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OT Shoulda went fishin'
Just got back from Busch Stadium where the friggin'
Cubs beat my Cardinals 6-5. At least I *think* I was at Busch Stadium, maybe I was in Des Moines watching synchronized swimming and I've never even been to Busch Stadium. ;-) My favorite Cub fan bailed at the last minute saying it was too damn hot to watch a ball game in St. Louis. Proving once again that my wife is *way* smarter than me. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Just got back from Busch Stadium where the friggin' Cubs beat my Cardinals 6-5. At least I *think* I was at Busch Stadium, maybe I was in Des Moines watching synchronized swimming and I've never even been to Busch Stadium. ;-) My favorite Cub fan bailed at the last minute saying it was too damn hot to watch a ball game in St. Louis. Proving once again that my wife is *way* smarter than me. It was Busch Stadium. It was hot. "Great place. Really holds the heat." Would have been better standing in the cool waters of a stocked spring creek than to watch [arguably] the best team in baseball fall to the Cubs. |
Fawn Lake is a myth designed to make tourons hike 14 miles while the
yellowstone local studs fish all the good stuff by the side of the road (or even better, from a barstool). bruce h ;-) |
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Willi wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Just got back from Busch Stadium where the friggin' Cubs beat my Cardinals 6-5. At least I *think* I was at Busch Stadium, maybe I was in Des Moines watching synchronized swimming and I've never even been to Busch Stadium. ;-) My favorite Cub fan bailed at the last minute saying it was too damn hot to watch a ball game in St. Louis. Proving once again that my wife is *way* smarter than me. How about that Fawn Lake? It's a myth. Nothing but 5 acres of unfishable weeds surrounded by marsh unless you get there at ice out. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:01:50 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: It's a myth. Nothing but 5 acres of unfishable weeds surrounded by marsh unless you get there at ice out. They don't get it, Ken. |
Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:01:50 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: It's a myth. Nothing but 5 acres of unfishable weeds surrounded by marsh unless you get there at ice out. They don't get it, Ken. no dave, we get it. you might review ken's posts from last year, as well as the earlier ones in the fawn lake thread, so you'll get it too. hope all is well with you and your family. the eec you helped me with is hanging in my office, and i think of you often while i'm enjoying it. jeff |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:48:06 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: hope all is well with you and your family. the eec you helped me with is hanging in my office, and i think of you often while i'm enjoying it. Good. Glad I could be of help. I was by that art store a couple of weeks ago doing some historical work for a friend who's ancestors are from Hadley. Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. Too late now, however. d;o) Best to the beautiful woman; hope she is well. Dave |
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. Too late now, however. d;o) nah... as i said, google it and read what he wrote last year and this year. i believe you're wrong. :) many of us suspected he'd make the claim you're making as a face-saving imposture. don't do it for him. btw, he's the one who made sure it got a lot of attention by his arrogance and his ad hominem comments. Best to the beautiful woman; hope she is well. thanks...she's doing well - despite being shackled to me. g jeff |
"Jeff Miller" wrote thanks...she's doing well - despite being shackled to me. g i reckon her to be among the heroes of this country, as guy clark sang... yfitons wayno |
Dave LaCourse wrote:
... Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. ... Well, you're half right. I was there, but it's not a great place to fish, it's not even a good place to fish. Fawn Weedbed is a 2 hour hike from the nearest trailhead. Of all the fishing destinations in Yellowstone Park that require a 2 hour hike it is so far down the list of good fishing destinations that no one in their right mind would ever recommend it. And if they do recommend it, on roff, *and* they're a top-poster, well ... But the joke's on them, Choc & Jeffie hiked all the way up there and the three pix Choc posted to abpf didn't contain a single solitary fish. I assume if one of them had actually caught a fish they'd have posted its picture. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:23:09 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: ... Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. ... Well, you're half right. I was there, but it's not a great place to fish, it's not even a good place to fish. You may have thought you were there, but you weren't. Fawn Lake is not a weed bed, but some old beaver ponds near there are. You were simply lost and won't admit it. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: ... I was there, but it's not a great place to fish, it's not even a good place to fish. You may have thought you were there, but you weren't. Fawn Lake is not a weed bed, but some old beaver ponds near there are. You were simply lost and won't admit it. You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:48:28 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). If you saw a weed bed it also means you weren't there (there are some old abandoned weeded up beaver ponds that *are* visible from the trail, though). -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:07 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. And if you saw a 5 acre weed bed from that far up the trail you weren't looking at Fawn Lake either, much less close enough to it to try a cast. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:07 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. And if you saw a 5 acre weed bed from that far up the trail you weren't looking at Fawn Lake either, much less close enough to it to try a cast. Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg and Ken would still come up with something. It's enough to frazzle your ass........... Willi |
Willi wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote: On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:07 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. And if you saw a 5 acre weed bed from that far up the trail you weren't looking at Fawn Lake either, much less close enough to it to try a cast. Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg and Ken would still come up with something. It's enough to frazzle your ass........... Willi to quote the mormon girl scouts' favorite songster, "hilarious"! jeff |
Charlie Choc wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:07 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. And if you saw a 5 acre weed bed from that far up the trail you weren't looking at Fawn Lake either, much less close enough to it to try a cast. ....now we know he's never seen nor fished fawn lake. ...and, he gave me grief for merely mentioning the place incidentally? jeff |
"Willi" wrote in message ... Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg and Ken would still come up with something. It's enough to frazzle your ass........... Willi Without exception, best post of the last 6 months! Thanks Willi. Mark |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote: ... Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. ... Well, you're half right. I was there, but it's not a great place to fish, it's not even a good place to fish. Fawn Weedbed is a 2 hour hike from the nearest trailhead. Of all the fishing destinations in Yellowstone Park that require a 2 hour hike it is so far down the list of good fishing destinations that no one in their right mind would ever recommend it. And if they do recommend it, on roff, *and* they're a top-poster, well ... But the joke's on them, Choc & Jeffie hiked all the way up there and the three pix Choc posted to abpf didn't contain a single solitary fish. I assume if one of them had actually caught a fish they'd have posted its picture. see dave...you were wrong about yellowstoneken. at least he's sticking to his myth. i still can't figure out if he's even been near or seen the place because of the way he constructs his stories about it. i've been to fawn lake and it's no weedbed. go look at the pictures i posted and choc posted on abpf. it's spring fed. it doesn't dry up. there were no weeds growing anywhere above the bottom we saw along the lake shoreline or anywhere above the entire water surface. it was deep, with a severe dropoff in the bottom about 10-20 feet from shore. it has fish in it. craig matthews and steve h. of blue ribbon fly shop in west yellowstone, as well as the gardiner flyshop owner (parks?) who wrote a book containing info on the lake (and who fortenberry essentially called a liar) agree there are big brook trout caught in the lake. yellowstone's regs limit the brook trout catch in the lake ...acknowledging its fishy-ness. charlie and joe didn't carry their rods. warren and i did and we fished the lake briefly from one spot where a fish was rising consistently. we didn't catch a fish there, but we saw them rising around the lake. i'm unsure if ken is making the ridiculous claim that our failure to catch a fish during our brief attempt meant it was a bad fishing venue. if so, i know several excellent western fishermen who fished quake lake for hours without any success. i doubt ken's logic would prevail about that lake any better than it does fawn lake. warren saw several big fish...he said 16-18+ inches... in front of him in fawn lake. i saw a smaller one leap from the water after a damselfly, in fawn lake. we all saw the rises - dimpling and splashing. i've seen the lake. i've seen the fish. it's a pretty place. its apparently suitable for a family camping experience as we saw man, wife, and child coming out with full packs, presumably from a camping trip in the area, as well as a bunch of horses and 5 tents in the meadow campground. it's fortenberry that's the joke. but, then, most folks knew that before i ever took the first step on the hike to fawn lake. i guess i just wanted conclusive proof. fawn lake did it for me. what's going on now just solidifies and corroborates the direct evidence. jeff jeff |
Jeff Miller wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: ... Fawn Lake: I believe Forty was at Fawn Lake but didn't want to advertise it as a great place to fish. Everyone knows there's a Fawn Lake; he just didn't want it to get very much attention. ... Well, you're half right. I was there, but it's not a great place to fish, it's not even a good place to fish. Fawn Weedbed is a 2 hour hike from the nearest trailhead. Of all the fishing destinations in Yellowstone Park that require a 2 hour hike it is so far down the list of good fishing destinations that no one in their right mind would ever recommend it. And if they do recommend it, on roff, *and* they're a top-poster, well ... But the joke's on them, Choc & Jeffie hiked all the way up there and the three pix Choc posted to abpf didn't contain a single solitary fish. I assume if one of them had actually caught a fish they'd have posted its picture. see dave...you were wrong about yellowstoneken. at least he's sticking to his myth. i still can't figure out if he's even been near or seen the place because of the way he constructs his stories about it. i've been to fawn lake and it's no weedbed. go look at the pictures i posted and choc posted on abpf. it's spring fed. it doesn't dry up. there were no weeds growing anywhere above the bottom we saw along the lake shoreline or anywhere above the entire water surface. it was deep, with a severe dropoff in the bottom about 10-20 feet from shore. it has fish in it. craig matthews and steve h. of blue ribbon fly shop in west yellowstone, as well as the gardiner flyshop owner (parks?) who wrote a book containing info on the lake (and who fortenberry essentially called a liar) agree there are big brook trout caught in the lake. yellowstone's regs limit the brook trout catch in the lake ...acknowledging its fishy-ness. charlie and joe didn't carry their rods. warren and i did and we fished the lake briefly from one spot where a fish was rising consistently. we didn't catch a fish there, but we saw them rising around the lake. i'm unsure if ken is making the ridiculous claim that our failure to catch a fish during our brief attempt meant it was a bad fishing venue. if so, i know several excellent western fishermen who fished quake lake for hours without any success. i doubt ken's logic would prevail about that lake any better than it does fawn lake. warren saw several big fish...he said 16-18+ inches... in front of him in fawn lake. i saw a smaller one leap from the water after a damselfly, in fawn lake. we all saw the rises - dimpling and splashing. i've seen the lake. i've seen the fish. it's a pretty place. its apparently suitable for a family camping experience as we saw man, wife, and child coming out with full packs, presumably from a camping trip in the area, as well as a bunch of horses and 5 tents in the meadow campground. it's fortenberry that's the joke. but, then, most folks knew that before i ever took the first step on the hike to fawn lake. i guess i just wanted conclusive proof. fawn lake did it for me. what's going on now just solidifies and corroborates the direct evidence. jeff jeff If y'don't mind, could you tell me what abpf stands for? I found an "alt.binaries.pictures.fly" out there, but that newsgroup was empty so far as I could tell. Karl S. |
Jeff Miller wrote:
it's fortenberry that's the joke. but, then, most folks knew that before i ever took the first step on the hike to fawn lake. i guess i just wanted conclusive proof. fawn lake did it for me. what's going on now just solidifies and corroborates the direct evidence. I suppose Yellowstone Kenny doesn't enjoy being a laughingstock, but he richly deserves it. Good one, Jeff. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
Willi wrote:
Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg and Ken would still come up with something. It's enough to frazzle your ass........... Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. And of all the fishing destinations two hours away from the trailhead that one could recommend to someone, Fawn Weedbed would rank amongst the stupidest of recommendations. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:06:38 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Willi wrote: Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg and Ken would still come up with something. It's enough to frazzle your ass........... Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
none wrote:
If y'don't mind, could you tell me what abpf stands for? I found an "alt.binaries.pictures.fly" out there, but that newsgroup was empty so far as I could tell. alt.binaries.pictures.fishing -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
@(none)" ""karls\"@(none) wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote: i've been to fawn lake and it's no weedbed. go look at the pictures i posted and choc posted on abpf. If y'don't mind, could you tell me what abpf stands for? http://css.sbcma.com/timj/acronyms/ -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
Kevin Vang wrote:
says... Wasting your time, Charley. You could have caught a fish like this: http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/FawnLake.jpg I'd hike a couple hours to catch fish like that. Sure, but then you'd still have to hike the two hours back, so the question really becomes would you hike four hours for a fish like that. ;-) That fish didn't come from Fawn Weedbed, btw. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. You can believe whatever you want to believe. I know where I was, *EXACTLY* where I was, and I know what I saw with my own two eyes. The only "morphing" is of your own invention. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:30:18 -0500, Kevin Vang wrote:
I'd hike a couple hours to catch fish like that. No hiking involved, Kevin. Try fishing the Rapid River in Maine the first week in June. d;o) |
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:17:16 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. You can believe whatever you want to believe. I know where I was, *EXACTLY* where I was, and I know what I saw with my own two eyes. The only "morphing" is of your own invention. Sure. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:17:16 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. You can believe whatever you want to believe. I know where I was, *EXACTLY* where I was, and I know what I saw with my own two eyes. The only "morphing" is of your own invention. Sure. I was just thinking, I never said I saw anything from the trail. I really don't remember whether I did or not, but you, on the other hand, claim to have come up the trail from the Mammoth side but saw the lake from the trail on the Fawn Pass side. And you say *I* was lost ? Uh huh. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Ken Wrote:
"I was just thinking, I never said I saw anything from the trail. I really don't remember whether I did or not, but you, on the other hand, claim to have come up the trail from the Mammoth side but saw the lake from the trail on the Fawn Pass side. And you say *I* was lost ? " Man, all this spin is making me dizzy! bruce h |
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . .. Charlie Choc wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:17:16 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. You can believe whatever you want to believe. I know where I was, *EXACTLY* where I was, and I know what I saw with my own two eyes. The only "morphing" is of your own invention. Sure. I was just thinking, I never said I saw anything from the trail. I really don't remember whether I did or not... "I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind." Wolfgang it just keeps getting funnier and funnier. |
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:12:25 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:17:16 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Yeah, that's hilarious. I hiked down to look at Fawn Weedbed because I'd read about it. It was 5 acres of "lake" covered in 4.995 acres of weeds. It's been mildly interesting to see your story morph, but only barely. I don't for a minute believe you were ever there, and your descriptions of what you 'saw' just prove it. You can believe whatever you want to believe. I know where I was, *EXACTLY* where I was, and I know what I saw with my own two eyes. The only "morphing" is of your own invention. Sure. I was just thinking, I never said I saw anything from the trail. What about he Charlie Choc wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: You know, I'm not the world's best at map & compass but I *can* find a five acre weedbed that's marked on the topo. That I did so while just passing by doesn't mean I wasn't there. If you were passing by on the trail and saw it it does mean you weren't there (the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well past it up into Fawn Pass). I was coming from Fawn Pass and headed toward beer after a week in the backcountry. I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind. I really don't remember whether I did or not, but you, on the other hand, claim to have come up the trail from the Mammoth side but saw the lake from the trail on the Fawn Pass side. And you say *I* was lost ? I didn't saw we saw the lake from the trail, I just said the lake isn't visible from the trail until you are well up into Fawn Pass. A couple and their boy hiking down from the pass told us that. We went south of the trail after we crossed the Gardner and Fawn Creek and went past the weed bed left by the old beaver pond - which is probably what you saw, if anything, while you were lost. Uh huh. Yep. BTW, you don't hike down to the lake from the trail as you claimed, you hike up over a hill ("you" not meaning you personally, of course, since 'you' obviously weren't at Fawn Lake). -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
I didn't saw we saw the lake from the trail, ... I didn't either, just that I was coming from the opposite direction from what you assumed. ... We went south of the trail after we crossed the Gardner and Fawn Creek and went past the weed bed left by the old beaver pond - which is probably what you saw, if anything, while you were lost. Sure. -- Ken Fortenberry |
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:38:15 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: I didn't saw we saw the lake from the trail, ... I didn't either, just that I was coming from the opposite direction from what you assumed. Bull****. You said "I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind". -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: I didn't saw we saw the lake from the trail, ... I didn't either, just that I was coming from the opposite direction from what you assumed. Bull****. You said "I was in a hurry, but I wasn't blind". Oh bull**** yourself, I didn't say I saw a lake from the trail. I meant that I took a hurried look and I saw weeds not that I saw something from the trail. If it's visible from Fawn Pass I may have seen it from the trail but I don't remember one way or the other. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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