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Aa Aa March 25th, 2004 05:07 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
I was just curious, how good are fishes memory?

I usually do my fishing on Mondays and Tuesday, and always think I'm
fishing at a bad time because the fish were recently pressured quite
abit (from the weekend anglers).

But do fish have good memory?

I know I have had times where I caught a fish, only to catch the same
fish the next day on the same lure.

Thanks!


bassrecord March 25th, 2004 06:01 AM

A Fishes Memory
 

"Aa Aa" wrote in message
...
I was just curious, how good are fishes memory?


GREAT QUESTION!!!

I usually do my fishing on Mondays and Tuesday, and always think I'm
fishing at a bad time because the fish were recently pressured quite
abit (from the weekend anglers).

But do fish have good memory?


What is memory? What is your definition? What is fish memory? Does memory
vary with fish species?

What is good memory? Is there a scale, i.e.no memory, some memory, average
memory, good memory great memory?


I know I have had times where I caught a fish, only to catch the same
fish the next day on the same lure.


Once I read about a one eyed brown trout in the Gallatin that had been
caught over 1000 times in one summer.
Did he have no memory or was he just a trout? g

Good luck!
John



J Buck March 25th, 2004 06:14 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
Luckily for us, they remember that minnows are tasty


J Buck March 25th, 2004 06:16 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
Once I read about a one eyed brown trout in the Gallatin that had been
caught over 1000 times in one summer. Did he have no memory or was he
just a trout?

That one's pretty hard to swallow :) Especially if it was a trout.


Todd Copeland March 25th, 2004 06:34 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
Discovery has a show called Mythbusters. They replayed a show where the myth
was that a goldfish could only rememeber things for 3 seconds (so every time
they swam around the bowl, they thought it was new). They proved gold fish
could be trained to swim more quickly through a simple maze to get food.

Do fish "remember" things? Sure... like a what fills your belly and to stay
away from bigger hungry fish but I doubt they have the capacity to
"rememeber" what a false bait looks like vs real food. Perhaps they might be
more apprehensive about feeding if they were just caught... but I doubt this
last more then a few hours or a day.

That and we probably all throw lures next to hundreds of fish each day that
we don't catch... or someone else did not catch the weekend before.

Just my 2 cents.


"Aa Aa" wrote in message
...
I was just curious, how good are fishes memory?

I usually do my fishing on Mondays and Tuesday, and always think I'm
fishing at a bad time because the fish were recently pressured quite
abit (from the weekend anglers).

But do fish have good memory?

I know I have had times where I caught a fish, only to catch the same
fish the next day on the same lure.




alwayfishking March 25th, 2004 03:11 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
Indeed a good question, I used to fish black bungee worms on a lake near me
with great success. Then after a while of landing fish after fish with them
it stopped. I;'ve tried them again after that from time to time only to be
met with the same results. "El Skunko", switch to a senko or spinnerbait and
fishing was once again back on. Maybe it was a confidence thing or maybe the
bass in this small little lake don't like bungee worms no more. Who knows
"Todd Copeland" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Discovery has a show called Mythbusters. They replayed a show where the

myth
was that a goldfish could only rememeber things for 3 seconds (so every

time
they swam around the bowl, they thought it was new). They proved gold fish
could be trained to swim more quickly through a simple maze to get food.

Do fish "remember" things? Sure... like a what fills your belly and to

stay
away from bigger hungry fish but I doubt they have the capacity to
"rememeber" what a false bait looks like vs real food. Perhaps they might

be
more apprehensive about feeding if they were just caught... but I doubt

this
last more then a few hours or a day.

That and we probably all throw lures next to hundreds of fish each day

that
we don't catch... or someone else did not catch the weekend before.

Just my 2 cents.


"Aa Aa" wrote in message
...
I was just curious, how good are fishes memory?

I usually do my fishing on Mondays and Tuesday, and always think I'm
fishing at a bad time because the fish were recently pressured quite
abit (from the weekend anglers).

But do fish have good memory?

I know I have had times where I caught a fish, only to catch the same
fish the next day on the same lure.






John Kerr March 25th, 2004 11:34 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
Their memory is probably just about as good as mine right now....now
what was I gonna post grin. If I can forget that I didn't catch a bass
yesterday, I would suppose they forget the time I did "bother" them for
a few minutes:). I have definately caught the same bass numerous times,
it had a very distingishing marking. My son has also caught large bass
more than once...so maybe his claims of 300 bass over 10lbs should be
modified with an asterik (caught this one 3 times, etc.) grin.
I just don't think they have a great memory.
JK


RichG March 26th, 2004 01:17 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
They do seem to have either good short term memory or they talk to one
another.

Sometimes, I'll go out to my little nearly private bass pond. I'll catch the
heck out of bunch of bass on some new lure. Suddenly..not a bite! Next day
and for weeks after, I can't get bit on the same lure under similar
circumstances. If I wait a year, or even a couple of months..that lure will
once again work... for a while..

Strange little beasts, aren't they???
--
RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners



Henry Hefner March 26th, 2004 03:51 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
RichG wrote:


Strange little beasts, aren't they???


You ain't just whistling Dixie. I just read an interesting post on TFF
about bass behavior. copy/paste:




Jesse Parker did a survey on Lake Fork several years ago. He had a study
of several dozen trophy fish. He advertised a bounty for any bass
between 10 and 13 pounds that did not qualify for Share a Lunker program.

He had the angler complete a survey and then had local business donate
money for the fiberglass reproduction of the fish. He then tagged the
bass and released them all from the same location. On the tag was a
bounty for any angler who caught the fish again.

The second angler then completed the same survery, un-aware of the the
first survey. They were paid cash money for the second bounty as well.

The results were increadible. The first fish to be re-caught was caught
three days later. She had travel 17 miles by water, caught within
casting distance of her first catch.

Over the course of the next year, the majority of these fish were
re-caught. The results were almost identical for the most part. The vast
majority of the fish, came from the same area, during the same lunar
cycle, and most often, caught on the same or very simular type bait.

The results were published in an Angler's Choice magazine back in 1997
or so. I know Jesse personally and he let me review the surveys one
evening himself. It was quite increadible. Due to the expense of the
program, it only lasted one year. But when you have two anglers who
complete the same survey with no knowledge of what the other one said,
it was remarkable.

It really opened my eyes to how fish migrated and responded to
tournament pressure.

Doyce McIlvene March 26th, 2004 04:39 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
I do think that bass do become accustomed to a given lure over a period of
time and seem to not strike the lure as readily as they had previously. I
have had success on a give lure color and the action would taper off and a
simple change in either size or color would trigger the bass into taking the
lure again.
Just one of the reasons that I try to find a lure that they will take other
than the one every Tom, Dick and Harry is presenting.
Just my $ .02.
Cheers,
--
Doyce
"Aa Aa" wrote in message
...
I was just curious, how good are fishes memory?

I usually do my fishing on Mondays and Tuesday, and always think I'm
fishing at a bad time because the fish were recently pressured quite
abit (from the weekend anglers).

But do fish have good memory?

I know I have had times where I caught a fish, only to catch the same
fish the next day on the same lure.

Thanks!




Calif Bill March 26th, 2004 07:16 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
I know goldfish have some memory. My pet goldfish, knows that it is near
feeding time and will come over to the side of the bowl when ever someone
walks in the room around 5 pm. Rest of the time, he swims around the bowl,
or rearranges the rocks in the bottom.
Bill

"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Their memory is probably just about as good as mine right now....now
what was I gonna post grin. If I can forget that I didn't catch a bass
yesterday, I would suppose they forget the time I did "bother" them for
a few minutes:). I have definately caught the same bass numerous times,
it had a very distingishing marking. My son has also caught large bass
more than once...so maybe his claims of 300 bass over 10lbs should be
modified with an asterik (caught this one 3 times, etc.) grin.
I just don't think they have a great memory.
JK




bassrecord March 26th, 2004 07:33 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
After I struggled with my memory and said:
Once I read about a one eyed brown trout in the Gallatin that had been
caught over 1000 times in one summer. Did he have no memory or was he
just a trout?


J Buck said:
That one's pretty hard to swallow :) Especially if it was a trout.


As I recall it was written by a bunch of college students casting to a
one-eyed brown. They kept casting to his good eye and he would strike -
blind eye and he ignored the offering. Was it memory or what?

Good luck!
John



Scott Seidman March 26th, 2004 01:38 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
"bassrecord" wrote in
:

What is memory? What is your definition? What is fish memory? Does
memory vary with fish species?


For a fish, I think if the fish demonstrably exhibits behavior that has
been influenced by previous experience, that fish is showing memory.

Scott

alwayfishking March 26th, 2004 01:44 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
Thanks for sharing that Henry, That was very interesting
"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...
RichG wrote:


Strange little beasts, aren't they???


You ain't just whistling Dixie. I just read an interesting post on TFF
about bass behavior. copy/paste:




Jesse Parker did a survey on Lake Fork several years ago. He had a study
of several dozen trophy fish. He advertised a bounty for any bass
between 10 and 13 pounds that did not qualify for Share a Lunker program.

He had the angler complete a survey and then had local business donate
money for the fiberglass reproduction of the fish. He then tagged the
bass and released them all from the same location. On the tag was a
bounty for any angler who caught the fish again.

The second angler then completed the same survery, un-aware of the the
first survey. They were paid cash money for the second bounty as well.

The results were increadible. The first fish to be re-caught was caught
three days later. She had travel 17 miles by water, caught within
casting distance of her first catch.

Over the course of the next year, the majority of these fish were
re-caught. The results were almost identical for the most part. The vast
majority of the fish, came from the same area, during the same lunar
cycle, and most often, caught on the same or very simular type bait.

The results were published in an Angler's Choice magazine back in 1997
or so. I know Jesse personally and he let me review the surveys one
evening himself. It was quite increadible. Due to the expense of the
program, it only lasted one year. But when you have two anglers who
complete the same survey with no knowledge of what the other one said,
it was remarkable.

It really opened my eyes to how fish migrated and responded to
tournament pressure.




J Buck March 26th, 2004 02:38 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
What is memory? What is your definition? What is fish memory? Does
memory vary with fish species?

I had the answers written down somewhere but forgot where I put 'em :)


alwayfishking March 26th, 2004 09:54 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
No one said there would be a test!!
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"bassrecord" wrote in
:

What is memory? What is your definition? What is fish memory? Does
memory vary with fish species?


For a fish, I think if the fish demonstrably exhibits behavior that has
been influenced by previous experience, that fish is showing memory.

Scott




Henry Hefner March 26th, 2004 11:00 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
alwayfishking wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Henry, That was very interesting


Makes me wonder.......... 17 miles? How did she navigate? Smell? Surely
she wasn't THAT familiar with that many square miles of water. I guess
there are different kinds of smarts. I know people who can get lost in a
small shopping mall, but I don't think you could fool them with the same
fake food over and over and over.

J Buck March 26th, 2004 11:31 PM

A Fishes Memory-OT
 
I know people who can get lost in a small shopping mall

The latest radio spot I heard for Onstar features a woman who can't find
her car in a parking lot. If you're that stupid, you have A, no business
driving, and B, no business making enough money to afford a vehicle with
that kind of technology.


Calif Bill March 27th, 2004 05:03 AM

A Fishes Memory-OT
 

"J Buck" wrote in message
...
I know people who can get lost in a small shopping mall

The latest radio spot I heard for Onstar features a woman who can't find
her car in a parking lot. If you're that stupid, you have A, no business
driving, and B, no business making enough money to afford a vehicle with
that kind of technology.


I have lost rental cars in parking lots. Came out a different door at
McDonald-Douglas in Long Beach, CA. Would of loved an Onstar sytem, or even
a panic button to honk the horn. For those who have never been in the LB
area, the parking lot, probably can hold 15,000 cars. Couple of yours to
find that little car, between a camper and a truck.



RGarri7470 March 28th, 2004 12:54 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
Makes me wonder.......... 17 miles? How did she navigate? Smell? Surely
she wasn't THAT familiar with that many square miles of water


I took that comment to mean she traveled 17 miles in a boat, to be weighted,
then back to be released.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Nikolay March 28th, 2004 03:07 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
On Sat, 28 Mar 2004, RGarri7470 wrote:
... It is amazing they can get back home, especially that fast.


Just remember all those eels from all around the world finding their way
to Sargasso Sea every year ... and still many people will tell you eel is
inferior to bass :-)

Cheers,
Nikolay

RGarri7470 March 28th, 2004 03:20 AM

A Fishes Memory
 
Makes me wonder.......... 17 miles? How did she navigate? Smell? Surely
she wasn't THAT familiar with that many square miles of water


I took that comment to mean she traveled 17 miles in a boat, to be weighted,
then back to be released.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

OK, trigger finger too fast. I went back and read it again, and see the bass
were all released at the same place, not carried back to where they were
caught. It is amazing they can get back home, especially that fast.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

RGarri7470 March 28th, 2004 03:33 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
Just remember all those eels from all around the world finding their way
to Sargasso Sea every year ... and still many people will tell you eel is
inferior to bass :-)

Cheers,
Nikolay


Yeah, but that is kinda the point. Eels do it every year, as do salmon and
other aquatic animals, but bass don't migrate normally. Bass finding its way
home is the exception, not something they do every year.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

J Buck March 28th, 2004 04:56 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
bass don't migrate normally

Ok, I just got up so maybe my sense of humor isn't quite awake yet, but
when I saw that I immediately thought of the line in Python's 'Holy
Grail'..."Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?" LoL


Nikolay March 28th, 2004 06:21 PM

A Fishes Memory
 
I see your point, Ronnie, and you're right. I kinda fell into the "apples
and oranges" thing. But still, I thought it was a fishes brain/"skills" so
they all should be able to do something like this? Nevermind...

Nikolay

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, RGarri7470 wrote:

Yeah, but that is kinda the point. Eels do it every year, as do salmon and
other aquatic animals, but bass don't migrate normally. Bass finding its way
home is the exception, not something they do every year.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com



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