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Waterboatman Pattern
Can anyone reccomend a link or pattern to tie up some Waterboatmen.
While removing my ice fishing shanty off the lake yesterday, I noticed through some clear ice a Waterboatmen swimming about. I have heard that you must be careful when you tie these not to tie something that might resemble a Backswimmer, as these creatures sting, and trout avoid them. This will be my first try using waterboatmen, as in the past I have gone with leach patterns for spring ice out fishing. Thanks in advance |
"North Star" northstar_NOSPAM wrote in message ... Can anyone reccomend a link or pattern to tie up some Waterboatmen. While removing my ice fishing shanty off the lake yesterday, I noticed through some clear ice a Waterboatmen swimming about. I have heard that you must be careful when you tie these not to tie something that might resemble a Backswimmer, as these creatures sting, and trout avoid them. This will be my first try using waterboatmen, as in the past I have gone with leach patterns for spring ice out fishing. Thanks in advance http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...ope/part8.html http://www.diptera.co.uk/patterns/patterns_list.htm (Scroll down to "corixa"). http://creative.lauder.ac.uk/stuwebs/ali/Nymphs.htm http://www.flyflickers.com/ff/gomain...er_boatman.htm There are many patterns extant, but the above should cover most eventualities. TL MC |
"Mike Connor" wrote in message ... "North Star" northstar_NOSPAM wrote in message ... Can anyone reccomend a link or pattern to tie up some Waterboatmen. (snip) Mike wrote: There are many patterns extant, but the above should cover most eventualities. TL MC Wow the word "extant". I haven't seen that word for a long time . . . uhh . .. .but I don't get around much. Used to do a waterboatman pattern for wholesale. I'll have to try to relook at it, if I can find it. :) Thanks for the links. BestWishes, DaveMohnsen Denver (but have never used the pattern myself, if I recall, except maybe to test it on bluegills, to check durability.) |
In article , North Star
writes Can anyone reccomend a link or pattern to tie up some Waterboatmen. While removing my ice fishing shanty off the lake yesterday, I noticed through some clear ice a Waterboatmen swimming about. I have heard that you must be careful when you tie these not to tie something that might resemble a Backswimmer, as these creatures sting, and trout avoid them. This will be my first try using waterboatmen, as in the past I have gone with leach patterns for spring ice out fishing. Thanks in advance be more specific if you mean Coryxa then fine. Theothe boatban which scud over the surface isn't taken by trout as a rule. Ask for Coryxa patterns. This a is a diving beetle which carries a bubble of air which is often represented by a silver abdomen. -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
A pattern that we use with success in lakes in the Sierra is as follows
Size 14 or 16 wet fly hook Tie on 2 pcs of pearl crystal flash at rear of hook as a tail. two or three times the length of the hook Tie on a thin strip of black plastic (from a garbagge bags) at rear of hook facing backwards. It will be pulled foreward as a shell back Dub a bulbous tapered body. Use white, cream, tan, amber or gold dubbing or peacock hearl. Pull plastic foreward and tie off at hook eye Tie in two brown or black goose biots in at eye as legs. should be at least half the length of body and should point downwards and backwards. You can add a gold bead at the beginning and use as one sized larger hook Fish with a split shot and strip fast. Also can fish it as a dropper to a dry fly You can tell when ther are water boatmen around when it sounds as if some one is hitting your float tube with a BB gun "North Star" northstar_NOSPAM wrote in message ... Can anyone reccomend a link or pattern to tie up some Waterboatmen. While removing my ice fishing shanty off the lake yesterday, I noticed through some clear ice a Waterboatmen swimming about. I have heard that you must be careful when you tie these not to tie something that might resemble a Backswimmer, as these creatures sting, and trout avoid them. This will be my first try using waterboatmen, as in the past I have gone with leach patterns for spring ice out fishing. Thanks in advance |
In article , jackk
writes A pattern that we use with success in lakes in the Sierra is as follows Size 14 or 16 wet fly hook Tie on 2 pcs of pearl crystal flash at rear of hook as a tail. two or three times the length of the hook Can't see the need for this, but if it works I won't knock it. Tie on a thin strip of black plastic (from a garbagge bags) at rear of hook facing backwards. It will be pulled foreward as a shell back Fine shell back material. cut the plastic in a sort of canoe shape, it forms the body wing case nicely. Dub a bulbous tapered body. Use white, cream, tan, amber or gold dubbing or peacock hearl. I would suggest a weighted underbody like some fine lead wire flattened, and a bulbous body of tying thread over wrapped with flat silver ribbon. Pull plastic foreward and tie off at hook eye Tie in two brown or black goose biots in at eye as legs. should be at least half the length of body and should point downwards and backwards. Black biots should look good tied as you suggest. The bug should be fished by allowing it to sink and tweaking it to the surface in short jerks. Do we agree? -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
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I realize they fly but how in the hell did
they find this tiny trough in middle of nowhere...beats me... Yeah no kidding. When I was a kid my parents put in a pool and those things were always in there, and we were far from any significant water as well. |
Thanks a bunch to all who responded, I appreciate the leads, and have got
some good ideas to follow. What wierd little creatures they are. |
To each his own. All I know is that I have found amber to be the best color
for dubbing in our local lakes. I have even seen live bugs in a medium brown. My second best producer is peacock herl. Who know what the fish think it is. Re your silver ribbon... there is a commercially availble WB fly with a silver bead for the body. I've never used it since I cannot find the silver beads As far a weight goes, usually one split shot is enough for weight. but when they are really active, just using an unweighted fly as a dropper to a calleibaetis spinner is often productive; any weight might sink the dry fly. "W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , jackk writes A pattern that we use with success in lakes in the Sierra is as follows Size 14 or 16 wet fly hook Tie on 2 pcs of pearl crystal flash at rear of hook as a tail. two or three times the length of the hook Can't see the need for this, but if it works I won't knock it. Tie on a thin strip of black plastic (from a garbagge bags) at rear of hook facing backwards. It will be pulled foreward as a shell back Fine shell back material. cut the plastic in a sort of canoe shape, it forms the body wing case nicely. Dub a bulbous tapered body. Use white, cream, tan, amber or gold dubbing or peacock hearl. I would suggest a weighted underbody like some fine lead wire flattened, and a bulbous body of tying thread over wrapped with flat silver ribbon. Pull plastic foreward and tie off at hook eye Tie in two brown or black goose biots in at eye as legs. should be at least half the length of body and should point downwards and backwards. Black biots should look good tied as you suggest. The bug should be fished by allowing it to sink and tweaking it to the surface in short jerks. Do we agree? -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
In article , jackk
writes As far a weight goes, usually one split shot is enough for weight. but when they are really active, just using an unweighted fly as a dropper to a calleibaetis spinner is often productive; any weight might sink the dry fly. Nah! You don't want to use split shot when fishing fly! -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
"jackk" wrote in message ... To each his own. All I know is that I have found amber to be the best color for dubbing in our local lakes. (snip) Re your silver ribbon... there is a commercially availble WB fly with a silver bead for the body. I've never used it since I cannot find the silver beads (snip) Hi jackk, Reference the silver beads. I think I entered a soft hackle swap here or on ROFF where I did a pattern called a scintillator, or something like that. . .. was an emerger caddis pattern. I got the beads from a craft store. The pain was getting a hook with a small enough size eye so I could put the bead over the front of the hook, as it was not possible to get it over the bend of the hook. (long shape of bead) I believe it was a plastic kind of bead. I think Larry Medina, who used to hang around here a bit, did the swap. Heck . . .I just looked up my paper copy. It was September 2001. Web site used to be: http://home.planet.nl/~westb001/SHSwap.html for the pics. I've found it doesn't quite matter how I get the bead on a hook, but more importantly, to get it anchored in where I want it on the hook, for the pattern I am tying. It seems I've tied patterns with maybe some type of bead anywhere along the hook shank. :) Heh . . .heh . . .and I don't even use bead patterns that much . . .but I certainly have them along. HTH a bit, DaveMohnsen Denver |
The bead is the same except for the finish. The football shaped bead for
the Scintillator is pearl and available in some shops. I have never been able to find the silver finished one, though I admit, I haven't tried real hard. As I said, the amber dubbing produces very well in the lakes that I fish. ) Hi jackk, Reference the silver beads. I think I entered a soft hackle swap here or on ROFF where I did a pattern called a scintillator, or something like that. .. . was an emerger caddis pattern. I got the beads from a craft store. The pain was getting a hook with a small enough size eye so I could put the bead over the front of the hook, as it was not possible to get it over the bend of the hook. (long shape of bead) I believe it was a plastic kind of bead. I think Larry Medina, who used to hang around here a bit, did the swap. Heck . . .I just looked up my paper copy. It was September 2001. Web site used to be: http://home.planet.nl/~westb001/SHSwap.html for the pics. I've found it doesn't quite matter how I get the bead on a hook, but more importantly, to get it anchored in where I want it on the hook, for the pattern I am tying. It seems I've tied patterns with maybe some type of bead anywhere along the hook shank. :) Heh . . .heh . . .and I don't even use bead patterns that much . . .but I certainly have them along. HTH a bit, DaveMohnsen Denver |
"jackk" wrote in message ... The bead is the same except for the finish. The football shaped bead for the Scintillator is pearl and available in some shops. I have never been able to find the silver finished one, though I admit, I haven't tried real hard. As I said, the amber dubbing produces very well in the lakes that I fish. ) Hi jackk, Reference the silver beads. I think I entered a soft hackle swap here or on ROFF where I did a pattern called a scintillator, or something like that. (snipped) DaveMohnsen Hi again jackk, Ya got me curious. Just looked. I have silver, pearl, and gold in the football shapes. Email me with your snail mail address and I'll send you a few. ( the problem again is fitting to whatever hooks . . . I could only do it to one or two sizes, for the project at that time . . .and pearl only worked for me . . .then) DaveMohnsen Denver ( hmm . . . I'd probably go the dubbing way, me own self . . . but the other looks kinda "pretty", for the folks buying the stuff. :) |
there is nothing wrong with using split shot. You often need something to
get the fly down, and a lot of people don't like weight in the fly. they believe that a weighted fly doesn't look/act/move as natural as an unweighted fly. Also if you're going to weight the fly, you should tie some unweighted, some lightly weighted, some heavily weighted, etc It is easier to change the weight by using different amounts/size of split shot, or sink putty etc. the disadvantage I believe with split shot is that it gets hung up easier than a weighted fly "W. D. Grey" wrote in message ... In article , jackk writes As far a weight goes, usually one split shot is enough for weight. but when they are really active, just using an unweighted fly as a dropper to a calleibaetis spinner is often productive; any weight might sink the dry fly. Nah! You don't want to use split shot when fishing fly! -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk |
It is easier to change the weight by using different amounts/size of
split shot, or sink putty etc. the disadvantage I believe with split shot is that it gets hung up easier than a weighted fly You may already know this, but one way to cope with that is to leave a long "pigtail" on your tippet when you tie it to your leader. Then tie a half-hitch at the end of the pigtail, and another partway up toward the knot. Attach your split shot between the two knots. The lower knot is to keep the split shot from slipping off. The upper one is to weaken the tippet material so it will break at that point if the split shot gets hung up, saving your fly. vince |
Pearl Backswimmer Hook: Dai Riki 300, #12-16 Butt: pearl/clear bead Body: clear Dubbing Accent Shellback: mottled oak Thin Skin Legs: olive Flexifloss Photo on alt.binaries.pictures.fishing |
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