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yooper troutin - sept 9
wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no
hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g jeff |
On 4/6/05 7:36 AM, in article HQP4e.109393$SF.47907@lakeread08, "Jeff
Miller" wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g Opening of the ski season. :-) One guess: might be move-in weekend at Northern Michigan University? Did you book flights? Maybe try the next week, the 16th through the 23rd? There'll be the beginnings of fall color I'd guess by then. i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. You are correct sir. Not much in that stretch. Maybe check Ishpeming (see I TOLD you we should have bought that "house" someone posted a month or so ago) or L'Anse. I like that town, and it is of fair size. For da Yoop. Can't recall, but there should be some kind of lodging there. And of course I'd talked about fishing the Skanee area, which would be easy access from L'Anse. Another option: you don't necessarily have to head west immediately on arriving in Marquette. If I came up the first weekend you fly in, you could head east and we could rendezvous on the Fox (Seney, maybe an hour east of Marquette), then head west from there (I'll be coming from over The Bridge). Just a thought. so bill...bring an extra tent g Yessir! Whatever the decision, I'd likely be doing a five day weekend for the expedition. B |
On 4/6/05 9:41 AM, in article , "William
Claspy" wrote: Another option: you don't necessarily have to head west immediately on arriving in Marquette. If I came up the first weekend you fly in, you could head east and we could rendezvous on the Fox (Seney, maybe an hour east of Marquette), then head west from there (I'll be coming from over The Bridge). Just a thought. Hmmm. Mapquest says more like two hours from Marquette to Seney... Bill |
Jeff Miller wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? Opening of bear season i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g I've not been invited, but can provide transportation to the UP via airports in grand rapids, detroit, lansing, flint, or traverse city. |
On 4/6/05 1:25 PM, in article
, "Wayne Knight" wrote: I've not been invited, Whaddya think, guys, should we invite him? :-) B |
"William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 4/6/05 1:25 PM, in article , "Wayne Knight" wrote: I've not been invited, Whaddya think, guys, should we invite him? A mere formality overlooked as one would an invitation to a member of the flock to enter the fold. :) Wolfgang come one, come all. |
Wayne Knight wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? Opening of bear season i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g I've not been invited, but can provide transportation to the UP via airports in grand rapids, detroit, lansing, flint, or traverse city. "Invites" are no obstacle for roffians! Hell, you haven't been invited out here yet either, but if you get out this way I could probably find the time to fit a fishing trip into my schedule. Bring beer. ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:36:09 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g jeff I have to be at work at 6pm Saturday night, Sept. 10th. Anyone going to be in a fishing mood Friday or Saturday morning? George C. |
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message ups.com... Jeff Miller wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? Opening of bear season I haven't checked with the Michigan DNR, but this is also very close to the opening of grouse season and the deer bow season. i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g I've not been invited, See my reply to Bill. :) but can provide transportation to the UP via airports in grand rapids, detroit, lansing, flint, or traverse city. Just so we can deal (at least in a preliminary fashion) with all the issues, I'll reinsert Jeff's queries and concerns: "wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g" If I'm not mistaken, Jeff had already set his mind on entering the U.P. via the airport at Marquette so the transportation you offer, while appreciated all around, won't be necessary. Jeff..... I suspect that Marquette being what and where it is, outfits like Expedia probably overlook some of what they might consider.....um.....obscure lodgings. :) The itinerary doesn't make much difference to me (though I WILL have some of what I hope to be interesting possibilities to suggest over the next couple of months), but if I've understood you right, you were interested in exploring a bit further east than the last time you visited......more in Voelker's old neighborhood. If this is the case, then lodging bewtween Marquette and Occidenta.....um....Ontologica...uh....****, now you've got ME doing it! :( Anyway, you want to be looking in the other direction. I did a bit of checking today and found a number of websites that should help. The first, "Towns and Cities of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan" includes links to all of the others that follow. I included it in case you wanted to explore a bit further afield. The other links in turn, all have links to accomodations in their respective areas. As you will see, they include a wide range of lodges, motels, campgrounds, etc. You might want to take a look at others links which will take you to various attractions in the region. Ishpeming, Escanaba-Gladstone, Manistique and Munising are all within about an hour and a half drive of Marquette. Seney and Newberry are considerably further, but put you much closer to the environs of the Two Hearted and the Fox......both of which I assume are on the menu. http://www.exploringthenorth.com/townsmi/townsmi.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/ishpeming/ish.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/escanaba/lodging.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/manistique/index.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/munising/home.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/newberry/home.html http://www.exploringthenorth.com/seneymi/ And, last but not least, Marquette itself. Marquette is the biggest city in the U.P. I suspect you'll find things that Expedia missed. http://www.exploringthenorth.com/marquette/lodging.html Happy shopping! :) Wolfgang who, over the course of the next few weeks, will try to put together a list of URLs to U.P. oriented fishing sites |
"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:36:09 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g jeff I have to be at work at 6pm Saturday night, Sept. 10th. Anyone going to be in a fishing mood Friday or Saturday morning? Yep. Wolfgang |
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... ...lodging, etc...... Might just as well take a look at Big Bay too.: http://www.exploringthenorth.com/bigbay/biz.html Wolfgang |
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:54:50 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "George Cleveland" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:36:09 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: wolfgang, bill... um, what's the deal with sept 9 in marquette? no hotel rooms available that weekend according to expedia. i haven't looked, but is that some unique yooper holiday weekend in marquette? or just labor day holdovers? should i bring a special hat or costume? g i'll wait til sept to decide on car and hotel... but, as i recall, there's not much between marquette and the oxymoron, octobegon, ontononagone...oh, hell, you know where. so bill...bring an extra tent g jeff I have to be at work at 6pm Saturday night, Sept. 10th. Anyone going to be in a fishing mood Friday or Saturday morning? Yep. Wolfgang I'll be there. George |
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On 4/6/05 3:03 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... ...lodging, etc...... Might just as well take a look at Big Bay too.: http://www.exploringthenorth.com/bigbay/biz.html In looking for information about the Huron Mountain Club, I found this very interesting page: http://www.michiganhighways.org/inde...huronmtns.html My uncle's camp was located on the Huron River, just west of the Huron Mountains and the western limit of the HMC holdings. I've often wondered if one could drive from Skanee to Big Bay/Marquette. According to this page, it looks like it would be possible, but only under the best conditions and with a 4WD vehicle. Man, wish I still had the deed to that camp... Bill |
"William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 4/6/05 3:03 PM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... ...lodging, etc...... Might just as well take a look at Big Bay too.: http://www.exploringthenorth.com/bigbay/biz.html In looking for information about the Huron Mountain Club, I found this very interesting page: http://www.michiganhighways.org/inde...huronmtns.html My uncle's camp was located on the Huron River, just west of the Huron Mountains and the western limit of the HMC holdings. I've often wondered if one could drive from Skanee to Big Bay/Marquette. According to this page, it looks like it would be possible, but only under the best conditions and with a 4WD vehicle. Man, wish I still had the deed to that camp... I haven't looked at that page in detail yet, but I DID look at the area on DeLorme's "Street Atlas". It looks as if the area marked as "Impassable" on the 1932 map might be what DeLorme calls Northwestern Road. I'm not at all familiar with this area, but if it's anything like what I'm familiar with in the far western U.P. it is almost certainly navigable with just about any vehicle. I know of many roads that show up as "4WD" trails on maps and that are pretty well maintained. As undeveloped (relatively speaking) as the U.P. is, it's seeing a lot more tourist traffic these days.....especially since the snowmobile boom....and the various counties and even individual townships are taking pretty good care of what used to be strictly logging roads. Wolfgang who, having nursed a desire to fish the huron for several years, has mapped out every possible road access (to both branches), complete with shortest route to the river from each access point......AND gps coordinates and compass directions. :) |
Jonathan Cook wrote:
George Cleveland wrote: I have to be at work at 6pm Saturday night, Sept. 10th. You a stand-up comedian or somethin'? Sounds like shift work in a factory. Been there done that. I worked shift work in a Monsanto textile mill in Alabama. Seven straight days 8 to 4, two days off, seven straight days 4 to 12, two days off, seven straight days midnight to 8 and then a long weekend, three days off. Talk about ****ing up circadian rythyms. -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Jonathan Cook wrote: George Cleveland wrote: I have to be at work at 6pm Saturday night, Sept. 10th. You a stand-up comedian or somethin'? Sounds like shift work in a factory. Been there done that. I worked shift work in a Monsanto textile mill in Alabama. Seven straight days 8 to 4, two days off, seven straight days 4 to 12, two days off, seven straight days midnight to 8 and then a long weekend, three days off. My......aren't we proud. :) Talk about ****ing up circadian rythyms. Yeah.......gosh. Wolfgang who would love to be able to say truthfully that he'd done 21 days of honest labor in his day. |
"Tim J." wrote in message ... . Bring beer. ;-) Sorry, I only carry single malt. And be careful what you offer, I may be doing some consulting not far from you this summer. |
Wayne Knight wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... . Bring beer. ;-) Sorry, I only carry single malt. And be careful what you offer, I may be doing some consulting not far from you this summer. That would be cool. Let me know how it works out. You can bring this: http://tinyurl.com/4malm , but I may have to wash it down with a Hamms. ;-) -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Wolfgang wrote:
snip wolf - thanks for links. so, before i get plane ticket...which week? sept 9-17 or sept. 16-24. certainty about no skeeters, no flies would be nice. and wayne k...in another thread, your invitation was included. it would be great if you could come along and i hope you will. as i've always understood these gatherings, everyone's (well, all who read the screeds hereabouts) invitation is implied and no formalities are observed. the elite gatherings are done by formal e-mail and decoder rings. g so...anyone interested...i know we'll enjoy fishing and the u.p. is one of those unique places that's fun to visit. with wolfgang and claspy as traveling/fishing guides, it's guaranteed to be interesting too. i sampled marquette briefly 2 years ago and want to return. it has an airport...it is the closest to the areas we'll fish, east and west u.p. as far as big two-hearted...it's reported not to be fishing well. and, didn't papa h simply use it for the euphony and to cover up his actual fishing hole...the fox? g i'd like to see the sturgeon again...upstream of the bridge. if we start one place, no reason we can't travel and stay at others? it's up to you guys...it's all new to me. jeff (and i'm not bringin my bear suit...but do i need an orange vest?) |
Tim J. wrote: That would be cool. Let me know how it works out. You can bring this: http://tinyurl.com/4malm , but I may have to wash it down with a Hamms. ;-) I dunno about that but I usually travel with http://www.balvenie.com/range/portwood_21yo.html and http://www.themacallan.com/range/25yo.html As to what you wash it down with, might I suggest water over Hamms, it tastes better. |
Wayne Knight wrote:
Tim J. wrote: That would be cool. Let me know how it works out. You can bring this: http://tinyurl.com/4malm , but I may have to wash it down with a Hamms. ;-) I dunno about that but I usually travel with http://www.balvenie.com/range/portwood_21yo.html and http://www.themacallan.com/range/25yo.html Alrighty then. Consider this a formal invitation. ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
Wolfgang wrote: I haven't checked with the Michigan DNR, but this is also very close to the opening of grouse season and the deer bow season. The openings are later this year. If I'm not mistaken, Jeff had already set his mind on entering the U.P. via the airport at Marquette so the transportation you offer, while appreciated all around, won't be necessary. You know my fishing car. If he's so darn gung ho on marguette, I'll pick him up there. |
Tim J. wrote: Alrighty then. Consider this a formal invitation. ;-) Okie dokie, see you some time between June and Oct. |
Jeff Miller wrote: i sampled marquette briefly 2 years ago and want to return. it has an airport...it is the closest to the areas we'll fish, east and west u.p. You might want to see what's available in Sault Ste Marie in terms of flying in via Canada. There's some decent water south and east of there too. And if you're going to be in MI for a full week, the group might even want to consider a jaunt into Ontario and the Green River but that would take about a day and a half out of the UP stuff. I've not done it in the fall but the summer caddis hatches are a sight to behold. as far as big two-hearted...it's reported not to be fishing well. and, didn't papa h simply use it for the euphony and to cover up his actual fishing hole...the fox? g i'd like to see the sturgeon again...upstream of the bridge. if we start one place, no reason we can't travel and stay at others? it's up to you guys...it's all new to me. I know a couple of people who live in the UP and fish it almost exclusively. We will know where the better fishing is taking place. |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I worked shift work in a Monsanto textile mill in Alabama. snip Wolfgang who would love to be able to say truthfully that he'd done 21 days of honest labor in his day. I've done some honest labor and in my opinion honest labor is vastly overrated. -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: I haven't checked with the Michigan DNR, but this is also very close to the opening of grouse season and the deer bow season. The openings are later this year. If I'm not mistaken, Jeff had already set his mind on entering the U.P. via the airport at Marquette so the transportation you offer, while appreciated all around, won't be necessary. You know my fishing car. If he's so darn gung ho on marguette, I'll pick him up there. Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? Wolfgang this could be the start of a movement! :) |
Wolfgang wrote: Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? That's the plan as I type it now. |
Wayne Knight wrote:
Wolfgang wrote: Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? That's the plan as I type it now. oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!! lookin forward to it... uh...wolfie, what're you drivin? jeff |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? ....and, uh, again...which week have we settled on? jeff (who'd really hate to find he'd gotten on the wrong plane) |
Jeff Miller wrote: ...and, uh, again...which week have we settled on? How's about next week? grin, the season is still closed but there's enough year round water in the UP to keep us busy. the weather's been great, should be no crowds yet, and no misqueeters. g Just a little measure of a little more subsurface fishing than one might like. :( |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:01:49 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: (snipped) wolf - thanks for links. so, before i get plane ticket...which week? sept 9-17 or sept. 16-24. certainty about no skeeters, no flies would be nice. While it's apt to be past the season, no one has ever managed to explain that to the bugs. If the weather is right, they'll be out. Take along your bug protection sprays and creams and all. Even though autumnal mosquitos are apt to be small and weak, you're apparently a gourmet item for them. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
Cyli wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:01:49 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: (snipped) wolf - thanks for links. so, before i get plane ticket...which week? sept 9-17 or sept. 16-24. certainty about no skeeters, no flies would be nice. While it's apt to be past the season, no one has ever managed to explain that to the bugs. If the weather is right, they'll be out. Take along your bug protection sprays and creams and all. Even though autumnal mosquitos are apt to be small and weak, you're apparently a gourmet item for them. indeed, i'm apparently delicious fare for all bloodsucking, biting creatures. must be the vapors. but, between the biting bugs and the stinging nettles, i've sampled some interesting experiences in the up...can't wait to do it again. and...uh... again...wolf, bill, wayne...have we decided beyond any suggestion of change which week we're dedicating to my continued education in all things yooper? jeff (needing to make plane reservations before the next big gas surge...including my own.) |
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Q6u5e.14777$AL.3023@lakeread08... Cyli wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:01:49 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: (snipped) wolf - thanks for links. so, before i get plane ticket...which week? sept 9-17 or sept. 16-24. certainty about no skeeters, no flies would be nice. While it's apt to be past the season, no one has ever managed to explain that to the bugs. If the weather is right, they'll be out. Take along your bug protection sprays and creams and all. Even though autumnal mosquitos are apt to be small and weak, you're apparently a gourmet item for them. indeed, i'm apparently delicious fare for all bloodsucking, biting creatures. must be the vapors. While one hesitates to suggest that your welcome here is in any way contingent on the demonstrated fact that you are the only known delicacy which will actually draw a significant number of the brutes away from your humble narrator, it sure don't hurt. :) but, between the biting bugs and the stinging nettles, i've sampled some interesting experiences in the up...can't wait to do it again. As noted on the some of the web pages I posted earlier, there are a lot of available experiences we didn't get around to last time. You might want to give some consideration to fishing one of the innumerable lakes in the region......or even THE lake. and...uh... again...wolf, bill, wayne...have we decided beyond any suggestion of change which week we're dedicating to my continued education in all things yooper? jeff (needing to make plane reservations before the next big gas surge...including my own.) Well, since George has said he might get away for a day or two around the 9th, and no one else appears willing to make a decision, I say it's the 9th-17th. Vote early......vote often. Wolfgang |
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:0Yk5e.11967$AL.896@lakeread08... Wayne Knight wrote: Wolfgang wrote: Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? That's the plan as I type it now. oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!! lookin forward to it... uh...wolfie, what're you drivin? Currently, a sixteen year old minivan with about 200k miles on it. By September......who knows? But (and trust me on this one), whatever it is, Wayne's is likely to be the better offering. :) Wolfgang |
On 4/7/05 9:19 PM, in article z_k5e.11968$AL.10698@lakeread08, "Jeff Miller"
wrote: "Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? ...and, uh, again...which week have we settled on? jeff (who'd really hate to find he'd gotten on the wrong plane) I believe that we will settle on whichever dates are on your plane ticket. At least from the thread, that seems to be the, er, driving factor in picking the week. That and bear season, that is. I was just thinking about that campground on the north end of the Mason Tract, Wayne. Gonna be tough to keep heading north as I pass Grayling... Though maybe if we use that as our rendezvous point in June... Anyhow, once the week is chosen, we can start seriously planning the drunken booze fest that all claves become. :-) Bill (kidding... I'm KIDDING!) |
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:z_k5e.11968$AL.10698@lakeread08... Wolfgang wrote: "Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: Works for me. Does this mean you'll be joining us for the whole week? ...and, uh, again...which week have we settled on? jeff (who'd really hate to find he'd gotten on the wrong plane) Hi Jeff, Reference wrong planes. :) I've only seen it once. Maybe I've mentioned it before around here, but I chuckle everytime I recall the event. I was coming back from Thailand after doing some fly tying business "stuff" for a few weeks. Flew into Minneapolis for my next connection. They changed gates for the flight to Denver, while I was just hanging around. Went to the new gate, and when I got on the plane, somebody was in my seat. Politely showed him my ticket, and said he may be in the wrong seat. He showed me his ticket, and sure 'nuff, same seat. So I just sat down beside him, and indicated we'd sort it out if there became too many people. So we took off heading for Denver, with the usual casual chatting happening along the way. (uhh . . .I fly coach class . . . sometimes folks talk . . .and since I had been hearing the Thai language mostly for several weeks. . . we started talking about nothing much . . .what he did, what I did . . .blah, blah. About halfway through the flight I mentioned it would be great getting back to Denver again. He got this strange look on his face . . .and said "Denver"? Apparently he was going to Chicago. So we looked at tickets again. And we certainly had the same seat designation, but his indicated he was on a different flight going to a different location. It became a bit fun after that. Of course the other passengers around kind of picked up on this after the loud laughing kind of sound coming from my face. He was going to some kind of trade show. I suggested he tell a stewardess about the confusion to see if he could get a return flight to meet his schedule. He didn't want to do so . . .so I told him how he would enjoy Denver and the mountains. Then we got close to Denver International Airport (DIA) (there ain't any mountains there . . . they are westerly from there) Clouds had come in so you could see no mountains at all. Now it was insult to injury for the flight confusion. He wasn't going to Chicago, and he couldn't see any mountains. I told him, that heck they were there when I left a few weeks ago . . can't imagine what happened to them . .. .they must just be gone. Of course, passengers in close proximity were sorta having fun too a this point. But good news is he got linked up to fly back to Chicago from Denver, by way of Minneapolis going west first. BestWishes, DaveMohnsen Denver ( uhh . . . and then there was the time I was coming back from Thailand . .. .and the airport clerk in Bangkok, when I checked in, asked if I was going to the US. I said yes and then she said Hong Kong, which was my connecting flight. I said yes . . .heh . . .heh . .my destination became Hong Kong. Got an extra 24 hours in Hong Kong before I could get back. . . but . . .but I was on the right plane . . .it is those silly connection things that seem to slow down those silly custom folks when I have to go customs again, and recheck. . .and miss a flight because they wouldn't let anybody check in less than 45 minutes before departure. Got some fun pics of the area close to the airport hotel though. Kinda looked like Thailand . . .and these folks seem to also speak a different language or somethin'. :) than Thai, which I didn't understand mostly anyway . . .hmm . . . apparently I have a pattern . . . had the same problem with Korean) But I could fish in Korea. .. .sometimes. |
ok...george is indeed a good enough reason to choose those dates. the
9th it is... (um, will george wear the bear costume?) jeff Wolfgang wrote: |
"Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... ok...george is indeed a good enough reason to choose those dates. the 9th it is... (um, will george wear the bear costume?) Will you respect him in the morning? Wolfgang bring flowers.....and candy.....um.....and beer. |
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