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Date: June 17-19 2005
John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip With only one response so far (and a maybe at that), I thought maybe a little marketing of this trip might be in order. In the latest issue of Fly Fisherman magazine, July 2005, Dave Whitlock has an article entitled, "Surface Smallmouth." In this article, Dave relates,"These tough fish (smallmouth bass) are stronger, more durable, much more prolific, and more intelligent than trout. The have an admirable and uncompromising personality of a true gamefish, eagerly attacking the fly and, once hooked, respond with wild, acrobatic jumps, hard runs, and a strong, stubborn fight that earned them the reputation of being pound-for-pound the hardest-fighting freshwater fish." The article goes on to rate the top 30 Smallmouth Rivers in the United States. And guess which river is the absolutely top Smallmouth river in the land? You guessed it happy campers, it is the John Day River in the State of Oregon. This trip is an easy float and it would be a great river for any beginner to run a pontoon boat upon. There are pontoon boats, for rent, available right at the put in point.. As I mentioned, I attended a presentation on this fishery last week and those in attendance as well as the presenter could not remember any day on the John Day River that did not produce, at least, 30 fish per rod. 50 - 70 fish is the normal for this fishery and fishing is good all day long! I learned that early morning and late afternoon tend to produce the bigger fish. But wait there's more! If you respond to this offer within the next 30 minutes (or at all), I will share with you a few secret locations, where people tend to overlook when they make this run and the fish are larger and more aggressive in these little know hideaways. Happy Hacklers will have 5-7 people going as well and some are experience With the river levels likely to be very low it was suggested, at the recent Happy Hacklers meeting, that pontoon boats would be the best choice of watercraft. The river is fishable down to 100 CFS but difficult to float, at that rate, even in a pontoon. The recommended amount of flow was, at least, 400 CFS. It takes 1000 CFS to give the drift boats enough water to navigate. (Today the river is raging at 13,100 CFS at Service Creek!) Fishing equipment recommendation: 3wt to 5wt floating lines. If the water level is high a sink tip line would be advisable as well. Travis, of the Gorge Fly Shop, uses floating line pretty much exclusively because he loves the top water action. Travis is the go to person for information on this fishery: http://www.gorgeflyshop.com/ Flies: Small chartreuse poppers with rubber legs were suggested as the most effective top water fly for this fishery. White poppers were his second choice. Wooly Buggers - Olive, black and brown size 4 to 8 Crawfish patterns Streamers (chartreuse, olive, black, brown) Wet Flies (Anything with marabou in purple or black seems to work well) Camping: Very primitive and there are rattlesnakes (I grew up near hear and I have never had a problem with a snake) and cactus (it will poke holes in air mattresses). We are required by the regulation to bring a self-contained portable potty. In reality one for the group is enough and, well, frankly it doesn't get used much. But you have to have one at the start and the end of trip. One has already been arranged by the group we are going with.;) Shuttle Service: Jana, at Service Creek, has a shuttle service and it is $50 per vehicle. There are others as well: Donna, of Donna's John Day River Shuttles, Fossil, Oregon (541) 763-4884 was highly recommended but I could not reach her today to get a quote. Location: Put in at Service Creek and take out at Clarno. Meeting: We will be meeting at Service Creek at 7am, Friday June 17th, 2005 River Mile 155, latitude/longitude N 44 47.845 / W 120 00.489 Service Creek Stage Stop 38686 Hwy 19 Fossil, Oregon 97830 (541) 468-3331 http://www.servicecreekstagestop.com/ Water Level Reports: http://tinyurl.com/b5dzp Contact: Chris Fanning (360) 260-5545 if you are planning to attend this trip, please contact me soon. I will be sending out add'l info in the next few days. |
Padishar Creel wrote:
Date: June 17-19 2005 John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip With only one response so far (and a maybe at that), I thought maybe a little marketing of this trip might be in order. snip Sometimes, even if you build it, they do not come. ;-) Sounds like a fun time, Chris. I wish I could be there. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
If you are among the first fifty callers......
Chris I absolutely love smallmouth fishing. They are the dominate fish in my area. mid/southerenohio ....did I call soon enough? john "Padishar Creel" wrote in message ... Date: June 17-19 2005 John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip With only one response so far (and a maybe at that), I thought maybe a little marketing of this trip might be in order. In the latest issue of Fly Fisherman magazine, July 2005, Dave Whitlock has an article entitled, "Surface Smallmouth." In this article, Dave relates,"These tough fish (smallmouth bass) are stronger, more durable, much more prolific, and more intelligent than trout. The have an admirable and uncompromising personality of a true gamefish, eagerly attacking the fly and, once hooked, respond with wild, acrobatic jumps, hard runs, and a strong, stubborn fight that earned them the reputation of being pound-for-pound the hardest-fighting freshwater fish." The article goes on to rate the top 30 Smallmouth Rivers in the United States. And guess which river is the absolutely top Smallmouth river in the land? You guessed it happy campers, it is the John Day River in the State of Oregon. This trip is an easy float and it would be a great river for any beginner to run a pontoon boat upon. There are pontoon boats, for rent, available right at the put in point.. As I mentioned, I attended a presentation on this fishery last week and those in attendance as well as the presenter could not remember any day on the John Day River that did not produce, at least, 30 fish per rod. 50 - 70 fish is the normal for this fishery and fishing is good all day long! I learned that early morning and late afternoon tend to produce the bigger fish. But wait there's more! If you respond to this offer within the next 30 minutes (or at all), I will share with you a few secret locations, where people tend to overlook when they make this run and the fish are larger and more aggressive in these little know hideaways. Happy Hacklers will have 5-7 people going as well and some are experience With the river levels likely to be very low it was suggested, at the recent Happy Hacklers meeting, that pontoon boats would be the best choice of watercraft. The river is fishable down to 100 CFS but difficult to float, at that rate, even in a pontoon. The recommended amount of flow was, at least, 400 CFS. It takes 1000 CFS to give the drift boats enough water to navigate. (Today the river is raging at 13,100 CFS at Service Creek!) Fishing equipment recommendation: 3wt to 5wt floating lines. If the water level is high a sink tip line would be advisable as well. Travis, of the Gorge Fly Shop, uses floating line pretty much exclusively because he loves the top water action. Travis is the go to person for information on this fishery: http://www.gorgeflyshop.com/ Flies: Small chartreuse poppers with rubber legs were suggested as the most effective top water fly for this fishery. White poppers were his second choice. Wooly Buggers - Olive, black and brown size 4 to 8 Crawfish patterns Streamers (chartreuse, olive, black, brown) Wet Flies (Anything with marabou in purple or black seems to work well) Camping: Very primitive and there are rattlesnakes (I grew up near hear and I have never had a problem with a snake) and cactus (it will poke holes in air mattresses). We are required by the regulation to bring a self-contained portable potty. In reality one for the group is enough and, well, frankly it doesn't get used much. But you have to have one at the start and the end of trip. One has already been arranged by the group we are going with.;) Shuttle Service: Jana, at Service Creek, has a shuttle service and it is $50 per vehicle. There are others as well: Donna, of Donna's John Day River Shuttles, Fossil, Oregon (541) 763-4884 was highly recommended but I could not reach her today to get a quote. Location: Put in at Service Creek and take out at Clarno. Meeting: We will be meeting at Service Creek at 7am, Friday June 17th, 2005 River Mile 155, latitude/longitude N 44 47.845 / W 120 00.489 Service Creek Stage Stop 38686 Hwy 19 Fossil, Oregon 97830 (541) 468-3331 http://www.servicecreekstagestop.com/ Water Level Reports: http://tinyurl.com/b5dzp Contact: Chris Fanning (360) 260-5545 if you are planning to attend this trip, please contact me soon. I will be sending out add'l info in the next few days. |
Padishar Creel wrote:
Date: June 17-19 2005 John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip With only one response so far (and a maybe at that), I thought maybe a little marketing of this trip might be in order. In the latest issue of Fly Fisherman magazine, July 2005, Dave Whitlock has an article entitled, "Surface Smallmouth." In this article, Dave relates,"These tough fish (smallmouth bass) are stronger, more durable, much more prolific, and more intelligent than trout. The have an admirable and uncompromising personality of a true gamefish, eagerly attacking the fly and, once hooked, respond with wild, acrobatic jumps, hard runs, and a strong, stubborn fight that earned them the reputation of being pound-for-pound the hardest-fighting freshwater fish." Smallmouth bass are *great* gamefish, that much is true, but most of Whitlock's hyperbole is either opinion or bull****. How do you compare the intelligence of a trout and a bass ? Do you give them underwater IQ tests ? And everybody knows that the hardest fighting freshwater fish, pound-for-pound, is the bluegill. I'd love to go fly fishing for smallmouth with poppers. That's one of the reasons I paddle far into the Canadian backcountry. The reason I don't fish for them more around central Illinois is that they rarely hit surface flies in our streams. Around here it's mostly wooly bugger fishing and phooey on that ****. Sounds like a great trip, Chris. Wish I could load up my canoe and join you ! Good luck. -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote And everybody knows that the hardest fighting freshwater fish, pound-for-pound, is the bluegill. i must agree with that. those big, thick purple *******s, with a profile about the 4-5 inches tall, will wear you out over the course of a late afternoon. I'd love to go fly fishing for smallmouth with poppers. That's one of the reasons I paddle far into the Canadian backcountry. when you were in tons, you were about 100 miles southwest of one of the great smallmouth fisheries anywhere--the new river, up in ashe county, nc. bring your ass back down here, and we will take my new mad river up to jefferson, nc. and blow 'em up! wayno |
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"Ken Fortenberry" Smallmouth bass are *great* gamefish, that much is true, but most of Whitlock's hyperbole is either opinion or bull****. How do you compare the intelligence of a trout and a bass ? Do you give them underwater IQ tests ? And everybody knows that the hardest fighting freshwater fish, pound-for-pound, is the bluegill. I believe I'd have to go with the rock bas, pound for pound wise... I'd love to go fly fishing for smallmouth with poppers. That's one of the reasons I paddle far into the Canadian backcountry. The reason I don't fish for them more around central Illinois is that they rarely hit surface flies in our streams. Around here it's mostly wooly bugger fishing and phooey on that ****. Well, YOu have to hitthe water early enough that you tied your popper on before you left 'casuse it's barely starting to break light.. 'reverse that for night time poppers-right about dark thirty Sounds like a great trip, Chris. Wish I could load up my canoe and join you ! Good luck. -- Ken Fortenberry john |
Padishar Creel wrote:
Date: June 17-19 2005 John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip A buddy of mine who spent a summer fishing the Maritime provinces said the Roadkill Streamer was the best smallmouth fly he tried. http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/..._Streamer.html |
Salmo Bytes wrote:
Padishar Creel wrote: Date: June 17-19 2005 John Day River Small Mouth Bass Float Trip A buddy of mine who spent a summer fishing the Maritime provinces said the Roadkill Streamer was the best smallmouth fly he tried. http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/..._Streamer.html ....actually I think it was Quebec somewhere, now that I think about it. Do they have smallmouths in the St. Lawrence River? ...must. |
"asadi" wrote: .....(past snipped)... I believe I'd have to go with the rock bas, pound for pound wise... I tend to agree however I must say Rock Bass seem to have no stamina. And it does not seem like they are tired I guess it is that they just give up. They fight like hell and then all the sudden just roll on their side. But on release they bolt off. I like catching Rockies but they are quitters, But still fun to catch. ( and not that I have kept a fish in 20+ years but Rock Bass DO taste good. they make a hell of a sandwich ) On the topic of Smallmouth. I love fishing for Smallmouth. I can think of 2 times last year that it was all I could do to even get them on the reel, and still played hell getting my hands on them. It is not at all uncommon that once brought to hand you risk a hook in the hand because they just will not stop thrashing around. And then... caught, lipped, pictures taken, talked to (you gotta tell 'em how pretty they are) upon release you still take a face full of water. Kind of their way saying '**** off '. They are sassy *******s, no doubt about it, and fun to catch. I'd love to go fly fishing for smallmouth with poppers. That's one of the reasons I paddle far into the Canadian backcountry. The reason I don't fish for them more around central Illinois is that they rarely hit surface flies in our streams. Around here it's mostly wooly bugger fishing and phooey on that ****. Well, YOu have to hitthe water early enough that you tied your popper on before you left 'casuse it's barely starting to break light.. 'reverse that for night time poppers-right about dark thirty Yep, I couldn't agree more. One hour before sunrise. (Dim light, gray mist coming off the water. What a time to be alive!) Sunset to "dark thirty". Sounds like a great trip, Chris. Wish I could load up my canoe and join you ! Good luck. -- Ken Fortenberry john Wish I was going. ~Chad |
The strongest fresh water fighters are, I think, Channel Catfish.
And you can easily catch them on a flyrod--although not so easily with flies. To catch channel cats I use a long strip of fresh pork skin (not smoked) threaded onto a plastic worm rig, with a split shot at the eye of the hook. Channel Cats don't jump, but they sure do pull, and they never give up. A spinning rod might work better than the flyrod, by the way.....but I don't even own one. So I use what I have. |
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RE "And tossing split shot and pork rinds with a fly rod ? Good
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: The strongest fresh water fighters are, I think, Channel Catfish. ... No, not even close, the strongest fighters in fresh water are the humongous striped bass below the Guntersville Dam on the Tennessee River, but we were talking about hardest fighting freshwater fish *pound-for-pound* and I'll still go with the bluegill. It's really no contest. If bluegill grew to 5 pounds regularly, nobody would bother with bass... ..... and if they grew to 20 pounds, there would be no sal****er sportfishing... -- "What it all comes to is that the whole structure of space flight as it stands now is creaking, obsolecent, over-elaborate, decaying. The field is static; no, worse than that, it's losing ground. By this time, our ships ought to be sleeker and faster, and able to carry bigger payloads. We ought to have done away with this dichotomy between ships that can land on a planet, and ships that can fly from one planet to another." - Senator Bliss Wagoner James Blish - _They Shall Have Stars_ |
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"asadi" wrote in news:42914763$0$76429
: "Ken Fortenberry" I'd love to go fly fishing for smallmouth with poppers. Come on up, I can drift you over some major smallie water, and as Frank Church has proven, a couple years running, they're more than willing to take poppers far earlier and later than I would have thought. Well come on up *IF* if it ever stops fekn raining Fly who is glad he has a boat, he might need it |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote: The strongest fresh water fighters are, I think, Channel Catfish. ... No, not even close, the strongest fighters in fresh water are the humongous striped bass below the Guntersville Dam on the Tennessee River, Nope. Not even close. The strongest fighting fresh-water fish (at least in North America) is the white sturgeon. The world record is 468lbs. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
There are stories of white sturgeon over a thousand pounds, but the
Canadian record is " STURGEON, WHITE 800 HAROLD HILTZ FRASER RIVER, BC 4/22/1972". bugcaster |
bugcaster wrote:
There are stories of white sturgeon over a thousand pounds, but the Canadian record is " STURGEON, WHITE 800 HAROLD HILTZ FRASER RIVER, BC 4/22/1972". I must have looked up the flyfishing record. In any case, even a 468lb sturgeon would fight one hell of a lot more than any striped bass that's ever existed. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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wrote in message oups.com... The strongest fresh water fighters are, I think, Channel Catfish. And you can easily catch them on a flyrod--although not so easily with flies. To catch channel cats I use a long strip of fresh pork skin (not smoked) threaded onto a plastic worm rig, with a split shot at the eye of the hook. Channel Cats don't jump, but they sure do pull, and they never give up. A spinning rod might work better than the flyrod, by the way.....but I don't even own one. So I use what I have. |
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