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Greatest Angler
I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top
4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? |
Are you kidding AJH? Bill belongs in the top5. Just look at the early
tournament records, the man was a machine. Granted he sold out commercially & no longer fishes tournaments, but most pros would tell you that its easier to get paid to *say* you catch fish on your sponsors' stuff, fish in well-stocked ponds, be on tv etc... than try to earn a living on the tours. But Bill was a monster back in the day. No doubt, top 5. Now KVD at #5...that's questionable. Warren "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? |
Even though Bill fished the claimed "private ponds" and catches fish on a
sponsors bait, just take the time to listen to what the man says in between playing his catch back and forth for 5 minutes. Filter out most to the commercial talk and hype about how nice the fish is, and there is some very fine fishing info being given at times. I agree, Bill should be in the top 5. If you every get to meet him and speak with him, you will find he has a very genuine love for the sport of fishing. He also does not have a big head like some of the other pro anglers. "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? |
Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the
Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... |
AJH it's not a debate of the greatest tourney fisherman, its the greatest
all-around angler. Both KVD & Hank would agree that BD belongs in the top 5. 4 AOY? I think that's 2 more than Clunn if I'm not mistaken... Warren "AJH" wrote in message ... Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... |
"AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? Where does Larry Nixon rank? I would say he has earned his place in the top 5 spot... |
Close...6
"GuitarMan" wrote in message ink.net... "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? Where does Larry Nixon rank? I would say he has earned his place in the top 5 spot... |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:18:43 GMT, "GuitarMan"
wrote: "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? Where does Larry Nixon rank? I would say he has earned his place in the top 5 spot... Larry is at #6, KVD at #5. The Remaining 4 a Roland Martin Denny Brauer Bill Dance Rick Clunn Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
Don't you think the whole idea of a "greatest angler" is kind of silly
anyway? Kind of like asking "who was the greatest baseball player?". Just a publicity stunt designed to stir up controversy. Also, I guess you can only hope to be "greatest angler" if you fish for bass. But that said, if your gonna have a short list Bill Dance should definitely be on it. Shane |
Bill Dance stopped by and said to tell you thanks, Warren. He's also added
you to his contacts now. LOL "go-bassn" wrote in message ... AJH it's not a debate of the greatest tourney fisherman, its the greatest all-around angler. Both KVD & Hank would agree that BD belongs in the top 5. 4 AOY? I think that's 2 more than Clunn if I'm not mistaken... Warren "AJH" wrote in message ... Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... |
Since Bill catches fish on some BVD type devices, I guess he deserves to
be in the top 4... |
"irbfishin" wrote in message
oups.com... Don't you think the whole idea of a "greatest angler" is kind of silly anyway? Kind of like asking "who was the greatest baseball player?". Just a publicity stunt designed to stir up controversy. Also, I guess you can only hope to be "greatest angler" if you fish for bass. But that said, if your gonna have a short list Bill Dance should definitely be on it. Shane I'ld have to kinda agree. Its a commercial gimmick to stir up some interest. I haven't been all that interested in who is listed where on the list as I have been in hearing people get into it and spout their opinion about who should be where ont he list. What is amazing to me is how long some people carry things with them. One fellow I know thinks Roland Martin is a good fisherman, but shouldn't be on the list at all because they met him once and didn't like him at all. Amazing. Their opinion had very little to do with his fishing skills or promotion of the sport. Just from a one time meeting at some event or another. Another funny opinion I have heard is that this or that younger (relatively) angler should not be on the list, not because they aren't good, but because they "Haven't paid their dues." LOL Its pretty funny to listen to people discuss this subject not from the results, but from the perspective of why they come to their conclusions. Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Add you to that list & its complete Harry...
WW;-) "Thundercat" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:18:43 GMT, "GuitarMan" wrote: "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? Where does Larry Nixon rank? I would say he has earned his place in the top 5 spot... Larry is at #6, KVD at #5. The Remaining 4 a Roland Martin Denny Brauer Bill Dance Rick Clunn Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
I've met Roland & he's a great guy. The greatest bass angler ever? Roland,
hands down. He'll win hands-down. Warren "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "irbfishin" wrote in message oups.com... Don't you think the whole idea of a "greatest angler" is kind of silly anyway? Kind of like asking "who was the greatest baseball player?". Just a publicity stunt designed to stir up controversy. Also, I guess you can only hope to be "greatest angler" if you fish for bass. But that said, if your gonna have a short list Bill Dance should definitely be on it. Shane I'ld have to kinda agree. Its a commercial gimmick to stir up some interest. I haven't been all that interested in who is listed where on the list as I have been in hearing people get into it and spout their opinion about who should be where ont he list. What is amazing to me is how long some people carry things with them. One fellow I know thinks Roland Martin is a good fisherman, but shouldn't be on the list at all because they met him once and didn't like him at all. Amazing. Their opinion had very little to do with his fishing skills or promotion of the sport. Just from a one time meeting at some event or another. Another funny opinion I have heard is that this or that younger (relatively) angler should not be on the list, not because they aren't good, but because they "Haven't paid their dues." LOL Its pretty funny to listen to people discuss this subject not from the results, but from the perspective of why they come to their conclusions. Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Cool! Now I'm personal friends with him just like...lmao.
Warren "Charles B. Summers" wrote in message ... Bill Dance stopped by and said to tell you thanks, Warren. He's also added you to his contacts now. LOL "go-bassn" wrote in message ... AJH it's not a debate of the greatest tourney fisherman, its the greatest all-around angler. Both KVD & Hank would agree that BD belongs in the top 5. 4 AOY? I think that's 2 more than Clunn if I'm not mistaken... Warren "AJH" wrote in message ... Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... |
lmao, atta boy AJH!
Warren "AJH" wrote in message ... Since Bill catches fish on some BVD type devices, I guess he deserves to be in the top 4... |
Hey... I'm on that list somewhere.
Let's see... Larry is at #6, KVD at #5. The Remaining 4 a 1. Roland Martin 2. Denny Brauer 3. Bill Dance 4. Rick Clunn 5. Rodney Long 6. 7. (skip a few thousand) 7452. Al Jajwuth 7543. Bob Redding 7544. Charles Summers See! I told ya I was on there somewhere... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Add you to that list & its complete Harry... WW;-) "Thundercat" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:18:43 GMT, "GuitarMan" wrote: "AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? Where does Larry Nixon rank? I would say he has earned his place in the top 5 spot... Larry is at #6, KVD at #5. The Remaining 4 a Roland Martin Denny Brauer Bill Dance Rick Clunn Harry J aka Thundercat Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com Share the knowledge, compete on execution. |
What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing
mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
Ughh, Roland never won The Classic Carl...
"E. Carl Speros" wrote in message ... What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
" 1. Roland Martin
2. Denny Brauer 3. Bill Dance 4. Rick Clunn 5. Rodney Long 6. 7. (skip a few thousand) 7452. Al Jajwuth 7543. Bob Redding 7544. Charles Summers" Don't give up Charles. Someday the world will recognize Mr. Whiskers for the true gamefish it is:-) Shane |
AJH wrote:
Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... In 78 BASS tournaments, Bill finished in the top ten 40 times. Even without a win, that statistic would be astounding. But he did win. seven of those 78 tourneys, to be exact. In both 1968 and 1970, he outright won 3 of the 6 tourneys BASS put on. No-one else has come close to the kind of dominance Bill exhibited during the first 12 years of BASS' existence. You can't hold being a shrewd businessman against him! |
Who is the Greatest "catfish" Angler? CS?
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Well said Z! Hey, are you going to the Classic to cheer Cowan on?
WW "RichZ" wrote in message ... AJH wrote: Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... In 78 BASS tournaments, Bill finished in the top ten 40 times. Even without a win, that statistic would be astounding. But he did win. seven of those 78 tourneys, to be exact. In both 1968 and 1970, he outright won 3 of the 6 tourneys BASS put on. No-one else has come close to the kind of dominance Bill exhibited during the first 12 years of BASS' existence. You can't hold being a shrewd businessman against him! |
Bill also didn't have the high tech equipment that is available
today.Someone else posted too that if you read between the lines on his show,there is much to be learned.Farm pond,reservoir,or stream he just flat out knows what the fish are and should be doing,and how to catch them. "RichZ" wrote in message ... AJH wrote: Come on Warren, Bill Dance never won a Classic, he was Angler of the Year 3-4 times, he did win some T's.. he doesn't have the credentials KVD has, for that matter Larry Nixon or Hank Parker have better credentials.. But I bet he has made more money in the fishing business than anyone...I'd rather have Bill's money that the Greatest Angler Title... In 78 BASS tournaments, Bill finished in the top ten 40 times. Even without a win, that statistic would be astounding. But he did win. seven of those 78 tourneys, to be exact. In both 1968 and 1970, he outright won 3 of the 6 tourneys BASS put on. No-one else has come close to the kind of dominance Bill exhibited during the first 12 years of BASS' existence. You can't hold being a shrewd businessman against him! |
"AJH" wrote in message ... I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? I know Bill was dominant in those early years, but I think the top candidates have to have fished competitively in recent years. So Bill shouldn't be that high based on my criteria. |
AJH wrote:
I see Kevin VanDam was selected #5, that leaves Bill Dance in the top 4..Should he be in the top 4.. He hasn't fished a Tournament in a long time and now just fishes private ponds which I can understand because of his TV show. but the top 4 IMO is a big stretch...I know he has caught many bass on a certain world class (in his own mind) inventors baits but does he belong in the top 20? So this is the "Greatest Bass Angler" you guys are talking about. Certainly not the Greatest Angler. Carlos |
I pretty much agree with most. Bill Dance was the most dominant
fisherman on tour at that time. Noone had those credentials. It's impossible to say the he wouldn't or couldn't survive on tour nowadays. In my humble opinion, Bill is definately in the top ten. I have met Bill and worked the same booth that he has in local industry shows. He is where he is because it was the general fishing public that voted for the top ten. He the question were a little more dircted as to who had furthered the sport of bass fishing more than anyone else, I think he would be in the top three if not the top spot. The criteria used to narrow down the bunch to a point that the public voted on them had been widened, I think names like Virgil Ward, Dee Thomas, and many more would have been in the top ten. Being that it is a tournament organization putting this question out there, it is reasonable that the criteria for inclusion is anglers that have fished the top two tours (FLW and BASS) for a certain period to be acceptable. For me, I can't believe that Larry Nixon was out so early. He should be a final 4 candidate, but I believe that he is where he is because of the same reason why Bill is still in it. This man is still a force in the industry. As far as KVD and Klein, I put them in close proximity to Dance. Mere strong blips on the screeen of our sonars, but both are still writing their history on the trails. I think it will be very interesting in choosing from this point forward. The final 5 are going to be extremely hard to rank and these will lead to many heated discussions! I look forward to the series on ESPN for the remainder! Should be real good TV. |
"go-bassn" wrote in message ... Ughh, Roland never won The Classic Carl... Yup, and is why I have to go with Clunn being #1. IMO, it has been a tossup between Rick and Roland since they announced this "debate". I agree with the BassCenter guys though, if they do this again in 10 years, KVD will likely be the man. They qouted some stat about how many straight tourneys he (KVD) did early on where he cashed, and it was astounding. Something like 40+ in a row he cashed in during one stretch. That sounds impressive to me, who has fished all of 1 whole tournament. My favorite of the lot though, and for personal reasons only, has to be Hank Parker. He doesn't live all that far from me, and I've had several opps to hang out and chat with him at various shows, dealerships, etc. I was even mildly involved in getting him and Eric Montross (ex-UNC/NBA basketball player) connected so Montross could appear on his show, some 10 odd years or so ago when I still lived in Chapel Hill. Wanna see funny? Hank and Eric (a stout 7+ footer) in the same boat...it was a funny scene IMO for those of you who may have caught the show when it aired way back then. And I can say that I've talked with most of these guys in person if ever so briefly, as they were at the weigh-in at Charlotte last year to announce this whole deal. I actually got to talk to Rick Clunn for about a half hour at the Expo Center prior to the weigh in. Most of them seemed pretty cool to me. Of course they weren't out there competing ('cept for KVD, whom I didn't get to talk to) so maybe they were a little more laid back. I can tell you Rick was disappointed about not being out there on Wylie last summer. His hair and beard may be gray now, but the man's still got some fire left IMO. "E. Carl Speros" wrote in message ... What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
It also depends on the voters and who was fishing at the time. Same as
basketball. Almost all the votes are for Shaq as the greatest player of all time. Lots have seen his dominance, but greatest was probably Bill Russell. But very few games were televised, and few saw his dominance. I do not blame Bill Dance from gettign off the tournament trail. He can make as good or better money with his business sense and saves 8 months of travel and the related expenses. Bill "SimRacer" wrote in message m... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Ughh, Roland never won The Classic Carl... Yup, and is why I have to go with Clunn being #1. IMO, it has been a tossup between Rick and Roland since they announced this "debate". I agree with the BassCenter guys though, if they do this again in 10 years, KVD will likely be the man. They qouted some stat about how many straight tourneys he (KVD) did early on where he cashed, and it was astounding. Something like 40+ in a row he cashed in during one stretch. That sounds impressive to me, who has fished all of 1 whole tournament. My favorite of the lot though, and for personal reasons only, has to be Hank Parker. He doesn't live all that far from me, and I've had several opps to hang out and chat with him at various shows, dealerships, etc. I was even mildly involved in getting him and Eric Montross (ex-UNC/NBA basketball player) connected so Montross could appear on his show, some 10 odd years or so ago when I still lived in Chapel Hill. Wanna see funny? Hank and Eric (a stout 7+ footer) in the same boat...it was a funny scene IMO for those of you who may have caught the show when it aired way back then. And I can say that I've talked with most of these guys in person if ever so briefly, as they were at the weigh-in at Charlotte last year to announce this whole deal. I actually got to talk to Rick Clunn for about a half hour at the Expo Center prior to the weigh in. Most of them seemed pretty cool to me. Of course they weren't out there competing ('cept for KVD, whom I didn't get to talk to) so maybe they were a little more laid back. I can tell you Rick was disappointed about not being out there on Wylie last summer. His hair and beard may be gray now, but the man's still got some fire left IMO. "E. Carl Speros" wrote in message ... What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
Russell better than Wilt???
lol WW "Bill McKee" wrote in message link.net... It also depends on the voters and who was fishing at the time. Same as basketball. Almost all the votes are for Shaq as the greatest player of all time. Lots have seen his dominance, but greatest was probably Bill Russell. But very few games were televised, and few saw his dominance. I do not blame Bill Dance from gettign off the tournament trail. He can make as good or better money with his business sense and saves 8 months of travel and the related expenses. Bill "SimRacer" wrote in message m... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Ughh, Roland never won The Classic Carl... Yup, and is why I have to go with Clunn being #1. IMO, it has been a tossup between Rick and Roland since they announced this "debate". I agree with the BassCenter guys though, if they do this again in 10 years, KVD will likely be the man. They qouted some stat about how many straight tourneys he (KVD) did early on where he cashed, and it was astounding. Something like 40+ in a row he cashed in during one stretch. That sounds impressive to me, who has fished all of 1 whole tournament. My favorite of the lot though, and for personal reasons only, has to be Hank Parker. He doesn't live all that far from me, and I've had several opps to hang out and chat with him at various shows, dealerships, etc. I was even mildly involved in getting him and Eric Montross (ex-UNC/NBA basketball player) connected so Montross could appear on his show, some 10 odd years or so ago when I still lived in Chapel Hill. Wanna see funny? Hank and Eric (a stout 7+ footer) in the same boat...it was a funny scene IMO for those of you who may have caught the show when it aired way back then. And I can say that I've talked with most of these guys in person if ever so briefly, as they were at the weigh-in at Charlotte last year to announce this whole deal. I actually got to talk to Rick Clunn for about a half hour at the Expo Center prior to the weigh in. Most of them seemed pretty cool to me. Of course they weren't out there competing ('cept for KVD, whom I didn't get to talk to) so maybe they were a little more laid back. I can tell you Rick was disappointed about not being out there on Wylie last summer. His hair and beard may be gray now, but the man's still got some fire left IMO. "E. Carl Speros" wrote in message ... What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
go-bassn wrote:
Russell better than Wilt??? lol WW Abolutely! Count the championships, man. |
Greatness measured in terms of championships RZ? Ted Williams would be
sick... So would Roland. Warren "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Russell better than Wilt??? lol WW Abolutely! Count the championships, man. |
Yup. The competiveness was more. Also I am biased. I am from the SF area,
and Hal Perry, who played on the 1955 team is from my high school. And the stories Hal can tell about Russell. Like the time they are whipping Stanford, and Hal said he and the guys were not even working to stop a Stanford player and the guy is going for a 1/2 court layup and Russell comes out of nowhere and catches up to the guy and pins the ball against the glass, and steals the ball. Wilt was great, but overall, Russell was better. Bill "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Russell better than Wilt??? lol WW "Bill McKee" wrote in message link.net... It also depends on the voters and who was fishing at the time. Same as basketball. Almost all the votes are for Shaq as the greatest player of all time. Lots have seen his dominance, but greatest was probably Bill Russell. But very few games were televised, and few saw his dominance. I do not blame Bill Dance from gettign off the tournament trail. He can make as good or better money with his business sense and saves 8 months of travel and the related expenses. Bill "SimRacer" wrote in message m... "go-bassn" wrote in message ... Ughh, Roland never won The Classic Carl... Yup, and is why I have to go with Clunn being #1. IMO, it has been a tossup between Rick and Roland since they announced this "debate". I agree with the BassCenter guys though, if they do this again in 10 years, KVD will likely be the man. They qouted some stat about how many straight tourneys he (KVD) did early on where he cashed, and it was astounding. Something like 40+ in a row he cashed in during one stretch. That sounds impressive to me, who has fished all of 1 whole tournament. My favorite of the lot though, and for personal reasons only, has to be Hank Parker. He doesn't live all that far from me, and I've had several opps to hang out and chat with him at various shows, dealerships, etc. I was even mildly involved in getting him and Eric Montross (ex-UNC/NBA basketball player) connected so Montross could appear on his show, some 10 odd years or so ago when I still lived in Chapel Hill. Wanna see funny? Hank and Eric (a stout 7+ footer) in the same boat...it was a funny scene IMO for those of you who may have caught the show when it aired way back then. And I can say that I've talked with most of these guys in person if ever so briefly, as they were at the weigh-in at Charlotte last year to announce this whole deal. I actually got to talk to Rick Clunn for about a half hour at the Expo Center prior to the weigh in. Most of them seemed pretty cool to me. Of course they weren't out there competing ('cept for KVD, whom I didn't get to talk to) so maybe they were a little more laid back. I can tell you Rick was disappointed about not being out there on Wylie last summer. His hair and beard may be gray now, but the man's still got some fire left IMO. "E. Carl Speros" wrote in message ... What with his leaving the tournament circuit at a young age & fishing mostly stocked ponds on his show I must agree that be shouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe 20th???) Roland Martin on the other hand, could easily be #1. His tourneys, classics & angler of the year awards are unprecedented over the last 25 or 30 years & we can't hold his TV notoriety or series' against him. It's at best somewhat more of a popularity contest than it should be & there are a lot of great Bassmen out there, but if Iaconneli or anothher Johnny come lately wins over Roland I will be disapponted. If there's an objective winner it's Roland Martin in my book. Good fishing & better catching, Carl |
go-bassn wrote:
Greatness measured in terms of championships RZ? Ted Williams would be sick... So would Roland. Warren "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Russell better than Wilt??? lol WW Abolutely! Count the championships, man. Well, figuring out who won is the reason they keep score, isn't it? But seriously... different game. In baseball, no one player can win championships, except perhaps a closer. In basketball, one player can win. (eg, Jordan) but that wasn't Russell's style. He always did what he needed to to make his team the best they could be. If you look at the celtic dynasty years, the cast of characters around him changed, and he was the only constant. Don't mistake me for a Boston fan. Wilt's downfall was that he was too concerned about personal records -- scoring titles, rebound titles, etc., and not about the team. It's a team game, so the nod for best center ever goes to Russell. In fact, I'd put Wilt #3 behind Russell and Kareem. |
Cmon now, both Russell & Jordan had strong supporting casts in their
championship runs. And MJ belongs on the list before Kareem lol. Roland will win the contest, by the way :-) WW "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Greatness measured in terms of championships RZ? Ted Williams would be sick... So would Roland. Warren "RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Russell better than Wilt??? lol WW Abolutely! Count the championships, man. Well, figuring out who won is the reason they keep score, isn't it? But seriously... different game. In baseball, no one player can win championships, except perhaps a closer. In basketball, one player can win. (eg, Jordan) but that wasn't Russell's style. He always did what he needed to to make his team the best they could be. If you look at the celtic dynasty years, the cast of characters around him changed, and he was the only constant. Don't mistake me for a Boston fan. Wilt's downfall was that he was too concerned about personal records -- scoring titles, rebound titles, etc., and not about the team. It's a team game, so the nod for best center ever goes to Russell. In fact, I'd put Wilt #3 behind Russell and Kareem. |
I had Charles at #2, instead of #1 only because he gave me no props for my
contribution to his fluke abilities on his website : P As for me . . . I've always been critical of Bill because of his gross commercialism, but I think he was a great angler in his day. Perhaps # 3-4. Rick Clunn gets my vote for #1 . . . too bad for charles g. -- God Bless America Josh The Bad Bear |
go-bassn wrote:
Cmon now, both Russell & Jordan had strong supporting casts in their championship runs. And MJ belongs on the list before Kareem lol. Roland will win the contest, by the way :-) In response to RichZ writing: It's a team game, so the nod for best center ever goes to Russell. In fact, I'd put Wilt #3 behind Russell and Kareem. MJ wasn't a center. Anyway, I would put Roland and Rick in a dead heat. But I would have thought that younger anglers would have put a more current guy ahead because they are more familiar with the younger guys. My problem is I still think of Klien and Yelas as 'youngsters'.G |
lmao you old...
"RichZ" wrote in message ... go-bassn wrote: Cmon now, both Russell & Jordan had strong supporting casts in their championship runs. And MJ belongs on the list before Kareem lol. Roland will win the contest, by the way :-) In response to RichZ writing: It's a team game, so the nod for best center ever goes to Russell. In fact, I'd put Wilt #3 behind Russell and Kareem. MJ wasn't a center. Anyway, I would put Roland and Rick in a dead heat. But I would have thought that younger anglers would have put a more current guy ahead because they are more familiar with the younger guys. My problem is I still think of Klien and Yelas as 'youngsters'.G |
go-bassn wrote:
lmao you old... Did you happen to see what Pete Gluczek(sp?) did in the Everstart down at Kerr today? Wow. http://everstart.flwoutdoors.com/tou...005&aid=143041 |
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