Carp
 

I went fishing the other day and caught 2 bass and 9 carp. The bass were
too small to keep, so they went back in the water. The carp ranged in
size from about 2 pounds to one that was probably close to 10. Guess
where they ended up? On the bank, where they belong. The only good carp
is a dead carp. I've never thrown a carp back in the water, and I never
will.


Super_Duper wrote:
http://www.texasfishingforum.com/.ub...1;t=008041;p=1


The "Trash Fish Label" is a bit of mistaken Cause and Effect.

Back during the industrialization of America, natural water ways were
being diverted, dammed, drained, and polluted. This coupled with
freshwater commercial fishing lead to the not so surprising situation of
declining natural fish stocks. The US goverment was well aware of the
problem. After much research, they decided that one solution to the
problem was to import and stock Cyprinus Carpio - aka Carp.

There reasoning was that carp were hardy enought to survive the less
than ideal conditions men had created. Additionally, carp could produce
plenty of protein on very little sustenance. Finally, the large
immigrant communities were hungry for a taste of home.

So, the US government set about on one of the most successful stocking
programs in history. In the 1890's German fish were imported and stocked
as brood stock in ponds near Washington DC and MD. From there shipments
were made upon request to virtually every congressional district in the
USA. People asked, and the gov't provided.

Then a couple of things happened. Water quality due to pollution,
fertilizers, and altered water ways continued to decline. People began
to notice that in some cases the only survivors were carp. Instead of
admiring the carp's tenacity and mending our own ways, Americans began
blaming carp for the problem of declining native fish stocks. Not too
logical since carp were a response to the problem rather than the cause
of the problem.

A second event deepened the perception. The invention of refridgerated
shipping. Before this event, fish were mostly a local fresh food item.
After this invention, salt water species could be caught hundreds of
miles away and provided to the country's interior in an edible state.
Needless to say, the freshwater commercial fisheries took a huge hit as
diets turned from local fresh water fish like carp and buffalo to tasty
sal****er products like salmon, flounder, etc.

It was not long before a stigma was attached to carp. Being nearly the
sole survivor of man's abuse, they were blamed for displacing more
desireable species. It mattered not that the waters in question were
often incapable of now supporting the favored species.

Those who could not afford fancy fish shipped from the sea, would
continue to eat local fare like carp. It was not long before folks began
using carp consumption as yet another racial stereotype.

Politicians being quick to recognize a scapegoat, were more than happy
to decry the evil carp, especially since it helped avoid blame for
industrial pollution, agricultural run off, excessive irrigation,
channelization, etc. etc.

Without an advocate to defend her, the Queen of the Rivers (as noted by
Izaak Walton) came to be regarded as a scourge, a pest, a "TRASHFISH."

Once ingrained in the culture, such labels are hard to shed. I see it
continuing yet today...
A man and his son are enjoying a warm spring afternoon fishing worms for
bass or catfish or walleye or whatever. Suddenly, the little boy's pole
doubles over. For about 10 minutes all is joy. Dad smiling, Jr.
squealing with glee. Then a large golden flank roles near the surface
and a pair of fleshy orange lips poke above the water.

Father's face falls. F'ing carp. Too bad. It's so ugly. Junior now
doesn't know whether to be happy or sad about this, the grandest fish he
has ever caught. Taking his cues from dad, he spits on the fish and
curses it. Dad tells him to throw it in the bushes and they get back to
catching their intended, smaller fish. Lesson Learned.

Scroll forward a few years and Jr. signs on the a place like the TFF.
Carp are mention and Jr has a visceral negative reaction.

Such a scenario will not quickly change. However, there are an
increasing number who have discovered that all is not as it appears.
Join the fun, become a part of the "Carp Brigade."

--------------------
Brian "Carpaholic" Nordberg

That's some reading comprehension you got there.

"Jay C" wrote in message
link.net...
I went fishing the other day and caught 2 bass and 9 carp. The bass were
too small to keep, so they went back in the water. The carp ranged in
size from about 2 pounds to one that was probably close to 10. Guess
where they ended up? On the bank, where they belong. The only good carp
is a dead carp. I've never thrown a carp back in the water, and I never
will.


Super_Duper wrote:

http://www.texasfishingforum.com/.ub...1;t=008041;p=1


The "Trash Fish Label" is a bit of mistaken Cause and Effect.

Back during the industrialization of America, natural water ways were
being diverted, dammed, drained, and polluted. This coupled with
freshwater commercial fishing lead to the not so surprising situation of
declining natural fish stocks. The US goverment was well aware of the
problem. After much research, they decided that one solution to the
problem was to import and stock Cyprinus Carpio - aka Carp.

There reasoning was that carp were hardy enought to survive the less
than ideal conditions men had created. Additionally, carp could produce
plenty of protein on very little sustenance. Finally, the large
immigrant communities were hungry for a taste of home.

So, the US government set about on one of the most successful stocking
programs in history. In the 1890's German fish were imported and stocked
as brood stock in ponds near Washington DC and MD. From there shipments
were made upon request to virtually every congressional district in the
USA. People asked, and the gov't provided.

Then a couple of things happened. Water quality due to pollution,
fertilizers, and altered water ways continued to decline. People began
to notice that in some cases the only survivors were carp. Instead of
admiring the carp's tenacity and mending our own ways, Americans began
blaming carp for the problem of declining native fish stocks. Not too
logical since carp were a response to the problem rather than the cause
of the problem.

A second event deepened the perception. The invention of refridgerated
shipping. Before this event, fish were mostly a local fresh food item.
After this invention, salt water species could be caught hundreds of
miles away and provided to the country's interior in an edible state.
Needless to say, the freshwater commercial fisheries took a huge hit as
diets turned from local fresh water fish like carp and buffalo to tasty
sal****er products like salmon, flounder, etc.

It was not long before a stigma was attached to carp. Being nearly the
sole survivor of man's abuse, they were blamed for displacing more
desireable species. It mattered not that the waters in question were
often incapable of now supporting the favored species.

Those who could not afford fancy fish shipped from the sea, would
continue to eat local fare like carp. It was not long before folks began
using carp consumption as yet another racial stereotype.

Politicians being quick to recognize a scapegoat, were more than happy
to decry the evil carp, especially since it helped avoid blame for
industrial pollution, agricultural run off, excessive irrigation,
channelization, etc. etc.

Without an advocate to defend her, the Queen of the Rivers (as noted by
Izaak Walton) came to be regarded as a scourge, a pest, a "TRASHFISH."

Once ingrained in the culture, such labels are hard to shed. I see it
continuing yet today...
A man and his son are enjoying a warm spring afternoon fishing worms for
bass or catfish or walleye or whatever. Suddenly, the little boy's pole
doubles over. For about 10 minutes all is joy. Dad smiling, Jr.
squealing with glee. Then a large golden flank roles near the surface
and a pair of fleshy orange lips poke above the water.

Father's face falls. F'ing carp. Too bad. It's so ugly. Junior now
doesn't know whether to be happy or sad about this, the grandest fish he
has ever caught. Taking his cues from dad, he spits on the fish and
curses it. Dad tells him to throw it in the bushes and they get back to
catching their intended, smaller fish. Lesson Learned.

Scroll forward a few years and Jr. signs on the a place like the TFF.
Carp are mention and Jr has a visceral negative reaction.

Such a scenario will not quickly change. However, there are an
increasing number who have discovered that all is not as it appears.
Join the fun, become a part of the "Carp Brigade."

--------------------
Brian "Carpaholic" Nordberg

"I.Epstein" wrote in message
news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...
That's some reading comprehension you got there.


Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
populations.

(Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Exactly.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"I.Epstein" wrote in message
news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...
That's some reading comprehension you got there.


Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
populations.

(Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

From: "Bob La Londe"

|
| "I.Epstein" wrote in message
| news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...
That's some reading comprehension you got there.

| Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
| populations.
|
| (Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)
|
| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
|

Some fish have been have been stocked in waters w/o detrimental effects. Example ate
American Shad and Striped Bass.

Striped Bass were taken off my beach here in NJ and brought to California and have had no
problems with competion with native species and are a good sport fish now on the Left Coast.

The American Shad was taken from NY's Hudson River and also brought to Califonia. They too
have had no problems with competion with native species and are a good sport fish now on the
Left Coast.

Other fish on the otherhand are a BIG problem in the US For example the Jumping Carp and
the Snakefish.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Other fish on the otherhand are a BIG problem in the US For example the
Jumping Carp and
the Snakefish.

Snakeheads are not the big problem they are being made out to be. They have
been around in East Coast Rivers for well over 20 years now and going
against predictions have not forced out native species. They have had very
little impact. The press got ahold of the Snakehead story and blew it out of
proportion without noting they have been around for a long time.

From: "Jeff"

|
| Other fish on the otherhand are a BIG problem in the US For example the
| Jumping Carp and
the Snakefish.

| Snakeheads are not the big problem they are being made out to be. They have
| been around in East Coast Rivers for well over 20 years now and going
| against predictions have not forced out native species. They have had very
| little impact. The press got ahold of the Snakehead story and blew it out of
| proportion without noting they have been around for a long time.
|

Thatnks. I had incorrectly called the the "snakefish" rather than "Snakeheads".

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Yeah, why does everyone misunderstand the point of the original post?

So many waters are so far gone that the only fish that can thrive in
them anymore are carp. Carp aren't causing the damage, they are
*surviving* the damage. Learn how to fish for them now, because before
you know it, they're gonna be all that's left.

In my own home region, people keep speculating that the reason alewives
are not coming up the rivers from the ocean to spawn is that carp are
eating their eggs. It's not 150 years of garbage we poured into the
rivers that's killing the alewives, it's the carp. Sure.

My point is that the issue of carp seems to be the only time fishermen
(and women) get all 'ecological.' Fishermen should be fighting for
environmental protection every day. If you fish and you don't care
about the environment, you should be fishing for carp.

ps--where my wife's family comes from in Europe, carp are not native
(they're native to Asia) but I've caught carp and trout in the same
river there. Nobody's afraid that the trout fishery will be destroyed
by carp. But then, carp stocks are pretty low because think that
catch-and-release carp fishing is absolutely crazy. They love to eat
carp so much they have it for dinner on Christmas eve.



David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "Bob La Londe"

|
| "I.Epstein" wrote in message
| news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...

That's some reading comprehension you got there.


| Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
| populations.
|
| (Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)
|
| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
|

Some fish have been have been stocked in waters w/o detrimental effects. Example ate
American Shad and Striped Bass.

Striped Bass were taken off my beach here in NJ and brought to California and have had no
problems with competion with native species and are a good sport fish now on the Left Coast.

The American Shad was taken from NY's Hudson River and also brought to Califonia. They too
have had no problems with competion with native species and are a good sport fish now on the
Left Coast.

Other fish on the otherhand are a BIG problem in the US For example the Jumping Carp and
the Snakefish.

nobody wrote:
Yeah, why does everyone misunderstand the point of the original post?

So many waters are so far gone that the only fish that can thrive in
them anymore are carp. Carp aren't causing the damage, they are
*surviving* the damage. Learn how to fish for them now, because before
you know it, they're gonna be all that's left.

Hell man I don't know where you live ,but around here the water quality
has improved a hundred fold in the last 35 years, we have creeks that
were totally lifeless 35 years ago teaming with all kinds of fish now ,
from bass to cats, I know of no waters within 100 miles of my
house,,well really, I personally no none in the whole state that will
only support carp

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...

"I.Epstein" wrote in message
news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...
That's some reading comprehension you got there.


Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
populations.

(Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)

Nor are most trout. Only the Apache Trout is a native to Arizona.

Carp
 

As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a trout) and
the sea run stuff.

"James" wrote in message
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...

"I.Epstein" wrote in message
news:INeve.1525$cz6.226@trndny07...
That's some reading comprehension you got there.


Instead of reviling the carp, lets restore the waterways, and the native
populations.

(Yes I know bass aren't native to Arizona, but trout are.)

Nor are most trout. Only the Apache Trout is a native to Arizona.

Carp
 

"greg" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a trout)
and
the sea run stuff.


Rainbows are native to the western United States.
Including the chars, Cutthroats, Dolly Varden, Lake, Brook trout are
all native to the United States. The Brown trout was introduced from Europe.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~aquacent...ons/TROUT.html

Carp
 

"Musashi" wrote in message
...

"greg" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a trout)
and
the sea run stuff.


Rainbows are native to the western United States.
Including the chars, Cutthroats, Dolly Varden, Lake, Brook trout are
all native to the United States. The Brown trout was introduced from
Europe.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~aquacent...ons/TROUT.html

The Rainbow Trout was introduced in Arizona in 1898.

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/fish_rainbow_trout.shtml

Carp
 

"James" wrote in message
news:YRI3f.5867$MN6.4090@fed1read04...

"Musashi" wrote in message
...

"greg" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a
trout)
and
the sea run stuff.


Rainbows are native to the western United States.
Including the chars, Cutthroats, Dolly Varden, Lake, Brook trout are
all native to the United States. The Brown trout was introduced from
Europe.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~aquacent...ons/TROUT.html

The Rainbow Trout was introduced in Arizona in 1898.

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/fish_rainbow_trout.shtml


Rainbows are native to the UNITED STATES.
Specifically the northern west coast.
The first state that received a shipment for transplant was New York State
in 1874.
Arizona got theirs in 1898.
I was addressing the incorrect statement that "As I understand it, all the
rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were brought to this country."

Carp
 

Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians
peace
"Musashi" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
news:YRI3f.5867$MN6.4090@fed1read04...

"Musashi" wrote in message
...

"greg" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a
trout)
and
the sea run stuff.


Rainbows are native to the western United States.
Including the chars, Cutthroats, Dolly Varden, Lake, Brook trout are
all native to the United States. The Brown trout was introduced from
Europe.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~aquacent...ons/TROUT.html

The Rainbow Trout was introduced in Arizona in 1898.

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/fish_rainbow_trout.shtml


Rainbows are native to the UNITED STATES.
Specifically the northern west coast.
The first state that received a shipment for transplant was New York State
in 1874.
Arizona got theirs in 1898.
I was addressing the incorrect statement that "As I understand it, all the
rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were brought to this country."

Carp
 

MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

What we need is a marketing effort to make Carp Fishing more attractive.
Yea, the Brits kill me with their Carp Fishing but they have the right idea.
Also come up with away to use all that Carp. Don't tell me that we have no
hungry
people left in this country.


"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Fredrick wrote:

What we need is a marketing effort to make Carp Fishing more attractive.
Yea, the Brits kill me with their Carp Fishing but they have the right idea.
Also come up with away to use all that Carp.

The Brits have no native large fish left, you want a fight,, all you
have is the imported carp, as they dominated all their water ways, since
their introduction,, no we should not accept carp,, we should spend to
time to generate a means of eradicating them, if they become a popular
game fish then they won't,, then in another hundred years, the only big
fish we will have will be carp, personally I like big cat fish and strip
much better than carp.

Have you ever ate carp ? I have,, sorry, but I put it at the bottom of
the list according to taste,, so do most americans,, it's nearly unheard
of in stores down south,, maybe up north they sell them, but down here
they are harvested for cat food, and the price is less than a dollar a
pound, (if you can find someone to buy them) hardly worth fishing for
commercially

They do have a few carp "shooting" contest up on the Tennessee river,
these guys take bows, and shoot them, it now takes a bow shooter two
flat bottom boats completely full, and almost sinking, to get even in
the running (they tow another boat behind the shooting boat and fill
them both up), I've heard some of these one day turnies kill a couple
hundred tons of carp, and don't even dent the population in Gunterville
lake. I think that now carp are over 50% of that lake's total fish weight




Don't tell me that we have no
hungry
people left in this country.


"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...

MR Ed wrote:

Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com





--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Rodney Long wrote:


They do have a few carp "shooting" contest up on the Tennessee river,
these guys take bows, and shoot them, it now takes a bow shooter two
flat bottom boats completely full, and almost sinking, to get even in
the running (they tow another boat behind the shooting boat and fill
them both up), I've heard some of these one day turnies kill a couple
hundred tons of carp, and don't even dent the population in Gunterville
lake. I think that now carp are over 50% of that lake's total fish weight

I just found out that they have changed the rules of those tournaments,,
they got where they could not unload the tons of carp (cats must have
got smart),, now they shoot all they can, but only bring in 5 fish to be
weighed, (the rest fertilizes the lake I guess), and the top weight of
the five fish is judged

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Rodney Long wrote:
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

Ideally you don't condone wanton waste. Would guess you won't get any
business in Europe where Carp are appreciated.

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely. Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them? Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

If you want to see the true villain species, just look in the mirror.

It's good to have no limits on non-native Eurasian minnows (Carp, Grass
Carp, Bighead Carp, Silver Carp, Black Carp, and any similar species I
may have forgotten in this list), but in the very least, use them as
fertilizer.

With all the poverty and the bad US economy, there are bound to be
people who would gladly eat Carp rather than starve.

Scoring, pickling, adding lots of spice.

I once caught a large Carp and took it to an Asian family. The husband
and I cleaned the Carp, the wife cooked it and showed me some pointers
on preparation, and it didn't taste bad.

The main problem I have with consuming Carp around where I live is the
Carp might have industrial pollutants from eating the gunk on the
bottom of polluted rivers. Once again, homo sapiens is to blame for my
not harvesting more Carp.

Bighead Carp seem to be the biggest danger to the environment where I
live, so I try not to release any I catch. Unlike Carp, who tend to
eat abundant stuff many native fish wouldn't consume in the first
place, Bighead Carp eat the plankton that are needed by baby fish and
by Paddlefish, thus Bighead Carp (and their close relative the Silver
Carp) destroy the entire food chain.

Carp
 

Terry Lomax wrote:


If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely.


To many to use
Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them?

I've never cooked them,, but have tried them cooked by people who claim
they cook them the best,, and they are still awful
Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)

No one wants them

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

If you want to see the true villain species, just look in the mirror.

It's good to have no limits on non-native Eurasian minnows (Carp, Grass
Carp, Bighead Carp, Silver Carp, Black Carp, and any similar species I
may have forgotten in this list), but in the very least, use them as
fertilizer.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

With all the poverty and the bad US economy, there are bound to be
people who would gladly eat Carp rather than starve.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

Scoring, pickling, adding lots of spice.

I once caught a large Carp and took it to an Asian family. The husband
and I cleaned the Carp, the wife cooked it and showed me some pointers
on preparation, and it didn't taste bad.

The main problem I have with consuming Carp around where I live is the
Carp might have industrial pollutants from eating the gunk on the
bottom of polluted rivers. Once again, homo sapiens is to blame for my
not harvesting more Carp.

Bighead Carp seem to be the biggest danger to the environment where I
live, so I try not to release any I catch. Unlike Carp, who tend to
eat abundant stuff many native fish wouldn't consume in the first
place, Bighead Carp eat the plankton that are needed by baby fish and
by Paddlefish, thus Bighead Carp (and their close relative the Silver
Carp) destroy the entire food chain.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Rodney Long wrote:

No one wants them

Correction: nobody you know wants them.

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

Wrong. And the dams have varying water levels which cause the Carp
population highs. When water is high and gets backed up, there's ample
spawning ground. Typical of a hypocrite to bitch about Carp and
condone the dams that allow Carp to flourish. It would be best if dams
were decomissioned. It costs enormous amounts of money to maintain
dams.

Late last year an electric reservoir in Missouri failed, causing
catastrophic damage. This shows hydro dams are unsafe.

Dams also block fish migration, killing off nearly 100% of Salmonoids
in the Pacific Northwest. Hydro dams have killed off most of the
native Paddlefish in the Midwest.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation. You
Bush apologists create a lot of this by going to war and creating
hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans. In addition, you Bu****es
favor the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. The US
economy is terrible, with an alltime high of debt. Most Americans have
a negative net worth. Joblessness and underemployment are extremely
high. Most jobs are moved overseas. Why don't you walk down a street
in New Orleans or a similar Gulf city and see how great the conditions
are.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water

They don't replace anything. You meathogs and murderers of "rough
fish" cause the increase in Carp population by:

1) Being meathogs and keeping large predators such as big Bass and huge
Catfish. Giant Catfish can put a dent in Carp overpopulations, but
most people who fish for Cat keep every Cat they catch. Good Cat
anglers release every Cat over a certain size, knowing the small/medium
Cat taste better and that the key to a good ecosystem is the release of
the top predators.

2) Murdering the biggest predators of Carp. The fish that keep Carp in
line the most are the Gars. Gar are extremely important to the
ecosystem, thinning out rough fish such as Shad and Carp. Gar get big,
so they can eat big rough fish too big for a Bass to eat.
Unfortunately, the same a-holes who murder some Carp also murder every
Gar they see. It's rare to see a bank without the carcasses of Gar who
were thrown on the bank by a-holes. Cracker rednecks often shoot Gar
with guns. Every time a Gar is killed, thousands of Carp and Gizzard
shad survive, and the sick and weak of all species stay alive and use
up oxygen, stunt all the fish, and the gene pool is worsened.

You Republicans also caused Carp overpopulation by killing off nearly
all the birds of prey with DDT, a substance your kind claims isn't
harmful. Were it not for DDT, eagles and hawks would remove a decent
number of Carp. Rednecks also shoot eagles and hawks on a regular
basis.

The main reason Carp "replace" other species is people pollute and
destroy a body of water, so the native species (who tend to be not as
tough as Carp) die out and the few fish that survive include Carp.
Some waters are so polluted, the only species who can survive are Carp,
Bullheads, and Green Sunfish.

[snip spam advertisements for completely worthless devices nobody would
ever use]

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Terry Lomax wrote:


We do ,, lake fertilizer


It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

You don't even know the food chain, and how even bacteria is absolutely
necessary in it,, man just open your eyes and look at the salmon run,
where "ALL" of them die at one time in their streams after they spawn


Are you not the very person,, who just posted they killed all big head
carp ? Talk about being a hypocrite,, your talking about yourself,

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.


The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation.

I said show me,, you can't !!!!!! total left wing B.S. with no proof
and the rest of this post is not even worth wasting my time on,, all I
can say is get educated instead, of listening to propaganda. The left
wing news media would be all over a "single" person starving to death in
the US. Malnutrition is here, but it is due ""100%"" to people spending
what they have on illegal drugs, instead of feeding their kids, or
themselves, most homeless as well, are there for the same reason, or too
lazy to go out and get a job, wanting the government to support them,,
and guess what, the government does. I have never seen a hungry person
in the US not get a free meal "ANYWHERE", and EVERYWHERE, no one turns
down a person who needs a meal,, and the "I will work for food scam" is
just that, a scam, I watched a guy a few years ago take over 50
donations from motorist, and his girl friend (or wife) picked him up in
a "NEW" camaro, I know she was with him , because he opened the door and
jumped in before the car hardly stopped.

The Other B.S. is just that.

P.S.

You bet I am for the rich, I have never had a poor man, give me a job.
without the rich, we would indeed have starvation, and a ZERO economy

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

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"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
oups.com...
Rodney Long wrote:
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

Ideally you don't condone wanton waste. Would guess you won't get any
business in Europe where Carp are appreciated.

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely. Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them? Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)


Yea, the Chinese eat carp. Probably tastes good too.
But, the people who I run into specifically fishing for carp
are almost always eastern Europeans,...Yugoslavians, Hungarians, etc.
Last time I fished for carp (just for kicks) I had thes people come up
to me and ask me if they could have the fish if I wasn't keeping it. Be my
guest.
Plus, a good Jewish Grandmother will turn a carp into gefilte fish.
I've also heard from alot of people that carp is actually good when smoked.
This I believe since smoking seems to make otherwise not-so-tasty fish
pretty edible. Those who adovacte eating carp tell me that carp caught in
winter are the best because they don't taste as muddy as in the warmer
months.
This makes perfect sense but I don't think I've ever seen a carp in
wintertime.
The same folks tell me that a carp should be kept alive in a bucket of water
for
a few days to get the "muddiness" taste out of the fish.
Anyway, I do think that we don't utilize the carp as much as we probably can
since
it's an important food fish in many parts of the world, even farmed in some
places.
I also think there is an incredible prejudice against this fish, apart from
the valid scientific
reasons as to why we ought to get rid of them.

Carp
 

Harold wrote:


MR Ed wrote:

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely.

That's like saying, if you kill a cock roach, you must eat them, or give
them to someone to eat, same for coyotes (non native for this area).

I utilize carp completely,, I return them to the food chain, from which
they stole from, dead carp work great for adding nutrition back to the
water ecosystem


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Rodney,

I myself had tasted carp in Russia when both my wife and I picked
our daughter. They
usually smoked them. Our hosts had told us to
cut out the mud vein or keep them alive for a
couple of days. The carp that they had tasted
very good.
I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.



Trouter

Carp
 

David Norris wrote:


I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.

I do both,, great, fun way, to get rid of vermin.

CARP are the enemy of all natural fishes, in any body of water,
uncontrolled, they become 80% (or more) of a body of water's, fish
bio-mass. Kill every carp you catch,, kill every carp you can get a shot
at :-),, you can have fun doing it, but "NEVER C&R A CARP", your doing
nothing good for the environment, if you do.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

Having caught carp while fishing for other species, and fished just for
them, found they are excellent fighters as they get bigger. What turned me
off eating them was they felt mushy when handling them after being in the
fish bucket. I have had friends smoke Carp for me and surprisingly it is
not bad at all.

Have used live Carp about four pounds for bait in Lake Mead NV fishing for
large Catfish and Striped Bass. Caught a couple of Carp 20+ pounds and
thought I had the lake monster on the line. Most of the catch was returned
with maybe a few smaller ones brought home for fertilizer. Roses love Carp.

Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable fish.
Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.


Rick



"David Norris" wrote in message
...

Rodney,

I myself had tasted carp in Russia when both my wife and I picked
our daughter. They
usually smoked them. Our hosts had told us to
cut out the mud vein or keep them alive for a
couple of days. The carp that they had tasted
very good.
I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.



Trouter

Carp
 

Richard Eklund wrote:


Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable fish.


Carp "make" the waters so the more desirable fish can't survive

Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.

I AGREE 1000%,, carp's place is Asia


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

I do agee that carp do tend disturb the bottom
of a lake,pond or river,when they feed on the
roots of aquatic plants. That tend to make the
water muddy.
I don't eat carp here,in the U.S.,I usually
kill the carp and feed the rest of wildlife on their
bodies. Also I seen people who use jugs for
going after large catfish,used small to meduim
sized carp for bait.
That is all that they are good for. Other than
than colored varieties known as Koi,for the pet
trade. And food for the otters,raccoons and
minks along the shores of our waterways.

Trouter

Carp
 

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
Richard Eklund wrote:


Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable
fish.


Carp "make" the waters so the more desirable fish can't survive

Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a
bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.

I AGREE 1000%,, carp's place is Asia


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

Carp
 

Harold wrote:


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carp were introduced to Europe, from Asia, about 500 years ago
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
Harold wrote:


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carp were introduced to Europe, from Asia, about 500 years ago
--
Rodney Long

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.

"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

http://www.cnykoi.com/history/main.asp

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"Diamond Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:46:36 -0600, Rodney Long
wrote:
Harold wrote:
Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carp were introduced to Europe, from Asia, about 500 years ago

You guys are talking about the common grass carp, aren't you?
What about those new fangled Asian carp that are supposedly screwing up
the Mississippi and Missouri rivers? From what I've read about those,
they'll
do more damage here in 5 years than the grass carp has done since it's
been
here (USA). Yes, no ,maybe??

No. We are talking about the Common Carp, the fat brown slob fish with the
two barbels
that were introduced to the US in the 1800s. The basic ingredient for
Hungarian Carp with Paprika,
Gefilite Fish and Whole fried Chinese Carp.

For some reason we label a slew of fish all members of the carp family as
"carp" causing
mass confusion. The Grass Carp (which the Chinese call Grass Fish cause it
feeds on aquatic plants
and algae) and the Black Carp (which they call Blue Fish which feeds on
snails and mollusks)
don't look like the common carp.
Grass Carp were deliberately introduced in many states as a means to control
algae growth.
In some cases they were triploid so that they would not keep reproducing.
The Bighead Carp and Silver Carp really don't look like carp at all (more
like a huge shad with a
weird face), don't suck food off the bottom (they feed on plankton) are the
ones getting the news coverage
now. All these fish are edible and are used as food on the asian mainland
and southeast asia.
Other than the Common Carp and Grass Carp, the others were not deliberate
introductions and do
pose a potential threat to our native species and habitat. However as can be
expected, the extent of the threat
is largely speculation because these non-native species haven't been here
long enough to have
caused damage, in the way that the common carp's habit of digging up the
bottom has been studied over
so many years.

Carp
 

Harold wrote:



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.


It spread through man, placing it in the waters




"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

By "man" introducing it

"Carp originated in China and spread throughout Asia and Europe as an
ornamental and aquaculture species."

http://www.affa.gov.au/content/outpu...EC2BF6E44EB30B



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
Harold wrote:



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.


It spread through man, placing it in the waters




"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

By "man" introducing it

"Carp originated in China and spread throughout Asia and Europe as an
ornamental and aquaculture species."


http://www.affa.gov.au/content/outpu...EC2BF6E44EB30B


Looks like we finally agree on one thing. Yes, we humans are the ones who
introduced this fish
all over the world. They reproduce in mass numbers, eat just about anything
on the bottom, can live
in muddy oxygen poor waters, and can provide lots of cheap protein.
But obviously, an over abundance of them is a serious threat to both native
species
and habitat. In truth rather than hating the carp we ought to be hating the
idiot who brought them
over in the first place.
We live in a world where lunatics (like PETA) are trying to elimate fishing
alltogether, calling
those of us who fish "killers".
Advocating the killing of every carp you catch like it's some sort of a
crusade simply provides fuel
for these lunatics. The state DNRs have a responsibility to manage the
populations and distributions.
If they deem it necessary to kill everything in a body of water to contain
any given species then so be it.
As a hunter I wouldn't even think of shooting anything that I wasn't going
to eat. As a fisherman, I don't
believe killing fish I catch, especially mutilating them to vent my anger in
some errant direction does much
to help anyone. If States ran programs where you could bring in your carp
catch to any fishing license vendor
and the state paid a reward, per pound, per fish, whatever, this would help
immesely.

The common carp is in fact an edible food fish and we Americans have a very
serious problem with
prejudice towards certain species. Until 15 years ago we weren't even eating
monkfish, simply tossing them
away as a "trash fish" not knowing that it's a prized food fish in Europe.
Eventually the same thing will happen
to the Sea Robin.The prejudice we have towards the common carp is frankly,
absurd.
As responsible fishermen who care about our native species and habitants we
should be encouraging the use
of carp as a resouce. This, more than anything else can reduce their numbers
to the point of decimation.
Declaring that "Carp tastes like crap" and has no value at all, when this
fish is used and sold as food throughout
the world simply displays our degree of naivitee and ignorance.

Even with scientific data supporting controlling their population, the carp
itself is not as "alien" as you may think.
Take a good look at the bigmouth and smallmouth buffaloes. Just put two
barbels on their mouths. The
North American continent has never been "free" of the carp family as these
native fish, and suckers
and numerous minnows prove.

So yes, we humans spread this fish all over the world. And where they have
become a nuisance, we humans need
to find ways to eliminate them or reduce their numbers....without helping
the Peta retards.
But that's got nothing to do with hating the fish or denying their value as
a food resource.
And it's also got nothing to do with denying their value as a sport fish,
since England and most of Europe considers
them a sport fish and any one of us who has hooked one, either intentionally
or not can attest.

Carp
 

Harold wrote:

As a hunter I wouldn't even think of shooting anything that I wasn't going
to eat. As a fisherman, I don't
believe killing fish I catch, especially mutilating them to vent my anger in
some errant direction does much
to help anyone. If States ran programs where you could bring in your carp
catch to any fishing license vendor
and the state paid a reward, per pound, per fish, whatever, this would help
immesely.


I'm a varmint hunter as well as other game, I have no problems
controlling the numbers of varmints,, or carp. I eat all the game
animals I kill except the vermin. When I kill other game fish, or harm
them so I know they won't survive if released, they also go in the
frying pan, but not carp. There are many introduced species that "need"
to be killed, both fish and land animals. I have no problem dispatching
them, just like emptying a mouse trap I set. Sorry but it is man's
place, to control the number of animals, sometimes these animals can't
be utilized by man, like he toads taking over down under, and the rabbit
problem they have down there.

PETA can go screw themselves, we can not give into their for food only
approach,, as this is just the start, then they go the whole 9 yds, not
kill anything. for any reason, (including rats, and cock roaches) as
this is what they actually want, and believe in. If you fall for part,
it won't take them long to get you to fall for it all. They go one step
at a time.

Obey the game laws of your state, they know better than anyone else
(in most cases). If a person obeys the game laws, I have no problem with
anything they do with in that law. If you don't like the law,, then get
it changed

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Carp
 

"Harold" wrote in message
news:CkAUf.6534$kB1.5037@trndny07...


Even with scientific data supporting controlling their population, the
carp
itself is not as "alien" as you may think.
Take a good look at the bigmouth and smallmouth buffaloes. Just put two
barbels on their mouths.

sheepshead / Drum / buffalo are not closely related to carp.

Goldfish are closer to carp. (they crossbreed)

Carp
 

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
Harold wrote:

As a hunter I wouldn't even think of shooting anything that I wasn't
going
to eat. As a fisherman, I don't
believe killing fish I catch, especially mutilating them to vent my
anger in
some errant direction does much
to help anyone. If States ran programs where you could bring in your
carp
catch to any fishing license vendor
and the state paid a reward, per pound, per fish, whatever, this would
help
immesely.


I'm a varmint hunter as well as other game, I have no problems
controlling the numbers of varmints,, or carp. I eat all the game
animals I kill except the vermin. When I kill other game fish, or harm
them so I know they won't survive if released, they also go in the
frying pan, but not carp. There are many introduced species that "need"
to be killed, both fish and land animals. I have no problem dispatching
them, just like emptying a mouse trap I set. Sorry but it is man's
place, to control the number of animals, sometimes these animals can't
be utilized by man, like he toads taking over down under, and the rabbit
problem they have down there.

PETA can go screw themselves, we can not give into their for food only
approach,, as this is just the start, then they go the whole 9 yds, not
kill anything. for any reason, (including rats, and cock roaches) as
this is what they actually want, and believe in. If you fall for part,
it won't take them long to get you to fall for it all. They go one step
at a time.

Obey the game laws of your state, they know better than anyone else
(in most cases). If a person obeys the game laws, I have no problem with
anything they do with in that law. If you don't like the law,, then get
it changed


Do you know of any state where common carp caught MUST be kept, and
it is illegal to return it unharmed to the water? If you do, please let me
know.
I don't think killing every carp you see is obeying any game law in any
state.

As far as I can tell, only Australia has such laws.

And as for Grass carp, it is still in use as an algae elimination tool in
some
parts of the country and in some places MUST be returned to the water.

"Although fishing is permitted in the Imperial Valley canal system,
possession of live grass carp in California is illegal. Possession of grass
carp requires a special legal permit granted through the Department of Fish
and Game for the sole purpose of aquatic weed control. If you catch a grass
carp, you are required by law to return it to the water. Failure to abide by
this law may result in fine and/or imprisonment. The current penalty for
illegal possession and transport of grass carp is a fine of $5,000 and/or up
to one year in county jail."

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"Pepperoni" wrote in message
...

"Harold" wrote in message
news:CkAUf.6534$kB1.5037@trndny07...


Even with scientific data supporting controlling their population, the
carp
itself is not as "alien" as you may think.
Take a good look at the bigmouth and smallmouth buffaloes. Just put two
barbels on their mouths.

sheepshead / Drum / buffalo are not closely related to carp.


Bigmouth (Ictiobus cyprinellus )and smallmouth buffalo (Ictiobus bubalus)
are both members of the carp/minnow family. If you don't think they are
closely related, take a look at the photos.

http://www.speciesatrisk.gc.ca/searc...m?SpeciesID=87

http://www.gen.umn.edu/research/fish...h_buffalo.html

Your confusion is the result of the tendency to call various different fish
throughout the country the same name.
Sheepshead is a name that I know is used in some parts of the ncountry for
the Freshwater Drum (Aplodinotus grunniens) which in fact a member of the
croaker family, which includes the sal****er channel bass (red drum/redfish)
and spotted seatrout of the US Gulf coasts.
Adding to the confusion, the term "Sheepshead" means two totally different
fish onnthe Atlantic coast south of the Carolinas and in California.

Goldfish are closer to carp. (they crossbreed)

Goldfish are much closer to the Crucian Carp, a species which, like our
buffaloes, has no barbels.In the wild, goldfish are known to cross breed
with wild crucian carp rather frequently. It is believed that the chinese
bred some strains of crucian carp around 960 AD to produce what we call the
goldfish.
http://www.proangler.co.uk/crucian.html
http://www.rod-and-line.co.uk/Crucian-Carp.html
Goldfish and the common carp can interbreed, but produce a weak STERILE
hybrid, unlike the goldfish
and crucian carp hybrid.
The multicolored carp called "Koi" are the common carp bred for ornamental
purposes in Japan and consequently are all known by Japanese names. They
are, like the wild common carp, a strong fish and considered hardier than
goldfish.