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Bolt Action or Double Rifle?
This is a question for all you Dangerous Game and African Safari Hunters out there. Which is your preference in an overall Dangerous Game Rifle? Would you choose a Classic Bolt Action rifle in one of the big bore caliber? .375 H&H on up? Or would you go for one of the expensive Double Barrell Big Bore rifles? The common arguments are that Bolt Actions tend to be stronger have greater accuracy and versatility while the doubles are more reliable in a dangerous situation. Would love to hear your view. Carmelo www.WorldShooter.com Hunting and Shooting Forums Internet Portal for Firearms Enthusiasts. |
wrote in message oups.com... This is a question for all you Dangerous Game and African Safari Hunters out there. Which is your preference in an overall Dangerous Game Rifle? Would you choose a Classic Bolt Action rifle in one of the big bore caliber? .375 H&H on up? Or would you go for one of the expensive Double Barrell Big Bore rifles? The common arguments are that Bolt Actions tend to be stronger have greater accuracy and versatility while the doubles are more reliable in a dangerous situation. Would love to hear your view. Cone head woolly bugger on a heavy tippet. Knocking them down is only the first step........you have to be able to retrieve the game. Wolfgang who remains surprised that even the simplest concepts have to be explained in excruciating detail again and again and again and again.......,. |
Wolfgang wrote:
Cone head woolly bugger on a heavy tippet. Knocking them down is only the first step........you have to be able to retrieve the game. Well sure, but I'd say a lead-eyed Clouser would be a better bet. It's more streamlined, so it carries better and flies straighter. Of course, it could be that we are arguing apples and oranges here. What sorts of big game do you usually chase on the Cheesehead Savannah? Chuck Vance (a fair-to-middling game hunter myself) |
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: Cone head woolly bugger on a heavy tippet. Knocking them down is only the first step........you have to be able to retrieve the game. Well sure, but I'd say a lead-eyed Clouser would be a better bet. It's more streamlined, so it carries better and flies straighter. Of course, it could be that we are arguing apples and oranges here. What sorts of big game do you usually chase on the Cheesehead Savannah? Spotted buffalo: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/holstein/ Chuck Vance (a fair-to-middling game hunter myself) Wait till you try taking one of these babies on a 7 wt.! Wolfgang who, loathe to argue with success, intends to stick with the woolly buggers......in a sorta grass green color. |
wrote in message oups.com... This is a question for all you Dangerous Game and African Safari Hunters out there. Which is your preference in an overall Dangerous Game Rifle? Would you choose a Classic Bolt Action rifle in one of the big bore caliber? .375 H&H on up? Or would you go for one of the expensive Double Barrell Big Bore rifles? ah, carmelo, you bring to mind an argument that papa hemingway and i spent many a gin and tonic arguing about. papa was always a proponent of the big booms, the .470, the .505 gibbs, in double conformation, of course. bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... lord wayno |
"Wayne Harrison"wrote: bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... If I ever get so ****ed off at a lion that I have to kill him, I won't settle for anything less than a 90mm recoilless rifle (second generation bazooka). http://www.big-boys.com/articles/huntlion.html |
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"Charlie Wilson" wrote: "Wayne Harrison"wrote: bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... If I ever get so ****ed off at a lion that I have to kill him, I won't settle for anything less than a 90mm recoilless rifle (second generation bazooka). http://www.big-boys.com/articles/huntlion.html How about a back-pack Gatling gun like the one in the first Predator movie? Now THERE'S some firepower! Lest you doubt: http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm...anual/saws.htm From the page: "Admittedly, the M134 were meant for mounted applications and never intend to be hand-held. Stembridge Gun Rentals, which provided firearms for film productions from 1916 to 1999, modified at least two real M134 for use in films such as 'Predator' and 'Terminator 2'. The cyclic rate was reduced to 1700rpm in order to reduce torque and to lower the voltage required to power the motor which rotates the barrels. When Stembridge quit the gun rental business due to the oppressive legal climate in California, their set of modified M134 were placed up for sale. For $125,000, a qualified individual could buy one, including the associated movie props, spare parts, and live barrels. For additional money, Stembridge's Minigun wrangler Dan Sprague would provide instruction on its use and maintenance." -- "What it all comes to is that the whole structure of space flight as it stands now is creaking, obsolecent, over-elaborate, decaying. The field is static; no, worse than that, it's losing ground. By this time, our ships ought to be sleeker and faster, and able to carry bigger payloads. We ought to have done away with this dichotomy between ships that can land on a planet, and ships that can fly from one planet to another." - Senator Bliss Wagoner James Blish - _They Shall Have Stars_ |
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:12:08 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... This is a question for all you Dangerous Game and African Safari Hunters out there. Which is your preference in an overall Dangerous Game Rifle? Would you choose a Classic Bolt Action rifle in one of the big bore caliber? .375 H&H on up? Or would you go for one of the expensive Double Barrell Big Bore rifles? ah, carmelo, you bring to mind an argument that papa hemingway and i spent many a gin and tonic arguing about. papa was always a proponent of the big booms, the .470, the .505 gibbs, in double conformation, of course. bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... lord wayno Pish-posh, and a "whoa-nelly," for good measure. In my experience in the scrum of the hunt vis-a-vis dangerous game, my man Frothlingham always knows to forward the No. 2 H & H Royal, the latter of the pair, as I've found I prefer it. I realise the rifles are matched, but I find the latter better-regulated in the closer ranges than the other. YMMV, of course. That said, I would rely on Father's old Rigby .416 magazine rifle, should I find it necessary. OTOH, Idi Amin swore by Kalishnikovs and RPGs, so if one can't trust a bloodthirsty native cannibal, who can one trust. And by-the-by, yer lairdshippiness, why would one be hunting with wog pushers on the Dark Continent - are we an equal-opportunity colonialist, or do we just prefer wogs to, er, natives? HTH (Hunting The Hippopotamuses), The Marquess of Mortadella ....of course, the .600 Tyranosaur seems quite the load...much as the original post. |
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No ordinary man can run one of those babies. That hombre weidling those 6
barrels spitting death is none other than Minnesotas former govenor - Jessie Ventura, the man we need in the White House. The M134 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/m134.htm has a 28 volt motor that took about 120 amps to run it. Jessie was a good many to carry that gun around but he would have been better if he could have carried the battery. "Joe Ellis" wrote in message ... In article , "Charlie Wilson" wrote: "Wayne Harrison"wrote: bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... If I ever get so ****ed off at a lion that I have to kill him, I won't settle for anything less than a 90mm recoilless rifle (second generation bazooka). http://www.big-boys.com/articles/huntlion.html How about a back-pack Gatling gun like the one in the first Predator movie? Now THERE'S some firepower! Lest you doubt: http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm...anual/saws.htm From the page: "Admittedly, the M134 were meant for mounted applications and never intend to be hand-held. Stembridge Gun Rentals, which provided firearms for film productions from 1916 to 1999, modified at least two real M134 for use in films such as 'Predator' and 'Terminator 2'. The cyclic rate was reduced to 1700rpm in order to reduce torque and to lower the voltage required to power the motor whic h rotates the barrels. When Stembridge quit the gun rental business due to the oppressive legal climate in California, their set of modified M134 were placed up for sale. For $125,000, a qualified individual could buy one, including the associated movie props, spare parts, and live barrels. For additional money, Stembridge's Minigun wrangler Dan Sprague would provide instruction on its use and maintenance." -- "What it all comes to is that the whole structure of space flight as it stands now is creaking, obsolecent, over-elaborate, decaying. The field is static; no, worse than that, it's losing ground. By this time, our ships ought to be sleeker and faster, and able to carry bigger payloads. We ought to have done away with this dichotomy between ships that can land on a planet, and ships that can fly from one planet to another." - Senator Bliss Wagoner James Blish - _They Shall Have Stars_ |
Since this is a fishing newsgroup, I think I would go with the bolt
action in a 458 Winchester Magnum cause Ed Zern found it was the perfect weapon to use while shooting fish in a barrel and it could also be used for this. Big Dale |
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in
. com: bull****, i said to ernest; give me a well made 7mm for anything with a soft skin, and the *******s die, if they fly. the only two beasties that require the giant solids are the elephant and the buff. and, imho, the ol' 47 is as much as one needs. that, and a damn fine pair of legs, if things get touchy in the bush, don't you see? 'course, the wogs provide a damn fine buffer for the first charge, boyo... lord wayno ....it is my belief that anyone in roff facing a charging lion or buff would put the first load in his pants. Frank the Lion-hearted |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Well sure, but I'd say a lead-eyed Clouser would be a better bet. It's more streamlined, so it carries better and flies straighter. Of course, it could be that we are arguing apples and oranges here. What sorts of big game do you usually chase on the Cheesehead Savannah? Spotted buffalo: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/holstein/ Ah, a different subspecies. Down here it's the horny spotted buffalo: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/c...texaslonghorn/ Chuck Vance (a fair-to-middling game hunter myself) Wait till you try taking one of these babies on a 7 wt.! I use an 8-wt. myself. Can't throw those size 3/0 Clousers worth a damn with anything smaller. Wolfgang who, loathe to argue with success, intends to stick with the woolly buggers......in a sorta grass green color. The old Bessie bugger, eh? Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. Thanks for the tips. Chuck Vance (who learns something new every day on ROFF) |
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: ...Wolfgang who, loathe to argue with success, intends to stick with the woolly buggers......in a sorta grass green color. The old Bessie bugger, eh? Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* Thanks for the tips. Wolfgang *to whom, of course, this never happens. |
Excellent posts Gentlemen!
Although my thread my have been off-topic for the group I was confident I would encounter worldly and intelligent folks here that would have an opinion on the question posed. -Carmelo www.WorldShooter.com Hunting and Shooting Talk Forums Wolfgang wrote: "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: ...Wolfgang who, loathe to argue with success, intends to stick with the woolly buggers......in a sorta grass green color. The old Bessie bugger, eh? Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* Thanks for the tips. Wolfgang *to whom, of course, this never happens. |
wrote in message ups.com... Excellent posts Gentlemen! Although my thread my have been off-topic for the group I was confident I would encounter worldly and intelligent folks here that would have an opinion on the question posed. Yeah.....well.....mind you don't break that arm, huh Ernie? Wolfgang |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? Chuck Vance (unhooking them is a bitch) |
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So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K?
Chuck Vance (unhooking them is a bitch) I was taught to shoot to stun them. That way you can get them to help you peddle your bike back down the mountain. -- Stev Lenon |
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:30 GMT, "slenon"
wrote: So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? Chuck Vance (unhooking them is a bitch) I was taught to shoot to stun them. That way you can get them to help you peddle your bike back down the mountain. Wouldn't work out - its legs are way too short to reach the petals. I think you'll find it easier just to swat 'em on the nose with rolled-up newspaper...and this method not only works on Golfwangs, but Shedeckers, too...yeah, I know what you're thinking, but just because they call them "petal pushers" doesn't mean the American Toy Shedecker can actually do much petal pushing... HTH, Eleven-and-a-half-eagles............dick |
Wouldn't work out - its legs are way too short to reach the petals. I
think you'll find it easier just to swat 'em on the nose with rolled-up newspaper...and this method not only works on Golfwangs, but Shedeckers, too...yeah, I know what you're thinking, but just because they call them "petal pushers" doesn't mean the American Toy Shedecker can actually do much petal pushing... HTH, Eleven-and-a-half-eagles............dick Should have recognized that short stature was a factor here. Are you suggesting that a priest should be inserted in the newspaper? McManus would be so disappointed to not have help and acceleration getting down the mountain. -- Stev Lenon Flying the humpies right up to Green River |
In article , Conan The Librarian
writes Wolfgang wrote: "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? This is where I came in - a few years ago when T-Bone was around. ......that was some thread:-) I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. What the hell is a gator??? -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
W. D. Grey wrote:
snip I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. You are in deep, deep trouble. What the hell is a gator??? http://tinyurl.com/4hjvg -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
In article , Tim J.
writes W. D. Grey wrote: snip I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. You are in deep, deep trouble. What the hell is a gator??? Only kidding :-) -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
"W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , Conan The Librarian writes Wolfgang wrote: "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? This is where I came in - a few years ago when T-Bone was around. .....that was some thread:-) I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. What the hell is a gator??? Hm..... I just searched all of the recent threads and found no other reference to a gator by either Chuck or me. Judging by the position of your post in the hierarchical layout on my server, it looks like you were addressing your question to him. On the other hand, I've always found Chuck to be eminently lucid......I can think of no reason that you should have any trouble understanding him. Furthermore, Wayno has occasionally shown himself to be very generous (as well as eerily adept) in translating my admittedly sometimes oblique offerings. With all that in mind......and Tim's perfectly correct (if not exactly exhaustive) pointer notwithstanding, I offer the following: Gator is, first and foremost, an abbreviated form of alligator. A Gator is also anyone attending a particular university (I forget which one) in Florida, whose mascot is an alligator and, more particularly, any athlete on one or another of the school's athletic teams. By an odd sort of symmetry, a Gator is also ROFF's own uncle Wally who not only shares a name with the illustrious character with whom, by virtue of Tim's timely intervention, you are already familiar, but also reputedly spent......or, misspent, to be more precise......a number of what should have been his formative years in the above mentioned state of Florida. None of the above should be confused with a gaiter which is another sort of critter altogether and which, though it might prove to be of some use (depending on material and construction) against other, lesser (in terms of sheer mass, if not necessarily toxicity) reptilians, wouldn't be worth squat in an encounter with a gator of the first sort mentioned above. Clear? :) Wolfgang |
Wolfgang wrote: Hm..... I just searched all of the recent threads and found no other reference to a gator by either Chuck or me. Judging by the position of your post in the hierarchical layout on my server, it looks like you were addressing your question to him. On the other hand, I've always found Chuck to be eminently lucid......I can think of no reason that you should have any trouble understanding him. Flatterer. Ooops, sorry ... wrong thread. [snip of oblique offerings] None of the above should be confused with a gaiter which is another sort of critter altogether and which, though it might prove to be of some use (depending on material and construction) against other, lesser (in terms of sheer mass, if not necessarily toxicity) reptilians, wouldn't be worth squat in an encounter with a gator of the first sort mentioned above. Clear? :) You forgot the cattle; gaiters should do just fine when confronted with their "offerings". Chuck Vance ("eminently lucid"? ... is that just another way of saying "bull****"?) |
In article , Wolfgang
writes "W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , Conan The Librarian writes Wolfgang wrote: "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? This is where I came in - a few years ago when T-Bone was around. .....that was some thread:-) I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. What the hell is a gator??? Hm..... I just searched all of the recent threads and found no other reference to a gator by either Chuck or me. Judging by the position of your post in the hierarchical layout on my server, it looks like you were addressing your question to him. On the other hand, I've always found Chuck to be eminently lucid......I can think of no reason that you should have any trouble understanding him. Furthermore, Wayno has occasionally shown himself to be very generous (as well as eerily adept) in translating my admittedly sometimes oblique offerings. With all that in mind......and Tim's perfectly correct (if not exactly exhaustive) pointer notwithstanding, I offer the following: Gator is, first and foremost, an abbreviated form of alligator. A Gator is also anyone attending a particular university (I forget which one) in Florida, whose mascot is an alligator and, more particularly, any athlete on one or another of the school's athletic teams. By an odd sort of symmetry, a Gator is also ROFF's own uncle Wally who not only shares a name with the illustrious character with whom, by virtue of Tim's timely intervention, you are already familiar, but also reputedly spent......or, misspent, to be more precise......a number of what should have been his formative years in the above mentioned state of Florida. None of the above should be confused with a gaiter which is another sort of critter altogether and which, though it might prove to be of some use (depending on material and construction) against other, lesser (in terms of sheer mass, if not necessarily toxicity) reptilians, wouldn't be worth squat in an encounter with a gator of the first sort mentioned above. Clear? :) Wolfgang See my other post , but thanks Wolfie :-^ -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
"W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , Wolfgang writes "W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , Conan The Librarian writes Wolfgang wrote: "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Hmmm ... I never thought of trying to get them to *eat* the fly. I've been trying to hit them with mine. It's just a backup......in case the shot misses.* So is this where we're supposed to start a debate over C&R vs. C&K? This is where I came in - a few years ago when T-Bone was around. .....that was some thread:-) I still don't understand most of what you say except the bits Wayno translates for me. What the hell is a gator??? Hm..... I just searched all of the recent threads and found no other reference to a gator by either Chuck or me. Judging by the position of your post in the hierarchical layout on my server, it looks like you were addressing your question to him. On the other hand, I've always found Chuck to be eminently lucid......I can think of no reason that you should have any trouble understanding him. Furthermore, Wayno has occasionally shown himself to be very generous (as well as eerily adept) in translating my admittedly sometimes oblique offerings. With all that in mind......and Tim's perfectly correct (if not exactly exhaustive) pointer notwithstanding, I offer the following: Gator is, first and foremost, an abbreviated form of alligator. A Gator is also anyone attending a particular university (I forget which one) in Florida, whose mascot is an alligator and, more particularly, any athlete on one or another of the school's athletic teams. By an odd sort of symmetry, a Gator is also ROFF's own uncle Wally who not only shares a name with the illustrious character with whom, by virtue of Tim's timely intervention, you are already familiar, but also reputedly spent......or, misspent, to be more precise......a number of what should have been his formative years in the above mentioned state of Florida. None of the above should be confused with a gaiter which is another sort of critter altogether and which, though it might prove to be of some use (depending on material and construction) against other, lesser (in terms of sheer mass, if not necessarily toxicity) reptilians, wouldn't be worth squat in an encounter with a gator of the first sort mentioned above. Clear? :) Wolfgang See my other post , but thanks Wolfie :-^ I saw it. I wasn't sure what you meant. :) Wolfgang |
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