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Gaylord Nelson RIP
One of the good guys has gone.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03681870.htm http://www.wilderness.org/AboutUs/Ne...TopLevel=About http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...s/12049058.htm The fish in the Wisconsin River that I catch are there because of him and his work on the Clean Water Act. The fact that I can go to the Wild and Scenic Rivers in my state (or any other state) is attributable to his efforts. His contributions to the life we fishermen live today are legion. "We stand on the shoulders of giants." g.c. |
"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... One of the good guys has gone. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03681870.htm http://www.wilderness.org/AboutUs/Ne...TopLevel=About http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...s/12049058.htm The fish in the Wisconsin River that I catch are there because of him and his work on the Clean Water Act. The fact that I can go to the Wild and Scenic Rivers in my state (or any other state) is attributable to his efforts. His contributions to the life we fishermen live today are legion. "We stand on the shoulders of giants." Amen. Muir, Leopold, Nelson........nothing more than pure coincidence that three such giants should all have such a strong connection to one particular place.....but one that we can nevertheless revel in. Gonna be a tough act to follow. Wolfgang |
Muir, Leopold, Nelson........nothing more than pure coincidence......
You don't think it might be more than coincidence? Not possibly to some extent the influence of the culture of the state, a consequence of the kinds of folks who emigrated there? vince |
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:43:00 -0400, vincent p. norris
wrote: Muir, Leopold, Nelson........nothing more than pure coincidence...... You don't think it might be more than coincidence? Not possibly to some extent the influence of the culture of the state, a consequence of the kinds of folks who emigrated there? vince They came from fairly diverse personal backgrounds. They did all have close ties with the UW Madison. g.c. |
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... Muir, Leopold, Nelson........nothing more than pure coincidence...... You don't think it might be more than coincidence? Not possibly to some extent the influence of the culture of the state, a consequence of the kinds of folks who emigrated there? Possible? Sure, in a broad sense. As for these particular individuals, Muir's family came to Wisconsin as homesteaders when he was a small boy, Leopold came in 1924 as the result of a transfer within the U.S Forest Service, and Nelson was born here. Nothing in Muir's biographical information suggests that his father was the least bit interested in any sort of nascent environmental movement (even assuming there was any such thing), and Leopold's arrival appears to have been purely for professional reasons. His stature within the movement may have derived from, or at least been enhanced by, his later association with the University of Wisconsin and/or like minded individuals within the state....including the Muir legacy, I suppose, but I've seen no evidence of it. I don't know anything about Nelson's family background. There may be something that suggests more than coincidence is at work....or not. I'd be very interested in any evidence for the notion that there is more to it than that. I assume your question was meant in a broad philosophical sense and that you didn't have any specific evidence in mind with respect to Muir, Leopold and Nelson.......or? Wolfgang |
Not possibly to some extent the influence of the culture of the state,
a consequence of the kinds of folks who emigrated there? Possible? Sure, in a broad sense. As for these particular individuals.... I was thinking "in a broad sense," not about individual family backgrounds that you and George mentioned. Wasn't Wisconsin settled to a large extent by Scandinavians and Germans of socialist political leanings? If those settlers brought with them atitudes about nature, the land, public stewardship, etc., that found their way into the churches, schools, and so forth, they would have some effect on the attitudes of kids growing up in those states, wouldn't they? Although we soak up a lot of our personal values from our parents, we also assimilate a lot from the culture of the society around us. I think I'm very different from what I would be had I grown up in Brooklyn or Boston or Dallas instead of the little hick town of Scottdale, PA. I'd be very interested in any evidence for the notion that there is more to it than that. I assume your question was meant in a broad philosophical sense and that you didn't have any specific evidence in mind with respect to Muir, Leopold and Nelson.......or? Right, Wolfgang; I have no evidence. Just the notion, derived from my dipping into sociology and anthropogy over the years, that we all--and especially the young--are influenced by our social surroundings. I gather that the concept of "national character" has been the subject of numerous books and is widely accepted among social scientists . Why could there not be an analogous "state culture" in a country as diverse as the U.S.? vince |
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... Not possibly to some extent the influence of the culture of the state, a consequence of the kinds of folks who emigrated there? Possible? Sure, in a broad sense. As for these particular individuals.... I was thinking "in a broad sense," not about individual family backgrounds that you and George mentioned. Wasn't Wisconsin settled to a large extent by Scandinavians and Germans of socialist political leanings? My knowledge of the political history of Wisconsin is shamefully scanty. I do know that Milwaukee had a couple of popular socialist mayors early in the 20th century. Presumably their election reflected, to a more or less high degree, the sentiments of the state's urban population but I have no idea whether the predominantly rural citizens outside the Lake Michigan/Fox valley corridor shared their political or economic views. If those settlers brought with them atitudes about nature, the land, public stewardship, etc., that found their way into the churches, schools, and so forth, they would have some effect on the attitudes of kids growing up in those states, wouldn't they? Absolutely. Although we soak up a lot of our personal values from our parents, we also assimilate a lot from the culture of the society around us. I think I'm very different from what I would be had I grown up in Brooklyn or Boston or Dallas instead of the little hick town of Scottdale, PA. I'd be very interested in any evidence for the notion that there is more to it than that. I assume your question was meant in a broad philosophical sense and that you didn't have any specific evidence in mind with respect to Muir, Leopold and Nelson.......or? Right, Wolfgang; I have no evidence. Just the notion, derived from my dipping into sociology and anthropogy over the years, that we all--and especially the young--are influenced by our social surroundings. I gather that the concept of "national character" has been the subject of numerous books and is widely accepted among social scientists . Why could there not be an analogous "state culture" in a country as diverse as the U.S.? As I'm sure you know, there are all sorts of problems with the notion of "national character," not the least of which is that insofar as any such can be reliably identified at all, they are subject to change over time. That said, I really don't have any trouble accepting any of what you say above. Call it national character, zeitgeist, or whatever you will, there can be no doubt that despite individual differences there are characteristic themes and moods that run through populations of various compositions in geographic and political units of all sizes. I'd like to be able to say that the Muir, Leopold, Nelson lineage is indicative of a particularly keen and widespread environmental consciousness here in Wisconsin, or at least commensurate with one. Unfortunately, I just don't see it. I have no reason to believe that our environmental record and its concomitant reflection on our citizens is any WORSE than that of other states in general but, despite some encouraging successes in recent decades (George's example of the rehabilitation of the Wisconsin river prominent among them), I don't have much reason to thinks it's any better either. We have our fair share of intractable environmental problems, made all the more troublesome by widespread indifference as well conflicting agendas. Wolfgang who would bet a shiny new nickel that the identities of muir, leopold and nelson are a complete mystery to most of the state's residents. |
This month is the 100 th anniversary of the US Forest Service. Neither
Teddy Roosevelt or Gifford Pinchot is from Wisconsin. Wolfgang wrote: "George Cleveland" wrote in message ... One of the good guys has gone. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03681870.htm http://www.wilderness.org/AboutUs/Ne...TopLevel=About http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...s/12049058.htm The fish in the Wisconsin River that I catch are there because of him and his work on the Clean Water Act. The fact that I can go to the Wild and Scenic Rivers in my state (or any other state) is attributable to his efforts. His contributions to the life we fishermen live today are legion. "We stand on the shoulders of giants." Amen. Muir, Leopold, Nelson........nothing more than pure coincidence that three such giants should all have such a strong connection to one particular place.....but one that we can nevertheless revel in. Gonna be a tough act to follow. Wolfgang |
"BJ Conner" wrote in message oups.com... This month is the 100 th anniversary of the US Forest Service. There was a "National Geographic Radio Expeditions" piece about a research project under the auspices of the USFS on public radio this morning.....to be continued tomorrow. http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/...p?topicId=1023 Neither Teddy Roosevelt or Gifford Pinchot is from Wisconsin. Somewhat surprisingly, perhaps, lots of people are not from Wisconsin. Rabindranath Tagore and Dag Hammarskjöld, for example, come readily to mind. Wolfgang and don't even get me started on the maoris! :( |
I suspected they were not. I have never been sure of Ole and Lena however? Wolfgang wrote: "BJ Conner" wrote in message oups.com... This month is the 100 th anniversary of the US Forest Service. There was a "National Geographic Radio Expeditions" piece about a research project under the auspices of the USFS on public radio this morning.....to be continued tomorrow. http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/...topicId=3D1023 Neither Teddy Roosevelt or Gifford Pinchot is from Wisconsin. Somewhat surprisingly, perhaps, lots of people are not from Wisconsin. Rabindranath Tagore and Dag Hammarskj=F6ld, for example, come readily to = mind. =20 Wolfgang and don't even get me started on the maoris! :( |
I suspected they were not. I have never been sure of Ole and Lena however? Wolfgang wrote: "BJ Conner" wrote in message oups.com... This month is the 100 th anniversary of the US Forest Service. There was a "National Geographic Radio Expeditions" piece about a research project under the auspices of the USFS on public radio this morning.....to be continued tomorrow. http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/...topicId=3D1023 Neither Teddy Roosevelt or Gifford Pinchot is from Wisconsin. Somewhat surprisingly, perhaps, lots of people are not from Wisconsin. Rabindranath Tagore and Dag Hammarskj=F6ld, for example, come readily to = mind. =20 Wolfgang and don't even get me started on the maoris! :( |
"BJ Conner" wrote in message oups.com... I suspected they were not. I have never been sure of Ole and Lena however? Minnesota, if memory serves. Wolfgang cyli? |
Thanks for the thoughtful response, Wolfgang.
As I'm sure you know, there are all sorts of problems with the notion of "national character," not the least of which is that insofar as any such can be reliably identified at all, they are subject to change over time. Yes, but very slowly (as brought about by, say, the Industrial Revolution) or rapidly, in the case of a cataclysm, such as losing a war. You may recall Ruth Benedict's _The Chrysanthemyum and the Sword_, a study of Japanese national character done during WW II. I believe it was done at the request of the military, to help plan strategy. After VJ Day MacArthur was given the job of changing the Japanese national character, and did he ever! Recently the telly has shown WW II-era pictures of Okinawan civilians jumping off cliffs to avoid captur by American troops. I can't imagine them doing it today! Nor young men flying Kamikaze missions, or even wives toddling along a respectful ten feet behind their husbands. Wolfgang who would bet a shiny new nickel that the identities of muir, leopold and nelson are a complete mystery to most of the state's residents. I'm not foolish enough to take that bet! I know I'd lose. vince |
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:17:47 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "BJ Conner" wrote in message roups.com... I suspected they were not. I have never been sure of Ole and Lena however? Minnesota, if memory serves. Wolfgang cyli? Ole and Lena dey be from Minnesodah, yah. Ole's friend, Sven, he be from heare, too. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... Thanks for the thoughtful response, Wolfgang. As I'm sure you know, there are all sorts of problems with the notion of "national character," not the least of which is that insofar as any such can be reliably identified at all, they are subject to change over time. Yes, but very slowly (as brought about by, say, the Industrial Revolution) or rapidly, in the case of a cataclysm, such as losing a war. You may recall Ruth Benedict's _The Chrysanthemyum and the Sword_, a study of Japanese national character done during WW II. I believe it was done at the request of the military, to help plan strategy. After VJ Day MacArthur was given the job of changing the Japanese national character, and did he ever! Recently the telly has shown WW II-era pictures of Okinawan civilians jumping off cliffs to avoid captur by American troops. I can't imagine them doing it today! Nor young men flying Kamikaze missions, or even wives toddling along a respectful ten feet behind their husbands. It's been a long time since I read Benedict's book......'76-'77 was the year of anthropology and paleontology for me.....Boas, Mead, Montagu, Dart, Chagnon, Leakey, etc......a trip down memory lane. :) Even more interesting than her analysis of Japanese national character (still controversial, but highly respected nevertheless), I think, is Benedict herself as a harbinger of great changes to come in American culture. It was quite a step forward for a woman to be entrusted with the critically important task of assessing such a formidable enemy as the Japanese in WWII. Wolfgang who would bet a shiny new nickel that the identities of muir, leopold and nelson are a complete mystery to most of the state's residents. I'm not foolish enough to take that bet! I know I'd lose. vince Rats! Wolfgang |
It's been a long time since I read Benedict's book......'76-'77 was the year
of anthropology and paleontology for me.....Boas, Mead, Montagu, Dart, Chagnon, Leakey, etc......a trip down memory lane. :) I've read a little by or about most of those--just for fun-- except Dart. Never encountered him. Napoleon Chagnon was on the faculty here at PSU for some years--1960s - '70s. Used to come to our TGIF beer parties at a local pub but never brought his own cigarets. What a cheap *******! But his films of the Yanamomo are terrific! Years later I read in the Washington Post that he was in serious trouble for some kind of hanky-panky he had pulled but I can't remember the details. Somehow it didn't surprise me. I enjoyed Benedict's Patterns of Culture and a couple of Mead's books but the anthropologists I found most interesting are Robert Redfield, V. Gordon Childe and Karl Polanyi--though I'm not sure whether Polanyi was an anthropologist or economist. His work overlapped both disciplines. vince |
"vincent p. norris" wrote:
Napoleon Chagnon was on the faculty here at PSU for some years--1960s - '70s. Used to come to our TGIF beer parties at a local pub but never brought his own cigarets. What a cheap *******! But his films of the Yanamomo are terrific! You should count your blessing, Vince. Could have been a lot worse: "The Yanomamo are quite sociable with their tobacco. When someone removes a wad and lays it down for a second, another might snatch it up and suck on it until the owner wants it back. The borrower may be a child, a buddy, a wife, a stranger, or, if willing, an anthropologist." [attributed to Chagnon http://ethnobotany.yage.net/article1.html ] :) Sorry we missed you the last day of the clave. JR |
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
... //snip// After VJ Day MacArthur was given the job of changing the Japanese national character, and did he ever! Recently the telly has shown WW II-era pictures of Okinawan civilians jumping off cliffs to avoid captur by American troops. I can't imagine them doing it today! Nor young men flying Kamikaze missions, or even wives toddling along a respectful ten feet behind their husbands. It's been a long time since I read Benedict's book......'76-'77 was the year of anthropology and paleontology for me.....Boas, Mead, Montagu, Dart, Chagnon, Leakey, etc......a trip down memory lane. :) Even more interesting than her analysis of Japanese national character (still controversial, but highly respected nevertheless), I think, is Benedict herself as a harbinger of great changes to come in American culture. It was quite a step forward for a woman to be entrusted with the critically important task of assessing such a formidable enemy as the Japanese in WWII. I bought Ruth Benedict's book (I have it on the same shelf with Chagnon's book about the Yanomamo) when I went to Japan with the Navy in 1970. Remarkably insightful book, and I still read portions of it from time to time. 1970 was my year to read about Japan (Lady Murasaki, Kawabata, Mishima, Reischauer, etc.) Combined they gave a pretty good insight into Japanese national character, which Americans seldom understand. (Actually, I don't think many Americans understand our own national character.) It's unfortunate that Benedict's book seems to have been about the last analysis of "national character" that got much attention from U.S. policy-makers before taking on the job of running another country. Bob |
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... It's been a long time since I read Benedict's book......'76-'77 was the year of anthropology and paleontology for me.....Boas, Mead, Montagu, Dart, Chagnon, Leakey, etc......a trip down memory lane. :) I've read a little by or about most of those--just for fun-- except Dart. Never encountered him. Dart was one of the premier early twentieth century anthropologists, famous chiefly for his discovery of the celebrated "Taung" child in 1924. I don't know if any of his works are still in print, but older copies shouldn't be hard to find. Some of his stuff may be in the public domain by now, and thus available for free on line. Napoleon Chagnon was on the faculty here at PSU for some years--1960s - '70s. Used to come to our TGIF beer parties at a local pub but never brought his own cigarets. What a cheap *******! But his films of the Yanamomo are terrific! Years later I read in the Washington Post that he was in serious trouble for some kind of hanky-panky he had pulled but I can't remember the details. Somehow it didn't surprise me. Chagnon was (and presumably still is) at the center of the biggest ****storm ever to hit anthropology. It all started with his study of the Yanomami Indians and the subsequent publication of his enthnography, "Yanomamo: The Fierce People." The book was hugely popular....the first to outsell Margaret Mead's "Coming of Age in Samoa," and was a mainstay of college introductory anthro courses, including the one I took in about 1976, for decades. There were rumblings from skeptical colleagues from the beginning, and they got continually louder and more strident as time passed, but the excrement REALLY hit the air circulating device with the publication of Patrick Tierney's "Darkness in El Dorado: How Scientists and Journalists Devastated the Amazon" in 2000. The short version..... Tierney (as well as many others) accused Chagnon (as well as many others) of just about every possible ethical breach, sin, misdemeanor and felony possible in their dealings with and exploitation of the Yanomami.....all ostensibly in the name of science but, according to their critics, really in pursuit of their own nefarious agendas. "Darkness in El Dorado" with its references to the careless spread of disease, murder, economic exploitation, incitement to war, sexual misconduct, illicit relationships with corrupt govermental agencies, gangsters, gold miners and other ne'er-do-wells, conflicts with missionaries, internecine strife among the princciple anthropologists, etc., reads like some sort of demented acid-induced latter day "Heart of Darkness." Chagnon was a protégé of James Neel who in turn was (if memory serves) a student of Claude Levi-Strauss. It seems that all three had some very strong ideas concerning the salutary role of violence in human reproductive success. At the heart of the accusations against Chagnon and Neel is the widespread belief that they were more than willing to do whatever was necessary to ensure that an already notoriously violent people would behave in such a manner as to corroborate their claims and validate their theories. Needless to say, Tierney doesn't lack critics of his own, but he also has a lot of support from other heavyweights in the anthro business. If you're interested, a Google search on Chagnon, Neel (who died recently, I believe), Jacques Lizot (a French anthropologist and Chagnon rival working in the same area at the same time.....and a serious whack-job if Tierney is to be believed), Tierney, and Terence Turner (another major Chagnon critic) should turn up millions of hits. Good luck! :) I enjoyed Benedict's Patterns of Culture and a couple of Mead's books but the anthropologists I found most interesting are Robert Redfield, V. Gordon Childe and Karl Polanyi--though I'm not sure whether Polanyi was an anthropologist or economist. His work overlapped both disciplines. I'm not familiar with Redfield, Childe or Polanyi. I'll keep an eye out for them......I still have a bit of uncovered floor space somewhere. :( Wolfgang |
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:08:22 -0700, JR wrote:
"vincent p. norris" wrote: Napoleon Chagnon was on the faculty here at PSU for some years--1960s - '70s. Used to come to our TGIF beer parties at a local pub but never brought his own cigarets. What a cheap *******! But his films of the Yanamomo are terrific! Thanks for the quotation (yech!) and the kind thought, JR. I, too, regret missing you guys for a last day of fishing and perhaps a few good stories later. vince |
Thanks for filling me in on the Chagnon flap, Wolfgang.
.... his enthnography, "Yanomamo: The Fierce People." The book was hugely popular.. I can understand why. Two of my kids took his course and so the book was lying around here, and I read it. Fascinating! ...the first to outsell Margaret Mead's "Coming of Age in Samoa," In that case, the cheap ******* could have afforded to buy cigarets and beer for all of us! (If I may digress even further off topic, you reminded me of a humorous tale: When that book appeared--if that's the one in which she argued that all social roles are culturally learned-- an older anthropologist, perhaps Franz Boas, wrote a very brief book review in one of the journals. I quote it in full: "It is a very nice book, Margaret, but do you know any societies in which the men have the babies?") I notice you used the spelling "Yanomami" --ending in i--which I recall seeing elsewhere. In his book, Chagnon uses the "o" ending. Why are two different spellings used? If you're interested, a Google search on Chagnon..... I just did. A goldmine! I'm not familiar with Redfield, Childe or Polanyi. I'll keep an eye out for them..... For Redfield, I recommend his _Primitive World and its Transformations_, and a paper on the "Folk Society," an "ideal type" construct. I encountered it as a reprint published by Bobbs-Merrill, IIRC. And that reminds me of _The Preindustrial City_ by Gideon Sjoberg, another interesting discussion of "pre-modern" society. (I suppose an anthropologist would be horrified by that term.) Childe: A general intro to achaeology whose title I don't recall, and _The Bronze Age_. Polanyi: _The Great Transformation_ , Some of which Robert Heilbroner adopted for his _Making of Economic Society_ ( like _The Worldly Philosophers_ and _The Quest for Wealth_), a wonderful non-technical intro to economics, and later his basic economics textbook, _The Economic Problem_. Also, _Trade and Market in Ancient Empires_. I still have a bit of uncovered floor space somewhere. :( Wolfgang You still have a few years to go. When you have reached my age, you will no longer have that problem. vince |
Even more interesting than her analysis of Japanese national character
(still controversial, but highly respected nevertheless), I think, is Benedict herself as a harbinger of great changes to come in American culture. It was quite a step forward for a woman to be entrusted with the critically important task of assessing such a formidable enemy as the Japanese in WWII. I would guess she was selected on the basis of her _Patterns of Culture_, which I understand was a landmark. I began teaching (as a "T.A.") in 1958. For about the first ten years or so, when I asked my classes (mostly juniors and seniors) if they had read_Patterns of Culture_ in some other course, dang near every student raised his or her hand. So it was still "standard reading" in the middle 50s and beyond, although it was written back in the '30s. (Actually, I don't think many Americans understand our own national character.) Perhaps understanding one's own national character is especially difficult. Bobbie Burns said something like "Would the Lord the giftie gie us, to see ourselves as others see us." The only studies of American national character by Americans that I can recall, offhand, are Frederick Jackson Turner's Frontier in American History and David Potter's People of Plenty. Are there any others? vince |
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"vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... Thanks for filling me in on the Chagnon flap, Wolfgang. .... his enthnography, "Yanomamo: The Fierce People." The book was hugely popular.. I can understand why. Two of my kids took his course and so the book was lying around here, and I read it. Fascinating! I thought so too, when I first read it. After reading "Darkness in El Dorado" I found and bought another copy but haven't done any more than glance through it. The whole mess is interesting enough as an example of academic infighting, science gone ape-****, etc., but my interest in anthropology per se has waned over the years, and a detailed analysis of the original work vs. Tierney's criticism is a lot more than I care to bite off. ...the first to outsell Margaret Mead's "Coming of Age in Samoa," In that case, the cheap ******* could have afforded to buy cigarets and beer for all of us! Judging by descriptions of the resources available to him in the Amazon basin, the cheap ******* could have afforded to buy a tobacco company and a brewery. Which, incidentally, brings to mind another of the nefarious characters who has played a major role in the skullduggery, a decidedly shady individual named Charles Brewer Carias. Brewer (as Tierney usually refers to him) appears to be worthy of a book or two all by himself. Cigarettes, for what it's worth, are listed with seven page references in the index of Tierney's book. :) (If I may digress even further off topic, you reminded me of a humorous tale: When that book appeared--if that's the one in which she argued that all social roles are culturally learned-- an older anthropologist, perhaps Franz Boas, wrote a very brief book review in one of the journals. I quote it in full: "It is a very nice book, Margaret, but do you know any societies in which the men have the babies?") California. I believe the governator once bore a child. I notice you used the spelling "Yanomami" --ending in i--which I recall seeing elsewhere. In his book, Chagnon uses the "o" ending. Why are two different spellings used? I have no idea. I've wondered about that myself. I don't recall whether or not Tierney made mention of the difference or whether I've seen any other reference. As far as I recall virtually every source I've seen aside from Chagnon uses the "i" spelling as opposed to the "o". If you're interested, a Google search on Chagnon..... I just did. A goldmine! I'm not familiar with Redfield, Childe or Polanyi. I'll keep an eye out for them..... For Redfield, I recommend his _Primitive World and its Transformations_, and a paper on the "Folk Society," an "ideal type" construct. I encountered it as a reprint published by Bobbs-Merrill, IIRC. And that reminds me of _The Preindustrial City_ by Gideon Sjoberg, another interesting discussion of "pre-modern" society. (I suppose an anthropologist would be horrified by that term.) Childe: A general intro to achaeology whose title I don't recall, and _The Bronze Age_. Polanyi: _The Great Transformation_ , Some of which Robert Heilbroner adopted for his _Making of Economic Society_ ( like _The Worldly Philosophers_ and _The Quest for Wealth_), a wonderful non-technical intro to economics, and later his basic economics textbook, _The Economic Problem_. Also, _Trade and Market in Ancient Empires_. I still have a bit of uncovered floor space somewhere. :( Wolfgang You still have a few years to go. When you have reached my age, you will no longer have that problem. About a year and a half ago I took a bit of vacation time and did a tour of small town libraries in Wisconsin. It didn't occur to me at the time but at my present rate of accumulation, and long before I reach your age (assuming I don't starve or get crushed by falling books), I will someday BE a small town library. :( Wolfgang |
"William Claspy" wrote in message ... ...ask a reference librarian... Be careful what you wish for, bookworm! :( Wolfgang so, what can you tell me about the "u.s. ex. ex."? :) |
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