When do you use a leader?
 

This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?

"Seismo" wrote in message
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This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?


Actually I use lines a little differently than you might think. In all, but
the clearest waters I use braid tied directly to my boat. For topwater and
crankbaits I use mono. I'ld love to use braid for those too, but my skills
aren't at the point where I can do that. I need the give of the mono to
keep me from tearing the bait out of the fish.

For gin clear water I just use straight Seaguar CarbonPro Pure flouro
carbon. I can't see any real benefit to mixing it up except maybe for
sal****er where I would want the added line capacity of braid relative to
the pound test, and then a clear flouro leader for spooky and finicky fish
like albacore.

Also, I have noticed more difference from line diameter due to differing
fall rates of the biat rather than due to visibility.

JM 2¢


--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?

I am pretty similar to Bob in my approach, except for crankbaits I
always use braids with a fluoro leader (if the water requires it). The
braid gives me a small line diameter which gives me more running depth.
Also the braid increases the feel I have for determing cover and
helping me detect the subtle changes in the cranksbaits motion, which
can be the difference from hooking up and never knowing a fish was even
there.

For clear water I use fluorocarbon from 8' to 4' depending on the type
of cover and what the fish are telling me they want.

I use braids for all my flipping / pitching rods, and will put on a
heavier fluoro leader if the water is clear. Problem is, when you start
getting up to the heavier weights, line diameter can somewhat take away
from what the fluoro gives you.

My 2 cents as well

Chris

Bob La Londe wrote:

Actually I use lines a little differently than you might think. In all, but
the clearest waters I use braid tied directly to my boat.....
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Yeah, that's a little different than I might think. How do you cast
that sucker? LOL.

Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain, it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

I agree, if it will eat a bright orange senko.... a little line won't scare
it away



"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain,
it certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:00:23 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
sent into the ether:


"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain, it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.

DITTO

Remove the x for e-mail reply
www.outdoorfrontiers.com
www.SecretWeaponLures.com
A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!!

Same here, right to the hook. But, I usually use braided in situations
where mono is inferior, like heave pads and thick vegetation. If I want to
horse one out of the back of the pads, I'll use braid. For most other
situations I can rely on the rod and drag to safely land the fish.

Rich P


"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:00:23 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
sent into the ether:


"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison
says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try.
I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless
of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain,
it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.

DITTO

Remove the x for e-mail reply
www.outdoorfrontiers.com
www.SecretWeaponLures.com
A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and
Fish!!!

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"RichZ" wrote in message
...
Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain, it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

I've never used a leader. Went fishing a spring-fed gravel pit this
morning, crystal clear water. Tied 20# PowerPro directly to a 1/0 hook
with 1/16 oz bullet weight and fished a 3" Mann's Dragin Fly. Caught 10
smallish bass and a nice bluegill in an hour. They didn't seem to care
that they could see the line.

Depends on the fish. Bass do not seem to be leader shy. They are not using
their eyes, but lateral lines for finding food. Mostly they are either
hungry when hitting the bait, or mad when hitting the bait. Other fish are
leader shy. Some like Albacore and other tuna, have big eyes, and see
extremely well. Then a flourocarbon leader on braid or mono will help you
hook fish.

"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:
This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison
says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain,
it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

I've never used a leader. Went fishing a spring-fed gravel pit this
morning, crystal clear water. Tied 20# PowerPro directly to a 1/0 hook
with 1/16 oz bullet weight and fished a 3" Mann's Dragin Fly. Caught 10
smallish bass and a nice bluegill in an hour. They didn't seem to care
that they could see the line.

Henry Hefner wrote:

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:

"RichZ" wrote in message
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Seismo wrote:

This is going to sound like a stupid question but as Mr. Garrison says,
there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
I've always used mono line on my Curado.
All this talk lately of braided line makes me want to give it a try. I
assume you use a mono or flourocarbon leader for (in)visibility
purposes when using braided lines?
How much of a leader do you typically use - 6-8" or so?

What other situations would you use a leader on standard rod and
reels(non-fly-tackle)?



I NEVER use a leader on braided line. I tie direct to the hook.

I'm with Rich on this one. I too tie directly to the hook, regardless of
what type of lure I'm using.

I figure that if a fish's brain isn't developed enough to register pain, it
certainly isn't going to reason out a line from the lure.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com


I've never used a leader. Went fishing a spring-fed gravel pit this
morning, crystal clear water. Tied 20# PowerPro directly to a 1/0 hook
with 1/16 oz bullet weight and fished a 3" Mann's Dragin Fly. Caught 10
smallish bass and a nice bluegill in an hour. They didn't seem to care
that they could see the line.

Well, this could almost be a religious debate. Ask KVD and he will tell
you that line doesn't matter. who could really argue with him. I
believe that is does in certain circumstances, in clear water, with a
slow presentation I believe it does make a difference. As long as I am
not breaking fish off I will continue running a fluoro leader in clear
water.
I know Trout and Bass are not the same fish, but I have seen
fluorocarbon make a difference in catching steelhead and browns, and I
just carry that over to bass. I figure as long as it is not hurting me,
I will stick with it.

Chris

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
news:42a45ca7$0 but I have seen
fluorocarbon make a difference in catching steelhead and browns,

I'm with ya Chris, I would never fish braid for trout, those wet socks see
everything :-)

Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.

"Seismo" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.


Flouro carbon has very little stretch compared to mono. Go for a hard hook
set with 12Lb Seaguar with less than 30 yards of line and it will jar your
arms almost as much as braid on a similar action and power rod.


--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:
"Seismo" wrote in message
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Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.



Flouro carbon has very little stretch compared to mono. Go for a hard hook
set with 12Lb Seaguar with less than 30 yards of line and it will jar your
arms almost as much as braid on a similar action and power rod.


You beat me to it Bob :-). I love the sensitivity you get from Fluoro.
To me it is like a braid/mono mix without the castability. Pure
fluoro is too stiff. Fluoroclear is nice, but then you lose the
sensitivity you get from pure fluoro. So a lot of time I use 10/2 PP
with about a 3' fluoro leader. That way I get castability and the
benefits of both PP (fused/braid) and fluoro.

Chris

Dean Rojas says he'll never fish mono again.

WW

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:
"Seismo" wrote in message
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Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.



Flouro carbon has very little stretch compared to mono. Go for a hard
hook
set with 12Lb Seaguar with less than 30 yards of line and it will jar
your
arms almost as much as braid on a similar action and power rod.


You beat me to it Bob :-). I love the sensitivity you get from Fluoro.
To me it is like a braid/mono mix without the castability. Pure
fluoro is too stiff. Fluoroclear is nice, but then you lose the
sensitivity you get from pure fluoro. So a lot of time I use 10/2 PP
with about a 3' fluoro leader. That way I get castability and the
benefits of both PP (fused/braid) and fluoro.

Chris

What do you say about the braid Warren? Use it at all? If so when?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
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Dean Rojas says he'll never fish mono again.

WW

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Seismo" wrote in message
oups.com...

Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.



Flouro carbon has very little stretch compared to mono. Go for a hard
hook
set with 12Lb Seaguar with less than 30 yards of line and it will jar
your
arms almost as much as braid on a similar action and power rod.


You beat me to it Bob :-). I love the sensitivity you get from Fluoro.
To me it is like a braid/mono mix without the castability. Pure
fluoro is too stiff. Fluoroclear is nice, but then you lose the
sensitivity you get from pure fluoro. So a lot of time I use 10/2 PP
with about a 3' fluoro leader. That way I get castability and the
benefits of both PP (fused/braid) and fluoro.

Chris

Rojas was referring to using fleurocarbon to replace mono Randy. I don't
have braid on any of my rods at present, I just haven't liked fishing with
it.

Warren

"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
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What do you say about the braid Warren? Use it at all? If so when?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Dean Rojas says he'll never fish mono again.

WW

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Seismo" wrote in message
oups.com...

Thanks, guys. This has really helped.
Sounds like the short answer is - braided line when toughness counts
and stretch is not needed and mono or flourocarbon for other
applications - eached tied directly to the line...at least for bass
fishing.



Flouro carbon has very little stretch compared to mono. Go for a
hard
hook
set with 12Lb Seaguar with less than 30 yards of line and it will jar
your
arms almost as much as braid on a similar action and power rod.


You beat me to it Bob :-). I love the sensitivity you get from
Fluoro.
To me it is like a braid/mono mix without the castability. Pure
fluoro is too stiff. Fluoroclear is nice, but then you lose the
sensitivity you get from pure fluoro. So a lot of time I use 10/2 PP
with about a 3' fluoro leader. That way I get castability and the
benefits of both PP (fused/braid) and fluoro.

Chris