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How fishes see the color?
I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the
fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix |
Vittorix wrote:
I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? Check out "What fish see" & "Knowing Bass" , both get pretty in depth into the vision of fish. "What fish see" is based more on Salmon and Steelhead on the west coast , btu "Knowing Bass" is as the title suggests, written from a Biologist at Pure FIshing (Berkley). I have read them both a couple times. Very in depth, and scientific. Chris |
Chris Rennert wrote:
I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? Check out "What fish see" & "Knowing Bass" , both get pretty in depth into the vision of fish. "What fish see" is based more on Salmon and Steelhead on the west coast , btu "Knowing Bass" is as the title suggests, written from a Biologist at Pure FIshing (Berkley). I have read them both a couple times. Very in depth, and scientific. so, tell us: what conclusion they arrive to? -- ciao Vittorix |
Vittorix wrote:
Chris Rennert wrote: I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? Check out "What fish see" & "Knowing Bass" , both get pretty in depth into the vision of fish. "What fish see" is based more on Salmon and Steelhead on the west coast , btu "Knowing Bass" is as the title suggests, written from a Biologist at Pure FIshing (Berkley). I have read them both a couple times. Very in depth, and scientific. so, tell us: what conclusion they arrive to? IN a nutshell, Bass are very sensitive to certain colors, and not as sensitive to others. Some colors they conclude they can determine different shades of the same color, while other colors blend in and are either just light or dark contrasts. Chris |
Chris Rennert wrote:
I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? Check out "What fish see" & "Knowing Bass" , both get pretty in depth into the vision of fish. "What fish see" is based more on Salmon and Steelhead on the west coast , btu "Knowing Bass" is as the title suggests, written from a Biologist at Pure FIshing (Berkley). I have read them both a couple times. Very in depth, and scientific. so, tell us: what conclusion they arrive to? IN a nutshell, Bass are very sensitive to certain colors, and not as sensitive to others. Some colors they conclude they can determine different shades of the same color, while other colors blend in and are either just light or dark contrasts. good. so which are the colors they are more sensitive to? isn't there a scale? -- ciao Vittorix |
From: "Vittorix"
| | good. so which are the colors they are more sensitive to? | isn't there a scale? | | -- | ciao | Vittorix | Red ! The colour of blood is seen by most fish and can invoke a reaction. However, the tone variation may make a difference. I find that Blue Fish and Striped Bass have good sight and that's why I don't use black or steel coloured leaders. I find a camouflaged leader works much better. Besides the weight issue, the transition between red, clear and green helps the leader material to not be see by blending into the background. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
Vittorix, you asked for a rigorous study. Two were suggested to you; yet you
asked for the conclusions rather than go find the studies yourself. That being the case, I won't refer you to other studies (there are a few more that I've come across), but will just summarize. Yes... there are a few rigorous studies. Plenty of room for more, if you're into that. Yes... colors make a difference to fish... and to your fishing success. Yes... colors have to first catch the fisherman before they will catch the fish. So there are more color options, patterns, and fancy decal jobs than are essential to catch fish. But make no mistake... most anglers choose their equipment (boat, rods, clothing, lures, etc.) for both the esthetics as well as the performance. Both contribute to their enjoyment of the sport. If you're interested. go to our archive site, http://rofb.net, and type "color mean anything" in the Google search. Then read the first article... a string started by Craig Baugher, with worthwhile contributions by a number of regulars. -- Joe Haubenreich Secret Weapon Lures Web: secretweaponlures.com --------------------------------------- Better designs... better lures.... better results ---------------------------------------~ 0"))) "Vittorix" wrote in message ... I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix |
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
Vittorix, you asked for a rigorous study. Two were suggested to you; yet you asked for the conclusions rather than go find the studies yourself. That being the case, I won't refer you to other studies (there are a few more that I've come across), but will just summarize. Yes... there are a few rigorous studies. Plenty of room for more, if you're into that. Yes... colors make a difference to fish... and to your fishing success. Yes... colors have to first catch the fisherman before they will catch the fish. So there are more color options, patterns, and fancy decal jobs than are essential to catch fish. But make no mistake... most anglers choose their equipment (boat, rods, clothing, lures, etc.) for both the esthetics as well as the performance. Both contribute to their enjoyment of the sport. If you're interested. go to our archive site, http://rofb.net, and type "color mean anything" in the Google search. Then read the first article... a string started by Craig Baugher, with worthwhile contributions by a number of regulars. Thanks Joe, I didn't want to say it, but I was thinking the same thing. Chris |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. |
"Dr Epstein" wrote in message
news:a0OFe.24$PX4.11@trndny08... "Vittorix" wrote in message ... I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Yup. The Color-C-Lector or something like that. They have a new digital version available. -- Bob La Londe http://www.YumaBassMan.com |
not if it helps pepole in the end.
Richard G. |
"mick" wrote in message ... Hallo Do you know where the best BASS is found on the south coast please. The south coast of what? -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
Dr Epstein wrote:
Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Sure. And I also remember when Dick Sternberg of the old Hunting & Fishing Library line up 7 of them next to each other and got 6 different colors. |
"RichZ" wrote in message ... Dr Epstein wrote: Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Sure. And I also remember when Dick Sternberg of the old Hunting & Fishing Library line up 7 of them next to each other and got 6 different colors. Ha! I knew that thing didn't work! |
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Dr Epstein" wrote in message news:a0OFe.24$PX4.11@trndny08... "Vittorix" wrote in message ... I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Yup. The Color-C-Lector or something like that. They have a new digital version available. Wow...a digital version of something that didn't work when it was analog. Or maybe it works now? |
David H. Lipman wrote:
good. so which are the colors they are more sensitive to? isn't there a scale? Red ! The colour of blood is seen by most fish and can invoke a reaction. did you read studies about this or are your conclusions? Besides the weight issue, the transition between red, clear and green helps the leader material to not be see by blending into the background. which transition of the leader? sorry I didn't understand -- ciao Vittorix |
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
Vittorix, you asked for a rigorous study. Two were suggested to you; yet you asked for the conclusions rather than go find the studies yourself. I tried to find them but I couldn't! If you're interested. go to our archive site, http://rofb.net, and type "color mean anything" in the Google search. Then read the first article... a string started by Craig Baugher, with worthwhile contributions by a number of regulars. this is interesting, I'm reading it. thanks for the answer. -- ciao Vittorix |
mick wrote:
Do you know where the best BASS is found on the south coast please. I can tell you best bass in the south coast of Italy :) -- ciao Vittorix |
Some of these answers should put the question to rest. The answer is YES
fish see color and respond to them. http://www.pressrepublican.com/outdo...262002out1.htm http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/lure.html On the other hand... http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/faq/fishfaq1c.html |
Vittorix wrote:
If you're interested. go to our archive site, http://rofb.net, and type "color mean anything" in the Google search. Then read the first article... a string started by Craig Baugher, with worthwhile contributions by a number of regulars. http://snipurl.com/fishingcolors that's incredible, fishermen affirm all and the opposite of all. they don't agree, and colors seems to be entirely important and entirely meaningless at the same time. It's confusing! -- ciao Vittorix |
Jeff wrote:
Some of these answers should put the question to rest. The answer is YES fish see color and respond to them. http://www.pressrepublican.com/outdo...262002out1.htm http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/lure.html On the other hand... http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/faq/fishfaq1c.html very, very interesting! thanks -- ciao Vittorix |
"Dr Epstein" wrote in message news:oq6Ge.1970$QX2.884@trndny01... "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Dr Epstein" wrote in message news:a0OFe.24$PX4.11@trndny08... "Vittorix" wrote in message ... I have the suspect that all these colors in the baits attract more the fisherman that the fish :) Is there a rigorous study about how different fishes see and react the colors? -- ciao Vittorix Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Yup. The Color-C-Lector or something like that. They have a new digital version available. Wow...a digital version of something that didn't work when it was analog. Or maybe it works now? What!?!?! You mean you aren't going to run right out and buy one? -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
... Jeff wrote: Some of these answers should put the question to rest. The answer is YES fish see color and respond to them. http://www.pressrepublican.com/outdo...262002out1.htm http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/lure.html On the other hand... http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/faq/fishfaq1c.html very, very interesting! thanks Here is a freebie. http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/lure.html First result on a Yahoo search. Nope I won't read it and summarize it for you. LOL. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
From: "Vittorix"
| David H. Lipman wrote: | good. so which are the colors they are more sensitive to? isn't there a scale? | Red ! The colour of blood is seen by most fish and can invoke a reaction. | | did you read studies about this or are your conclusions? | Besides the weight issue, the transition between red, clear and green helps the leader material to not be see by blending into the background. | | which transition of the leader? sorry I didn't understand | | -- | ciao | Vittorix | I read it when I studied ichthyology. In my mentioning of the leader, the transition is in the colouration of the leader as a function of legth. A one foot section of leader will not be monochrome but will transit, with variation in tone, from clear red to clear blue to clear green. A classic camouflage technique. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
"Dr Epstein" wrote in message
news:Aj6Ge.3365$_u5.1730@trndny03... "RichZ" wrote in message ... Dr Epstein wrote: Does anyone besides me remeber a color-meter gadget that was sold about 20 years ago? You rolled the cable down into the water and a gauge told you the best color lure to use. Sure. And I also remember when Dick Sternberg of the old Hunting & Fishing Library line up 7 of them next to each other and got 6 different colors. Ha! I knew that thing didn't work! Not knowing the principal of how it determines which colors to use I'd have to say the comparisons show a pretty bad discrepancy, but the idea may be sound. Its pretty well known that some conditions seem to work better with certain colors. Its also known that there are lots of exceptions. I know there are devices that can pretty accurately determine a color. Like a spectrophotometer used in a paint store to color match from an existing color sample. I suppose some variety of that principle might be applied in the field to determine which colors are most visible and recognizable from a known color sample. i.e. Red looks black. Nope. White looks gray. Nope. Blue looks blue. Maybe. Violet looks vividly violet. Yep. Something along those lines. I do have a problem with the idea that it can be done cost effectively with the relatively low price and low production numbers we see with this product. The spectrophotometer we had when I worked in the paint store was thousands of dollars and weighed a lot more than I would want to have to lift in and out of the storage compartment on my boat. LOL. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: First result on a Yahoo search. Blow La Blonde And you told me not to be insulting. ROFLMAO (even more) Oh, man it hurts to laugh this hard. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
David H. Lipman wrote:
I read it when I studied ichthyology. nice. I don't know every fish has the same sensibility to colors, it would be interesting a diagram, a scale In my mentioning of the leader, the transition is in the colouration of the leader as a function of legth. A one foot section of leader will not be monochrome but will transit, with variation in tone, from clear red to clear blue to clear green. A classic camouflage technique. I didn't have any idea, thanks. how far from the bait this transiction is put? -- ciao Vittorix |
Bob La Londe wrote:
First result on a Yahoo search. Blow La Blonde And you told me not to be insulting. ROFLMAO (even more) Oh, man it hurts to laugh this hard. you started it, and now for all the rest of your life until your death you will know and you will repeat in your mind who you a Blow La Blonde. -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
... Bob La Londe wrote: First result on a Yahoo search. Blow La Blonde And you told me not to be insulting. ROFLMAO (even more) Oh, man it hurts to laugh this hard. you started it, and now for all the rest of your life until your death you will know and you will repeat in your mind who you a Blow La Blonde. Oh, man you are too funny. I'm sure you mean to be hurtful and insulting, but that's just funny. LOL. You can make insults and demand to be hand fed knowledge, but you just don't get it. Oh, man my ribs hurt from laughing. Go read ROFF by the way. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
... "Vittorix" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: First result on a Yahoo search. Blow La Blonde And you told me not to be insulting. ROFLMAO (even more) Oh, man it hurts to laugh this hard. you started it, and now for all the rest of your life until your death you will know and you will repeat in your mind who you a Blow La Blonde. Oh, man you are too funny. I'm sure you mean to be hurtful and insulting, but that's just funny. LOL. You can make insults and demand to be hand fed knowledge, but you just don't get it. Oh, man my ribs hurt from laughing. Go read ROFF by the way. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com Almost forgot. In answer to your other question. Yes there is a free server that carries ABPF. (actually a ten dollar sign up fee, but then free there after) No they aren't very good. After this you think I'm likely to tell you which one it is. LOL. O.K. I'll tell you anyway. LOL. http://www.teranews.com/ It has a lot of down time, it doesn't have a very complete very complete posts, and it has a short retention time, but you asked for free. LOL -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... you are not funny instead, you are boring, Blow La Blonde. that's the reason I won't reply you anymore, also to respect others newsgroup's people Is that a promise? -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Bob La Londe wrote:
First result on a Yahoo search. Blow La Blonde And you told me not to be insulting. ROFLMAO (even more) Oh, man it hurts to laugh this hard. you started it, and now for all the rest of your life until your death you will know and you will repeat in your mind who you a Blow La Blonde. Oh, man you are too funny. I'm sure you mean to be hurtful and insulting, but that's just funny. LOL. You can make insults and demand to be hand fed knowledge, but you just don't get it. Oh, man my ribs hurt from laughing. you are not funny instead, you are boring, Blow La Blonde. that's the reason I won't reply you anymore, also to respect others newsgroup's people -- ciao Vittorix |
Bob La Londe wrote:
O.K. I'll tell you anyway. LOL. http://www.teranews.com/ It has a lot of down time, it doesn't have a very complete very complete posts, and it has a short retention time, but you asked for free. LOL "$3.95 setup fee accounts" it's not free. I wanna a free one -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
I wanna a free one Yeah, but we already knew that. LOL. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Bob La Londe wrote:
I wanna a free one Yeah, but we already knew that. LOL. I'm cheap. so what? :) -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
... Bob La Londe wrote: I wanna a free one Yeah, but we already knew that. LOL. I'm cheap. so what? :) I have been having fun at your expense, but seriously. That's about the best deal for "free" Usenet I have found that includes binary groups. There is a completely free Usenet provider out of Denmark that I have an account with that is totally free and is much more reliable, but they do not carry binaries. 3.95 setup for a lifetime account (if you don't get kicked off for poor netiquette or spamming) is a pretty good deal. I use the news server provided by my ISP, but I have accounts on four or five Usenet servers. The only free or nearly free one I know of that carries binaries is Tera-News. Sorry, there is cheap and just plain cheap. (I've been doing this for a long time) Who is your ISP by the way. Yeah I should practice what I preach and just look it up myself in the headers to your posts. LOL. Don't they provide a Usenet server? I know AOHELL was planning to drop their Usenet service, and one of our AOHELL resident trolls disappeared shortly thereafter. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
From: "Vittorix"
| | I didn't have any idea, thanks. | how far from the bait this transiction is put? | | -- | ciao | Vittorix | The leader goes between the main fishing line and the lure. The leader is always heavier test than the line. For example I use 40lb. test leader on a pole with 17lb. test (Stren). The length of the leader is a funtion of the pole length and the weight of the lure. When I use a 2 ~ 2.25oz. spoon (Krocodile or Gator) on a 12' surf rod I make the leader approx. 30 ~ 36 inches. I'll use a barrel swivel to tie between the leader and the main line (17lb. Stren) and a snap on the leader to connect to the lure. The leader has to loop knots, one on each end where one is slightly larger than the other. The smaller loop goes to the barrel swivel and the larger loop goes to a snap. The main line (17lb. Stren) connects to the barrel swivel via a palomar knot. The above can be scaled down for fresh water easily. For example, 6 inches to 12 inches of 12 ~ 15lb. leader material, smaller snap and barrel swivel on a pole using 4 ~ 6lb. test. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
Bob La Londe wrote:
Who is your ISP by the way. Yeah I should practice what I preach and just look it up myself in the headers to your posts. ehehehe. you should, BLB LOL. Don't they provide a Usenet server? SBC, I checked out their server and I found alt.binaries.pictures.fishing thanks, you are not completely useless man I know AOHELL was planning to drop their Usenet service, and one of our AOHELL resident trolls disappeared shortly thereafter. AOHELL sucks, I patiently remove it from any computer in which I found it -- ciao Vittorix |
David H. Lipman wrote:
I didn't have any idea, thanks. how far from the bait this transiction is put? The leader goes between the main fishing line and the lure. The leader is always heavier test than the line. For example I use 40lb. test leader on a pole with 17lb. test (Stren). The length of the leader is a funtion of the pole length and the weight of the lure. When I use a 2 ~ 2.25oz. spoon (Krocodile or Gator) on a 12' surf rod I make the leader approx. 30 ~ 36 inches. I'll use a barrel swivel to tie between the leader and the main line (17lb. Stren) and a snap on the leader to connect to the lure. The leader has to loop knots, one on each end where one is slightly larger than the other. The smaller loop goes to the barrel swivel and the larger loop goes to a snap. The main line (17lb. Stren) connects to the barrel swivel via a palomar knot. interesting. in Italy and in all surf casting fishing and in Long Casting tournaments we use also a strong line (about 0.60/0.80mm diameter) and we call "shock leader" to connect the main line (0.20/0.35mm diameter) to the rig set with big leads (3/6oz), you can see a sample here http://www.pescainmare.com/newfoto/paternoster.JPG but our shock leader is about 1,5 times the lenght of the road (usually 13') and the purpose is to receive the sudden and violent traction of a ground or pendulum cast. so, that I can't understand of your leader use is the purpose, being so short. -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
... Bob La Londe wrote: Who is your ISP by the way. Yeah I should practice what I preach and just look it up myself in the headers to your posts. ehehehe. you should, BLB Please don't use abbreviations that not everybody will understand. Its very rude. LOL. Don't they provide a Usenet server? SBC, I checked out their server and I found alt.binaries.pictures.fishing thanks, you are not completely useless man Neither are you. You have provided me with a great deal of entertainment with your laughable (at best) attempts to be rude and insulting. If you have any other uses I am sure you will expound upon and their virtues as soon as you discover them. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
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