs without removing tips, but I still wouldn't use it to debarb a hook before its buried in the fish. I think I've seen some other photos or drawings like this on their page, but it's a nasty page to navigate-- their web- designer, burnette solutions, must be one of the last professional web group in the world to still use frames, and the media player version of the movie wouldn't download--but that really is moot. I've had two polite replies from people who have obviously managed to pick up on the point I've been making (but the next time I land a 22" trout on a size 18 barbless hook with a 5x tippet, I'll chuckle about Jerry's "hunting without bullets" comment--BTW, Jerry, if you're ever in western NY, drop me a line, and maybe we can get one of those monsters on the end of your line). Silly me, I thought that I could talk about C&R mortality in a thread started by someone who is trying to spread a product that decreases C&R mortality. If you're still having trouble deciding whether or not my original reply was on topic, I'll spell it out for you. Look at what I replied to originally. Joe was talking about the testimonials. One paragraph in those testimonials read: "This fish had really swallowed the hook with only the last half inch or so visable. It was bleeding and I felt the best I could do was to reach down as far as possible (quite easy with the D-Barb)(sic) and just snip off the hook. Of course I don't know what the long term effect on the fish will be but I felt that I would have had a hard time cutting the hook as closely as I did with diagonal cutters, especially as deep as it was." If that angler had been using barbless hooks in the first place, that fish wouldn't have swam away with a hook in it. If you still can't follow, here it is (limiting myself to two syllable words): Jerry nicely posted that using this tool saves fish. My reply was that fishing with barbless hooks in the first place would save even more fish. I'm afraid I can't get much simpler-- my keyboard has keys, not crayons. As a last point, to consider, I've read about some fly fishermen who cut off their points, as the ultimate in C&R fishing. In fact, one company used to sell a Touch And Go hook, with an eye where the point would be, to decrease the chance that a fish could be injured by a hook with the point cut off. Of course, this makes absolutely no sense to do for bass fishing (and I wouldn't even suggest it--but point this out to show that there are people that fish with no points), but it can be pretty exciting for dry fly fishing. Scott |
On 16 Mar 2005 23:53:00 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: Like I said: Just removing the barb from the hook would be an altogether different discussion that has nothing to do with the D-Barb tool snip the rest of your mumbo jumbo These are the statements I responded to initially: quote Shouldn't a C&R Fisherman debarb the hook BEFORE its in the fish? /quote and quote Agreed, but how much fishing do you do in tournaments, as opposed to practicing for tournaments, or even just plain old recreational fishing? -- this is a group in the "rec" hierarchy after all. /quote You can talk you self in circles if you want to. Bottom line, your initial two posts of 'holier than thou' rhetoric were simply Fortenberryish (cheap shot, sorry). So in closing I would just like to say: I know you are but what am I Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
"Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\)" wrote in
: I know that fly fishermen have been using de-barbed hooks for a long time, but, correct me if I'm wrong, since I've never fly fished, I believe the Bass fight a lot harder than a trout would ????? They might, but your gear is a lot tougher to. Bass on serious tackle don't take line like a trout does. You hook 'em, and you horse 'em in. For trout, it's fairly common to hook an 18" fish on a size 18 hook, using 6x tippet rated for about 3 pounds. You might end up taking 10 minutes to bring a fish like that to your hand. How many times have you fought a bass for 10 minutes? Don't forget that cold water holds more oxygen, so the fish can fight longer. I caught a 27" hen brown trout on a debarbed hook, using fairly heavy tackle. I took a 13 pound steelie this winter, standing in the Salmon River with ice forming on my rod guides, on a barbless hook. Guaranteed, both of those fish fought harder than 95% of the bass you've caught. Fish like that can take you into your backing a couple of times during a fight. Also, don't forget that by law, we can't use more than one hook point on Ontario tribs. Yeah, fish get away sometimes, but I'm having fun anyway. Scott |
Thundercat wrote in
: You can talk you self in circles if you want to. Bottom line, your initial two posts of 'holier than thou' rhetoric ... I have respect for any fisherman or hunter that follows whatever law that happens to be in place where they are pursuing their sport. Granted, I might clue in a C&R fisherman who uses barbless hooks to a few more of my honey holes than a guy who keeps his fish. The next time you're fishing, and there's no money on the line, try pinching down your barbs. When you've fished this way for a while, take a step back and decide whether more fish got away. Even if they did, if its not tournament fishing, is it really going to kill you to boat 4 fish instead of 5? More of the fish you catch will be around for other guys to catch. Scott |
Rodney,
Not meaning to be snide, well maybe a little, but did you invent it? Bob La Londe www.yumabassman.com "Rodney" wrote in message ... Jerry Barton (NervisRek) wrote: Scott, you do a some valid points. My reason for posting this originally was so that those who do hook a fish deep have a tool to help release without injury. It's help tremendously for me in the past, and I'll continue to carry it in my tackle box. As far as using de-barbed hooks, Here is the best thing I have found to remove those deep set hooks, even when they are out of site, this thing safely removes them http://www.ezfishin.com/ -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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